Post: #26

(11-05-2017 12:17 AM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  Nah, that's not how medicine works these days. They have hundreds of "guidelines" such as "female above age of 21 is to have pap smear every 2 years." When the doc sits down in front of his computer and pulls up the electronic medical record, there is a million check-boxes he has to check off before completing the patient visit and moving down the assembly line to patient #35 of the day. He's not going to spend time figuring out if OP's 23 year old girlfriend is the 1/100 girls who has never had sexual activity by that age, he's just going to see she hasn't had a pap smear and will recommend she does.

It's going to be the rare virgin to be on the spot and not only know that cervical cancer is caused by HPV and her lack of sexual activity makes it unlikely she is infected with the virus, but also have that thought process in the 1 second she has to either accept or decline the doctor's recommendation. In the vast majority of cases, the word "cancer" and the fact the doc is recommending what sounds like a pretty innocuous screening test is going to result in a reflexive "yes."

Well written Higgs Bosun.
Explains the current medical establishment's procedures and attitudes about this issue perfectly.

Post: #27

(11-05-2017 12:10 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I remember reading about hymens breaking from riding a bicycle. I figured any sort of weird force on the vaginal area with an intact hymen could break it.

Im starting to doubt whether this is actually true.
Pre 20th century, I don't think anyone in the medical estabishment claimed female hymens broke that easily...or were girls forbidden from riding horses and bicycles until they got married ?

The hymen is tough but also flexible...it bends with the girl's movements but should not break unless you apply a specific intrusive penetrating pressure
inwards.


This "super fragile will break at any moment" hymen myth comes across as a modern 20th century invention.

Post: #28

Hymens were broken through first sex to husbands at a much younger age than today. It wasn't uncommon for 16-18-year-old women to get married through large parts of human history. The current first-age of marriage in the West is now 27 for a woman. The first age of sex is even lower than that.

Post: #29

I had a girlfriend who's hymen was broken while riding a horse.

She said the hardest part was actually getting the horse to lie on its back.

Post: #30

(11-04-2017 11:43 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Cervical cancer test? Isn't being a 20-something virgin an automatic rule out for that, given that it has a link with HPV, and seeing she hasn't been sexually active? Unless the women in her family have a history of early-onset cervical cancer, the whole test seems unnecessary, unless she has been sexually active. Do you trust her implicitly? Did the doctor order the test, or did she do it of her own volition? Think about it for a second.

Uniquely, the United States is the only country in the world that recommends routine pap smear testing in any woman above 20, regardless of sexual activity.

In other words, the United States is the only country that advises virgins to take pap smears.

The only reason I can think of for this rule is $$$

It's good, easy money. But the risk of cervical cancer in a female virgin is almost non-existent.

Post: #31

Dude, you gotta be trolling

Post: #32

Not the best Mercenary conspiracy thread, but decent.

Post: #33

(11-05-2017 02:20 AM)Number one bummer Wrote:  Not the best Mercenary conspiracy thread, but decent.

I was gonna wait until page 3 or 4 to start speculating about the potential "why's" of all this. For now, I'm interested if a man who wants a virgin wife and finds one, yet is presented with such a situation as I described...how would he feel ?



As for possible conspiracies, you could make the argument that this medical standard has been set up not just for greedy profit, but also to set up a world so that no man ever gets a wife with an intact hymen unless he marries an underage girl. Making the sacred traditional consummation of marriage (in the religious sense) impossible. The first penetration of a women just married and bleeding that followed was part of the religious belief in most cultures.

Regardless of what religion you are....if you believe in one or more creators of the human race, then the existence of the girl's hymen has a purpose. It's there for a reason.

Even if you are an atheist evolutionary believer, the hymen should have a specific function to have survived in human females for so long.

Now it's just regardless as some kind of insignificant annoyance before a girl's sex life can begin, but for hundreds (thousands ?) of years men placed a very high value on it.

Its existence in females is not accidental, and thats what makes it important.

Post: #34

(11-04-2017 11:43 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Cervical cancer test? Isn't being a 20-something virgin an automatic rule out for that, given that it has a link with HPV, and seeing she hasn't been sexually active? Unless the women in her family have a history of early-onset cervical cancer, the whole test seems unnecessary, unless she has been sexually active. Do you trust her implicitly? Did the doctor order the test, or did she do it of her own volition? Think about it for a second.

No no no.

If virgins weren't tested for cervical cancer bitches would be dropping dead left and right from that shit. You think they are telling the truth? Hell no.

I have a theory mercenary needs to listen very carefully to:

1. Get tested. Shes got the clap. At 23 years old this "virgin" knows damn well every single thing that's been shoved in that pussy. That's if she really is. If so, why would she neglect to recall the giant piece of stainless steel barbeque tongs that one time from that one doctor. Come on.

My guess, given the aforementioned info, is that the extreme tightness youve experienced is actually acute inflammation brought on by the clap.

Aloha!

Post: #35

(11-05-2017 02:41 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  Regardless of what religion you are....if you believe in one or more creators of the human race, then the existence of the girl's hymen has a purpose. It's there for a reason.

Even if you are an atheist evolutionary believer, the hymen should have a specific function to have survived in human females for so long.

Now it's just regardless as some kind of insignificant annoyance before a girl's sex life can begin, but for hundreds (thousands ?) of years men placed a very high value on it.

Its existence in females is not accidental, and thats what makes it important.

It's probably as a means of preventing infection. As you probably know females are much more predisposed to UTIs than males by virtue of the female anatomy. Hymen probably evolved as a means to block bacteria from entering the vagina rather than as some kind of sexual "telltale." The best evidence against the latter theory is that a great many mammals from rats to elephants have hymens as well, and they most likely place little to no value on virginity .

Post: #36

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Post: #37

I was in similar situation and I understand how OP feels.

When I was having the first time sex with my virgin bride, there was no blood, but she was still very tight and it was very painful for the first ten to twenty times. I was still somewhat upset that there was no blood because that is what I was expecting. But as I looked in the internet it actually says it's not that uncommon for he first sex to be bloodless. I am not sure if that has to do with hymen breaking or not. Some sources say it's not the hymen that bleeds, but the vaginal walls that are too sensitive and it also may depend on the man, how experienced he is and how rough or gentle he is.

From what I understand, women are intended by nature to lose virginity from ages 16-21. Hymen in women older then that becomes more fragile and can brake more easily from various factors. But I am not sure it is true.

I believe her virginity because I found her secret diary, I know she had briefly dated two men before and kissed including kisses not only on lips, but she hasn't been penetrated. Also other reasons like her being totally inexperienced, easily bonding, no red flags and so on.

I believe Mercenary is experienced enough a member of this forum to trust in his gut instinct in this situation.

Post: #38

You can't lose your virginity from a medical device. Can only lose it from getting fucked by a person. Can't believe this is even a question.

Post: #39

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(11-05-2017 07:26 AM)realologist Wrote:  You can't lose your virginity from a medical device. Can only lose it from getting fucked by a person. Can't believe this is even a question.

This thread isn't about the definition of virginity.
It's about how a female hymen should be broken by a man in her first sexual experience.

(11-05-2017 03:03 AM)Kona Wrote:  I have a theory mercenary needs to listen very carefully to:

1. Get tested. Shes got the clap. At 23 years old this "virgin" knows damn well every single thing that's been shoved in that pussy. That's if she really is. If so, why would she neglect to recall the giant piece of stainless steel barbeque tongs that one time from that one doctor. Come on.

My guess, given the aforementioned info, is that the extreme tightness youve experienced is actually acute inflammation brought on by the clap.

You obviously don't have much experience with asian pussy, family structure, or cultural/social norms there otherwise you would know what all RVFers in the far east have known for years.
Besides, even if what you said is even remotely possible, all this happened more a few months ago...symptoms would have shown up by now. And yes, I get regularly tested.

Also, more importantly, why should a girl bring up such an unpleasant topic to a guy she likes, turns her on, and who wants to help her lose her virginity ? Can you imagine a virgin girl saying "oh by the way, an old nurse shafted me with a cold speculum last summer, so technically I don't have a fully unpenetrated pussy...but we can still pretend you broke me first."

(11-05-2017 03:04 AM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  It's probably as a means of preventing infection. As you probably know females are much more predisposed to UTIs than males by virtue of the female anatomy. Hymen probably evolved as a means to block bacteria from entering the vagina rather than as some kind of sexual "telltale." The best evidence against the latter theory is that a great many mammals from rats to elephants have hymens as well, and they most likely place little to no value on virginity

I don't buy into this idea.
If this "hymen as a infection/bacteria prevention tool" theory were true women would need their hymens even more AFTER sex and/or childbirth cause of their looser pussies.

As for other mammals, they might use this to verify if a female is "unspoiled" and untaken" so as not to come into conflict with other males who claim her as their own.

(11-05-2017 03:55 AM)Mage Wrote:  I was in similar situation and I understand how OP feels.

But as I looked in the internet it actually says it's not that uncommon for he first sex to be bloodless. I am not sure if that has to do with hymen breaking or not. Some sources say it's not the hymen that bleeds, but the vaginal walls that are too sensitive and it also may depend on the man, how experienced he is and how rough or gentle he is.

From what I understand, women are intended by nature to lose virginity from ages 16-21. Hymen in women older then that becomes more fragile and can brake more easily from various factors. But I am not sure it is true.

I believe her virginity because I found her secret diary, I know she had briefly dated two men before and kissed including kisses not only on lips, but she hasn't been penetrated. Also other reasons like her being totally inexperienced, easily bonding, no red flags and so on.

I believe Mercenary is experienced enough a member of this forum to trust in his gut instinct in this situation.

Thank you Mage.

Yeah, the internet nowadays says it's not uncommon for the first sex to be bloodless or that hymens are super fagile after age 21, but where's the evidence for that ? Where are all these girls breaking hymens by slipping on bananas or by running too fast to catch a bus ?

Medical books written before the 1950s never stated such things about fragile hymens. They DID however write books for men about HOW to break a hymen on your wedding night. Books like this existed a lot further back.

Also, in many countries in southern century Europe before the 20th century, the usual custom was for a newly married couple to hang the blood stained bedsheets outside their window the day after their first sex. Something doesn't make sense here.

(11-05-2017 03:55 AM)Mage Wrote:  When I was having the first time sex with my virgin bride, there was no blood, but she was still very tight and it was very painful for the first ten to twenty times. I was still somewhat upset that there was no blood because that is what I was expecting.

We also both expected blood and brought towels to deal with it. She was scared and anxious but wanted me to do it anyway. Her nervousness was unlike any other girl I had ever been with. Also on the day I finally penetrated her it took about 5 or 6 tries until it actually worked. Each time I would try to push inside she would instictually squirm her body upwards on the bed as soon as she felt pain. She would always apologise each time and a few minutes later ask me to try to enter again. Same thing would happen over and over.

Finally, I realised the only way this was going to work is if I used a harsher method. Without warning, I held her down firmly by her shoulders so she couldn't get away, looked her dead in the eyes, and said in a really severe stern voice "don't move". She got real scared and freezed up....I was able to finally push inside and the rest is history.

She has thanked me many times since then for doing it that way. She admitted it was totally necessary in that scenario.
None of this behaviour would make sense if she already knew what sex was like.

Post: #40

Achievement unlocked.

Post: #41

(11-04-2017 09:30 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Has your virgin wife lost her hymen and pre-cucked you with a speculum ?

Has this ever happened to you?
Has your virgin wife lost her hymen and pre-cucked you with a speculum ?
Did she claim she cartwheeled onto a bicycle or went horseriding and it popped?
Only took 4 days to get inside her?
Ladies, is some player obsessed with a flap of skin?

You need the new Artificial Hymen from Shambam Industries.
Our patented technology will give you back that wife material vagina so you can have 20 or 30 more awkward sexual encounters before he complains that you must be a slut and dump you despite the fact you were a virgin before you met him.

Not convinced, how about a testimonial from this satisfied customer?

"I'm a 23rd Asian and some player got upset that i had a cervical exam. Now thanks to my new Artificial Hymen he wants to marry me. I'm still not sure why we didn't have sex before marriage if he wanted a virgin wife, but still thanks Shambam!"



Seriously, you can buy fake ones if you want that feeling of breaking a hymen.

Post: #42

(11-05-2017 01:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I had a girlfriend who's hymen was broken while riding a horse.

She said the hardest part was actually getting the horse to lie on its back.

Post: #43

(11-05-2017 08:51 AM)NightVale Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 09:30 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Has your virgin wife lost her hymen and pre-cucked you with a speculum ?

Has this ever happened to you?
Has your virgin wife lost her hymen and pre-cucked you with a speculum ?
Did she claim she cartwheeled onto a bicycle or went horseriding and it popped?
Only took 4 days to get inside her?
Ladies, is some player obsessed with a flap of skin?

You need the new Artificial Hymen from Shambam Industries.
Our patented technology will give you back that wife material vagina so you can have 20 or 30 more awkward sexual encounters before he complains that you must be a slut and dump you despite the fact you were a virgin before you met him.

Not convinced, how about a testimonial from this satisfied customer?

"I'm a 23rd Asian and some player got upset that i had a cervical exam. Now thanks to my new Artificial Hymen he wants to marry me. I'm still not sure why we didn't have sex before marriage if he wanted a virgin wife, but still thanks Shambam!"



Seriously, you can buy fake ones if you want that feeling of breaking a hymen.

4:39 to 6:21

Post: #44

(11-05-2017 08:51 AM)NightVale Wrote:  Ladies, is some player obsessed with a flap of skin?

Seriously, you can buy fake ones if you want that feeling of breaking a hymen.

Why stop there NightVale ?
Who cares about real tits, if fake ones feel just the same ?
Why do u care if a girl you met was actually a boy when she was born ?
Why be obsessed about having a real woman when you can buy a sexbot ?
Or why be obsessed with the feeling of real pussy when you can get a fleshlight ?

This sort of argument has no merit.

Post: #45

The effects of marrying a woman with a hymen are obvious, if you spend five minutes thinking about it:

Your first time with your wife would have been both gentle and forceful; her truly submitting to you, knowing that it would hurt but that this is how you'd create a family. You, pushing her to do something that hurts for her own good - but being as tender as possible.

That would go on to influence the rest of your sex life and relationship.

These days? You'd better be good at jackhammering her, because that's what it's going to take to get off. What do you think this does to the rest of the relationship?

Can you not see this creating competition and conflict between couples? Nascent feminism in the women, the dismissiveness that feminists call "misogyny" in men?

I once dated a virgin without a hymen as well; I believe her because she legitimately did ride horses, and she was autistic as fuck (too socially awkward in her younger years to date). But now I'm half wondering if she lost it to a speculum like your girl?

Post: #46

(11-05-2017 12:23 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  That's how I got my hymen broken.

RVF needs more of this type of honesty from it's members.

Post: #47

(11-05-2017 07:26 AM)realologist Wrote:  You can't lose your virginity from a medical device. Can only lose it from getting fucked by a person. Can't believe this is even a question.

Are you a doctor?

There actually is a doctor who has posted in this thread, but he didn't make the claim that you did.

Post: #48

This has given me a script idea for a porn film.
Old School. : D

TBH On the topic, I couldn't think of anything WORSE than dating/let alone marrying a virgin.

Post: #49

(11-05-2017 10:12 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  This has given me a script idea for a porn film.
Old School. : D

TBH On the topic, I couldn't think of anything WORSE than dating/let alone marrying a virgin.

Now this is true autism.

Post: #50

(11-05-2017 10:23 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 10:12 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  This has given me a script idea for a porn film.
Old School. : D

TBH On the topic, I couldn't think of anything WORSE than dating/let alone marrying a virgin.

Now this is true autism.

No, it's not.

Not even close.