(01-20-2018 06:10 PM)Zerdame Wrote: This is a great data sheet on one of the most misunderstood parts of the world,
How would you gentlemen see me faring in Iran? I’m an East Asian looking(read: Korean/Japan/China), 5’6 (173cm), decently built. I do not speak any Farsi.
Are girls going to be interested or at least curious about an East Asian looking guy? I really doubt they get much tourists from Japan/Korea/China, East Asians still believe things they read on the media unfortunately
Really not trying to be rude here, I swear, but, are you joking or serious?
If you're serious I think you should just avoid Iran if you're after girls. You will almost literally be the last "type" of guy they will want. I put type in quotations because you made the question mainly in terms of race/body type.
Yes, there are very few tourists in Iran, even Tehran and the tourist cities, compared to much of the world. The trouble is the few that actually go there are generally white Europeans and Chinese/East Asian businessmen.
Iran is a close ally of China (relatively speaking) and like everyone else is buying a bunch of their shit from East Asia (more so even than many other places because they have troubles with the West and Iran doesn't really produce anything of it's own that anyone wants unless they are that broke).
Despite what other guys are saying, English is NOT well spoken in Iran. Iranians in general LOVE America (with obvious big exceptions in the population), and are very into American media products (movies, music, etc.). Many, if not most, of the young people are trying to varying extents to learn English and want to do so badly. This has not translated into effective English capabilities. There is a certain segment of the population that speaks English pretty damn well, but they are generally the rich and/or highly educated group and are in a sense elite.
Not saying you can't break into that group as Naughty Nomad has hinted at (he never explicitly said it so I'm not trying to call him out and I would imagine his tactic of using social media to set up ties and his potential popularity greatly helped him along), but that would even be out of the realm of a guy like me that is good looking, looks Lebanese (a lot of Iranian girls are wet for Arab guys), is tall and was well built at the time (6'2'' and 235 lbs, generally muscular not 3% body fat and all muscle), speaks fluent Farsi, and has relatives and places to stay all over.
Based on your big three question groups in that post, race, body size/type, and lack of language skills I'd say you'd be at or near dead last in terms of what they are looking for.
Just as in China or Korea where the new generations have gotten taller, Iranians have gotten taller. There are still tons of guys walking around at your height, 5'6''ish, but go to a region like that where my mom is from. I'm one of the shorter cousins, and I'm 6'2''. We have an 18 year old that is over 7 feet tall. My uncle, who was born in the 1950's before this whole jump in height thing due to nutrition or whatever it is was 6'6'' when he died. We aren't the tallest region. Again, yes, there are tons of shorter guys, but there are also many average and even way above average heights. Women in Iran, like everywhere, generally prefer taller men. You will be about the height of many of the girls, although certainly not all. My aunt is 6 ft even ffs
The racial thing I have talked about either in this thread or my datasheet on Iranian girls. Girls in Iran, in my experience, are different than girls in America or abroad (can only speak of America and things I've heard about Europe although I generally understand the Persian girl psyche about these things).
The girls abroad, although they certainly sleep around and many date and marry outside of the nationality, are or at some point will mainly move toward Persian men. They talk about this and that other race, but their actions are totally geared at getting Persian guys. This includes girls born and raised in Iran that come here as adults or whatever. Generally their dating/sexual trajectory is maybe date certain races/groups (I'll name them shortly) for a while, but go back to Persian guys eventually. The running joke and what many people think is they want to have sexual fun and satisfaction for a while and then go back to find a "Persian douchebag prince". While there certainly is an element of being rebellious with some of these Persian girls and some of them permanently date outside of Iranian guys, the psychology is different than what many people think.
The reality is they, ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY girls actually born and raised in Iran or the ones that are still there, have fantasies and ideas about men of other races that don't pan out in reality. I'll give you one of the not so prevalent ones, meaning very low amount of fantasies about this, and you can decide how effective it is. The Latin guy is a great dancer thing. Yeah, I'm sure there are tons of great Latino dancers and most women, if not all, like a guy that can dance. But most girls in Iran, unless they are OBSESSED with Latin culture and/or dance, do not know much about Salsa, let alone the other more obscure Latin dances. They may have seen a couple of clips of salsa on youtube when they break the government internet filter, and chances are they will never practice it (again, unless they are OBSESSED). I don't even know if you can find 2 Mexican restaurants in Tehran, a city of like 12-17 million people depending on who you ask and the time of day (maybe there are 5 or so Mexican restaurants, I don't know).
So when the girl gets lucky and wins the Visa lottery to come to America or is basically genius level intelligence to make it out here for school or is super rich, she might hit LA. Maybe she is still hot for the Latin Lover stereotype. Maybe she finds one that can dance salsa. She probably can't dance it and doesn't have the drive to become Ms. Salsa Queen. She gives up and he just becomes a guy of a different culture. Wait, you do such and such and you don't know such and such about my culture, uh ok... Time goes on and he's just a boyfriend either out of his individuality or out of her girl hamster sticking around until a better one comes along or whatever. After a while her high maintenance Persian ass (which I love to put up with personally) gets to be too much and the fact that he can speak to the guy making the tacos in his own language becomes less appealing. They break up and unless he left a particularly great impression in her mind, particularly relative to Persian guys in her past, she ends up bumping into a Persian guy through basically her all Persian social circle and they become the high maintenance annoying Persian girl and her Persian douchebag prince couple.
I used the Latin example to give an example that was generally easy to use and would lead to little controversy.
The actual races, not listed in order of preference because it is highly individual an one Persian girl can love on of them and hate or not care about the others or whatever other combination, that Persian girls like outside of Iranian guys are:
1. Arab
2. Black
3. White
I've seen Pakistani guys coming up in the Persian girl game and I've heard talk of the Latino thing, but the top three are the main groups. Pakistani guys I assume are getting it in because they also have big populations abroad, they have the similar Muslim/cultural/language thing going on (yes Urdu is different than Farsi but it is much more related to it than even Arabic aside from the borrowed Arab words in Farsi), and the ones that get with Persian girls from what I've seen seem to be those intense I'm the man of the house types that some girls like.
Latin guys there are the stereotypes, but I don't even recall seeing that many Persian girls with them other than maybe in LA (not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere, just don't see all that many) and LA is what like 50% Latino?
Even Paki and Latino guys, which would probably be the next two groups, are limited.
So the big three races as far as dating outside Iranian men for Persian girls are listed above. I can even link stupid SJW type Iranian American girl websites where they have girl talk articles about these three races. Not that guys from these races are bad or worse in any way, I mean specifically the way in which they right about these topics is a little too 2015 wanna be feminist.
1. Arab- Lot's of Iranian girl Arab guy things have happened. In that SJW website they write black guys are the forbidden fruit, but Arab guys are the snake. That is mainly the fantasy psychology of Iranian girls with Arab guys. The realistic portion is the culture is relatively similar and Arab guys carry themselves in a masculine manner. I would say this is the top go to for Persian girls outside or Iranian guys, but there are many that only want the other two groups.
As I said, I look Lebanese to most people of all races. The other month I walked up to what I thought was a light skin Latina at a grocery store, and turns out she was Iranian. Seemed to have just come from Iran within the past 2-3 years. When I asked where she was from and she said Iran I started talking in Farsi. She immediately said she thought I was an Arab, and I told her I had just come from an Arab barber jokingly (although it was literally true, still had little hairs on my hand and was just picking up a small thing of spice) and that people always think I'm Arab. She was blushing and obviously excited, but came up with the I'm married thing and I excused myself whether it was truth or lie (I always become hesitant in my hometown when I run into Iranian or some specific Arab groups because they are a small community and I don't want to embarrass my mom, don't care personally). As an example I was dating a girl from a certain Arab country and I happened to approach two other girls from her same country without knowing that's where they were from. After I got the digits and called them some days later my Arab girl would randomly call me less than a minute later and completely bitch me out without mentioning why, which was way out of her character. She had told me about private facebook groups of girls in my city from that specific country. Surprise surprise at the call.
Anyway the Iranian girl I walked away from even though I could have kept pushing, and as I walked away she yelled "jigar". That means liver. A little play thing they say in Iran and Farsi generally between a guy and girl or sometimes between an older lady and a young very cute child is either "jigar" (more reserved for guy/girl flirting) and "jigareto khaum khaum bokhoram", which means I want to eat your liver raw. These things are basically like when I've had girls of other groups say you're so cute/turning me on so much that I want to bite you (although it is more flirtatious and less obvious). It's like I would imagine if a Cuban says "ay que rica" or "oye mami spanish spanish spanish spanish", but it goes both ways between men and women. I just turned back from walking away and froze up a bit, not out of nerves, but because I hadn't spit game in Farsi in a long time (mainly talk to my parents or other old people so the conversation is different) and I said "khodet jigari" or "you're the liver". Makes sense in Farsi, she giggled and I kept it moving.
The point of all that is my look is Arab and my game is tight and I'm a big guy, so I get even more attention from Iranian girls. This was in a grocery store that was predominantly Latino and the next race of the three, black (more black than Latino). She had her pick and probably had been flirted with a lot, but was a tad bit excited by the Arab looking Farsi speaking guy. Oh and there are white areas down the road as well, most likely where she lives (probably goes to that grocery store because while it is on my side, the black/latino side, it is right on the edge and offers the best prices and selection combined with a much more racially mixed clientele than the ones actually near me).
2. Black- In Iran itself there is a big fantasy taboo about black guys. It isn't every girl. I've heard girls tell me that they think blacks should still be slaves and much worse. When I say I'm from Texas and explain the large black population (they think Texas is a desert with white people riding horses and carrying 7 shooters) that sort of thing sometimes comes up. That type of thing is rare though. There were no, or very very few black slaves in Iran, unlike many Arab countries that slaved them from East Africa (as opposed to the West African majorities in the West).
Those minor comments aside, if Iranian girls aren't interested in black guys, they just drop the conversation quick or say I don't like that and change the topic. That being said, there seems to be a large amount of black male obsession (not black people in general, meaning including women). There aren't many black people walking around Iran, and those are mainly African students or few Muslim tourists or whatever. I only saw one group of three young black guys in my three months and that was at the central bazaar in Tehran once. I wouldn't be surprised though if they were on their equivalent journey to Iran as a poosy paradise though based on their look and mannerisms (young, in shape, well dressed, and the mannerisms of guys at least trying to get numbers. Game recognizes game).
So the majority of the black obsession, with the girls that do in fact have it, is based on what they see in Western media. For many if not almost all the only thing they know of black guys is athletics, music, movies, and pornos. That is literally all their exposure aside from if they like politics and the news maybe some Iranian propaganda showing the hood and saying how the black people in America are all treated badly and poor (I'm sure we can agree not every black guy in America is walking 5 miles in the snow to eat out of a garbage can, it is anti-American propaganda similar to what the Castros did in Cuba or the FSU and America has it's own inaccurate media propaganda against Iran that isn't reality).
So basically the conception among some of these girls is Super human athlete that is either incredibly talented at music and/or acting or decided to skip the rap career because he is 6'7'' but didn't make the league because of the government trying to keep him down. This is the fantasy type thing of some girls.
Aside from that there is the reality that some women of all races are particularly into black men for legitimate reasons (like the culture, skin color, body shape, whatever). And the even bigger reality is that they aren't searching out Africans from the bush, they want American or at least Western European black men. It is still somewhat the same as the next group I'm about to get at, white men, but with an added they have a different look aspect. It is an element of I really want out of Iran, and if I so happen to like black guys all the better/I'm in heaven.
If you look at Iranian girls in the West though who in the worst case can sneak around and generally can at least quietly date black guys, they don't go too far with it. There might be love affairs, cheating, or a rebellious phase, but it usually doesn't go too far. I'm sure you could find a handful or maybe even plenty Persian girls committed to black guys, but if anything it is Persian guys dating, marrying, and having kids outside the race and even that is generally not the case.
It is actually the same with white guys as black guys in just about every way (relative to Persian girls that is) except that we can't use the "she has to reject me because I'm black and her family/social circle won't accept that" as easily with whites. Still the same reality though, even though many Iranian parents, like my own, encourage me to get with Whites.
The masculinity aspect of Arab guys also exists here, but with Arab guys it is more of a he "acts and talks like a man" versus the black physical masculinity idea.
3. White- Generally the same as black guys obviously minus the look (different skin color, eye colors, etc. in case this needs to be explained) and minus the wow they are so amazing on TV thing. The so amazing on TV thing occurs with white men as well, but it is of a different form. The history of white imperialism, strong countries where people actually follow laws (unlike Iran), dominance in basically everything for centuries except certain pockets of things (for instance blacks increasingly in the media in the past few decades), and the like. Iranian women are also aware of things like the Dutch being the top two tallest peoples of the world (I think the other is Serbia or some other former Yugoslav nation, right?), their favorite sport is soccer and Germany and other majority white teams do very well (yes I know Latin countries are good too), and every damn chick knows the name Brad Pitt out there. Like I'm pretty sure the name Donald Trump and Brad Pitt aren't too different in terms of percentage of people that know who they are in Iran (particularly the younger people under 35-40). Yeah, almost everyone knows who Trump is if not everyone, but I'd be surprised if at least 50-75% of people under 40 didn't know Brad Pitt, and that is much higher amongst the women.
Aside from that, white guys, particularly from the West and especially America, carry two things with them that Western black guys also carry (by carry I mean in the minds of Iranian women regardless of truth). The two things are first the better life abroad/potential for Greencard/ he probably has more money than my family does if he is from the west thing.
The other major thing, which I forgot to mention about black guys but applies to them as well (maybe not to Arab guys though), is the whole idea that he is more likely to hold the door for me than to beat my ass in front of the kids thing. That is obviously a bit of hyperbole, but it is an idea that Iranian women have to varying degrees of the gentle yet rugged Western man. In reality, yes there is probably more domestic violence in the Middle East than in the West, but I don't think any reasonable person is going to make the claim that no American white or black guys have ever hit a woman. It happens. I won't get into the whole numbers of the thing argument, but it certainly isn't 0% domestic abuse here even though the fantasy/stereotype is almost at the level of "they don't do that sort of thing".
So that's the racial thing. That's the body thing. That's the language thing.
Your connections and game will trump everything regardless of your race and shape and even language skills (the only thing you can 100% change of the three).
If you are serious about even considering Iran learn the language, get your game up (game is slightly different there, but there are still universal things between men and women everywhere), and make connections.
Otherwise I hate to break it to you, but as far as I can tell you are basically at the end of the line in just about every regard except that you seem to know English and are from the West. In that case you are more of a greencard than anything if you don't have the game and other things.
Keep in mind though that there is an Asian fetish amongst certain women all over the world, just as there is one for whites, blacks, latinos, mid easterners, and even desis and everyone else.
It is just that the Asian fetish is probably one of the least prevalent ones and I would imagine takes more of the shape of he will make a good life partner and father. This might translate into great lover as well depending on the girl and how a particular Asian guy plays it because the underlying psychology is he will be there for me and be very attentive in and out of the bedroom.
That being said, even the relatively small Asian fetish is more based on culture and attitude (closely related to game) than anything else. I'll just cut this short, but just like anywhere else that isn't particularly Asian they aren't dropping the panties by the thousands for the Asian lover stereotype they've seen on TV and been dreaming about. Iranian women if anything are ignorantly racist more than a lot of other places.
I don't mean racist which is ignorant in itself, I mean ignorantly racist (talking more about Iranian women in Iran then even those in the West, who by virtue of higher status, more opportunity, and actually seeing other peoples/races begin to see the truth and are still ignorant)
In their mind (and I'm obviously exaggerating to a certain extent):
The white guy is either Brad Pitt or at very best a computer nerd Dilbert. There is little conception of the possibility of a white guy like Bill Clinton not having a father and being mainly raised by his grandparents in broke ass Arkansas and making it all the way. It is ignorant fantasy of a charmed life for white men and dollars being picked out of trees. There is no such thing as an abusive white man and the idea of actually being able to drink legally doesn't form a link in their mind of the alcoholic white dad that beats the fuck out of his kids and wife (not saying this is common, just giving an extreme example of misconceptions).
The black guy either deserves to be in chains because of his ugly skin and mannerisms or he dunks from the three point line on his way to save the children of Rwanda after his sold out concert where he advised Obama backstage about detente while Obama was president. There is little conception of the regular black guy that works his 9-5 in an office and lives a normal life whether that be surrounding himself with his fellow race outside of work or white, latin, or whatever other race.
The Arab guy isn't basically the same shit as the Persian guy except that his language group invented the religion that most Iranian youths, and particularly young women, are increasingly growing to despise (Islam). There is little image of the lazy dude eating hummus all day in a country that can't produce a gold medal or over a dozen of them can't get together and slap Israel around a bit. The fantasy is ooo they come from the desert and have tough manly genetics, isn't it obvious by the fact that his voice squeaks when he talks yet when he says the word Arab it gets incredibly deep randomly?
Basically this is a very politically incorrect country (most of the jokes in Iran, and I'm talking famous stand up comedians that I even find funny as an American, are based on stereotypes of the different Iranian regions/ethnicities). Combine that with a lack of tourism and a closed government (most of the internet you can only access illegally, although it is common, and they raid building rooftop's regularly to remove satellites that get Western channels), and you have people living in a fantasy world of sorts.
Don't get me wrong, Iranians are still human, there are many intelligent people, and as others have said they are very warm and excited to talk to foreigners (especially Americans and Europeans). They aren't a hateful people, but they are ignorant in many ways, not necessarily in the sense that they are bad, but ignorant in the sense that they don't actually know the reality of life abroad and how other peoples really are.
One typical example of what I hear all the time from guys in Iran who have never been out of the country and probably never met a single or maybe one foreigner in their lives. They look around Iran and see guys approaching women non stop all fucking day. The typical comment:
"Bruh if I was in America I'd have slept with like 2,000 women by now (at like age 28 or whatever". I translated it not literally, but basically how they say those things if it were an American.
Yes, part of this is false bravado and bullshit, but they to a VERY LARGE degree believe the panties come off in seconds in America. Like I've explained many times that American girls, even fucking Scandinavian broads, are not sleeping with guys pretty much on every first date just because you can buy them a fucking shirley temple here. I've explained that they are still women, and even with tremendous game sometimes a guy will just fail, and sometimes he will get it but it will take time.
Their answer is generally along the lines of, no you just suck, put me out there and I'll show you a different girl every day.
This isn't just cocky I'm better than you shit, although it is to an extent, it is more an actual ignorant belief that because society is free (freer let's say, not a topic they understand either), that it is a nonstop booze fueled sex orgy.
Because the Islamic Republic makes women wear hijabs and puts down potential widespread rebellions, there is no such thing as innocent people (of all races) being shot to death by police openly in the middle of the day and caught on tape and still getting off in America. The people who actually believe these things (about issues in America itself) are mainly the particularly intelligent and open minded people or else stupid ignorant fucks that yell death to America. The friendly and warm people that will walk up to you and talk to you because you are foreign are more likely to believe something closer to news of these police killings and what not are somewhat or largely Iranian propaganda or exaggeration against America.
When the Green Movement riots happened about a decade ago if I remember correctly one girl out of thousands (maybe tens of thousands or more) violent protesters was shot dead by a sniper. I'm not coming out in favor of the Islamic Republic here, but putting myself in their shoes you can't just let people riot in the streets and flee to America for protection when that leads to loss of power if you get what I'm saying. They shot one person in the middle of a violent and widespread riot.
How many people were just killed on tape in extra judicial murders by police during peacetime who were totally innocent in America over the last few years. Yeah I get the young guy in Missouri was big and he may have threatened the cop in some way, but I'm pretty sure the pot bellied middle aged man in South Carolina that basically had a whole clip emptied into him after he slowly jogged away from a routine traffic stop and committed no actual crime didn't deserve to be shot like 8 times in the back. Maybe just try shooting him 4 times next time Mr. Po Po so you can save your rounds for a child. Keep in mind this is just whats caught on tape and mainly gets out because the victims are black and the cops are white. Look it up, but there are, in terms of total numbers, more police killing of white people in America than black (black percentage is much higher, but total numbers are lower because of the white percentage of the population).
I'm not even trying to be on some political or liberal stuff right now, I just don't like seeing innocent people get murdered by the protect and serve guys, and it is beyond a chuckle when people in Iran think the West is free and safe and women are super easy like having a glass of water in a water/glass producing factory.
That's what I mean by ignorant. Not stupid, just ignorant of reality.
All of that aside, which you may have taken as negativity, my take on things is if you want it go and fucking get it. Stand up like a man and take the risk. I can respect a dude that gets up and fights a bigger and better fighting guy because the guy was crossing the line but ends up knocked out. That's a man.
But if you are surrounded by crazy ass Serbians in the Greek islands and no one is going to help you like the story about the young black guy in the summer, just give it up and walk away. Don't get beaten to death.
Iran for you will be that same sort of thing as far as game. You aren't exactly going to be a favorite based on your race, size, and lack of language skills. You might be treated unfairly as an Asian dweeb even if you are Casanova/Bruce Lee/King Kong Ding Dong.
But I won't be surprised if you have a little charm that a lot of people are friendly toward you and welcoming and may invite you out or possibly even to their homes if you have some game (they are less worried about psycho serial killers than places like America).
I'm just chillin waiting to go on my SEA trip so I have time to write this stuff, but like I said, if you want it go get it. But it won't be like taking candy from a baby unless you got the game, money, and/or connections (and even then it won't be candy from a baby).
My advice for an "East Asian looking guy" that is 5'6'' and doesn't speak Farsi is go to LA or Toronto or wherever else there is a large population of Persians.
Again, not sure if you're clowning and I'm gullible, but the post stands regardless and like I said I'm waiting on this SEA trip. Not even seeing notches I just got for repeat sex when they ask me over.
Good luck to you and a salaam alekom my Asian brother (get on the a salaam alekom tip before you go to Iran too FYI, not for the girls, for the other people that may care).
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. Even then my Farsi is such that I can have the speaker explain very techincal and advanced topics and I will be able to get it. 
