Post: #26

She isn't. A few aren't. Id agree that its mostly lower class singer except its hard to define those lines. Most who have genuinely good voices arent i guess. But Haifa wehbe for example used to be. And shes one of the most famous.

A few actresses too, some quite talented, either were involved or still are.

Its an ugly business. And unfortunately more and more college girls are getting sucked into that world. People in the entertainment business lure them in and next thing you know theyre wearinbg 100k watches and having regular dubai trips. I hear even college girls in the west are getting regularly recruited.

If you see a girls instagram with frequent dubai trip pics, chances are shes working. A lot of western instagram "models" too

Post: #27

Excellent datasheet.

As a teenager I was a frequent visitor; I would spend a big portion of the summer in Beirut and a week or so skiing during the winter. However, I relied mostly on forming a small social circle to get the flag. It certainly makes me feel bad. After going through all that to get the flag I find out a fake ID would've been enough.

Oh yes, I'm so privileged you literally can't even.
Interested in joining the FFL? I tried (and failed).

Post: #28

I think he is referring to non-celeb singers. The ones singing in venues men frequent. I remember near the beach there were "clubs" full of singing chicks. I think they could be bought for a price.

Post: #29

Didn't realise Haifa Wehbe was. Must say Beirut is definitely on my places to visit list.

Post: #30

Is it even safe to go to Lebanon? There have been spillovers from the Syrian civil war.

Post: #31

(02-07-2015 08:25 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  Is it even safe to go to Lebanon? There have been spillovers from the Syrian civil war.

Its safe NOW. Things could go downhill fast though. The spillovers happened in areas where you arent likely to be. Lebanon is weird in that its so small but sometimes feels like 100 countries in one. During the 2006 war people in the regions other than the south were still partying every day...

But theres a lot of tension and talks of escalation on the border now from ISIS and Nusra so who knows....

I recommend coming in summer anyway, hopefully things would get clearer by then.

Post: #32

nice datasheet!
Im going to Beirut in a few days to stay for 3 weeks. I'm staying with a girl i met online and she lives with her family. I'm pretty sure i've got my flag guaranteed but its almost annoying how clingy this girl is..
Still, id rather stay with a hot lebanese girl who is super into me than pay crazy prices for hotels. I want to visit the Phonecians ruins and other places outside of Beirut too while im there. Is there any places you'd say are a definite no-go?

Post: #33

parts of Tripoli can be a bit sketchy and stay away for north-east border region with syria.... other than that all is ok there (relatively speaking)

the girls family is going to allow you to sleep in the same room as her?

Post: #34

I've been to Beirut, for a good friend's wedding.

He hooked us up with one of his family friends aka our driver/bodyguard/badass. He was barely 5 foot and 120 pounds maybe soaking wet. He broke up a fight in a diner. Not like a western bar fight; these guys whipped out guns.

Seems like that kinda shit is normal there though. I had a great time.

Remember that Beirut may be the Vegas of the Arab world. In the city center outside of one of the largest clubs was parked many a Porsche and Ferrari. The owners are crown princes that come there to party away from the spotlight.

We sped and flipped off some cops as well. They don't give a shit with regards to speeding.

The wedding was up in the mountains there and that was a treat unto itself.

If anyone is seriously thinking of going, let me know.

Post: #35

I have a week to kill between two times needing to be in Dubai, wondering if this is a good place to hang out?

Post: #36

(04-04-2017 11:30 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  I have a week to kill between two times needing to be in Dubai, wondering if this is a good place to hang out?

It certainly is. Beirut is the coolest city in the Middle East, with the possible exception of Tel Aviv. Jerusalem and most of Israel are fascinating to visit, but there is a very tense and militarized vibe to the place. Jordan can be interesting for a week, but is generally boring as fuck and very Islamic. Turkey could be cool, but there seem to be terrorist attacks every other week.

Beirut, and almost all of Lebanon, are actually pretty safe to visit. Excellent vibe, beautiful historical buildings/artifacts, great food and ease of partying. I spent an entire summer in Jordan, I probably would have done it in Lebanon otherwise if I could have swung it. With regards to the ladies, I didn't spit much game while I was there. There are tons of foreigners there regardless -- lots of French girls and artistically inclined women from all over the world -- Beirut seems to be a prominent city for the arts.

Post: #37

Agastya there arent many foreigners at all. Usually its the loner chick. Wouldnt say theres a big expat or touristic community at all since a long time here.

You may have mistaken french speaking lebanese girls (theres tons of them) for french girls?

Post: #38

(04-09-2017 09:41 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Agastya there arent many foreigners at all. Usually its the loner chick. Wouldnt say theres a big expat or touristic community at all since a long time here.

You may have mistaken french speaking lebanese girls (theres tons of them) for french girls?

Beirut seems to be a pretty popular place to learn Arabic -- I visited the Saifi Institute for language learning in Gemmayze. Tons of blonde girls and other obvious foreigners. There are also plenty of foreign Arabs, I met a girl from Tunisia and a cutie from Egypt there as well. The hostel I stayed at was buzzing with foreigners generally.

Post: #39

Ah yeah the hostels and arab learning school will be of course.

But the ratio of foreigners in the city as a whole is small.

Post: #40

anybody have any recent data on Beirut here? I'm considering a trip to Beirut around November-December.. gonna see if my company can score me a round trip to Beirut sooner if there's a short non-stop flight from/to Dubai

Post: #41

(04-25-2017 03:26 PM)bumborass Wrote:  anybody have any recent data on Beirut here? I'm considering a trip to Beirut around November-December.. gonna see if my company can score me a round trip to Beirut sooner if there's a short non-stop flight from/to Dubai

A few places closed/ a few opened but i think the sheet is still pretty good.

Some new places:

Seven sisters: Good outdoors place/lounge type in Biel, Beirut seafront.

Pre: Rooftop Lounge in Beirut

Few places in Dbaye 10 mins from Beirut: Killer Queen, Raw, etc...

Few bar clusters in Dbaye as well: The Village.

Electronic music clubs i may not have mentioned:

The Garten: Cool place in Biel next to seven sisters. Its an outdoors summer place, young crowd and lots of foreigners as well. Techno music until the morning.

Grand factory: Electronic music club in Beirut.

C U Next Sat is some sort of event every saturday, i think it changes venues every week or something, summer only. Young crowd.

Iris beach now has music every friday until midnight, pretty cool spot for an evening beach party.

Let me know what else you need.


In general though i would recommend coming from May-September. Beaches + OUtdoor venues >>> winter vibe.

Although last few years november and december were good weather too.

Post: #42

(04-26-2017 10:51 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 03:26 PM)bumborass Wrote:  anybody have any recent data on Beirut here? I'm considering a trip to Beirut around November-December.. gonna see if my company can score me a round trip to Beirut sooner if there's a short non-stop flight from/to Dubai

A few places closed/ a few opened but i think the sheet is still pretty good.

Some new places:

Seven sisters: Good outdoors place/lounge type in Biel, Beirut seafront.

Pre: Rooftop Lounge in Beirut

Few places in Dbaye 10 mins from Beirut: Killer Queen, Raw, etc...

Few bar clusters in Dbaye as well: The Village.

Electronic music clubs i may not have mentioned:

The Garten: Cool place in Biel next to seven sisters. Its an outdoors summer place, young crowd and lots of foreigners as well. Techno music until the morning.

Grand factory: Electronic music club in Beirut.

C U Next Sat is some sort of event every saturday, i think it changes venues every week or something, summer only. Young crowd.

Iris beach now has music every friday until midnight, pretty cool spot for an evening beach party.

Let me know what else you need.


In general though i would recommend coming from May-September. Beaches + OUtdoor venues >>> winter vibe.

Although last few years november and december were good weather too.

this is awesome. Props!

So I found out I won't be able to go while I'm away at work, therefore I'll definitely have to wait until early-mid November at the earliest to go to Beirut.

Post: #43

Shoutout to Beirut for being an awesome host for my trip to his home city.

Guy went out of his way to show me and Brisey around town. No other RVF member has gone as much out of their way to be such a great host.

First night I arrived he took me around a few of his favourite spots and wouldn't let me pay for a thing. Guy has the place on lockdown, knows where to go on which nights and seems to have friends everywhere. Another day he picks us up and drives us two hours to the beach and gave us a tour around the old city of Byblos. Last night manages to get a spot for us at the hottest place in town and two comped bottles.

Definitely owe you a good time and more than just a couple of drinks when you finally make it over to Jakarta mate. Cheers.

Post: #44

I'm planning to visit Beirut later this year too. What were your impressions regarding the quality and receptiveness of the women there (compared to Europe/Asia)?

Post: #45

Was a pleasure meeting irish and brisey. Two top dudes and what the forum is all about.

Brisey is sharp as fuck both in style and game. Irish has mastered nightgame and both can operate inside a club on a very impressive level. But underneath it all theyre just there to have a good time and are very genuine down to earth dudes who appreciate camaraderie as well as women.

And finally i witnessed someone get the flags! hope you guys will be back

Post: #46

(08-18-2017 12:30 PM)Beirut Wrote:  Was a pleasure meeting irish and brisey. Two top dudes and what the forum is all about.

Brisey is sharp as fuck both in style and game. Irish has mastered nightgame and both can operate inside a club on a very impressive level. But underneath it all theyre just there to have a good time and are very genuine down to earth dudes who appreciate camaraderie as well as women.

And finally i witnessed someone get the flags! hope you guys will be back

Thanks again matey, had a absolute blast.

Post: #47

I had to sign up to this forum solely because of Lebanon and Beirut. I put so much weight behind these words -

They have, clearly to me, the best looking people on earth - men and women - presuming you enjoy their gene pool. (For perspective, I consider runner-up countries to be South Africa, Brazil, Eastern Europe for women. I'm not into men, but it's hard to find 'ugly' in Lebanon amongst the younger crowds.)

And yet - *every* single good looking man I've encountered (20x better looking than me), they *all* employ a 'best friend tactic', being the first to laugh at a girl's joke, or make the type of negs she'd expect from a 15 year old; further, finding out what cartoons or music she likes, and then incessantly talking about those things.

Then I come along, 5'4, terrible facial hair, terrible fashion, white as milk, a mop of hair like Harry Potter - no tactics, just no fawning either - and the most beautiful girl out of the best group I've tagged along with is begging for me. This is a group full of 6ft, brown, dark facial haired, high-humour guys vs. a 5'4, humourless but sharp, intense guy. (Outside of this particular girl, who's LTR material, I've never had so many women respond positively to skipping small-talk and starting intense.)

Also - out of *everywhere* I've been (most stable countries), *nowhere* has had the vast amount of women with career roles that are actually interesting. Girl A - Nutritionist Researcher & Fitness Coach. Girl B - Film producer. Girl C - Developing Blockchain apps - etc.
I suppose this level of 'culture' comes from being the most liberal country in the Middle-East, meaning even higher intelligence than super-powered Israel, due to being exposed to more experiences and influences.

All of them speak English, all of them are waiting for a man who's merely read a single chapter of any Red Pill content - all of them are liberal, all of them are witty, and unfortunately, obviously, because of everything I've said...

All of them have a princess complex. All of them suffer being called beautiful by their male friends every single day.

Which on the flip side, makes it easy for some of us.

They're all dreaming of leaving the place for Europe or the US, but during your time there, and if they come back to a place near you, you'll be a whole new experience for them - exotic, and masculine - and they'll probably view you as a life long friend or fuckbuddy, depending on your game, with no more intention of using you for finance than any average woman.

In love with Lebanon. Nevermind the perfect weather, good food, & great conversation.

P.S. - Apparently, alongside the 5m Lebanese, there are 1m Syrian refugees - and while i haven't spoken to any, I've seen a few, and they trumped even the Lebanese on looks alone. They won't have much going on 'upstairs' in the brain department, but they're treating their time in Lebanon as a long spring break; they don't know the locals, & they finally have a level of security and fun.

It's simply an incredible place to be if you're one of the many men who's worried about all paradises becoming lost.

Post: #48

I will come to Beirut one day, I have done a lot of research on it out of interest and having a few Lebanese friends I know about the country. I remember in school this older Lebanese girl with huge titties and cute accent saying habibi always talked to me, the girls are really good looking. Cool that you enjoyed it, is it easy to get your flag and did you get yours? Also can you compare this country in terms of culture/women/food to Turkey in any way?

Post: #49

(04-09-2018 03:41 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  I will come to Beirut one day, I have done a lot of research on it out of interest and having a few Lebanese friends I know about the country. I remember in school this older Lebanese girl with huge titties and cute accent saying habibi always talked to me, the girls are really good looking. Cool that you enjoyed it, is it easy to get your flag and did you get yours? Also can you compare this country in terms of culture/women/food to Turkey in any way?

Their 'habibi' type words really are endearing.
I've not got my flag. I think this is a place where if you see/talk to a girl for a month, then, she'll open her legs for you for as long as you wish, presuming you don't somehow kill the attraction. Where other countries may spread their legs easier, they also fly away easier - but my understanding, based on observation and a little psychology, is that these girls intend to keep you around one way or another once you've wormed your way into their life. They bond quickly - best friends become best friends very fast - and they probably 'fall in love' very easily.

I'd say compared to Turkey, there are a few obvious differences. Turkish women have larger noses on average and darker skin; Turkish women don't dress with the same flair or individual personality, and are less flirtatious; above all, the Turkish women are no doubt more 'ashamed' of being with a foreigner - and even a man who is local - whereas in Beirut, it's actually a good thing to be a foreigner, and a good thing to be a sexually charged man. Drinking is very popular in both places, but I'd say you're more likely to make a friend for life after a night out in Beirut - they just exude a different level of friendliness compared to almost anywhere (the guys).

I'd say Beirut is more Westernized. There's more musicians/goths/rockers/skaters/tech-heads/painters/stoners compared to Turkey. I've spoken to a few Lebanese girls who I honestly thought were from California before it became evident otherwise. That said, there's far less beautiful, expensive architecture to enjoy, and in that aspect, Turkey is more Western, in the sense of 'Western' being 'first world'. If you ask everyone in the West to list all the countries that they know, most people will no doubt list Turkey before they list Lebanon - so in /that/ sense, it's safe from a certain Western poison.

On that previous note re: California Lebanon girl - compared to Turkey, including all the beautiful beach destinations, surprisingly small Beirut seems to attract a far more interesting bunch of people. You have divorced MILFs on the prowl from neighboring Arab countries; you have French painters because for some reason, Beirut is slowly developing an image as the 'new cool place' for artists (plus, they speak French there); you have Roosh members going there to game, in numbers we won't find in Turkey (due to the women being seemingly more difficult, and not as attractive); and profoundly, for some reason, the IQ in Beirut is just...high. Higher than average. Regardless whether we're talking Turkey or any other country - nowhere seems to have such a high ratio of people with their heads screwed on properly, with their hearts minimally tainted by the worst of the West.

The weather is more cool, and refreshing compared to Turkey. Less people, less cars, more open space, right by the water, hills and valleys nearby - it's a beautiful spot. You can be discussing a start-up venture in the city with tech heads at 2PM, and by 2:45, be sat in a vineyard within view of the city, sharing food with a beautiful woman.

Re: the food. Turkish and Lebanese food is very similar, and i'd call both places 'typical Middle Eastern' when it comes to cuisine. Lots of salads, rice dishes, couscous - but with Turkey, there's slightly more 'heat' and perhaps flavours in general - and with Lebanon, slightly more 'floral' flavour (cardamom), with less heat, and less 'new' exotic flavours to figure out, but no less enjoyable.
One big (to some lol) difference, is that Turkey don't really do falafel. And then the final difference i can think of is that Lebanon make 'lighter' versions of whatever contains yogurt, butter, sugar, cream - they'll always opt for olive oil, dates, etc. instead. Less gut-busting and greasy (which i personally enjoy in Middle Eastern cuisine, mmm.)

Post: #50

Very interesting observations montaigne. I agree with almost all of it.
Lebanese value education a lot, even the uneducated parents push their kids to get good degrees.
For a long time the only degrees seen as worthy were doctor-engineer-lawyer.
Lebanese do tend to be smart individually a lot, their success as expats in business and elsewhere is remarkable. Although we are total idiots at building a decent state/country.


It is worth noting that the Lebanon that you see in the nightlife/restaurants/cafes etc... isnt all of Lebanon. There are many in other cities who are radical, or idiots, etc..
Theres a lot of different cultures and scenes crammed into one country.
Some guy might come in Beirut and walk Hamra and only meet very conservative girls, another might meet 5 total sluts that will jump his dick that same day.

My life here has been much of the same variation. I think to really get the full experience you have to stay here a long time, because if i divide my life into monthes, one month can be radically different from the next (in term of girls). I have grown weary of it because my ROI almost everywhere is better, but i must admit this stupid country has its unique charm despite its drawbacks.


In the last few years, nightlife has become more friendly and less show-offy but has gone down in quality noticeably. The cream of the crop seem to always be traveling, the top lebanese clubs have invaded and focused on Dubai now where all the money, the economy is in bad shape. A few years ago the nightlife was much better.


As far as your experience, if you enter a social circle, again you have a total spectrum of variation regarding that specific circle's attitudes towards sex.

I would say being a foreigner in that situation is a kind of being stuck in the middle because you dont get the advantage of being a foreigner in terms of "i can have sex with him anonymously and noone will ever know about it" and you also dont get the advantage of being here for a long time.

Its better to use that circle to meet other girls than to focus on the girls within it unless theyre a wild bunch.