Post: #1

I have thought about the topic of the future of western dating ever since I got really into the forum and red pill. One topic that I thought was fascinating and one we don't seem to go in depth on enough is where dating patterns will go next now that online dating is the hot trend and where most of the people end up meeting.

Now, the argument I have heard here is that women will never date down, which has proven to be true from everything I have seen in my life. So, I understand the thought of the topic title could easily be dismissed. To that I say, NOT SO FAST.

Women naturally look for the highest value man right? But, nobody has thought of the possibility of the feminism train not reversing. I've met plenty of males and females that have no desire to change course. However, we are seeing international dating, digital nomads, and traveling abroad becoming more and more mainstream. More and more men are reporting back to other western men about how much better they get treated by the women abroad.

Eventually, I think enough men will realize their value is higher abroad unless they're a true 5% player in the west. With talking to international girls and meeting them being easier than ever, I see this only increasing and not going away.

What helps is that shows like 90 Day Fiance, which I originally found a discussion on somewhere here and checked it out for myself, are making marrying foreigners abroad a mainstream topic, for better or worse. There are plenty of trainwrecks on the show, but we also have couples that legitimately work out.

This is leading to more women having the mindset that maybe they can find someone to meet abroad that can treat them better. The show even has younger women marrying Caribbean, European, and Israeli men (and the American girl is well off). I even know of a couple of white girls that have found men even in countries in northern Asia.

The point I'm getting to is, if this gender/culture war does not slow down, we could see a big divide and having more people give up on meeting the opposite sex in their own culture if it's perceived to be easier and better abroad with financial means.

My prediction is the next generation may not make the same mistake on avoiding marriage entirely, but I think it will be done differently as long as the western first world does not completely collapse (and I think it'd take longer than others say anyway despite the extreme pessimists).

With more men searching for feminine women abroad, I can see either true undesirable women, soccer moms in their 30's, career girls, or women who's fertile clock is simply ticking all being open to the possibility of finding a husband abroad. I see this being especially the case with Caribbean, Latin American, and Eastern European men. They are the most desirable physically and personality wise from the poorer countries.

The conclusion I'm making is that I think if the culture war keeps its current pace, we will see both genders reach a stalemate and say ok, if we can't compromise with each other, then we will find other people that we think will make us happy. Western men will get their feminine women who know how to take care of their men, and western women will get to have their career, ride the cock carousel into their 30's, and marry a physically attractive man that will not be completely beta, but will listen to her.

This would also play into the migrant theory and it would make it a hell of a lot easier and socially acceptable to fill a western country with immigrants.

What are your thoughts on this theory?

Post: #2

I doubt it will happen in great numbers. Western women are great virtue signalers, but know that the average 3rd world imported man isn't as smart or as wealthy as their white counterparts. All this Western White Woman Whining (WWWW) is just a shit test to get white men to bitchslap them metaphorically or if needed, physically. I think the next generation of women will seek out Western men in an increasingly dangerous Europe, as they see too many of their female friends raped and killed by The Diversity. Generation Z will be some of the biggest shit lords ever.

Post: #3

All that needs to happen is for it to somehow become trendy. Western women have a weakness and that is the herd mentality.

Post: #4

Well, white women at least are the ones that marry the least inter racially. I don't see that as a big possibility, the average white is smarter and more well off than some boat drifter. The ones that do are simply THOTS that are looking for some cheap thrills.

Post: #5

Quote:An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded.

Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.

http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf

They may spread their legs for third world men because of those sweet, sweet tingles, but not more than that.

Post: #6

Interesting theory...

I'm just curious - what's the motivation for a man in Eastern Europe marry a 33 year old plump Australian woman with more miles than a datsun? For money/visa? Well.... even Stevie Wonder could see that his marketplace for women is much better in his own country... I guess it could work in some parts of the 3rd world where the local women are exceptionally awful, and the eastern man would have to be quite a courageous fella...

But I agree with John Michael Kane, and I don't think it will happen at the same extent as it's happening for western men with eastern women.

Men and womens law of attraction is not equal... men value physical looks in women much more than vice versa... and women value resources in men much more than vice versa... If a western woman marries someone from the 3rd world the man could likely be less wealthy, less educated and lower social class than hers so it would be going against a women's hypergamous nature to "level-up"... But with that being said, each day more and more western men are abandoning western women so who knows just how desperate western women will get.

Post: #7

I'm from the third-world, and LOTS of foreign western women do date poor guys.

The combination is almost usually 40-50 fat ugly bitch with kids + 25 young men.

7/10 women who are 25 year old will not date these men. Heck, they are having trouble getting a date in their own country.

Post: #8

The irony of the taxation system and family court system taking funds off hard working western men,so their sluts can spend it on third world cock importation.

Post: #9

This wont end well.

Post: #10

(10-14-2017 08:01 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  The irony of the taxation system and family court system taking funds off hard working western men,so their sluts can spend it on third world cock importation.

i've heard it got harder. at least in europe/france/belgium. The immigration does random visits to the couple. and also if the age difference is huge (for example 20/70) they can refuse the marriage or delivering papers to the guy.

also the wife must have sufficient funds to get papers for the guy. I'm not sure if government funds count.

Post: #11

I've seen it quite a bit. Not even fat chicks, more the hitting the wall types. Prob just get looked past at by the type of guys they use to date. Hit some point where they are jaded about 9-5. They will usually be with a guy that speaks English, knows how to hustle, maybe has a surfshop or some bar at a tourist beach spot. Chick maybe footing the initial investment for business I don't know. Don't see anything wrong with this really. Guy probably has a second real wife somewhere in some inland village, these girls are just addicted to being played.
Edit: just from my personal observation. Not sure if it's really a significant trend number wise.

Post: #12

I know there are many white 1st world women that travel to Rapa Nui (Eastern Island) and get banged and even marry the wild locals (see http://grandescapades.net/easter-island-...ictures/).
It's a very small "market", they're mostly woman that are tired of the first world and go there to live poorly and smoke pot all day and do scubadiving while banging these guys.

Post: #13

Women going overseas for sex is a very tiny market and it's farfetched outside of old and undesirable women. Women have so much options in the West I don't see any reason for them to go through the trouble of flying overseas. They can't date a 9 they will settle for an 8. There's a never ending line of men that will put up with her for the chance of sex.
Why such concern for women? Last I checked It's just men that are exiting the western sexual market place by flying overseas. The rest go MGTOW, become incels, or do the normie thing and marry women that notch counts that guarantee divorce and state enforced alimony and child support.

Post: #14

These women are typically paying African men for sex. Their status among their upper-class leftist friends would plummet if they married one of these men.

The model we have is men are wired to want go get access to as many women as they can. Even if they have a good woman on lock down they can risk it all for a 4 (Arnold Schwarzenegger). On the other hand women are happy with one, they just want it to be the best one they can get.

This is the historical mating selection for humans. Alpha men had sex with many women, betas took what they could. While if you were a woman your security was based on you receiving the protection of an alpha in exchange for sex. Women have been breed for most of biological history to be like this. It's something manifest in most animals and it's not changing in our lifetime.

Post: #15

I've seen this quite a bit specifically in Siem Reap, Cambodia. I even met tuk tuk drivers with white girlfriends and wives. You also see it in beach towns where lots of backpacker types hang out.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #16

It's not in a woman's nature to travel the world to find a man to marry. Also its historically not in their nature to date below their socioeconomic status, and feminism may cement this idea in their head by making them think they deserve their equal. You're more likely to find them instead using paid dating services in their home countries than going to extreme lengths like that. There's no shortage of good men.

Post: #17

In the future?!?



The third world is already here.

Post: #18

I saw quite a bit of it in Cebu at immigration. Hell, even some of my uber drivers were engaged, dating, or married to white women.

Post: #19

(11-06-2017 05:50 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I've seen this quite a bit specifically in Siem Reap, Cambodia. I even met tuk tuk drivers with white girlfriends and wives. You also see it in beach towns where lots of backpacker types hang out.

(11-07-2017 11:01 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  I saw quite a bit of it in Cebu at immigration. Hell, even some of my uber drivers were engaged, dating, or married to white women.

Noticing that you guys aren't offering descriptions of these women. That's a big red flag.

You'll never see Western women marry poorer men to have children. Even poor women hate marrying poor men. That's just the way it is, and always will be. At best, you'll see some richer 40+ Western women going on a sex tour while they binge on food and booze. Maybe they decide to marry a boy toy, for awhile. But at the end of the day, it produces no children or future.

Post: #20

(11-07-2017 12:53 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:50 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I've seen this quite a bit specifically in Siem Reap, Cambodia. I even met tuk tuk drivers with white girlfriends and wives. You also see it in beach towns where lots of backpacker types hang out.

(11-07-2017 11:01 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  I saw quite a bit of it in Cebu at immigration. Hell, even some of my uber drivers were engaged, dating, or married to white women.

Noticing that you guys aren't offering descriptions of these women. That's a big red flag.

You'll never see Western women marry poorer men to have children. Even poor women hate marrying poor men. That's just the way it is, and always will be. At best, you'll see some richer 40+ Western women going on a sex tour while they binge on food and booze. Maybe they decide to marry a boy toy, for awhile. But at the end of the day, it produces no children or future.

Nah, you assume a red flag incorrectly in this case. Sure, generally what you're saying is true, but a man always treads into dangerous intellectual territory when he uses the word "never."

In Cambodia and Thailand I've seen it all the way across the spectrum regarding the woman's looks. Notice I mentioned backpacker areas - that's because backpacker broads are especially loose and "open-minded" and some southeast Asian rasta guys and beach rats run through young European and American backpacker broads constantly. These women are generally just passing through and it's just sex but sometimes they fall in love with the area and a local guy.

In Cambodia especially I've seen downright hot ones doing it, even marrying. I personally have Cambodian friends with young white wives (I've actually been in one of these weddings as a groomsmen). I can share a pic of at least two that are hot, and I've introduced at least one of these guys to other forum members so they've probably seen her pics too, and these guys come from dirt poor backgrounds but have looks and game. To be fair, the guy is a stud.

You're right that it's not in their biology to do something like this, but we've been training women in the West that it's okay to select men based on physicality for a long time, and many of these women visiting poor countries are highly indoctrinated in liberal psychology so they're constantly trying to resist their biology and go against the grain.

And the ones who go so far as to marry guys like this are exceptions, generally, but I'm surprised there's even a question on a game forum whether men can sleep with and even lock down women when they're poor. I come from a very poor background and my experiences before I made any real money say you most definitely still can (gets harder as you get older though). I'm not the only one. We all know poor guys who murder it with hot broads in the West.

Of course, you'd think dirt poor Cambodians are on a whole other level of poor, and they are. But these are usually fun loving guys, cool, good looking guys fully immersed in the tourist scene and getting girls to fund their nights out - they aren't simple farmers slaving away in the fields. And the girls are letting their hair down on a trip abroad, falling in love with the culture and whatnot.

I've know one crew of Cambodian buddies who party with the backpackers every night. They have no cash but they spend their days getting jacked in the gym, a real iron gym kind of place with no air con in the tropics and locals hardly pay anything to go there.

They know everyone on pub street so they have social clout and are very cool. A few of them slam different backpacker broads every week. Sure, they bang some that I wouldn't and their spectrum seems to range pretty wide, but that's often true for guys working the party scene, and I definitely see them with some hot ones every once in a while.

The tuk tuk drivers have it a lot tougher - they aren't as cool and yah, the ones who've shown me pics are usually with some fat and ugly broad.

All in all, OP is correct that most of these girls are taking advantage of increased value by going overseas, but there are generalities and then there are specifics, and I'm telling you I've seen my share of specific situations where poor guys abroad are pounding some premium white tail and sometimes throwing a ring on the finger and securing themself a passport.

Game recognized.

Of course, whether or not these young passionate decisions will actually last may be another story entirely.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling