Post: #1

If we didn't think the political process in America was a joke before, this Republican Primary is proving it.

Iowa: First Romney wins, then Santorum

Florida: Supposed to be "winner take all" for delegates, now its being contested?

Maine: Three counties votes weren't counted (strong Ron Paul counties) and Romney wins by under 200 votes?

And it's so damn confusing with all these non-binding "beauty contests", caucuses, delegates; every state is different. It makes it impossible to follow. I kind of doubt there is a single person in all of America that knows exactly what is going down.

Even when political "experts" try to explain this stuff, they start stuttering and stammering like a chimpanzee on Crystal Meth.

Hell, Ron Paul's Campaign adviser is claiming they are winning all the delegates.

If more Americans cared/paid attention, everyone would be calling this thing a complete sham.

Post: #2

The entire political system is a sham.

Personally I lost faith in the system in 2004. After G.W. stole the 2000 election, the American people supposedly turned around and voted him back for a second term.

It's all bullshit, and both parties have had one thing in mind for a long time - screwing the American people for every dime, a favor to their corporate campaign donors.

Our good friends in the U.K. have had it figured out for a long while - an old anarchist poster read, "Guy Fawkes - the only man to ever enter parliament with honest intentions."

No politician in the U.S. Congress has gone there with the intent of helping the lower, middle, and working classes. Period.

Post: #3

(02-15-2012 10:43 AM)MSW2007 Wrote:  The entire political system is a sham.

It's all bullshit, and both parties have had one thing in mind for a long time - screwing the American people for every dime, a favor to their corporate campaign donors.

No politician in the U.S. Congress has gone there with the intent of helping the lower, middle, and working classes. Period.

+1!!!

Post: #4

When it takes $1B to run for president (what Obama is likely to raise, and close to what the R candidate will as well), then you know there is a problem. How can that possibly be sane? The only person I am actually interested in is Ron Paul, but I just don't see the establishment letting him win the nomination.

Post: #5

(02-15-2012 10:43 AM)MSW2007 Wrote:  The entire political system is a sham.

Personally I lost faith in the system in 2004. After G.W. stole the 2000 election,

You're welcome to be cynical, but this is a patent falsehood.

Why do you think Al Gore ONLY wanted a re-count in CERTAIN areas, but not an entire one over the entire state of Florida. Because he was so much more ethical?

Give me a fucking break.

And when the Supreme Court decided to overturn the Florida Supreme Court ruling they did so on the absolutely rock-solid constitutional grounds. The Florida Supreme Court -- a Democratic supreme court -- tried to circumvent the process that had already been established. Judges can't do that.

So this assertion is the smelliest pile of horseshit, and it is astonishing to me how people still think this. Wake the fuck up.

Post: #6

@Tenderman do you have your facts right? Gore wanted those counties to do a re-count because someone was bilking the system and many people stepped forward to testify to that. Gore actually IN FACT won those counties which means he would have won Florida. That means the 2000 election was a sham. Whether it was by the government or by some random guy, who knows, but it was a sham. Period.

Post: #7

Here we go again:

   

Post: #8

Bush didn't "steal" the 2004 election, that's a bunch of shit. Parties cannot steal general elections because the other party is there to check them.


But this republican primary is indeed a fucking joke. I think it's all rigged. Ron Paul has been cheated out of many votes and wins in different states and he's not strong or rich enough to contest them all. The party establishment will pick whoever it wants, and even if the people don't pick the "right" candidate the super delegates will do the dirty work at the actual convention.

Post: #9

G you're right - it's a sham!

Quite voting. Quit giving a fuck about these assholes - they're not going to change your life. It's a waste of your time. Vote on the local level if you want to, but a vote on the Federal level just legitimizes their system of extortion and fraud.

I'd like to see 0% voter turnout in the next Federal election. The system is so corrupt and compromised that the only way I see changing it is total delegitimization and non-compliance.





The only exception I can think of is if Ron Paul gets the nomination or runs independent - he represents a hope for real change. Otherwise, I am not voting.

Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

Post: #10

(02-15-2012 01:12 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

Take a look at their career paths. One had a lot of success in the private sector. Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” So yeah, there's a difference.

Post: #11

(02-15-2012 01:12 PM)durangotang Wrote:  G you're right - it's a sham!

Quite voting. Quit giving a fuck about these assholes - they're not going to change your life. It's a waste of your time. Vote on the local level if you want to, but a vote on the Federal level just legitimizes their system of extortion and fraud.

I'd like to see 0% voter turnout in the next Federal election. The system is so corrupt and compromised that the only way I see changing it is total delegitimization and non-compliance.





The only exception I can think of is if Ron Paul gets the nomination or runs independent - he represents a hope for real change. Otherwise, I am not voting.

Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

This video and the 'owners of america' piece by George Carlin need to be seen by the American public as a whole.

Post: #12

(02-15-2012 02:44 PM)ccurtis189 Wrote:  This video and the 'owners of america' piece by George Carlin need to be seen by the American public as a whole.

Yeah, I agree. I don't know if you know of Stefan Molyneux or Freedomain Radio - if not this one is good:





Cheers.

Post: #13

(02-15-2012 10:43 AM)MSW2007 Wrote:  No politician in the U.S. Congress has gone there with the intent of helping the lower, middle, and working classes. Period.

With entitlements and reliance on government support at an all-time high in this nation's history, I'd say that politicians have tried to help the lower and middle classes. Maybe their solutions are just wrong. Maybe 'helping' the lower class the way we do now is just not the answer.

No one in Congress wants to speak the truth -- that people have become too reliant on gov't support and have no desire to get back to work. Work? why work when I get a free handout from the government?

The working class - poor, middle AND rich - are the backbone of this country. The lower class who take freebies and pay no taxes do nothing to contribute. A nation lives and dies by its productivity, and when you have a rapidly growing class of people sucking from that productivity, the nation as a whole cannot thrive.

Post: #14

(02-15-2012 02:03 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:12 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

Take a look at their career paths. One had a lot of success in the private sector. Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” So yeah, there's a difference.

Romney made his money as a real life Gordon Gekko.

Most people have no idea how leveraged buy outs work.

If they did, they would either: a) hate Romney or b) work for someone like him. (Or both.)

I just LOL when guys who don't work on Wall Street slob the nobs of guys who do.

Post: #15

(02-15-2012 05:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 02:03 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:12 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

Take a look at their career paths. One had a lot of success in the private sector. Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” So yeah, there's a difference.

Romney made his money as a real life Gordon Gekko.

Most people have no idea how leveraged buy outs work.

If they did, they would either: a) hate Romney or b) work for someone like him. (Or both.)

I just LOL when guys who don't work on Wall Street slob the nobs of guys who do.

I spent 10 years in Banking, so I actually know what I'm talking about. Not sure if you do though.

Post: #16

(02-15-2012 12:03 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  And when the Supreme Court decided to overturn the Florida Supreme Court ruling they did so on the absolutely rock-solid constitutional grounds.

So "rock solid" that it was a 5-4 opinion?

So "rock solid" that the Court said it wouldn't have precedential value?

So "rock solid" that people who studied election law for their entire lives collectively shaked their heads?

If you like the result, cool. But constitutional law scholars do not take the court's reasoning seriously.

Post: #17

(02-15-2012 05:23 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 05:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 02:03 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:12 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

Take a look at their career paths. One had a lot of success in the private sector. Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” So yeah, there's a difference.

Romney made his money as a real life Gordon Gekko.

Most people have no idea how leveraged buy outs work.

If they did, they would either: a) hate Romney or b) work for someone like him. (Or both.)

I just LOL when guys who don't work on Wall Street slob the nobs of guys who do.

I spent 10 years in Banking, so I actually know what I'm talking about. Not sure if you do though.

In other words, you're a guy with an agenda.

Just embrace amoralism. You ripped people off for years to enrich yourself.

Oh well.

Survival of the fittest and all that.

Post: #18

Here's more on how Romney - who made his living ripping people off - is trying to steal the GOP nomination from Ron Paul:

http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-...ver-2012-2

Post: #19

(02-15-2012 05:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 05:23 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 05:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 02:03 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:12 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

Take a look at their career paths. One had a lot of success in the private sector. Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” So yeah, there's a difference.

Romney made his money as a real life Gordon Gekko.

Most people have no idea how leveraged buy outs work.

If they did, they would either: a) hate Romney or b) work for someone like him. (Or both.)

I just LOL when guys who don't work on Wall Street slob the nobs of guys who do.

I spent 10 years in Banking, so I actually know what I'm talking about. Not sure if you do though.

In other words, you're a guy with an agenda.

Just embrace amoralism. You ripped people off for years to enrich yourself.

Oh well.

Survival of the fittest and all that.

as usual, you're proving your ignorance on the subject matter

Post: #20

(02-15-2012 01:12 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Do you really think there is a difference, besides skin color, between Romney and Obama?

Of course there's differences. One plans to raise taxes on the poor and middle class while lowering them dramatically on the top 1%, and one wants to do the exact opposite.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra..._blog.html

If you are concerned with the deficit, I'd say this is a damn important difference.


And for those claiming that Ron Paul is having the election stolen from him. Gimme a break. I actually like the guy, but let's be honest here, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. His support amongst the general Republican electorate is not strong enough to ever propel him to the top. And even if he did somehow cinch it, there no way he'd win against Obama.

Post: #21

(02-15-2012 05:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  And for those claiming that Ron Paul is having the election stolen from him. Gimme a break. I actually like the guy, but let's be honest here, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. His support amongst the general Republican electorate is not strong enough to ever propel him to the top. And even if he did somehow cinch it, there no way he'd win against Obama.

It's funny...Guys say, "Paul can't win," while simultaneously using dirty tricks against him.

Why not just win fair and square?

Why cheat if he's no threat?

Post: #22

And if Paul ran as an indy it would likely guarantee Obama getting re-elected.

The problem we have is we have a big group of people that seemingly want a quasi socialist state, while no one wants to pay for it.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

And we certainly can't just keep borrowing money to pay for all the entitlement programs we have let alone expanding those programs.

Post: #23

(02-15-2012 05:50 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  It's funny...Guys say, "Paul can't win," while simultaneously using dirty tricks against him.

Why not just win fair and square?

Why cheat if he's no threat?

+1 fucking million!

Post: #24

(02-15-2012 05:50 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 05:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  And for those claiming that Ron Paul is having the election stolen from him. Gimme a break. I actually like the guy, but let's be honest here, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. His support amongst the general Republican electorate is not strong enough to ever propel him to the top. And even if he did somehow cinch it, there no way he'd win against Obama.

It's funny...Guys say, "Paul can't win," while simultaneously using dirty tricks against him.

Why not just win fair and square?

Why cheat if he's no threat?

Unfortunately thats just not the way politics works in this day and age. Obama's path to the Presidency would have very likely ended if he had lost the Senate campaign against Jack Ryan, in which he was trailing. His staff were able to get sealed divorce documents released that stated that Jack Ryan took his wife (Jeri Ryan, actress) to swingers clubs. This caused him to pull out of the election, and Obama won against the last minute fill in. When the stakes are as high as they are anything goes. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Post: #25

(02-15-2012 05:59 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 05:50 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 05:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  And for those claiming that Ron Paul is having the election stolen from him. Gimme a break. I actually like the guy, but let's be honest here, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. His support amongst the general Republican electorate is not strong enough to ever propel him to the top. And even if he did somehow cinch it, there no way he'd win against Obama.

It's funny...Guys say, "Paul can't win," while simultaneously using dirty tricks against him.

Why not just win fair and square?

Why cheat if he's no threat?

Unfortunately thats just not the way politics works in this day and age. Obama's path to the Presidency would have very likely ended if he had lost the Senate campaign against Jack Ryan, in which he was trailing. His staff were able to get sealed divorce documents released that stated that Jack Ryan took his wife (Jeri Ryan, actress) to swingers clubs. This caused him to pull out of the election, and Obama won against the last minute fill in. When the stakes are as high as they are anything goes. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Hah. I remember that campaign well.

Jack Ryan would have beaten Obama. Thus, the sealed divorce records were leaked. This killed Ryan's candidacy.

The claim is being made that Ron Paul can't win the GOP primary.

If Paul can't win the GOP primary, why use dirty tricks?

BTW, it's funny you cite Jack Ryan.

The guy was legit, except he was into some weird sexual stuff.

In the U.S., that's all it takes to kill a candidate.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbur...62680.html