Post: #1

I have been using the forums for sometime now and have finally decided to write up my own datasheet for somewhere that doesn't have one.
I have lived in Belfast in Northern Ireland for most of the last ten years. UK and Irish women get a (fully deserved) bad rep but I think sometimes it is overstated. It's no Poland/Ukraine/Russia but going by some peoples comments, you would think there are no attractive women here and that is definately not true.

LOGISTICS:
Belfast is a city of about 300,000 people. This depends on how far out the centre you still call the city etc... The main areas of the city with bars etc... are all easily very walkable. You will only really be in the centre or the south of the city. You would have no need to get taxis or buses once you arrive from airport.

GETTING IN:
There are three main airports that you might land in if you are heading to Belfast:
'George Best' Belfast City Airport - Take the metro bus 600 which are every 20/30 minutes to the city centre and costs £3.60 for a return. Should only take 15 mins.

Belfast International Airport - Metro 300 to the city centre and run every 15mins. £10.50 for a return and takes around 45mins to centre.

Dublin - I almost always fly from here. Many more routes and you can get either the aircoach to Belfast for around 23 euro and takes just under 2 hours or from the cross border bus service. There are discounts for booking tickets online in advance.

ACCOMMODATION:
You can of course use airbnb for apartments though there aren't too many. You can also find apartments on gumtree available to rent on a monthly basis. Sometimes these are only rooms in a larger house but they would be much cheaper than an airbnb rental. If you prefer to stay in hotels then my options would be:

Premier Inn - Close to the Cathedral Quarter area
Ramada Encore - Also in the Cathedral Quarter area
Etap - Very cheap hotel right in the university area and next to one of the best bars/clubs full of students so good for logistics
Europa hotel - Once called the most bombed hotel in Europe (They actually told this to guests as they checked in)

NIGHTGAME:
The nightlife options are in two main areas - the university area and the Cathedral Quarter

University:
The Bot - Very popular, especially with students during the university term. Downstairs is a large, bar. Upstairs has a club.
The Parlour - Student bar and nightclub
Laverys - One of the largest and several outdoor smoking areas too
Thompsons - Open until 3AM and right beside City Hall. Usually a lot of underage people here but as close to a sure thing as you will find in the city.
Filthy McNasties - Right in the student area and lots of outdoor areas too. Can be quiet until after 10PM at times.
Alibi - New two floor club with three-floor smoking terrace.
Limelight - A favourite of every student in Belfast. Wide range of people but mostly known as rock/alt crowd.

City Centre/Cathedral Quarter:
Love & Death Inc - An intimate and fun club hidden away from the Cathedral Quarter.
Ollies - Ollie’s club at The Merchant Hotel is quite a lavish space with lots of deep red velvet and leather seating, mahogany walls and restored original vaulted ceilings. Also features a discreet VIP members bar.
Dirty Onion - Again a large outdoor area. Inside is very dark which could be good or bad
The Grand National Cafe - Bar with large outdoor area and a club that is open until 3AM. People get dressed up to go here but largely in groups.

DAYGAME:
Botanic Gardens - Public garden park near to the University
Victoria Square - The 'premier' shopping centre/mall in the city. The streets outside it are pedestrain only and are actually better than the shopping mall itself in my opinion
Royal Avenue - Probably the street with the most people beside city hall. Probably too busy in a way and not always the best looking people!
Botanic Avenue - Close to University accomodation with some bars and restaurants/cafes nearby. Probably the best spot to find a student and go for a instadate.
Dublin Road - At the end of Botanic Avenue is Dublin Road. This leads into the city centre and can be good spot
Cathedral Quarter - The narrow alleys of this area can be good especially in the evenigns. There is an upmarket area called "St Annes Square" which has a couple of restaurants and cafes. There is also a gym if you want to appraoch people as they go in/come out.

FOOD:
Generally the breakfast food options are fried foods with the following options being good value:
Bright's Restaurant
Maggie Mays
The Mad Hatter

For something more substantial as lunch or even dinner you can go to Boojum, a mexican buritto bar with huge portions for decent price and they even do beer. There is a small cafe/restaurant in the city centre called Grapevine specilaising in gumbo, chillis and chowders.

For those wishing to splurge a little more, you can also have:
Apartment - cocktail bar and restauarnt right beside the city hall
Scalini - Good Italian restaurant in the university area
The Merchant Hotel - Belfasts most expensive hotel and cocktail bar. This once held the world record for the most expenisve cocktail in the world

My favourite place for food at the weekends in St George's Market which runs on a Friday to Sunday every week.

So yes while Belfast may not be the best location to go to, it does have some plus points and the fact that everything is central is of course an advantage. Any questions let me know and I'll try to help.

Post: #2

The northern coast was absolutely stunning in Northern Ireland. The weather is perfect in the summer when its sunny.

The girls were probably the ugliest in all of Europe. Ireland and the UK would be a big step up. I did get some hot tinder matches though.

Maybe because I was on the Protestant side?

Post: #3

(08-11-2017 06:58 PM)godzilla Wrote:  The northern coast was absolutely stunning in Northern Ireland. The weather is perfect in the summer when its sunny.

The girls were probably the ugliest in all of Europe. Ireland and the UK would be a big step up. I did get some hot tinder matches though.

Maybe because I was on the Protestant side?

Ireland and the UK aren't much better. The British Isles are pretty much the ugliest corner of Europe, genetically, due to thousands of years of inbreeding and bad weather. The islands never got the regular invasions that everywhere else in Europe got to spice up the gene pool. And a pretty shitty climate on top of that leads to paleness and fatness.

Northern Ireland and Northern Scotland are just the most extreme examples of it, given they're the furthest North and most isolated.

Post: #4

(08-12-2017 06:29 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 06:58 PM)godzilla Wrote:  The northern coast was absolutely stunning in Northern Ireland. The weather is perfect in the summer when its sunny.

The girls were probably the ugliest in all of Europe. Ireland and the UK would be a big step up. I did get some hot tinder matches though.

Maybe because I was on the Protestant side?

Ireland and the UK aren't much better. The British Isles are pretty much the ugliest corner of Europe, genetically, due to thousands of years of inbreeding and bad weather. The islands never got the regular invasions that everywhere else in Europe got to spice up the gene pool. And a pretty shitty climate on top of that leads to paleness and fatness.

Northern Ireland and Northern Scotland are just the most extreme examples of it, given they're the furthest North and most isolated.

I'm not denying British girls are ugly relative to some other European nations, but this is pure psuedo-science.

Explain why Scandinavian countries are so highly rated if the weather is a reason for British women's apparent ugliness?

The British Isles are one of the most invaded areas in the world, it's just that since we became powerful in the middle ages no-one has invaded since. But we arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans.

The reason is most likely down to poor diet, lack of exercise and the welfare state allowing the ugliest people in society to have a disproportionate amount of babies.

Post: #5

(08-12-2017 10:30 AM)britchard Wrote:  I'm not denying British girls are ugly relative to some other European nations, but this is pure psuedo-science.

Explain why Scandinavian countries are so highly rated if the weather is a reason for British women's apparent ugliness?

The British Isles are one of the most invaded areas in the world, it's just that since we became powerful in the middle ages no-one has invaded since. But we arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans.

The reason is most likely down to poor diet, lack of exercise and the welfare state allowing the ugliest people in society to have a disproportionate amount of babies.

The weather is the reason for British/Irish women's paleness and chubbiness, not their ugliness. Scandinavian countries receive far more sunlight hours on a yearly basis than the UK/Ireland, hence their relative lack of paleness and chubbiness. 1,821 hours a year of sunlight in Stockholm vs 1,265 hours in Glasgow for example. Thats a massive difference that results in the population being both far more tanned, and much more likely to have a beach body.

The British Isles, under no quantifiable metric, are "one of the most invaded areas in the world". Try comparing the number of population influxes in the last 2000 years in the British Isles to Serbia. Or the Lebanon. And this is completely born out in genetic diversity statistics, where the UK/Ireland most certainly do not "arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans." Heres a genetic map of Europe by haplogroup:



Spain is the only country less genetically diverse than any of the constituent nations of the British Isles. And at that, its only worse than England. This lack of genetic diversity plays a huge role in the plainness of British and Irish girls. Essentially, inbreeding is very bad. The poor diet and lack of exercise just serve to make the girls of poor genetic stock even worse looking than they already are - the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Post: #6

(08-12-2017 12:08 PM)zatara Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:30 AM)britchard Wrote:  I'm not denying British girls are ugly relative to some other European nations, but this is pure psuedo-science.

Explain why Scandinavian countries are so highly rated if the weather is a reason for British women's apparent ugliness?

The British Isles are one of the most invaded areas in the world, it's just that since we became powerful in the middle ages no-one has invaded since. But we arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans.

The reason is most likely down to poor diet, lack of exercise and the welfare state allowing the ugliest people in society to have a disproportionate amount of babies.

The weather is the reason for British/Irish women's paleness and chubbiness, not their ugliness. Scandinavian countries receive far more sunlight hours on a yearly basis than the UK/Ireland, hence their relative lack of paleness and chubbiness. 1,821 hours a year of sunlight in Stockholm vs 1,265 hours in Glasgow for example. Thats a massive difference that results in the population being both far more tanned, and much more likely to have a beach body.

The British Isles, under no quantifiable metric, are "one of the most invaded areas in the world". Try comparing the number of population influxes in the last 2000 years in the British Isles to Serbia. Or the Lebanon. And this is completely born out in genetic diversity statistics, where the UK/Ireland most certainly do not "arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans." Heres a genetic map of Europe by haplogroup:



Spain is the only country less genetically diverse than any of the constituent nations of the British Isles. And at that, its only worse than England. This lack of genetic diversity plays a huge role in the plainness of British and Irish girls. Essentially, inbreeding is very bad. The poor diet and lack of exercise just serve to make the girls of poor genetic stock even worse looking than they already are - the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Well it depends on what you mean by an invasion... in terms of military invasions, we are quite high. I agree mainland Europe may have more mixing of different ethnic groups.

However as a Brit it is usually quite easy to work out your genetic background. Most of us are a mix of Celt, Saxon (Germanic), Roman and French.

I agree with your points about Ireland and Northern Scotland having the least genetic mixing though.

Although I find it hard to believe that in a country with a historically large population, that inbreeding where the parents are closely related enough to have a bad effect on the child's facial features would occur more than in other places.

Malnutrition and city dwelling in the 18th and 19th century may be a factor.

Post: #7

(08-12-2017 12:28 PM)britchard Wrote:  Well it depends on what you mean by an invasion... in terms of military invasions, we are quite high. I agree mainland Europe may have more mixing of different ethnic groups.

However as a Brit it is usually quite easy to work out your genetic background. Most of us are a mix of Celt, Saxon (Germanic), Roman and French.

I agree with your points about Ireland and Northern Scotland having the least genetic mixing though.

Although I find it hard to believe that in a country with a historically large population, that inbreeding where the parents are closely related enough to have a bad effect on the child's facial features would occur more than in other places.

Malnutrition and city dwelling in the 18th and 19th century may be a factor.

It doesn't really "depend on what you mean by invasion", no. Even in terms of pure military boots on the ground the British Isles are nowhere near "one of the most invaded areas in the world". Compare how many times Jerusalem, or Warsaw, or pretty much any central continental European city for that matter, has had foreign troops marching through it in the past 2000 years to London. Or to the even more isolated Belfast, or Glasgow. You'll find its a [b]lot[/i] more common elsewhere. The British Isles are one of the least militarily invaded regions of Europe, not the most.

Having a large population, malnutrition or city dwelling are not a factor in the lack of genetic diversity. It stems from, exclusively, a lack of historical immigration flows from other genetic population groups. Which has traditionally, in other regions, come from military invasion.

This is getting slightly off topic, but you came into the thread hot, throwing accusations of "pseudoscience" at me. Yet you were completely, empirically, wrong on pretty much everything you've claimed so far:

- The British Isles are "one of the most invaded areas in the world".
- Scandinavia has similar weather to the British isles
- The British Isles "arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans".

etc. You should really do some actual factual research before calling out other people in future, to make sure your points are even partially valid.

Post: #8

(08-12-2017 10:30 AM)britchard Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 06:29 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 06:58 PM)godzilla Wrote:  The northern coast was absolutely stunning in Northern Ireland. The weather is perfect in the summer when its sunny.

The girls were probably the ugliest in all of Europe. Ireland and the UK would be a big step up. I did get some hot tinder matches though.

Maybe because I was on the Protestant side?

Ireland and the UK aren't much better. The British Isles are pretty much the ugliest corner of Europe, genetically, due to thousands of years of inbreeding and bad weather. The islands never got the regular invasions that everywhere else in Europe got to spice up the gene pool. And a pretty shitty climate on top of that leads to paleness and fatness.

Northern Ireland and Northern Scotland are just the most extreme examples of it, given they're the furthest North and most isolated.

I'm not denying British girls are ugly relative to some other European nations, but this is pure psuedo-science.

Explain why Scandinavian countries are so highly rated if the weather is a reason for British women's apparent ugliness?

The British Isles are one of the most invaded areas in the world, it's just that since we became powerful in the middle ages no-one has invaded since. But we arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans.

The reason is most likely down to poor diet, lack of exercise and the welfare state allowing the ugliest people in society to have a disproportionate amount of babies.

There are studies that confirm that up to 70 to even 95% of some areas of the isles are still made up genetically from the same people prior the invasions.. its the pre-germanic/pre-celtic peoples, lets put it simple.. maybe those brythonic, gaellic peoples including the famous picts werent the most genetically gifted people when come to aesthetics.. afterall they came from areas in atlantic seaboard (northern spain western france..and were there for thousand of years before they arrived to the british Isles). Most of the genepol of modern slavics (poles,czech, russians,etc) and germanic peoples (germans, dutch, scandinavians) by that time migrated from central asia through the caucasus entering from east europe. A few groups like British, Irish and Basques are Isolated peoples compared to other Europeans when it comes to history of migrations. Weather has nothing to do, Netherlands has uncanny weather from many areas of the British Isles, however Dutch overlap a lot in looks with Scandinavians and Germans from the North, meanwhile british people are clearly identifiable from any other European group.

Post: #9

(08-12-2017 12:28 PM)britchard Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:08 PM)zatara Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 10:30 AM)britchard Wrote:  I'm not denying British girls are ugly relative to some other European nations, but this is pure psuedo-science.

Explain why Scandinavian countries are so highly rated if the weather is a reason for British women's apparent ugliness?

The British Isles are one of the most invaded areas in the world, it's just that since we became powerful in the middle ages no-one has invaded since. But we arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans.

The reason is most likely down to poor diet, lack of exercise and the welfare state allowing the ugliest people in society to have a disproportionate amount of babies.

The weather is the reason for British/Irish women's paleness and chubbiness, not their ugliness. Scandinavian countries receive far more sunlight hours on a yearly basis than the UK/Ireland, hence their relative lack of paleness and chubbiness. 1,821 hours a year of sunlight in Stockholm vs 1,265 hours in Glasgow for example. Thats a massive difference that results in the population being both far more tanned, and much more likely to have a beach body.

The British Isles, under no quantifiable metric, are "one of the most invaded areas in the world". Try comparing the number of population influxes in the last 2000 years in the British Isles to Serbia. Or the Lebanon. And this is completely born out in genetic diversity statistics, where the UK/Ireland most certainly do not "arguably have the most diverse gene pool of all Europeans." Heres a genetic map of Europe by haplogroup:



Spain is the only country less genetically diverse than any of the constituent nations of the British Isles. And at that, its only worse than England. This lack of genetic diversity plays a huge role in the plainness of British and Irish girls. Essentially, inbreeding is very bad. The poor diet and lack of exercise just serve to make the girls of poor genetic stock even worse looking than they already are - the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Well it depends on what you mean by an invasion... in terms of military invasions, we are quite high. I agree mainland Europe may have more mixing of different ethnic groups.

However as a Brit it is usually quite easy to work out your genetic background. Most of us are a mix of Celt, Saxon (Germanic), Roman and French.

I agree with your points about Ireland and Northern Scotland having the least genetic mixing though.

Although I find it hard to believe that in a country with a historically large population, that inbreeding where the parents are closely related enough to have a bad effect on the child's facial features would occur more than in other places.

Malnutrition and city dwelling in the 18th and 19th century may be a factor.

The genes that dictate physical appearance are only a minuscle part of the DNA, so those genetic maps dont make much sense in the discussion.

Most brits are 70-90% ancient genes, pre invasion, the invasions were mostly small group of people, dont forget romans needed 2 legions to can control the british isles because they were famous for being fiery and uncontrollable..

Post: #10

Okay, so do you believe that much of the 'inbreeding' has occurred in the past 200 years, or was the damage done before that?

Post: #11

English women are by far the best looking on the British isle, simply because they are more likely to have a more diverse genealogy. I agree that British genetics are kind of fucked overall. Pale skin, flabby bodies, rough faces and poor facial features. However, I do think a lot of those traits I described are caused by poor diet, a toxic drinking culture and the general apathy British people have in regards towards maintaining their appearance. If you look at pictures of British women from the past, you'll notice how much slimmer and more attractive the average women was.

Take this video from a random street in London in the 1960s:





Notice how much slimmer and more attractive the women were? I do think British and Anglo women in general have a lot potential to be attractive if they put as much effort into their appearance as Eastern European ladies. Remember, there was a time when people thought Russian women were ugly.

Post: #12

I'll take Scotland with my circa 1200 hours of sunlight in the countryside with a lack of cultural enrichment with some of the best scenery, food and freshwater in the World. 2 Vitamin D tablets a day, some travel and like anywhere in the world if you have game, a decent body etc Scottish girls are some of the best looking if you are in their social circle. Northern Ireland is very similar in terms of social circle and sunlight but not the rest.

Post: #13

Blaming a relative lack of genetic enrichment sounds like globalist propaganda to me.

Pale skin (with a healthy glow as opposed to a prison pallor) has been deemed attractive in women in most cultures from antiquity to OKCupid. The sun tan fashion came from the era of the package holiday.

There is an abundance of 4 to 6s in Anglo-Celtic societies that would have been 7 to 9s in previous generations. The collapse in the Girl Next Door/ All American Girl/ English and Irish roses is more about poor diet:

*the Pill
*Sugar
*Alcohol
*Processed foods

This is compounded by the collapse of competition among women. How many men really like women with deep natural tans or cream applied or sun bed fake tan?

Very few.

Yet this look is persistent among women because men's standards matter very little where female competition is low. These women dress according to their peer groups and not for men.

Post: #14

Flying over to Belfast this weekend. Not that far at all (30 minute flight) but my first time going and from what I've heard very similar to Scotland. Going to The Causeway Coastal Route for a day but got some ideas for things to do from the datasheet.

Post: #15

(02-01-2018 08:20 AM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  Flying over to Belfast this weekend. Not that far at all (30 minute flight) but my first time going and from what I've heard very similar to Scotland. Going to The Causeway Coastal Route for a day but got some ideas for things to do from the datasheet.

Good luck. You will probably find the bars packed all day today as its the start of the 6 Nations