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Zigzag Wrote:No matter how you try to spin it... nazism is a non-starter.

I have an information for you.

Few years back I had hard time finding some Reich themed wallpaper. Today? Memes and shitload of videos everywhere. Have you seen internet lately, Pewdiepie for example.

You know how it goes, first there is an emotional attachment to the history but after certain time there is nothing. 50 years after Napoleon died a lot of people thought that he was a very evil man, but now?

10 million people or 100 million, none of it matters, once the emotional sticker of piles with dead jewish bodies will be too distant, once the hollywood movies become more and more boring, the only thing left will be the edginess of the issue.

In 100 years for sure there will be no stigma to it and maybe it even starts with this generation, slowly, but starts.

Just wait, it will be fun to use word "jew" like everyday light-insult, because it will be edgy.

Basically every organisation for last 10-15 years is trying to do their best not to have any possible connection with Third Reich so they don't give food to the media, but this will change.

Edit : As long as there will be Europeans, there will be those evil nazis and racists. Time to make your peace with that or plan to end the whole breed.

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The Australian Media, doing what it always does:

Quote:"Charlottesville, Virginia, scene of violent white supremacist march amid calls to secede from United States"

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(08-12-2017 02:54 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Does the car having 'dodge' written on it count as fair warning?

Post: #130

Bit of gallows humor, this is Dodge's Twitter page right now



It's still up right now, and they're still tweeting at the hashtag #RoadkillNights.

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This was insane. It's one thing to not put up a fight against antifa but the police? Nobody expected that really. Police said they were willing to protect them even if they didnt have a permit.

Something changed.

According to the Baked Alaska stream, several antifa got clocked.

Oh and everyone is denouncing the altright's (defensive) violence, except Trump.

Post: #132

(08-12-2017 04:52 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  None of these "volkish" groups use the Swastika, they use various runes, mostly runes or the black sun or similar. None use swastikas that's for sure.

I really doubt any legit right winger would use a swastika. This guy looks older so it is possible he is a (((stormfront))) type nazi, but just as likely a provocateur.

Someone find me some of these nazis?

One picture of swastika? That's all there is, do we even know it is from this march?

One guy had a swastika flag, so you have a point.

I am kinda getting past optics at this point. Not that they don't matter but I don't think it actually makes a difference and it too quickly ends up with the right salami-tacticing itself

Post: #133

(08-12-2017 03:22 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  Those Nazi flags and banners, whether edgy or trollish are an absolute PR disaster.

Nazi anything is a non starter. Yes I'm aware we are called nazis all the tine. Doesn't mean we say, "Ah fuck it," and show up places sporting swastika arm bands and flags.

I sympathize and agree with much of the alt right, but the Nazi stuff has to end. We can't have a negative identity that's based on blame.

If all the problem races and groups go away, what then are they left with? It's the same essential problem with BLM. If all the white people they blame for everything suddenly vanished, what would their identity look like?

It's a shame more people haven't taken Jack Donovan to heart. White identity of any kind, let alone any ethnic and group identity has to be purely about pride, not constant jew, black, etc bashing.

Immigration or not, the race purists need to take a look at history again and realize that what it means to be "white" will change just like it did for the italians, greeks, irish, slavs, Argentines, mixed race, and even the Arabs here.

I'm glad there are a handful of posts in this thread, like this one, that condemn identity politics from all sides. Otherwise, this event, and this thread, just reminds me why even though I agree with a lot of the Alt-Right, I don't associate with them.

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I'm with the damn the optics crowd. One retard with a Swastika does not represent the whole 500 people in attendance. There were definitely a lot of confederate flags but the basis of the event was protesting the removal of Lee's statue so that makes sense.

The actions of the government were egregious. They shut down a lawful/permitted protest and allowed the Antifa to rampage unchecked.

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To repeat yet another thing I've said at least a dozen times on the forum, you don't get to opt out of identity politics.

Perhaps counterintuitively, identity politics are about how other people view you. It doesn't matter if you think you're part of their group if they don't think so, and just declaring your neutrality will get you exactly nowhere if they perceive you as belonging to a hostile group.

When someone declares war on you, you can't just decline to participate. Unless you want to be slaughtered, of course.

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Vox Day hammers home weambulance's post above by predicting that at least some White fathers with mixed-race daughters are going to be shocked when those daughters chose non-White identity.

"You're not my father" won't be for stepfathers and adoptee fathers anymore.

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Fox News reporting a "Police helicopter crash at a white nationalist rally", as if there was an SS Neonazi cosplayer at the rally who shot down the police helicopter with a sniper rifle. Fuck these shameless propagandists.

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The left are all having hysterics over how Trump won't name White Nationalists.

Like he's ever named Antifa.

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I half expect the cops to say the helicopter was shot down by a 50 caliber rifle just to push gun control.

It was probably actually a loose bolt or something like that. Had a friend who was working a geology job in the wilderness some years back and after getting dropped off by helicopter at the site, when the pilot was taking back off there was this loud bang, the helicopter flipped over backward under power and smashed into the side of the mountain. The pilot died, of course. Scary stuff, it was very lucky the crew had just gotten off or there would've been about six dead people.

Given my history it's kinda weird that I've never been in a helicopter but I'm perfectly fine with it. They're flying deathtraps if you ask me.

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Trump naming Antifa would be a bad move, would give them more power.

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^ Great, then Antifa have more power than the guy who claims he'll 'make America great again'.

Ah well, maybe 2020.

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(08-12-2017 06:23 PM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  I'm with the damn the optics crowd. One retard with a Swastika does not represent the whole 500 people in attendance. There were definitely a lot of confederate flags but the basis of the event was protesting the removal of Lee's statue so that makes sense.

The actions of the government were egregious. They shut down a lawful/permitted protest and allowed the Antifa to rampage unchecked.

So?

You need to learn how to separate the two issues.

Here's two ideas:

1) A small number of idiots with Swastikas doesn't invalidate the general point being made.

2) Said idiots with Swastikas are harmful to the cause and aren't any better than the Antifa types when you get right down to it as both are totalitarian ideologies.


One can cogently believe both points.

Quote:Perhaps counterintuitively, identity politics are about how other people view you. It doesn't matter if you think you're part of their group if they don't think so, and just declaring your neutrality will get you exactly nowhere if they perceive you as belonging to a hostile group.

Within the same conversation that's true.

If you don't like the conversation, then change the conversation. One area that Trump has been massively a letdown is that his initial message of "America first" and accompanying focus on national identity was a huge unifying counter to that. Shifting the conversation from one of warring identity groups to "we're all Americans" is an extremely powerful message and the only rhetorical way to beat progressive propaganda.

The Neo-Nazi types have already lost because they're accepting that frame and working within the rules set for them by the cultural marxist left.

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(08-12-2017 06:30 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Vox Day hammers home weambulance's post above by predicting that at least some White fathers with mixed-race daughters are going to be shocked when those daughters chose non-White identity.

"You're not my father" won't be for stepfathers and adoptee fathers anymore.

I'm actually really concerned about this, as most of my ex-girlfriends have been Asian.
(I'm a self-hating ranga who doesn't want ginger kids )

I live in Australia, so I'll have to budget private school as non-selectives are crap, and selectives are full of cram-schooled Asians, many of whom self-segregate, even after graduation.

When did wanting your future child to be proud of who they are become a bad thing?

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I can separate them. Don't you think the media would have called them Nazi's regardless if the couple of actual Nazi's showed up? They called fucking vanilla Romney a Nazi.

(08-12-2017 06:55 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 06:23 PM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  I'm with the damn the optics crowd. One retard with a Swastika does not represent the whole 500 people in attendance. There were definitely a lot of confederate flags but the basis of the event was protesting the removal of Lee's statue so that makes sense.

The actions of the government were egregious. They shut down a lawful/permitted protest and allowed the Antifa to rampage unchecked.

So?

You need to learn how to separate the two issues.

Here's two ideas:

1) A small number of idiots with Swastikas doesn't invalidate the general point being made.

2) Said idiots with Swastikas are harmful to the cause and aren't any better than the Antifa types when you get right down to it as both are totalitarian ideologies.


One can cogently believe both points.

Quote:Perhaps counterintuitively, identity politics are about how other people view you. It doesn't matter if you think you're part of their group if they don't think so, and just declaring your neutrality will get you exactly nowhere if they perceive you as belonging to a hostile group.

Within the same conversation that's true.

If you don't like the conversation, then change the conversation. One area that Trump has been massively a letdown is that his initial message of "America first" and accompanying focus on national identity was a huge unifying counter to that. Shifting the conversation from one of warring identity groups to "we're all Americans" is an extremely powerful message and the only rhetorical way to beat progressive propaganda.

The Neo-Nazi types have already lost because they're accepting that frame and working within the rules set for them by the cultural marxist left.

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EDIT: Never mind.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

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Reminder, Terry McAuliffe, the Viginia governor is a bigly Clinton lackey.




He was chairman of the Democratic National Committee from 2001 to 2005, was co-chairman of President Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign, and was chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.

He's slime too.

Quote:McAuliffe had a prolific fundraising career within the Democratic Party, and a personal and political relationship with Bill and Hillary Clinton.[13] McAuliffe and his staff raised $275 million, then an unprecedented sum, for Clinton's causes while president. After Bill Clinton's tenure ended, McAuliffe guaranteed the Clintons' $1.35 million mortgage for their home in Chappaqua, New York. The deal raised ethical questions.[27][28] In 2000, McAuliffe chaired a fundraiser with the Clintons; setting a fundraising record of $26.3 million.[29]

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Post: #148

(08-12-2017 05:48 PM)Ocelot Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 02:54 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Does the car having 'dodge' written on it count as fair warning?

Typical Ohio driver.

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https://webmshare.com/g891y

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ESPN ran 'news' about the 'white supremacist event' on their score ticker in between MLB scores lol. Like oh no!

In July alone 410 were shot in Chicago, 74 dead. But goddamn if those white men ban together! everyone flee!