Post: #51

This dude is basically Carlo from the Godfather. He was allowed to earn a living but was never part of the family business and, ultimately, got whacked.

A lot of dudes seem to think that he stepped into a fortune - he'll be given a palace with servants and private planes and a gold plated Mercedes. I just think that's wildly unrealistic.

He's a guy who landed a fairly attractive woman from a wealthy family, that's it. Even then she's fully westernized, 31 and he had to change gods for her. Literally the only thing worthwhile about Muslim culture is that their women are kept in line, and he doesn't even have that going for him.

Post: #52

I'm giving this guy props for a smart hustle. It's funny hearing dudes talk about him "converting" to Islam as if he was some kind of fanatical religious nut who sacrificed his soul for the Malaysian royal pussy by converting. The guy was no more Christian before than he is Muslim now. The "conversion" carries about as much weight as John Liebowitz changing his name to John Stewart and should be seen in the same exact light. "Converting" to Islam in exchange for injecting yourself and your future lineage into Asian royalty was just about the biggest no-brainer ever for a 28 year old dude with no wealth and no prospects besides his fading looks.

What was he supposed to do, marry some sloppy, big boned white girl and live like a peasant in Hollandistan? It's a rhetorical question, clearly marrying into rich Asian royalty is the shiniest Golden Ticket he (or his haters) was ever likely to be presented with. The girl may be 3 years older than him but a rich, upper-class Asian woman will look better 10 years from now than any same-age sloppy white girl he might have married.

Plus, I'm giving him credit for representing Team You're a Fucking White Male! with this devious act of cultural imperialism. I doubt any SJW hearts were warmed by this romantic story heh.

Post: #53

Those things can also be seen from a long-term viewpoint towards his future family.

Net worth of the Sultan is 1.5 bio. $ with actual businesses being operated - so real money-making wealth plus connections. He does not seem to overspend.

Once you reach real upper class, then with modern money management it takes centuries for your progeny to descend to upper-middle class. Sure - wars and catastrophes could come, but those fortunes nowadays are usually widely spread and even if one part of the business gets completely wiped out, then the family is left with some spare 200 mio. $.

Thinking of your descendants centuries in advance is not a bad idea - double so since he might actually love that girl.

Post: #54

Islam allows slave girls and concubines so he won't be limited at all.

Post: #55

Not so long ago, when Dutch men wanted exotic pussy, spices, silk and riches from Malaysia, they took their sabres and guns, sailed the vast ocean on beautiful, majestic wooden ships, and took by force what they wanted (converting the locals to Christianity in the process).



Now, they shave their chests and post numerous cute pics of themselves on instagram, convert to Islam, then wait for some rich Malay heiress to bite. Perfect illustration of the decadency of the White man.

Post: #56

(08-27-2017 04:05 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  This dude is basically Carlo from the Godfather. He was allowed to earn a living but was never part of the family business and, ultimately, got whacked.

A lot of dudes seem to think that he stepped into a fortune - he'll be given a palace with servants and private planes and a gold plated Mercedes. I just think that's wildly unrealistic.

He's a guy who landed a fairly attractive woman from a wealthy family, that's it. Even then she's fully westernized, 31 and he had to change gods for her. Literally the only thing worthwhile about Muslim culture is that their women are kept in line, and he doesn't even have that going for him.

Exactly!

This guy won't have any influence over the Sultan, he is no Rasputin.

The Sultan and his sons will continue to run the show, while this Dutch guy is nothing more than a puppet whose job consist of taking cute pictures with the Princess, making babies to her... and that's about it!

He is now a Muslim. Does it mean he can have multiple wives and bang girls on the side? No, the Sultan will protect his daughter and would never allow it (or the Sultan’s sons when he passes away). On the other hand, if the Princess gets tired of her Dutch toy-boy, she can go to the bars, and have fun with a younger Italian gigolo.

Will he have access to plenty of cash? Yes, but under THEIR conditions. It's basically some pocket money. Being financially dependent on your wife is one of the most effeminate way to live. Some of you think he hit the jackpot, I know he did money-wise, but he traded his freedom and his masculinity along the way.

Post: #57

A lot of you guys are reaching. I mean - jesus: "traded his freedom and his masculinity along the way"??? This is serious hating at its finest.

What gives you the impression you actually have any clue what you're talking about in this particular case? The problem with discussion forums is often that fellas get the idea that they are in the know enough to comment on just about anything even with so many unknowns at play.

Hate to be a dick but seems like a lot of mental masturbation going on here - you don't honestly have to argue a concrete opinion on every buzz story that hits the news. I will say that there are cases throughout history of men from humble backgrounds using their charisma to game women like this and doing very well with this kind of setup, even repeating the process with multiple rich and powerful women throughout their lifetime. There are obvious pitfalls, but it's not a given that he'll crash and burn or even have to serve up his masculinity on a platter, as you suggest, or that he'll be some errand boy subject to the every whim of the royal family.

So, unless you have some unique insight about this guy or this particular Sultan and his family, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that knowing a thing or two about game means you can assume anything at all about what this guy has walked into and what he'll accomplish with it. And I'd wager him and his woman knew a lot more about the specifics than us when they decided to take the plunge.

Maybe he made a mistake. Maybe he struck gold. Who knows.

Either way, no one here can possibly predict how this will turn out for him. Live and let live, I say - hope he pulls it off.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #58

I disagree, BB.
We don't really need more data on this case. It is 95% clear what the local Muslim rulers will give to this handsome "gringo-farang-long nose or whatever they call him" (who by the way conveniently took away from the father the burden of the 31 years old unmarried princess). They will give him zero power, zero say in the affairs of the province, and more importantly, zero money to his name. The local Muslims will be very careful, and ensure that the "hardly Muslim", non-hajj gringo will never run away with money or jewels.

How do I know all that? Because I know that Muslims are not the stupid, open-minded, tolerant sissies that we Westerners are. They won't let a gringo fuck them over, no sir. The Dutch dude will give them pale handsome babies, and never be free again (or if he escapes, he'll escape empty-handed).

In any case, you're right, I don't especially like the guy. Should I like an apostate, having abandoned our common ancestral religion? Who does, in this world? Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, all hate apostates, why should the Christians be the only tolerant, weak victims? I mean, I have nothing against atheists, but apostates...

And in my book, a man makes his woman enter his own religion, certainly NOT the other way round.

Post: #59

You could seriously raise the osmolarity of the Dead Sea with the amount of salt in this thread. When talking about his life this guy can say "And then one day I traveled to Asia and seduced the daughter of a rich and powerful Malaysian sultan." Any hater here can top that line? "At least I didn't convert to Islam" only works for the religious nuts and I thought this was a travel and game forum, not the official discussion board of the Southern Baptist Evangelical Church or Christians United for Israel.

But yeah, this guy is a loser with a capital L because although he fucks and rubs shoulders with billionaire foreign royalty he-wait for it-doesn't rule any Malaysian provinces as a result of his marriage to the sultan's daughter! If only he had married some random Dutch 8 from down the street instead of the Malaysian billionaire's daughter he would surely be well on the way to leading not just some puny Malaysian province but the entire Free World! So yeah, only a retard would choose not even ruling a Malaysian province when so many much better alternative were so obviously on the table. What a cuck!


Seriously though...what this guy is doing is in the absolutely finest thread of the swashbuckling Western tradition. Going overseas as a random swinging dick and marrying into the ruling classes of foreign cultures is just about the second best thing from taking a small crew of renegades and subjugating those foreign nations and races completely in defiance of all the odds. Sure, this dude is no Francisco Pizarro, but who is? Going from bag-lady's son to a sultan's son in law is nothing to sneeze at.

Post: #60

If there's anything to quibble with here, it's that she gamed him.

This dude just lucked out on finding princess jasmine in a bar. If this was really some psy-ops player shit I'd give him mad props, but I actually think it's just a case of some tall, pretty white dude getting lucky twice.

In Holland you're dating war pigs two points down, so I don't blame him. Depends how he plays it from here on out.

Germany, Holland and Scandinavia are the best sources for tall, beta pretty boys. It's the SEA for rich eastern women tired of the carousel. Roosh hit the nail on the head there.

Post: #61

(08-28-2017 07:41 PM)Going strong Wrote:  And in my book, a man makes his woman enter his own religion, certainly NOT the other way round.

That's certainly the case in a lot of Asian cultures, and if they're relaxed about the woman converting, the kids will definitely follow the father's religion.

Good luck to him and he did well, but her family has him by the balls - but some guys are OK with that...

Post: #62

Can't believe some guys here think that girl is pretty.

That guy is a male prostitute.

Post: #63

(08-28-2017 11:47 PM)joost Wrote:  Can't believe some guys here think that girl is pretty.

She's a quickly aging 5.

Post: #64

(08-26-2017 11:29 AM)kosko Wrote:  Next, this like getting toys in the sandbox, false appearance of abundance when you are contained to a tight space. I would not imagine this royal family is like the Saudis who buy new cars every day and piss all over whores. They likely are more like the British Royals who have staff give then allowances/stipends and track and manage every penny that goes in and out. You want to fly to NYC to watch a Knicks game and some loser wealth manager has to crunch numbers and sign off on it. Basically you are a child. Fuck that.

This is spot on. Quoted for truth.

I have mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, this dude has done something very few other guys in the world would ever have the chance to do - marry into a royal family worth billions.

He will definitely live in a luxurious mansion, eat the finest food imaginable and have servants tending to him 24 hours a day. He will also have fame and the utmost respect from the local populace.

However, on the other hand, he has completely lost his freedom. This Malaysian ruling family are not stupid. There is no way that this guy would have any money or assets put into his name.

He would have no real power or influence. He will receive a relatively small allowance and all of his spending would be tracked. He will need to ask for permission to go anywhere and he will constantly be accompanied by guards watching his every move.

If he were to try to escape from this marriage, this family would probably try to kill him. For this ruling family, it will look extremely bad PR wise for a young, good-looking European guy to marry into the family and then desperately try to escape. They'll lose so much credibility. If he escapes alive, he'll escape with nothing.

Post: #65

(08-28-2017 07:06 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  A lot of you guys are reaching. I mean - jesus: "traded his freedom and his masculinity along the way"??? This is serious hating at its finest.

What gives you the impression you actually have any clue what you're talking about in this particular case? The problem with discussion forums is often that fellas get the idea that they are in the know enough to comment on just about anything even with so many unknowns at play.

Hate to be a dick but seems like a lot of mental masturbation going on here - you don't honestly have to argue a concrete opinion on every buzz story that hits the news. I will say that there are cases throughout history of men from humble backgrounds using their charisma to game women like this and doing very well with this kind of setup, even repeating the process with multiple rich and powerful women throughout their lifetime. There are obvious pitfalls, but it's not a given that he'll crash and burn or even have to serve up his masculinity on a platter, as you suggest, or that he'll be some errand boy subject to the every whim of the royal family.

So, unless you have some unique insight about this guy or this particular Sultan and his family, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that knowing a thing or two about game means you can assume anything at all about what this guy has walked into and what he'll accomplish with it. And I'd wager him and his woman knew a lot more about the specifics than us when they decided to take the plunge.

Maybe he made a mistake. Maybe he struck gold. Who knows.

Either way, no one here can possibly predict how this will turn out for him. Live and let live, I say - hope he pulls it off.

Aye - or as I heard another rich man say once:

"With my very own hands I built this empire by..... marrying my wealthy wife."

Time will tell what happens. Also you guys have to remember that some men just want to have a calm and happy life with no stress. They are content to play golf, play polo, travel the world, read books and play Playstation - and to fuck his princess and have babies. The pocket money he gets is sufficient to him.

I even heard from some female celebrities that thet had men make such offers to them! "I stay at home, work out and take care of the kids and you go and have your career." These were statements made by very good-looking men who just wanted to have their pocket money and be with the celeb-chick.

Of course we understand the danger of the psychology and I fully agree. But in history it was rather more common for the self-confident Alpha man to marry a rich girl. And those guys stayed self-confident and began to make themselves useful.

Post: #66

Some people say Donald Trump was helped more by his fathers contacts, then his fathers financing. The Dutchman has that now.

The Dutchman can now make business deals with extremely important people from across the world and build up his own financial independence. The fact he gets love, a family and acceptance out of it is a bonus.

Whereas before, he was his landlord and banker's little bitch. Poverty is the opposite of freedom.

Post: #67

(08-28-2017 08:51 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  You could seriously raise the osmolarity of the Dead Sea with the amount of salt in this thread.

he fucks and rubs shoulders with billionaire foreign royalty

It seems almost impossible to criticize anything or anybody on the forum, without some posters hurrying to reply, "Oh you're jealous, you're salty". Childish analysis from them indeed: grown men can criticize without being "salty or jealous". Just calmly disapproving, and explaining why.

He "rubs shoulders with billionaire", sure, but some don't seem to understand that it does not mean, securing money of his own...

Rubbing shoulders with uber-rich people, brings you no money, as rich people are in 99% of the cases, very tight and shrewd with their money. Rub them as much as you want, their money won't magically "osmolarize" into your own bank account.

Anyway, obvious facts: the Muslim sultan knows that it would be catastrophic if the Dutch dude ever ran off into the sun with money or jewels. Absolute lost of face for the Sultans. So, they will prevent him from securing money or even escaping. Because it's now a State matter of upmost importance, that the non-hajj won't run away.

Post: #68

(08-27-2017 04:34 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  What was he supposed to do, marry some sloppy, big boned white girl and live like a peasant in Hollandistan?

Ummmmm I dunno perhaps he could read Rvf to learn game and then partner with a beautiful small boned white girl like his descendants did and also earn his own money like a fucking man, pretty simple really.

(08-28-2017 05:06 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Not so long ago, when Dutch men wanted exotic pussy, spices, silk and riches from Malaysia, they took their sabres and guns, sailed the vast ocean on beautiful, majestic wooden ships, and took by force what they wanted (converting the locals to Christianity in the process).

Now, they shave their chests and post numerous cute pics of themselves on instagram, convert to Islam, then wait for some rich Malay heiress to bite. Perfect illustration of the decadency of the White man.

Hahahha so true

(08-27-2017 04:05 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  He's a guy who landed a fairly attractive woman from a wealthy family, that's it. Even then she's fully westernized, 31 and he had to change gods for her.

He "landed" a mediocre Malay much biologically older than himself, and then converted to a cult. Only a sissy man cares to marry into money, a real man earns his own.

(08-28-2017 06:46 PM)Soyouz Wrote:  Will he have access to plenty of cash? Yes, but under THEIR conditions. It's basically some pocket money. Being financially dependent on your wife is one of the most effeminate way to live.

Exactly

(08-28-2017 07:41 PM)Going strong Wrote:  How do I know all that? Because I know that Muslims are not the stupid, open-minded, tolerant sissies that we Westerners are. They won't let a gringo fuck them over, no sir. The Dutch dude will give them pale handsome babies, and never be free again (or if he escapes, he'll escape empty-handed).

In any case, you're right, I don't especially like the guy. Should I like an apostate, having abandoned our common ancestral religion? Who does, in this world? Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, all hate apostates, why should the Christians be the only tolerant, weak victims? I mean, I have nothing against atheists, but apostates...

And in my book, a man makes his woman enter his own religion, certainly NOT the other way round.

100% ^

Post: #69

Man, this thread got so salty, so fast. Guys, relax. Honestly, whenever I find myself reacting this much to shit that has nothing to do with me, I try to figure out why I'm so bothered.

I don't see why we're so down on this guy. He is not some dude who seemed to have had a bright future, so he parlayed his looks into a marriage into a family worth a lot of money. Why is this such a bad thing?

Hundreds of years ago guys would marry their sons off to women in the hopes of increasing their family's lot, why is not permissible now?

This dude straight up seduced the daughter of a Sultan. That's pretty high-level shit and I wanna know how he did it.

Post: #70

I see both sides of the argument here, but remember the red pill analysis says the person with more power does whatever they want in the relationship... where is this man's power? She has the money, the connections, and all of society to back her up.

If she ever turns sour on him, for any reason, he's a person non grata overnight.

If I was in his shoes I'd definitely feel paranoid about the entire situation. I'd know if I piss off princess, even accidentally, that's the end of the magic carpet ride. I wouldn't feel secure at all.

That said, I'd do it if I was in his position anyways even though I'd think the marriage would fail (although I'd never renounce Jesus even if they call me Muslim). The fact is he'll have incredible stories to share with the buddies after it's all over. That alone makes it worth.

Post: #71

(08-28-2017 11:47 PM)joost Wrote:  Can't believe some guys here think that girl is pretty.

That guy is a male prostitute.

The guy's probably got a case of yellow fever, otherwise he wouldn't have been there in the first place. She's a 5 to a 7+, depending on how afflicted one is with the aforementioned condition...

He'll get a very comfortable life and a cushy job, like vice-consul in Amsterdam, or a fancy management job in charge of one of the sultan's properties. If he genuinely likes her and has a family bent, then he's really got it made and is set for life. If he's a player/gold digger, he'll probably end up divorced, out of the country and locked out from seeing his children.

An upper class woman from S-E Asia is a lot less likely to be a gold digger or to become a conniving feminist, they've had exposure to the West but will only latch on to the more traditional end of western values, and not so much the year zero crap.

Post: #72

(08-29-2017 10:55 AM)Samseau Wrote:  I see both sides of the argument here, but remember the red pill analysis says the person with more power does whatever they want in the relationship... where is this man's power? She has the money, the connections, and all of society to back her up.

He's a taxi ride from Singapore airport for a quick flight back to Holland if he wants out.

Worse case scenario, he loses a few years and gains a few value-demonstrating stories.

(08-29-2017 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  The guy's probably got a case of yellow fever, otherwise he wouldn't have been there in the first place. She's a 5 to a 7+, depending on how afflicted one is with the aforementioned condition...

I'd say 7 is fair, but she looks great for her age.

He's more goodlooking, but it's not extreme like below

Post: #73

(08-29-2017 08:04 AM)Jungle Wrote:  He "landed" a mediocre Malay much biologically older than himself, and then converted to a cult. Only a sissy man cares to marry into money, a real man earns his own.

You know Malaysia is the fattest country in Asia right? I live here and she's pretty good by Malay standards but still only a 6 at best compared to what you have just a quick flight away in Indonesia. Not to mention the likes of Vietnam, Thailand, China etc where 8s and 9s are abundant for any man of value.

Post: #74

She has a hardcore Malaysian look, it won't be for everyone. She is pretty but much better talent lurking around Kuala Lumpur. I wouldn't call her ugly but she isn't a smoke show either. She is thin, well kept, and cultured, her big flaw is her age.

Post: #75

She's got a doofy face and pointy elbows -- 2/10 WND (would not dagger). His looks are overrated too. No wonder he has to go to Malaysia to model. He would be modeling as a waiter if he tried to make it in New York or Paris.