Post: #51

(09-12-2017 10:31 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Women wise, I've never got how Thailand could be such a paradise for older men (50+). It's hard enough to get the quality girls as a decent looking, younger guy these days due to the stigma associated with foreigners. Most cute, normal girls wouldn't be seen dead walking around with an older one, because that instantly labels her as a whore to Thai society. So unless you're happy smashing Issan pros/gold digging semi pros, I don't see the appeal. From a lifestyle perspective, it could be a nice place to retire though.

This has been experience as well. Frankly, Thai women aren't that good looking either. Most of the truly beautiful ones are usually married off when they are young or come from the upper classes. We foreigners are basically left with the scraps. Perhaps I'll change my mind on them when I get older but I rather head to Japan where I can get higher quality then just bang a bunch of average looking girls in Thailand.

Post: #52

Left with the scraps? Maybe that is a reflection on your game. Maybe learn the country and learn some of the language and you won't be banging a bunch of average girls.

I am honestly so tired of idiots who show up to Thailand thinking they are automatically going to be laying 8's because they are white. It has been said hundreds of times here by guys that actually know their shit, it takes work and actual game to get girls that are not just Isaan, pool playing, single mother, farrang hunting girls.

Post: #53

What are people's experiences with Chinese Thai?

Post: #54

(09-13-2017 06:13 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  This is one reason why I left Thailand after 8 months of living there.

Clean - Would you please post the other reasons you left Thailand.

Post: #55

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(09-13-2017 06:47 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:   Learning the language ... mean[s] that some serious length of time has been spent in the country. ... I don't have many expats friends ... Its hard to find people who really understand ...

Thank you, Ball.
Thank you very much.

I don't have any expat friends.
Yes, I've tried and tried, but, after 10+ years: not one.
Wondered seriously if I needed a stronger deodorant or something like that.

I've especially learned to avoid expats here 2-3 years.
Like teenagers, they know everything.
Just like I did in my "teenage" years.

Older expats, longer term in country, can be much wiser.
If they've make the effort to learn the language thoroughly, they probably know a lot.
But all the proficient expats like that I've ever encountered here seem dedicated to telling me how things work.
They seem allergic to two-way conversation with others.
With me, anyway.
I think they are allergic to any voice other than their own.

When I do encounter a proficient expat here, I always try to ask how and where he's found good friends among other expats.
Always draws a blank stare, "Whaddya mean?"
From what I can see, most long-termers have no close, expat friends.

Acquaintances who live in the same condo building: yes.
Neighbors in the house next door or on the next bar stool: easy.
Activity partners to go fishing, ride motorcycles, play golf: no problem.
But friends with whom a man can discuss, analyze, and evaluate life in this strange land, no.

It's been a problem for me in Thailand.
As yet, I have no solution.
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Post: #56

That was my experience in the Philippines where the easily gamed girls were the runts, and the white washed WGF was counteracted by the stigma associated now with white men due to the gold digging of the last couple of decades.

In the end, what are we working for here? 4'10-5'2 broads with no body and second world style? If I wanted short stick figured bodies I'd joint NAMBLA. The classy girls I'd say take more work than your typical average American chick. Being in a SEA just made me appreciate American women more

Post: #57

(09-13-2017 11:05 PM)MRG1946 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:13 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  This is one reason why I left Thailand after 8 months of living there.

Clean - Would you please post the other reasons you left Thailand.

Just saw this after I PM'ed you my answers. The short version -- tightening visa regulations, don't feel I'm a good cultural fit with Thais, and feel more at home here in Vietnam.

Besides, unlike Thai/Chinese/other Oriental languages, the Vietnamese language uses roman letters that makes it much easier for me to read and actually learn it.

Post: #58

(09-13-2017 12:51 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  What are people's experiences with Chinese Thai?

Important topic.

All my experiences with Chinese-Thai have been neutral to bad.
None really good.

Unfortunately most all of the small and medium size business in Thailand are owned by Chinese-Thai: apartment buildings, hotels, most shops and restaurants, stores in malls (and the malls themselves), even the Uber cars, are mostly all owned by Chinese-Thai.
Living here it is impossible to avoid frequent contact with Chinese-Thai and their ways of doing business.

So, Svoboda, what about your experiences with Chinese-Thai?
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Post: #59

(09-13-2017 11:42 PM)MRG1946 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 12:51 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  What are people's experiences with Chinese Thai?

Important topic.

All my experiences with Chinese-Thai have been neutral to bad.
None really good.

Unfortunately most all of the small and medium size business in Thailand are owned by Chinese-Thai: apartment buildings, hotels, most shops and restaurants, stores in malls (and the malls themselves), even the Uber cars, are mostly all owned by Chinese-Thai.
Living here it is impossible to avoid frequent contact with Chinese-Thai and their ways of doing business.

So, Svoboda, what about your experiences with Chinese-Thai?
.

What kind of experiences? Business or relationship? Any example of bad to neutral experiences?

Post: #60

(09-13-2017 06:13 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Just saw this after I PM'ed you my answers. The short version -- tightening visa regulations, don't feel I'm a good cultural fit with Thais, and feel more at home here in Vietnam.

Thank you, Clean.

For maximum liberty from political correctness, we can continue the conversation in PM.
(We might get into a discussion of racial characteristics, and don't want to violate forum rules.)
If others reading this want to discuss expat life in Thailand vs. Vietnam, I invite you to PM me.
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Post: #61

(09-13-2017 11:45 PM)lodzoser Wrote:  ... experiences with Chinese Thai ... What kind of experiences? Business or relationship? Any example of bad to neutral experiences?

Thank you for asking.
This is an important topic for long-stay expats in Thailand.
I have a very long list, mostly business, but some relationship.

But I'm not going to post on the public forum here.
First, there is a forum rule to avoid discussing race as race.
Second, on any public forum these days, there are many, many, "volunteers" in the Politically Correct Police.
No need to stir up that hornets nest, eh?

So, if you are interested in discussing that topic, I invite you to PM to me.
Anyone else interested in this topic, too.
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Post: #62

(09-13-2017 11:33 PM)MRG1946 Wrote:  When I do encounter a proficient expat here, I always try to ask how and where he's found good friends among other expats.
Always draws a blank stare, "Whaddya mean?"
From what I can see, most long-termers have no close, expat friends.

Acquaintances who live in the same condo building: yes.
Neighbors in the house next door or on the next bar stool: easy.
Activity partners to go fishing, ride motorcycles, play golf: no problem.
But friends with whom a man can discuss, analyze, and evaluate life in this strange land, no.

It's been a problem for me in Thailand.
As yet, I have no solution.
.

Can't speak about the language topic since I have not invested in groundwork in Chinese (simply not interested), but I can relate on the topic of expat friends.

Can't speak for Thailand, but I generally find that the longer someone is in Asia the less likely they are to be all that invested in new expats and friends.

I am friends with one guy who doesn't speak Chinese but has been running a business here for over 10 years and has a Chinese wife. Outside of me, and a few other super-long term expats he doesn't socialize all that much.

The way he explained it to me was that after being here for so long you get used to the transient nature of most expats. They come, they go and you have trouble giving a shit about them unless they stick around long enough. The other side of new expats is that they tend to leave scorched earth in their wake. Shenzhen has a few pool parties every year but each year the number of pool parties that foreigners are invited to gets smaller and smaller and smaller.

Why? People (foreigners) get really fucked up drunk and try to bang Chinese girls in the pool in plain sight. You can't make this shit up.

This also applies to my own experiences here. The guys I hung with in my first 2 months In China are not the same set of friends I have 2 years into China. Whenever I run into a new guy looking for help, I am very hands off unless I've known him for 6+ months or he is vetted by a close friend. I've had a few guys turn out to be complete idiots and had to cut 'em off before they dragged me down with them.

Like Balls Don't Lie said, and I agree, you definitely find yourself in your bubble and you don't take to people rattling that cage. I have a pretty tight schedule myself.

Post: #63

The reason I asked is because of my experiences with a Chinese Thai girlfriend.

MRG's description is quite fitting.
Many in her family have many small business (I don't mean a stall selling noodles, but brick and morter with 2-30 employees), everybody either works in their own or their parents business or for or in government (civil servant, police, politician etc).
They seem way better integrated than Chinese Indonesians

Post: #64

(09-14-2017 07:04 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  The reason I asked is because of my experiences with a Chinese Thai girlfriend.

MRG's description is quite fitting.
Many in her family have many small business (I don't mean a stall selling noodles, but brick and morter with 2-30 employees), everybody either works in their own or their parents business or for or in government (civil servant, police, politician etc).
They seem way better integrated than Chinese Indonesians

The Chinese view family as a business. Chinese are also deeply risk averse, but if you have Chinese in the top government positions and Chinese running the businesses, then it becomes a situation where the Chinese are minimizing risks (because they control the market and the government) and maximizing profits. The Chinese dream.

That is why I am wary of allowing Chinese migrants to flood into developing and developed economies. It will always end this way.

Anyway, I digress.

What you guys posted about Chinese Thais sounds like classic Chinese tactics to a T.

Post: #65

So Thailand economy is controlled by Chinese thais?

Post: #66

(09-12-2017 01:48 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  Bad
Thailand has arguably the worst electricians in the world. Especially be careful with those electric shower heaters (fortunately there is a test button on the front).
For someone living in Thailand that used to be an electrician back home, consider doing jobs for all the other foreigners because the local competition are complete hacks.

Do NOT get into conflict with Thai people. Thai are vindictive as fuck.

How does the test button work?

Post: #67

They self identify as Thai though. To the point they consider being seen as Chinese as negative (according to them Chinese are dirty and rude).

Maybe it's because they are the 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation in Thailand and the Chinese that moved to Thailand were Buddhists just like the Thai.

Post: #68

The test button is a circuit breaker.
Turn on the heater and water (don't get under the shower yet) and push the button.

Post: #69

(09-14-2017 09:11 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  So Thailand economy is controlled by Chinese thais?

Correct.

Post: #70

(09-13-2017 11:54 PM)MRG1946 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 11:45 PM)lodzoser Wrote:  ... experiences with Chinese Thai ... What kind of experiences? Business or relationship? Any example of bad to neutral experiences?

Thank you for asking.
This is an important topic for long-stay expats in Thailand.
I have a very long list, mostly business, but some relationship.

But I'm not going to post on the public forum here.
First, there is a forum rule to avoid discussing race as race.
Second, on any public forum these days, there are many, many, "volunteers" in the Politically Correct Police.
No need to stir up that hornets nest, eh?

So, if you are interested in discussing that topic, I invite you to PM to me.
Anyone else interested in this topic, too.

I think that you are really broadening a very narrow restriction on the discussion of race in the forum. Thoughtful comments on how to successfully navigate and immerse yourself within a culture by discussing a sub-culture (Chinese Thais) clearly do not violate this rule. Moreover, a discussion of ethnic-Chinese Thais is a discussion of a nationality or ethnicity (Chinese), not race. So, fear not. I enjoy your insights. Interesting thread. Forum Rule #3:

Quote:3. No race or political baiting. It's okay to talk about race if that's the topic, but no geo-political discussions on why one race is superior or inferior to another or why an upcoming race war in X country will be bad. Newbies under 50 posts are not allowed to participate in race or political discussions.

Post: #71

Are there any cities worth checking out in Thailand outside of Bangkok, or are they all too small?

I'm looking to set up base for a month or two in somewhere affordable, but prefer not to live in a glorified suburb.

Post: #72

(09-15-2017 12:34 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  Are there any cities worth checking out in Thailand outside of Bangkok, or are they all too small?

I'm looking to set up base for a month or two in somewhere affordable, but prefer not to live in a glorified suburb.

Chiang Mai in the North is very popular with both tourists and expats.
I've spent a few weeks there over two long vacations to Thailand and while the busy metropolis life of Bangkok is overall more to my liking, Chiang Mai is a very nice, laid back and decently sized (a few hundred thousand if I remember correctly, not including the droves of tourists and expats) city surrounded by beautiful mountain nature. Lots of arranged tours of all kinds - river rafting, tiger parks, elephants (I'm never going there again, what a sad experience), ATV, hiking etc. - if you want to do the touristy stuff.

Post: #73

I was in Bangkok recently and out of the many cities I've been to I strongly rate it as the worst place I've been to. I hope I never have to live there.

. The traffic is terrible. Cabs take forever to go anywhere.

. The city is gloomy. I don't know if it's pollution or what but at 6pm everything has this ugly yellowish tint.

. Thais really don't strike me as an intelligent bunch. They also don't speak English.

. Dirty.

. I don't like the women. Again, they look like a low intelligence bunch. Talk all you want about how that doesn't matter but even MRG admitted that he gets bored with them intellectually.

. Cockroaches. In bathrooms, in showers. I'm taking big ass mofos.

. Read bad things about mosquitos and disease.

But I make good cash in US and I never stay without a woman, so I don't see why I would go to Thailand.

Just another point of view for guys who have never been to Bangkok.

I'd take eastern Europe jumping out of joy, compared to Bangkok.

Post: #74

(09-15-2017 09:49 AM)GreenHills Wrote:  I was in Bangkok recently and out of the many cities I've been to I strongly rate it as the worst place I've been to. I hope I never have to live there.

. The traffic is terrible. Cabs take forever to go anywhere.

. The city is gloomy. I don't know if it's pollution or what but at 6pm everything has this ugly yellowish tint.

. Thais really don't strike me as an intelligent bunch. They also don't speak English.

. Dirty.

. I don't like the women. Again, they look like a low intelligence bunch. Talk all you want about how that doesn't matter but even MRG admitted that he gets bored with them intellectually.

. Cockroaches. In bathrooms, in showers. I'm taking big ass mofos.

. Read bad things about mosquitos and disease.

If that is what you think about Bangkok then stay far away from Jakarta or Manila.
You would hate it.

Bangkok traffic is easy compared to those two cities.

Post: #75

@MRG1946
Welcome to the forum.

You have handled yourself well in this thread. Please keep posting. I think you will be an asset to the forum.