Post: #26

People like Posobiec and McInnes crave Jewish approval so badly it's insane. They'll constantly talk about the Holocaust, they'll compare everyone they don't like to Nazis, and always shill for Israel.

Then a Jewish group like this calls them an anti-semite, and the one hand they'll make a big point to deny it, but then also make a big point about how the group "doesn't represent Jews", and it's been "hijacked" by "liberals". And eventually, they'll turn it around to paint Jews as the REAL victims in this situation.

It's like when some beta boyfriend hears about his girlfriend getting banged out at a party, and instantly rationalizes it saying she was "confused", and that the big mean guy at the party must have taken advantage of her, even though it's the fourth time this has happened. He doesn't like what's happening, but he's scared of the idea of a break-up, so he winds up working even harder for her approval.

This is why they're called "cuckservatives".

Post: #27

(07-21-2017 08:09 AM)SirTimothy Wrote:  People like Posobiec and McInnes crave Jewish approval so badly it's insane. They'll constantly talk about the Holocaust, they'll compare everyone they don't like to Nazis, and always shill for Israel.

Like I said before, there is no difference in the eyes of organized Jewry between say, someone like Roosh and David Duke. If you're a civic nationalist and you're white, you must be an anti-semite, or on the road to becoming one. In this line of thinking, Jews kind of reveal their own cultural crimes, because they tacitly admit that they hold all the real power in this country. Goyim taking up populism reminds them of pogroms in Tsarist Russia or Poland.

Post: #28

The ADL list is classic Jewish divide-and-conquer tactics.

If they were merely interested in denouncing "racists" and "anti-Semites," they would have lumped everyone on their hit list into the same category. This is how most leftists act when they denounce us: apply the worst label to everyone regardless of what their beliefs are or what they identify as. E.g. when Roosh gets called an "MRA" or I get called a "PUA," or when PUA Hate was called a "PUA forum" during the Elliot Rodger debacle. "I don't care what you call yourselves, you all hate women/minorities/Jews anyway!"

Instead, the ADL went to the effort of separating the alt-right and alt-lite, even delineating---almost approvingly---that the alt-lite explicitly rejects "white supremacist beliefs." Given the slipshod research that went into the article (for example, they falsely claimed I work for Red Ice and attributed a "Holocaust denial" video they did to me, and also ignored the fact that I've disassociated from the alt-right), this is... noteworthy.

The ADL designed this list with the intent of further fissuring the alt-media and setting the alt-lite and alt-right against each other. Granted, given the gay drama that Mike Cernovich and Richard Spencer have been engaging in since Heilgate, setting the two groups against each other wasn't hard, but both the alt-lite and the alt-right fell right for it. Again.

Witness: Cernovich, McInnes, Posobiec et al. trying to assert that they totes aren't neo-Nazis and comparing the ADL to Hitler, and Spencer and Hunter Wallace blithely dismissing the very real threat of assassination and intimidation that everyone on the list now faces. Remember the Family Research Council shooting? The dude who did said it was because the SPLC put them on a list of "anti-gay" groups.

These jokers are so wrapped up in their egos, so in thrall to their own defective psychologies that they can't put aside their differences for one solitary minute to recognize how they're being played.

It's difficult to not look at this farce without concluding that the Jews and the globalists deserve to rule the world. Witnessing the way people like Cernovich and Spencer act, I fully understand why Jews hold the goys in contempt. How can they not think we goyim are dumb cattle when we keep falling for the exact same tricks?

And as an aside, this is yet another branding failure for the alt-lite. Even their enemies refuse to use their preferred sobriquets of "New Right" and "Real Right," instead calling them the "alt-lite," a term that the alt-right invented to make fun of them.

They're going to be gone before the end of the year.

Also, shameless plugs: I have an ROK article about the ADL up today, and I also have a statement on the ADL's lies about being specifically.

https://www.returnofkings.com/126271/ant...t-violence
http://mattforney.com/adl-falsely-accusi...st-denier/

Post: #29

It's all just turning out to be pure, unadulterated faggotry. Utterly meaningless bitch-drama. A sideshow full of dancing clowns gathering Youtube hits and Twitter likes.

You have to wonder what the legit Aryan Brotherhood trigger men would make of this. You know. The actual white supremacists. You put some legit patched biker on a hitlist and you're going to have to buy a big fucking dog to watch you at night while you sleep.

Us? Let's all have a huge fucking laugh about how scared shitless these political bullies are of us. They only have to put us on a list and already we're fucking falling over ourselves to sell the other guy out and beg for mercy.

This nonsense is just devolving into a little soap opera for ideological children to get into schoolyard spats over. Irrelevant preening from self inflated egos suddenly flailing for having been noticed by the bad men and realising that it's not a game any more.

Fucking pathetic.

Post: #30

The Alt lite has been extremely lame and boring in the post election months. I'd like more transgressive humour.

The ADL is a joke of course. These organizations, like the ACLU, SPLC, or "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights", etc. are just enforcers of the globalist agenda. The kind of people who would take them seriously could pretty much never be won over to our side anyways.

Post: #31

^It's not that simple.

These organisations act as mafia bosses signalling who need to be taken out by any up-and-coming players in the circuit. It doesn't matter whether we take them seriously. It only matters whether some five man ANTIFA team decides that this is the week to get themselves a high profile Nazi scalp.

These organisations are the ones signalling "high profile Nazi scalp >>>here<<<".

What's pathetic is the spineless response the moment these pseudo celebrities realise what the fuck just happened. That they woke up with a much MUCH bigger target on their back.

But the Lauren Southerns and Gavin McGuinnesses of the movement are not ready for this much attention. Someone just doubled the voltage on the spotlights facing them and they melted.

Que Sera. This movement needs leaders willing to sleep with a gun under their pillow and put loyal trigger men at their disposal. Anything less is just childish play-acting.

Someone noted a Dark Knight quote about McCain. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

Well this thread's Dark Knight quote is apparently "we thought we could decent men in an indecent time."

Post: #32

Look - what McGinnes pointed out correctly is that the ADL is nothing but another globalist organisation pulling the same rank they all do. It does not matter much whether it is a globalist Ukrainian, Thai or US newspaper, TV channel or the ADL - they are all liars.

The Jewish people get the first dose of indoctrination - the country and the people get destroyed equally by feminism.

Here a channel of an excellent Israeli Red Pill shitlord: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngooRR...aCw/videos

Most Jewish secular women have a reproductive rate below that of Germany and the men get slaughtered in court not only while living in the West, but especially if they live in Israel.

I am personally a strange kind of guy who believes that the Protocols of Zion are real, who questions some points of the Holocoust (a Jewish Holocoust happened - maybe only just not exactly as told), but who also would support and fight for the Jewish people and even Israel, because I have simply 100 times more in common with them than other opposing groups: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,...88,00.html

I hate the globalist sheisters myself, but I don't blame an entire people for the actions of a few just as I don't think that all Germans are suicidal because their elite is - or that all Muslims are evil and unredeemable just because their original religion and founder is evil.

The ADL just as the Southern Poverty Lawcenter should be seen for what they are - globalist NGOs like countless others out there. They don't speak for the Jewish people just as Merkel does not speak for Germany.

Post: #33

(07-21-2017 10:05 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^It's not that simple.

These organisations act as mafia bosses signalling who need to be taken out by any up-and-coming players in the circuit. It doesn't matter whether we take them seriously. It only matters whether some five man ANTIFA team decides that this is the week to get themselves a high profile Nazi scalp.

These organisations are the ones signalling "high profile Nazi scalp >>>here<<<".

What's pathetic is the spineless response the moment these pseudo celebrities realise what the fuck just happened. That they woke up with a much MUCH bigger target on their back.

But the Lauren Southerns and Gavin McGuinnesses of the movement are not ready for this much attention. Someone just doubled the voltage on the spotlights facing them and they melted.

Que Sera. This movement needs leaders willing to sleep with a gun under their pillow and put loyal trigger men at their disposal. Anything less is just childish play-acting.

Someone noted a Dark Knight quote about McCain. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

Well this thread's Dark Knight quote is apparently "we thought we could decent men in an indecent time."

Here's the catch 22: that's exactly what the movement needs, but it's the last thing the movement wants. The childish play-acting isn't a bug - it's a feature.

Look at Roosh's experience running Reaxxion for an example of this. The GamerGate protest was about corruption in gaming journalism, all of which was coming from one particular source: ethics-free SJWs, running roughshod over an industry they cared nothing about. Reaxxion was clearly not run by SJWs, and never once did I hear a conspiracy about Roosh collecting corrupt money from game developers. And yet, Reaxxion floundered, and was viewed with suspicion by the bulk of Gamergate. Why? Because Roosh isn't childishly play-acting at life; he walks the talk.

The bulk of the people forming these online movements are just as mentally ill as the SJWs - they're living in fantasy land, only peripherally connected to objective reality. They correctly accuse the SJWs/Antifas as fabulists - but they themselves fail to uphold any sort of moral standard or vision.

A moral, virtuous leader (particularly in the Roman sense) would trigger them; force them to confront their NEET lifestyles, their failures with women, their pretensions - and so such leaders are rejected, in favour of those who enable their self-delusions.

Children and narcissists are playing around with the politics of genocide. Yeah, this is going to end well.

Post: #34

File this entire post under SPECULATION.

A Twitter and Periscope user named Ali Akbar accused the Richard Spencer crowd of collaborating with the ADL when creating their list. His "evidence" is that Richard Spencer downplayed the list, and that he got into a DM-exchange with a Richard Spencer fan over something related to a lawyer who helped produce the list.

I wasn't convinced by Ali's evidence, and I'm not yet sure whether Ali is a good source (though Cernovich likes him), but I want to post this speculation anyway.

Post: #35

Quote:The Jewish people get the first dose of indoctrination - the country and the people get destroyed equally by feminism.

This is why I'm starting to believe that the Jew's constant efforts at control is really a manifestation of anxiety, that when combined with high intelligence, creates the (((modern globalist))). In other words, the Jew mindset is high anxiety combined with high intelligence. The result is an obsession to create social structures that protect themselves, but end up having severe blowback that leads to the very opposite of their aims (getting kicked out of countries, reducing their own fertility, etc.). The only issue is how long the blowback takes to occur. We're currently in a 75-year run where they haven't had to suffer many setbacks.

Post: #36

(07-22-2017 01:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:The Jewish people get the first dose of indoctrination - the country and the people get destroyed equally by feminism.

This is why I'm starting to believe that the Jew's constant efforts at control is really a manifestation of anxiety, that when combined with high intelligence, creates the (((modern globalist))). In other words, the Jew mindset is high anxiety combined with high intelligence. The result is an obsession to create social structures that protect themselves, but end up having severe blowback that leads to the very opposite of their aims (getting kicked out of countries, reducing their own fertility, etc.). The only issue is how long the blowback takes to occur. We're currently in a 75-year run where they haven't had to suffer many setbacks.

Maybe - I think that the top globalist is a mixture of esoteric ((((globalist)))) who sees himself apart from 99,9% of all Jews and also other co-workers of theirs who were never Jewish in the first place (maybe they were truly inter-generational Luciferian devil-worshippers for all we know - or maybe they were just power hungry blokes willing to work with anyone for more power). But it is certain that they use the Jewish people as their more intelligent useful idiots to spread cultural marxism and various forms of degeneration (also they know that the Jewish people behave a bit like Freemasons having a strong ingroup obedience/loyalty to the elders - making them easier to reign in). There are quite a few Red Pill Jewish dissenters out there who pointed out various lies like David Cole or Father Nathanial - some becoming quite opposed to the Zionist globalists:



But you can brainwash even smarter populations via clever long-term manipulation - look what happened to the Swedes or Germans with IQs around 106-108 (for the new local young generation). The Jews get theirs of the leftist intellectual atheist liberal cultural marxist Holocoust one.

Post: #37

Quote: inter-generational Luciferian devil-worshippers

Trying to get on the list, are we?

Post: #38

(07-22-2017 01:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  In other words, the Jew mindset is high anxiety combined with high intelligence. The result is an obsession to create social structures that protect themselves, but end up having severe blowback that leads to the very opposite of their aims (getting kicked out of countries, reducing their own fertility, etc.).

This isn't dependent upon intelligence. I've mentioned before how dysfunctional behaviour arises out of an extreme fear of a negative outcome, which guarantees that outcome will come to pass.

Most Gays and Feminists I've met were, at best, Midwits who thought they were Intellectual Giants, and, by 40 or 60, they seem to end up exactly where they feared they would be, (irrelevant, diseased, ugly, old and alone).

This is why I've long thought that Fourth Wave Feminism will be Last Wave Feminism. It's reached the extremes of dysfunction that it can only collapse into the creation of Genuine Patriarchal Control here - (note I see genuine western patriarchy as an exaggerated myth, that didn't match the reality of exactly who controlled all the committees, institutions and, particularly, social shaming norms during my childhood).

See also: the gay community welcoming Islam, to the extreme of marching for Islam with signs saying 'Allah is gay'. We all know how this ends. Brutal persecution of gays by an oppressive religion.

I don't see what is happening to the Jews as anything different. Two segments of Judaism have kvetched whilst undermining society enough to produce a strong negative reaction, leading to an inevitable wave of - not hate - but disgust. The third segment is currently-controlling and managing that reaction to remove or depower the first two segments so that Israel is guaranteed protections as a Nation State, which the first two groups are currently-threatening. It's possible the third segment actively-encouraged the dysfunctions of the first two groups to extremes to more easily take control.

This is going to happen with or without our involvement, so I need no point in worrying about it. I accept we'll always be under some form of Jewish control: mainly because White People as a group are of lower intelligence than them; just aren't that interested in anything beyond their own superficial comforts, (I singled out Alpha Males a couple of weeks ago as abject failures in defending society); and few seem able to resist a Pavlovian drool when someone waves a dollar bill under their nose.

Despite all the oddly Pro-Nationalism but Pro-Israel figures arising world-wide, the Goldman-Sachs ties, Trump at the Wall, a uniform bipartisan house vote to increase penalties for Anti-Semitism earlier this year, and Pence's constant cocksucking of Israel on Twitter, most people won't see this.

Watch the Criminalisation of Speech about Boycotting Israel Bill. If that passes whilst everyone on the Alt-Right is distracting by Trump laying the shittalk down to some random CNN reporter, like they really matter, then you'll know who is really in control of Making America Great Again.

Interestingly, I always wondered why we were largely-left alone under Obama, then, suddenly, Roosh was attacked on organised fronts over the back half of 2015 and beginning of 2016, and, with his surviving that, more sly, subversive attacks happening over 2016.

I was mentioning how deliberate the attack was to my sister a while back - she wouldn't be offended by anything I've ever posted here - and she, (a long-time Father Nathaniel watcher), said "Did he, by any chance, start asking the Jewish Question?"

I said, "You know, I think he did."

http://www.returnofkings.com/62716/the-d...rn-culture

Like I said, what can really be done? A suggestion: the forum will most likely continue to persist if its tone is more r/TheDonald than /pol/.

Many times I've pondered the functional use of being intelligent enough to possess uncomfortable knowledge, without power or persuasive ability to transmit that knowledge to others. I suspect wisdom is learning to persist, flourish and be as free as the constantly-shifting circumstances of your society allow you to be.

The battle is not for the world, but your own soul.

Post: #39

(07-22-2017 01:29 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...
Maybe - I think that the top globalist is a mixture of esoteric ((((globalist)))) who sees himself apart from 99,9% of all Jews...

Whoa, man! Hold on there a second. I gotta keep up with the new alt trends. I don't want to fall behind.

Are we doing four brackets now? Or is that like the next layer of (((them))).

Is this some kind of ranking system? Like (((Kushner))) vs (((((((Soros)))))))?

Help a bro out here.

Post: #40

(07-22-2017 11:43 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(07-22-2017 01:29 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...
Maybe - I think that the top globalist is a mixture of esoteric ((((globalist)))) who sees himself apart from 99,9% of all Jews...

Whoa, man! Hold on there a second. I gotta keep up with the new alt trends. I don't want to fall behind.

Are we doing four brackets now? Or is that like the next layer of (((them))).

Is this some kind of ranking system? Like (((Kushner))) vs (((((((Soros)))))))?

Help a bro out here.

I think it goes like this:

(Seinfeld)
((Kushner))
(((Soros)))
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Rothsch​ild)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))​)))))))))))))))))

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((L​ittle Dark))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))​)))))))))

Fritz Springmeier however makes slightly different claims - while he goes into wild theories, the funny thing is that he actually spooked some local Satanists living in the US and landed in prison for a few years for a murder he could not possibly commit. He was released only a few years later under the same mysterious circumstances.

http://www.theeventchronicle.com/satanic...oduction/#

If you read his books it is rather one of those things that could be true, but you would not want to bet on it.

Post: #41

(07-20-2017 06:46 PM)kbell Wrote:  Never liked the ADL. Always super leftwing. If this gets people hurt or threatened I hope it blows back in there face.

I actually don't believe the ADL are really leftwing at all. They are jewish ethnonationalists who are deeply imbedded in the neocon institution. Most of their authority is derived from this association. Then they have a bunch of ivory tower academics part of the tribe who also defer to them as authority figures on "racism" or "antisemitism."

When someone pointed out the ADL are Jewish supremacists this is closer to the truth. They don't state it as such but the almost pathological way they lash out at anyone that even *hints* at criticism of Israel or zionism reveals their true intentions.

They wrap it all up in a veil of modern day "progressivism" but deep down they are very right wing. I bet if they could get away with running a death squad they would.

Post: #42

(07-23-2017 12:00 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(07-22-2017 11:43 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(07-22-2017 01:29 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...
Maybe - I think that the top globalist is a mixture of esoteric ((((globalist)))) who sees himself apart from 99,9% of all Jews...

Whoa, man! Hold on there a second. I gotta keep up with the new alt trends. I don't want to fall behind.

Are we doing four brackets now? Or is that like the next layer of (((them))).

Is this some kind of ranking system? Like (((Kushner))) vs (((((((Soros)))))))?

Help a bro out here.

I think it goes like this:

(Seinfeld)
((Kushner))
(((Soros)))
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Rothsch​ild)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))​)))))))))))))))))

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((L​ittle Dark))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))​)))))))))

Fritz Springmeier however makes slightly different claims - while he goes into wild theories, the funny thing is that he actually spooked some local Satanists living in the US and landed in prison for a few years for a murder he could not possibly commit. He was released only a few years later under the same mysterious circumstances.

http://www.theeventchronicle.com/satanic...oduction/#

If you read his books it is rather one of those things that could be true, but you would not want to bet on it.

Okay, now you're really confusing me. Does more brackets on one side than the other indicate some sort of allegiance? Nationalist control jew vs globalist control jew, for instance?

Like you might have (((((Soros)) vs ((Kissinger))))

This is all getting too confusing.

Post: #43

(07-23-2017 12:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Okay, now you're really confusing me. Does more brackets on one side than the other indicate some sort of allegiance? Nationalist control jew vs globalist control jew, for instance?

And how to tell apart the Subversive Globalist Jews from the Accidentally-Sincere Globalist Jews?

I spent a few hours reading the twitter feeds of two Jewish Girls, both in their 20's, who run two of the Jews Against Trump Organisations. I just cannot see subversive control angle in what either of them are advocating: they seem to be genuinely pro-Palestinian and are advocating that Israel starts acting as an ethical actor on the world stage.

It's like they've drunk the Goyim's kool-aid.

It's similar to how I think somewhere along the way, Anti-Authoritarian Marxism was subverted by Authoritarian Marxism, so, whilst the script sounds much the same, the point is Capitalist Companies should be more interested in acting morally than making money.

Crazy times.

Post: #44

There are also others like:

)Rob Schneider(



))Dr. Joel Wallach((





))Dr. Leonard Horowitz((





)))Rabbi Weiss(((


)))David Cole(((

http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/4775

- just kidding of course - the brackets stand for the level of opposition to the globalists.

Post: #45

I'm a little afraid of what will happen if a Jew actually voices support for Zionism but also asserts support for white nationalism.

An non-fictional case of such a ))((theoretical Jew))(( could create a matter/antimatter field that may lead to a sub-space rupture that could destroy our entire solar system.

Post: #46

Post: #47

(07-23-2017 12:22 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 12:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Okay, now you're really confusing me. Does more brackets on one side than the other indicate some sort of allegiance? Nationalist control jew vs globalist control jew, for instance?

And how to tell apart the Subversive Globalist Jews from the Accidentally-Sincere Globalist Jews?

I spent a few hours reading the twitter feeds of two Jewish Girls, both in their 20's, who run two of the Jews Against Trump Organisations. I just cannot see subversive control angle in what either of them are advocating: they seem to be genuinely pro-Palestinian and are advocating that Israel starts acting as an ethical actor on the world stage.

It's like they've drunk the Goyim's kool-aid.

It's similar to how I think somewhere along the way, Anti-Authoritarian Marxism was subverted by Authoritarian Marxism, so, whilst the script sounds much the same, the point is Capitalist Companies should be more interested in acting morally than making money.

Crazy times.

It only seems weird until you've lived it.

The part that always mystifies the average person about Jews is:

"How can they act in unison without having a central command?"

The fact is, Jews are no more rational than any other human. And like most humans, Jews lack enough self-awareness to understand or change themselves for it. The average Jew in America pushes for open-borders bullshit, then take the same Jew and throw them in Israeli and suddenly they become "right-wing." (Right and left wing are terms mostly hijacked by Jews nowadays whose meanings are gibberish.)

Many Jews are megaphones who spend all day trying to communicate and influence others, but virtually all Jews share the same problem humans in general do of a lack of self-awareness. So they remain completely oblivious to their hypocrisies and contradictions, while to the outsider it could not be more obvious due to the loud and public nature of most Jews.

The average human has tons of hypocrisy as well, but they aren't as noticeable because they aren't focusing most of their time in the public sphere. With decades of Jews occupying the central sphere of American public discourse, it was only a matter of time before the flaws became impossible not to notice.

Now that people are becoming more aware via the internet, confirmation bias will do the rest. Jews will be themselves, and people who already have suspicions about them will just become more emboldened and convinced.

I think Jews are fucked in the long run. The turning point for the public was the public exposure of CNN. Even Ann Coulter was talking about how all of CNN is run by Jews. Jews can't help but be their arrogant selves which means things are only going to get worse for them.

It's sad, and I wish there was some way to prevent the inevitable ostracization of Jews that is set to occur within 50 years, but when you try to defend Jews and then they come out publically to do yet another outrageous proclamation, or vote en masse to destroy your country - what can you do? These are massive public relation fails, such as this ADL move.

While many of the targets of the ADL may indeed go down - although Cernovich is tough enough to survive - it does not matter. The Jews look like evil scumbags, which prompts more hate and criticism of them, which means the ADL needs to denounce ever yet growing anti-semitism, which causes more people to hate, etc.

Vicious cycle that has been going on for thousands of years, well before the pre-Christ times as well. It always culminates in some kind of violence, expulsion, or other tragedy for them. Then the Jews go back to being humble, keep to themselves, until people forget about the bad times and invite Jews back into society. Whereby Jews use their verbal intelligence to manipulate the public to their advantage, and become arrogant again.

Post: #48

Samseau, are you omitting the spiritual dimension of the Jewish character because you don't believe in it, or to keep things exoteric?

Also, if you make fun of a barfing Jew, does that make you anti-emetic?

Also, there is so much going on in that post that there is no way I am liking it.

I will think about it though, which I am assuming you prefer anyway.

Post: #49

(07-27-2017 02:36 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Samseau, are you omitting the spiritual dimension of the Jewish character because you don't believe in it, or to keep things exoteric?

Jews have largely given up pretenses of spirituality nowadays. They tried to maintain it after killing Christ, even in the face of persecution from Christians, but at the end of the day they could not say who they were worshipping without looking like fools. They worshipped the "God of Israel," while sitting in lands thousands of miles away.

That is why the real push for the creation of Israel as a modern day nation state comes from the spiritual side of Judaism. Zionists are among the most traditional and observant of Jews. However, with the creation of a nation state comes the major problems that are spiritually crushing; the wars fought to preserve a state, the wealth necessary to keep it running, and the decadence that comes with success. Christians have suffered from this as well.

But Jews in particular have become victims of their own success, and what started with the rise of Marx (after Napoleon's liberation of Jews) lead to international Communism, then (((globalism))) - nothing more than a banking mafia designed around an unconstitutional law creating the Federal Reserve.

Hitler earns unending fame as having waged wars against the Jews for the first time in the modern era, which is why it is only the Hitler memes that are parroted and not any other mass murdering dictator.

So the supposed "spiritual side" of the Jews has since morphed into never ending ideological war for supremacy and control, in various manifestations - international communism, Zionism, or international usury (globalism) - which is why the average Jew could care less about the book of Deuteronomy, but far more about the books of Karl Marx, Milton Friedman, or Horkheimer, Adorno, and Marcuse.

I don't mention the spiritual side of Judaism because sadly, there isn't much to talk about. Also a surprisingly high number of observant Jews end up converting to Christ anyways. It's the ones who take the rejection of the Messiah to fanatical lengths who become the "liberals."

Post: #50

Ok, I get you.

I was thinking more along the lines of the E. Michael Jones concept of Jewishness:





I have only come across his writings recently, and his theory of what it means to be Jewish hangs together pretty well.

His main point is that the Jews were the chosen people because they had the first relationship with the true creator of the universe.

When their messiah came along, they rejected him, turning them from a beacon for humanity into a revolutionary, rebellious people because they rejected their own messiah.

So for him, the primary character of the Jew is one of rebellion and subversion because after you have rejected the messiah, what else is there to do besides seek earthly power?

And as for the Jews who converted to Christianity, well, they just became run of the mill Christians, just like any other Christian, because the point is for humanity is to become united under one god.

But then Jones takes his Christianity seriously, so you either accept or reject it, and if you reject it, especially if you are a Jew, because your own culture has been priming you for it for thousands of years, then you become nothing more than a renegade, and subversion and self aggrandizement are your only real choice.

He also argues that Judaism is actually younger than Christianity, because the old Jewish religion involved the temples and sacrifices and the ark of the covenant. Once these things were gone, so was the religion of the Old Testament.

He sees Judaism, which has no temple for sacrifices, as an upstart kind of debating society that is only a shadow of its prior self, which would make sense because after the original rebellion, most other choices are superfluous.

So that is what I meant by the spiritual aspect of the Jewish character. Not merely what they practice or what they believe; more along the lines of, what sort of spiritual forces are in play when an entire culture and people are formed in opposition to their own god?

They would be motivated by something stronger than a garden variety lack of awareness. There would be spiritual forces behind them in their opposition which would explain their superhuman abilities to influence the world.

In fact, when you look at all of the qualities Jews tend to possess: Superior intellect, high verbal abilities, the understanding of what makes people tick, and a strong sense of themselves as a common people with a common interests, a power of will bordering on stubbornness, the subtlety of mind to massage reality (subvert) rather than openly confront, you are looking at excellent qualities for a chosen people.

If they had accepted their messiah, all of these qualities would be valuable in bringing the message of the good news to the rest of the world.

It's just that after the original rebellion, all these qualities became corrupt, and were put to use denying their own savior, and gaining control in a vain attempt to make sure they never experienced the consequences of their original rejection.

If you believe that there is a spiritual aspect to all human character, even if the individuals are not consciously calling it that, the rebellion of the Jews, and their subsequent attempt to control worldly reality to evade consequences, could be seen as a deeper reason why they stay coherent as a people, and find such a cohesion and success despite their small numbers.

I like Jones' idea that while the Jews were once a people, they are now simply a spiritual concept: people who reject Jesus. That is what really binds them together.

The new Israel is the church, and is open to whoever joins.