Post: #101

Your new I assume. If unclear about terms just ask. But a data sheet is just a rundown of spots and what to expect. Venues, cities, countries etc.

So yea if you toss out 905 women and DT women. There are none left but hoodlum girls from rexdale.

I always assumed TO natives have it a bit easier since they can run and pillage social circles. I have documented here that Toronto raised women are mostly all whores. The toughest part is finding them or cracking there social units.

Post: #102

Double post

Post: #103

(03-02-2012 06:38 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Living in Toronto is literally bad for your soul.
For a guy who's a newbie at pickup its horrible.

Three weeks in Atlanta really helped me feel better. Got girls literally gaming me. Fuck, but all my Toronto times have made me literally like a deer in the headlights who doesn't know what to do. I don't feel like a value leecher anymore. The women here are actually INTERESTED in me. I feel like a man. In Toronto men are bitches are women have power. To get past that you have to pretend not to care which is hard if you actually do care. You have to be super interesting, alpha, and cocky. Some guys can act those traits but I can't. Its too much pressure and not natural. The only way you stop caring is if you actually have options and girls into you. It creates a paradigm shift where you stop trying so much. Then when I come back to TO I'll care less since I already know I'm attractive and its not my problem if some bitch thinks she's the shit. I know I'm just a short flight away from the DR or Atlanta. Hell, I'll be in Uni in September so I actually don't care.

In Toronto I constantly beat myself up for "bad game" and kept thinking that there was something wrong with me for not getting girls. I lost motivation to game and I constantly thought I was a pussy and kept having self defeating thoughts. I started subconsciously resenting girls and had the resentment build up through constant rejection. All this is starting to dissipate as I actually enjoy interacting with girls and guys in Atlanta. This is good since I'm rebuilding the motivation I had before to barrel through my comfort zone and really improve myself.

Fuck, I'm getting a bit emotional cause I'm on Adderal but I realize how stupid it was for me to beat myself up.

All I know is how to approach and get shut down.

Last night was the first time I even had a legitimate connection with a girl and I truly opened up myself(a girl in a friends dorm). But I was not thinking clearly(If i was I could have seen the signs and found a place to escalate and fuck). All my Toronto day game hasn't helped me at all in being aggressive and just taking the lead and trying to fuck her. If I find time I'll try to get her into my friends dorm because she literally gamed me last night. I'm way too hesitant, as my Moma says just taking knocks doesn't help if you don't know how to punch. I don't know how to punch at all.......I"ve never been intimate with a girl in a non-drunk situation. The reason I didn't do well at all in TO is because I am not extremely aggressive and ballsy. But its impossible to be like that without some foundational confidence from success.

At least my verbal game is decent from all the hours of day game. Just gotta push through my fears and just fuck.

Its not worth the effort to go after Toronto women unless you'er like Gixxer who's good looking and tall and white. I'm fairly good looking and 5"9 but apparently my accent kills attraction in TO(according to coaches). However, in Atlanta some girls like it. Like LITERALLY its mind blowing how by just hanging out with my friend and chilling I have 4-5 prospects for this weekend. We haven't even been approaching much because we have been working on business and hustling.

People in the US are real. The reason I struggle in Toronto is because I don't have a big social circle. Why, because I don't click with the dudes here. I never had problems having high value friends in the US because they were interesting which meant a friendship would naturally develop since I'd feel comfortable around them. In the US people have real personalities and are more extreme while TO dudes are much more guarded. I have been socialized in the US where for some reason people take a liking to me while me and guys in Toronto don't connect.

I can't wait till I go to college, its going to be crazy. But it wont' be in Toronto for sure. The city makes you feel guilty for being a man and approaching girls.

Yes, if I grew up in TO and had friends here I'd fuck a lot. But the thing is you need a social circle here. Girls in Atlanta are friendly everywhere and its easy to make friends(as a young 18 year old guy).

Also I've noticed massive differences in the way I act after 3 weeks with my friend here. I self amuse more and say stupid shit more often. The personalities of people rubs onto you here. Its causing me to act more "alpha" in a natural and not forced manner. Its literally absurd how the guys in TO act, even my friends. I'm being comfortable with just being myself and realizing I don't need to be amazing to get girls. Its how it naturally works. Girls are attracted to guys.

I"m tryign to postphone my ticket back. I need to spend one more week here and fly to DR.

Post: #104

@Kosko: yes i am new, and no i am not a native, i was raised here from kindergarten.

@Torontokid: great post man! totally agree with you, and can relate to many parts of it. I'm not sure who Gixxer is, but i don't have an accent, i'm 6'3, body build, not white (olive complexion, leaning to a spanish look i guess) for whats it worth, although i don't understand what skin color has to do with this, unless its a factor to consider that i wasn't well aware of

I do sometimes get eye contact and attention for women in Toronto, but lately it seems to me that they just wanna know if they can GET THE GUY, once that happens, and their ego is fed, they dip! (happens a lot in clubs). As for social circle, well been through the ones i found attractive, and i refuse to go after my buddies sloppy seconds who i didn't go after originally, not to mention i sometimes need these girls assistance in clubs/bars

There's a limit to what a social circle can do, no matter how large it maybe. However i did try to expand my social circle, but women in this city ALWAYS assume you're trying to hit on them, while in fact i only wanna be friends. Even the chubby/fake blonde/short chicks think that, wtf....

I absolutely agree with you about Toronto guys. I go to a HUGE campus and i've noticed that guys don't even wanna discuss how hot a girl walking by is, or if she has a nice ass or something.
At least a punch on the shoulder to let me know a hot girl is passing by would be appreciated, unfortunately none of the guys i've met/known from school are like that, which is weird.

Post: #105

(03-03-2012 12:54 AM)Perseus Wrote:  @Kosko: yes i am new, and no i am not a native, i was raised here from kindergarten.

@Torontokid: great post man! totally agree with you, and can relate to many parts of it. I'm not sure who Gixxer is, but i don't have an accent, i'm 6'3, body build, not white (olive complexion, leaning to a spanish look i guess) for whats it worth, although i don't understand what skin color has to do with this, unless its a factor to consider that i wasn't well aware of

I do sometimes get eye contact and attention for women in Toronto, but lately it seems to me that they just wanna know if they can GET THE GUY, once that happens, and their ego is fed, they dip! (happens a lot in clubs). As for social circle, well been through the ones i found attractive, and i refuse to go after my buddies sloppy seconds who i didn't go after originally, not to mention i sometimes need these girls assistance in clubs/bars

There's a limit to what a social circle can do, no matter how large it maybe. However i did try to expand my social circle, but women in this city ALWAYS assume you're trying to hit on them, while in fact i only wanna be friends. Even the chubby/fake blonde/short chicks think that, wtf....

I absolutely agree with you about Toronto guys. I go to a HUGE campus and i've noticed that guys don't even wanna discuss how hot a girl walking by is, or if she has a nice ass or something.
At least a punch on the shoulder to let me know a hot girl is passing by would be appreciated, unfortunately none of the guys i've met/known from school are like that, which is weird.

The race thing is just that white dudes usually do well with certain ethnic groups in TO. Lots of undercurrent racial tension too, but its more like the white kids resenting the FOBs. I know because they usually talk to me about it. FOBS on their part don't do much to help their cause by not integrating at all. Since there's a lot of super beta brown kids and asian kids it hurts dudes like me since I do have a slight Indian accent and it lowers my value by association.

Dude its literally insane how my mind is being blown by Atlanta. This black chick who's fairly cute and fuckable just told my friend that I was hot and she wouldn't mind hooking up with me over facebook. Man, that has never happened in TO. Girls just don't' show that much interest. The girls in ATL have game. Now its true its mostly the 6.5s-7s who chase hard but the 6s and 7s in TO think they are cute as hell. It wouldn't be hard to get some 8s and 9s with game(my friend has a bunch of 8s interested in him but ever since he went to DR his standards are sky high and he refuse to fuck them).

Keep in mind he's in a campus which has a low quality of women compared to the rest of ATL(PM me and I can tell you). Me and my buddy also have very little time for finding new prospects since we are mostly focused on business and making cash to finance our lifestyles.

Guys in TO who are players often fuck 4s and 5s during dry spells. I don't have much game other than the ability to talk and some decent looks and I have 7s chasing me here.

By the way I'm 5"9, Indian and fairly good looking. In Toronto I'd occasionally get some attention from girls but I was never chased hard. I did have a couple of prospects that I blew up due to me being stupid but in general I just had 0 success. I meditated every day to stay somewhat confident despite my total lack of success.

Whenever I did cold approach in TO I got very little results(usually day game since I"m 18). Girls aren't open at all to day game and it usually requires really tight game to get anywhere with day game approaches. I'd estimate I probably got 1,500 day game approaches under my belt in Toronto total with nothing other than flaky numbers. Even when I did have a red hot prospect it was so rare that I would fuck it up through bad text or phone game because of neediness.

I probably could have gotten laid in TO from night game when I turned 19 with 1-3 months of going out but it would have been a pain in the ass. Why do that when I could have pussy thrown at me to gain some experience and reference points and then I can back to TO with increased confidence.

Oh and I agree about the dudes in Toronto. Most of them are total suckups. The ones who do get pussy usually have "fake" gangsta swag(especially with high school girls), they just sell an image.

Post: #106

Torontokid i havent seen you on here for a while, you have been less active lately. Do you mind if you throw a datasheet on ATL? Are you currently living there?

Post: #107

(03-03-2012 06:25 AM)pitt Wrote:  Torontokid i havent seen you on here for a while, you have been less active lately. Do you mind if you throw a datasheet on ATL? Are you currently living there?

He's been visiting blackquixote there for the last couple weeks.

Are Canadian guys in general pussies or is it just in Toronto?

Post: #108

New york city is way better. Number one tourist destination = DTF tourist....Come on. the city that never sleeps. Remember only go there between May - November. The winter sucks in NYC and Tornoto.

Post: #109

Ill throw out a datasheet once I leave ATL and have the time to wrte a gpod one.

Post: #110

@Torontokid: hey man i hear ya, Toronto 5s and 6s think they are princesses. As for race thing, i don't really feel it, maybe its just me, also i get indications of interest from a variety of women, maybe a little less from asian and indian girls, i guess they can sense i'm the guy their parents warned them about

Also i'm actually Lebanese, kinda dark, dark hair, and generally don't give a shit. I've never felt any racial discrimination whatsoever, and i doubt anyone would risk saying something racist to a guy the size of a truck lol

But yah i gotta visit your city, and NYC IS AWESOME!! But in Toronto, i don't approach as often as i used to, not to mention, Toronto women in my mind don't hold much value. I just mind my own business, put on a look of "don't even think of getting in my way" and laugh at beta losers kissing Toronto 5s and 6s fat asses

@P DOG: I think its just Toronto, don't know about other parts of Canada. Montreal is filled with guys with decent game, not to mention guys from the states, who honestly are super chill, easy to befriend and actually pick up/wing properly in comparison to majority of dudes in Toronto (based on my last trip to montreal). Keep in mind i met these guys in the line up outside the club, and they had girls with them who were just as friendly!!

However, there are few of us here in Toronto who been through all levels of hell, and probably lots of guys anywhere else don't stand chance against one of us, but our numbers are declining.

The only thing keeping me going is having in mind that the more punches you take here in Toronto, the tougher you are anywhere else in the world.

Post: #111

Jesus before I ever read this thread I never saw a problem in Toronto. After doing a forum search and reading all the posts I never noticed how difficult some guys have it in Toronto, or rather I should say it has never been apparent how much EASIER it is outside of the dot.

Perseus made a comment about how lots of girls give major IOI's for you to approach to stroke their own ego. This is indeed the case, I've noticed this more frequently lately. Tell you what, the more I read this forum, the more I am interested in trying to game in other countries, particularly EE and Columbia. These negative threads are bad for your frame.

Post: #112

I think some members are having problems in Toronto cuz they are hitting on the wrong type of girls in the wrong areas.

There are a lots of liberal white chicks eager to get DTF in DOT.

Post: #113

(03-03-2012 08:45 PM)metalhaze Wrote:  I think some members are having problems in Toronto cuz they are hitting on the wrong type of girls in the wrong areas.

There are a lots of liberal white chicks eager to get DTF in DOT.

Lets start naming some venues/days to meet these white chicks. I find Fridays the worst for talent. Sat and Sunday (industry night) usually always better.
Off the top of my head -note anywhere can be a hit or miss, but in general:
Shit:

Cobra sucks on Fridays (all dudes bust chicks, in fact cobra has sucked for since last summer. I hear Wednesdays ar good tho).
Bloke n 4th sucks on thursdays (all suits/dudes) century is shit on thursdays (old/no talent)

Decent-Good:
Cheval - Sunday
College street bars thursdays
Hoxton, Bloke n 4th,Dolce, maison, musik -Saturdays
Atlier - Friday

Meh:
F-stop -Saturdays
Brant- Saturdays
Dolce-Fridays

Post: #114

(03-03-2012 08:41 PM)Gixxermuscle Wrote:  Jesus before I ever read this thread I never saw a problem in Toronto. After doing a forum search and reading all the posts I never noticed how difficult some guys have it in Toronto, or rather I should say it has never been apparent how much EASIER it is outside of the dot.

Perseus made a comment about how lots of girls give major IOI's for you to approach to stroke their own ego. This is indeed the case, I've noticed this more frequently lately. Tell you what, the more I read this forum, the more I am interested in trying to game in other countries, particularly EE and Columbia. These negative threads are bad for your frame.

Hey man, c'mon "Frame" is non existent. I do genome architecture and i doubt there's a male heritable gene for "frame" to allow males to "get in the mood" to talk to women lol. You see a girl you like, you go for it, otherwise some other guy will and you'll lose your chance, THATS genetic/evolutionary trait, i.e competition between males. Use that drive or some might call it gene-passing-fear to your advantage. But i get your point! However, Toronto somehow seems to kill male fears and drive to chase women.

Other members have said that you're good looking, tall, etc, so for a guy like yourself, you can EASILY close 2 deals/day in Europe/Columbia, guaranteed! Especially if you have a pure North American accent like myself, people will know right away you're Canadian/American and its like how girls here like British accents, Europe people like American/Canadian accent.

(03-03-2012 08:45 PM)metalhaze Wrote:  I think some members are having problems in Toronto cuz they are hitting on the wrong type of girls in the wrong areas.

There are a lots of liberal white chicks eager to get DTF in DOT.

metalhaze, that's TRUE. You know how they say you can't generalize an entire population as there always will be few bad apples in the bunch, well for Toronto its more like there are FEW good apples among a sea of bad ones!

Don't make the mistake of thinking you'll find these girls on for e.g Queen West, trust me i used to work in that area, and women are extremely liberal with their views/opinions on world issues, and all of them are visual arts/drama/theatre graduates or students, but that's it! these are the most liberal women in Toronto.
The only reason i was able to talk to these chicks is that i was in customer service for a "Print your own Tshirt" store, which allowed me to interact with them. But on my break, having a smoke outside, oh man, its like i'm invisible to these chicks. They are super snobby/arrogant and they all walk hella fast!.

BUT if you have an arm covered with tattoos, or you have piercings or BOTH, you're golden with these chicks. Literally just go up to one, don't say a thing, hand her your cellphone, she'll automatically put in her digits/name, smile when she's done and walk away....ok i'm exaggerating for effect

Post: #115

I've documented tons on Toronto DT femanazi broads (liberal white girls) tons. They are truly whores and easy peasy to fuck, but you will kill yourself trying to find them. They are tough to track down at night, they don't hit traditional venues and bounce around a lot from spot to spot. Regular TO women are a waste, they just dick around with your time, a TO femanazi will make her intentions known quite soon and if she wants pipe she will not be shy to give IOI, and open the flood gates to game her.

Last night I hit Major Rager at Andy's Pool Hall. White girls + Electro + Reggae. It was a sloppy night for sure. 2 makeouts, one with a definitive TO femenazi whore, she was fine as he'll I won't even lie but I had to fend of FOUR MEN from nuclear cockblocks, I ended up not caring and dumping it as the effort was not worth the pudding. She was tweaked on some next shit and went home with some tall preety boy type dude, for the sake of game I hope he railed that cunt till sunrise. Did also get a makeout from some drunk random, she was all over the place and would not leave me alone. She was grossly drunk to the point I was not interested (until later of course lolz).


I guess from an approach stand point I did well, I approached and was approached by all types of people. Nobody ever asked if I was alone which I assume is a great sign. I was having the most fun there it seemed. Its a great venue for solo game, it is large but has so many pockets and a round bar in the centre that any type of game can excel there. If you a. Skeazy dance floor hunter like me, or likr more casual talk, plus pool tables if that's your style. Plus it has a lot of of dark corners to frisk lizards with ease. Good times.

I lost a good one tho, still kicking myself over this one. This petite mixed girl from the Bahamas. Totally mystyle and as far as my own personal sexual preferences was a clear 8.5. She had a man (I knew this as her friend told me), but never brought it up till last minute. Fended off her friends, spent most of the night dancing and groping. Shit tanked last minute when I persued a number harder than a bang. Foolish me to think a TO lizard was worth more than a fuck lol. As soon as I pushed for that number hard... She dropped that BF bomb. So frustrating... On to the next.


For TO heads and race. Yea I agree with the poster above. I find TO women quite open to whatever the only ones whom are tough to crack are Asians and East Indian women. You don't get uncomfortable racial situations/feelings as in the states sometimes. The only strait up hate I have gotten was from a gaggle of persian women who basically called me a 'dirty monkey' I wanted to strangle them all but laid a subtle diss that left them hissing like fukin cats (DHV story that ended up going after at their huge noses. Lol fuk em). That has been the only uncomfy racial situation I have dealt with in TO. I can't say its a problem here at all.

@Pdog what are Men like outside of Toronto. Well Canada is mostly filled with ballsy dudes IMO. In my experience Canadian men outside of the GTA are typical and capable of game and handling there shit. Canada is a urban nation, even tho the government tries to sell foreigners on this apperance of rolling hills, forests, and mountains the majority of Canadians (85-90%) live in Cities. Cities usually tone down Men but here dudes grow up with parents either from a farm, small dumpy town, or another country. This hardens dudes up and teaches them to fend for themselves. Plus hockey and sport culture is rampant in cities (surprisingly more Men play hockey in Toronto), you have dudes growing up hitting and fighting in hockey and football this also hardens them up. Plus most dudes work shitty labour jobs if they did not do the full university corporate slave route.

I remember being younger and how much swooping girls was part of me and my boys lives. Weekends, we would drink, shoot shit, jam out then go sleaze up broads. Women we're always the end game of the night. I think this contrasts to TO as here 2nd generation kids are way to spoiled. There parents busted there asses to hell and back and shower the kids with a lot of stuff to try and emulate that GTA lifestyle. This swells up females heads (princess complex) and nurtures men. Most TO ppl did not come from hicktowns like out west. They come from smaller cities like sudbury, or north bay or some shit like that.

Post: #116

Seriously where are these "Toronto DT feminazis" who are easy to sleep with? although truth to be told, i'm a soldier for the other team (Men Rights Activists) but i'm willing to have a debate with one of these broads AFTER sex about feminism/Men Rights Movement, over a cigarette lol

Also Kosko, would you recommend Andy's Pool hall nowadays? i haven't been there in ages. Last time i was there, it was for a buddy's birthday, and one of our female friends was drunk and clinging onto me like hair on soap! Couldn't focus much.

Oh yah forgot to mention a quick little story that will probably ruin Toronto women in your minds! haha
So get this, i was coming back home on the taxi from a club, last saturday, and had an interesting conversation with the driver about girls who party DT. He said that Taxi drivers get laid like crazy!! he mentioned what happened to his buddy, another cab driver this one time, 2 girls jumped in the back of his buddy's cab and they were tipsy, he got on the high way and before he knew it, he looked back, and they were fingering each other and invited him to TOUCH!! long story short, he dropped one off, and the second girl fucked him in the cab.

I was like seriously man??!! these girls are RIGHT THERE with us in the club/bar and they shoot down guys for a sport, and then fuck the indian cab driver? really?
What about the guys who ask her for her number or a dance or something? i'm sure most of these guys are in better shape and dressed way better than the indian cab driver on the job, not to mention they have careers!

He mentioned many stories, and its not like he was lying, as he said that he wouldn't fuck girls like that cuz he's married, if he wasn't he would be getting laid every weekend like his buddy.

I think i puked outta the window after that conversation.

Post: #117

kosko -

Looking to go out tomorrow night, Saturday. Where would you recommend? I am out for lizards who are likely to be down to fcuk or at least have a good vibe about them. I really don't want to deal with no fcuked up lizards, I don't have the energy to fcuk with them like that.

Recommendations, please, fam?

Thanks.[/align]

Post: #118

(03-02-2012 06:44 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 06:38 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Living in Toronto is literally bad for your soul.
For a guy who's a newbie at pickup its horrible.

Three weeks in Atlanta really helped me feel better. Got girls literally gaming me. Fuck, but all my Toronto times have made me literally like a deer in the headlights who doesn't know what to do. I don't feel like a value leecher anymore. The women here are actually INTERESTED in me. I feel like a man. In Toronto men are bitches are women have power. To get past that you have to pretend not to care which is hard if you actually do care. You have to be super interesting, alpha, and cocky. Some guys can act those traits but I can't. Its too much pressure and not natural. The only way you stop caring is if you actually have options and girls into you. It creates a paradigm shift where you stop trying so much. Then when I come back to TO I'll care less since I already know I'm attractive and its not my problem if some bitch thinks she's the shit. I know I'm just a short flight away from the DR or Atlanta. Hell, I'll be in Uni in September so I actually don't care.

In Toronto I constantly beat myself up for "bad game" and kept thinking that there was something wrong with me for not getting girls. I lost motivation to game and I constantly thought I was a pussy and kept having self defeating thoughts. I started subconsciously resenting girls and had the resentment build up through constant rejection. All this is starting to dissipate as I actually enjoy interacting with girls and guys in Atlanta. This is good since I'm rebuilding the motivation I had before to barrel through my comfort zone and really improve myself.

Fuck, I'm getting a bit emotional cause I'm on Adderal but I realize how stupid it was for me to beat myself up.

All I know is how to approach and get shut down.

Last night was the first time I even had a legitimate connection with a girl and I truly opened up myself(a girl in a friends dorm). But I was not thinking clearly(If i was I could have seen the signs and found a place to escalate and fuck). All my Toronto day game hasn't helped me at all in being aggressive and just taking the lead and trying to fuck her. If I find time I'll try to get her into my friends dorm because she literally gamed me last night. I'm way too hesitant, as my Moma says just taking knocks doesn't help if you don't know how to punch. I don't know how to punch at all.......I"ve never been intimate with a girl in a non-drunk situation. The reason I didn't do well at all in TO is because I am not extremely aggressive and ballsy. But its impossible to be like that without some foundational confidence from success.

At least my verbal game is decent from all the hours of day game. Just gotta push through my fears and just fuck.

Its not worth the effort to go after Toronto women unless you'er like Gixxer who's good looking and tall and white. I'm fairly good looking and 5"9 but apparently my accent kills attraction in TO(according to coaches). However, in Atlanta some girls like it. Like LITERALLY its mind blowing how by just hanging out with my friend and chilling I have 4-5 prospects for this weekend. We haven't even been approaching much because we have been working on business and hustling.

People in the US are real. The reason I struggle in Toronto is because I don't have a big social circle. Why, because I don't click with the dudes here. I never had problems having high value friends in the US because they were interesting which meant a friendship would naturally develop since I'd feel comfortable around them. In the US people have real personalities and are more extreme while TO dudes are much more guarded. I have been socialized in the US where for some reason people take a liking to me while me and guys in Toronto don't connect.

I can't wait till I go to college, its going to be crazy. But it wont' be in Toronto for sure. The city makes you feel guilty for being a man and approaching girls.

Yes, if I grew up in TO and had friends here I'd fuck a lot. But the thing is you need a social circle here. Girls in Atlanta are friendly everywhere and its easy to make friends(as a young 18 year old guy).

Also I've noticed massive differences in the way I act after 3 weeks with my friend here. I self amuse more and say stupid shit more often. The personalities of people rubs onto you here. Its causing me to act more "alpha" in a natural and not forced manner. Its literally absurd how the guys in TO act, even my friends. I'm being comfortable with just being myself and realizing I don't need to be amazing to get girls. Its how it naturally works. Girls are attracted to guys.

I"m tryign to postphone my ticket back. I need to spend one more week here and fly to DR.

There is so much truth in this post. In fact, I think Toronto is worse than you suggest. For example, pretending not to care doesn't make women interested; you'll be ignored like virtually every other guy.

An observant person coming here could be forgiven for thinking that women here are simply not interested in men. I mean, based on what you'll see walking around here in the daytime (it's better at night, but barely) you'll never know that women are interested in the opposite sex - there is virtually no looking at men. And the thing you have to consider about Toronto is how the lack of interest affects you after being exposed to it on a daily basis on an extended time. You become reluctant to approach -- even look at -- women, and you begin to feel something like guilt for wanting interaction with the opposite sex. Torontokid is spot on with the bolded. (I've shaken this off now, but that was the effect that moving here had on me.)

Also agree about how Toronto represses people with lively personalities.

Post: #119

Regarding what I just said, Roissy has said the same thing:

Quote:If you go there to pick up women, don't expect any fools mates. Chicks simply do not check out guys. Stone-faced and looking straight ahead is the order of the day. They are as chilly as the climate. I was told Toronto men never approach women and most have zero game, so how anybody hooks up is a mystery. Intimate social circles where men and women just sorta kinda fall into each others genitalia must be the default mating method.

Many top PUAs hail from Toronto. A disproportionate number, really. I wondered why this was so. I now have a theory based on the people there. When girls give you NO approach invitations at all, you have to assume all of them love you, and go in strong. Waiting around forever for eye contact is a fruitless endeavor. Since these chicks are cosmopolitan and don't get sloppy garbage-hour drunk like American chicks, your game has to be tight; any hint of cheesiness or awkwardness will send them running. Plus, when the local guys make no effort to game women, the rewards for the enterprising PUA are greater. You can stand out a lot more in Toronto as an assertive man than you could in DC, where every douche and his little douchey brother get some liquid courage and boost even the fat girls' egos, and where the pickup scene is more widespread.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/archive/i...59377.html (no longer on his blog, so I I'm using this link.

Post: #120

i was at the drake last night. chopped 2 girls. one meh, the other legitimately pretty. naht bad. my game's shitty and both were parasite opens (i didn't open, i came in as a wing), so i'd say i came out pretty lucky.

but what's more is that my wing who i was out with almost got like, a 10 minute lay. it was a divine set of circumstances: he approached a girl on the street who was reasonably drunk but more importantly had just got out of a huge argument with her boyfriend. they made out hard against a wall and then hopped into a taxi and fooled around there. i don't know the whole story straight, but he says that she was ready to be taken home by him, but he had shitty logistics (he's broke and can't afford longer taxi rides, and he lives with a few other dudes), and, by his own admission he chickened out (who cares about the other dudes? if she's ready to go why not do it an alley?). he didn't get his nut, but hey at least he felt validated lol

Post: #121

(03-10-2012 03:34 PM)dickbutt Wrote:  i was at the drake last night. chopped 2 girls. one meh, the other legitimately pretty. naht bad. my game's shitty and both were parasite opens (i didn't open, i came in as a wing), so i'd say i came out pretty lucky.

but what's more is that my wing who i was out with almost got like, a 10 minute lay. it was a divine set of circumstances: he approached a girl on the street who was reasonably drunk but more importantly had just got out of a huge argument with her boyfriend. they made out hard against a wall and then hopped into a taxi and fooled around there. i don't know the whole story straight, but he says that she was ready to be taken home by him, but he had shitty logistics (he's broke and can't afford longer taxi rides, and he lives with a few other dudes), and, by his own admission he chickened out (who cares about the other dudes? if she's ready to go why not do it an alley?). he didn't get his nut, but hey at least he felt validated lol

Is the drake good on Fridays? What about Saturdays?

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(03-10-2012 12:50 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  There is so much truth in this post. In fact, I think Toronto is worse than you suggest. For example, pretending not to care doesn't make women interested; you'll be ignored like virtually every other guy.

An observant person coming here could be forgiven for thinking that women here are simply not interested in men. I mean, based on what you'll see walking around here in the daytime (it's better at night, but barely) you'll never know that women are interested in the opposite sex - there is virtually no looking at men. And the thing you have to consider about Toronto is how the lack of interest affects you after being exposed to it on a daily basis on an extended time. You become reluctant to approach -- even look at -- women, and you begin to feel something like guilt for wanting interaction with the opposite sex. Torontokid is spot on with the bolded. (I've shaken this off now, but that was the effect that moving here had on me.)

Also agree about how Toronto represses people with lively personalities.

Yeah man. I haven't even tried to approach the last week I've been here. I'd rather just stay at home, go to the gym, and work on business.
I'm focusing my energies on limiting my time in Toronto to less than a month a year. Money over Toronto bitches any day.

The lack of interest will fuck with your head. I know it fucked with my head and killed my progress at becoming a better man. It took a trip to Atlanta for me to acknowledge my value and accept that I'm a cool, social guy. There's something pathologically wrong with the bitches here if they won't even look at a guy during the daytime. I can see why guys like Roosh become so jaded and cynical while guys like Vicious are way more loving of women.

I'm going to Montreal on Monday where I'll hit it hard(18+ clubs).

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(03-10-2012 03:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 03:34 PM)dickbutt Wrote:  i was at the drake last night. chopped 2 girls. one meh, the other legitimately pretty. naht bad. my game's shitty and both were parasite opens (i didn't open, i came in as a wing), so i'd say i came out pretty lucky.

but what's more is that my wing who i was out with almost got like, a 10 minute lay. it was a divine set of circumstances: he approached a girl on the street who was reasonably drunk but more importantly had just got out of a huge argument with her boyfriend. they made out hard against a wall and then hopped into a taxi and fooled around there. i don't know the whole story straight, but he says that she was ready to be taken home by him, but he had shitty logistics (he's broke and can't afford longer taxi rides, and he lives with a few other dudes), and, by his own admission he chickened out (who cares about the other dudes? if she's ready to go why not do it an alley?). he didn't get his nut, but hey at least he felt validated lol

Is the drake good on Fridays? What about Saturdays?

it is said to be busier on saturdays

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We're you upstairs or downstairs @dickbutt?

@Moma I just seen your post now. I would of told you to reach the Loft III party. I went. Well umm... I give it two more months before its over run with fools. This was the the third installment of the monthly jam and there was still a hefty number of sleazy DT skanks there. The venue was complete crap and since it was not in a "bar" setting
(hense the party name) capacity issues we're messed, it was half full and had a lineups down the block (I was on the guest list but still had to wait 45min, wasn't cool with that, I got in about 12:15).

I had a good time tho. I gamed as many open women as I could, not unhappy with my night even though I did not close anything. It would of been way better if I went early and had my pick'ns.

Such a shallow crowd though women we're opening me simply because I was wearing a hat I got at SupremeNY... Simply the only reason. My biggest fuckup of the night was not closing some Russian broad whom wouldn't keep her hands off me, she was way taller than me (I can't fuck with that) and was I hesitant to try and close because I don't enjoy getting with taller felines. I regret this now though because the bitch was bangin'.

But as far as the Loft III jams go, its turning into a brother fest. It was packed full of brothers and sisters this will probably scare away some DT skanks to other spots lol but a lot of Asian and white girls we're up in there looking for nightsticks lol.

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http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...rio-canada

A plus for Toronto over NYC...it'll be easier to buy pussy! HA HA!