Post: #201

Rush, I feel you but that argument essentially sounds like "he could get lucky." Yes, I can throw a punch that MIGHT knockout another fighter. Everyone has a puncher's chance, but you know you're fucked when every scenario everyone can construction where you conceivably win a fight is if the other guy is unprepared and unlucky. That's not fighting, that's gambling.

Whenever guys start talking about Conor's gonna punch from angles that Mayweather isn't used to and all that I sorta raise and eyebrow and go "wut?"

Why?

I think Pacquiao was the quintessential latino/asian swarm fighter. Just for those who aren't familiar, swarm fighters are guys who are super aggressive, throw a bajillion punches and get on the inside and (hopefully) set up a knockout.

They're famously effective against patient fighters like Mayweather--and that still didn't work.

I can't see McGregor putting on higher pressure than Pacquiao can. I simply don't see it. Pacquiao had/has god-tier footwork, power, stamina and he punches from absurd angles. Angles where you literally can't believe he can generate sufficient power to put you on your ass--but he does it. Can we honestly put McGregor's footwork, handspeed, and stamina on the level of a consummate professional boxer's? I'm gonna say no.

I don't see that in McGregor. McGregor's style is predicated on using spacing and waiting for the other guy to overextend and then landing an absurdly strong counter punch off the left hand.

Now ask yourself this: when was the last time you saw a counter puncher give Mayweather trouble? I honestly can't remember. Mayweather is probably the most patient man in the boxing game. He literally frustrated Ortiz, a world-class boxer, into illegally (and obviously) head-butting him. That's godly mindgaming and patience. The guy literally cracked and did something illegal on camera just so that he could try to get a hit in on Mayweather. Mayweather's patience is the antithesis of McGregor's punching style.

I don't see McGregor being able to make the man who doesn't make mistakes make a mistake. I really like McGregor. He's an interesting dude who brings a lot of press to fighting sports, but I think people are getting a bit high on his gas.

If you want to see what Mcgregor looks like when he's shut down (game plan denied) just watch his bouts with Diaz. Diaz stuffs all his punches, denies all his kicks and McGregor is pretty much on the defensive--and this was in MMA.

Do I see McGregor suddenly, in 5 months, learning to swarm fight? lol no
Do I see Mcgregor being more patient than the most patient fighter ever? No

I'd really love to see a good brawl but you have the ultimate counter brawler (Mayweather) vs a guy who isn't even actually a good brawler (McGregor).

Post: #202

This whole video is good but check out 1:38. Insane




Pacquiao also says McGregor has no chance.

Post: #203

Captain nailed it. Honestly, Watching these boxers box is like watching a sped up MMA video. Can McGregor Learn that level of speed in five months? Like I said, I like the guy but I don't think he can move fast enough to make it challenging for Mayweather.





More Mayweather lulz

Also see: Mayweather's sparring environment. Shit is savage and brutal. When guys say mayweather isn't a fighter, I link to his boxing club video. You know he grew up in those sorts of matches.

Post: #204

Three subtle things Mayweather does that can go unnoticed by the untrained eye:

Controls distance well
Has the ability to land inside of wide looping punches by his opponents
Great use of feigns, even if his opponents react he catches them when they reset

McGregor's aggressiveness will just get him countered all night

Post: #205

Southpaw advantage?




Fighting style, weight difference, winning. Check out the head control at 6:01.




Straight right hands, defence, power, cerebral fighter

Post: #206

(07-20-2017 10:16 AM)Fortis Wrote:  The guy literally cracked and did something illegal on camera just so that he could try to get a hit in on Mayweather.

I think you just predicted what is likely to happen in this fight.

Post: #207

(07-18-2017 07:21 PM)Soyouz Wrote:  I have a feeling this is what will happen :
-Mayweather wins an easy fight
-McGregor asks in the post-fight interview "Floyd, I had the balls to fight you in the ring, do you have the balls to fight me in the octagon?"
-Floyd agrees and both fighters make another 100 million to fight in the octagon
-Floyd loses in the octagon, UFC fans are happy
-Mayweather has enough money for another 2-3 years, then will come back of retirement for the 3rd time, or goes back to jail for beating up women

I'm going to make a decent sized bet on Mayweather at some point, but what keeps me from going all in on Floyd in this fight is the corruption that is rampant in boxing. If Mayweather takes a dive, he gets two more monster fights against McGregor. If Mayweather wins, where is his next big payday?

Unless they go to the Octagon like in your scenario.

I just hope half of Ireland comes to Vegas for the fight so I can get -500 in one of the sportsbooks there.

Post: #208

To the people who think McGregor will/can win, what it is that McGregor can do that Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao, Berto and Marquez couldn't?

And I highly doubt Mayweather takes a dive. 50-0 is too important to him. I could possibly see him going out there and letting McGregor put on a bit of a show before he massacres him though.

Post: #209

(07-20-2017 10:16 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Rush, I feel you but that argument essentially sounds like "he could get lucky." Yes, I can throw a punch that MIGHT knockout another fighter. Everyone has a puncher's chance, but you know you're fucked when every scenario everyone can construction where you conceivably win a fight is if the other guy is unprepared and unlucky. That's not fighting, that's gambling.

Whenever guys start talking about Conor's gonna punch from angles that Mayweather isn't used to and all that I sorta raise and eyebrow and go "wut?"

Why?

I think Pacquiao was the quintessential latino/asian swarm fighter. Just for those who aren't familiar, swarm fighters are guys who are super aggressive, throw a bajillion punches and get on the inside and (hopefully) set up a knockout.

They're famously effective against patient fighters like Mayweather--and that still didn't work.

I can't see McGregor putting on higher pressure than Pacquiao can. I simply don't see it. Pacquiao had/has god-tier footwork, power, stamina and he punches from absurd angles. Angles where you literally can't believe he can generate sufficient power to put you on your ass--but he does it. Can we honestly put McGregor's footwork, handspeed, and stamina on the level of a consummate professional boxer's? I'm gonna say no.

I don't see that in McGregor. McGregor's style is predicated on using spacing and waiting for the other guy to overextend and then landing an absurdly strong counter punch off the left hand.

Now ask yourself this: when was the last time you saw a counter puncher give Mayweather trouble? I honestly can't remember. Mayweather is probably the most patient man in the boxing game. He literally frustrated Ortiz, a world-class boxer, into illegally (and obviously) head-butting him. That's godly mindgaming and patience. The guy literally cracked and did something illegal on camera just so that he could try to get a hit in on Mayweather. Mayweather's patience is the antithesis of McGregor's punching style.

I don't see McGregor being able to make the man who doesn't make mistakes make a mistake. I really like McGregor. He's an interesting dude who brings a lot of press to fighting sports, but I think people are getting a bit high on his gas.

If you want to see what Mcgregor looks like when he's shut down (game plan denied) just watch his bouts with Diaz. Diaz stuffs all his punches, denies all his kicks and McGregor is pretty much on the defensive--and this was in MMA.

Do I see McGregor suddenly, in 5 months, learning to swarm fight? lol no
Do I see Mcgregor being more patient than the most patient fighter ever? No

I'd really love to see a good brawl but you have the ultimate counter brawler (Mayweather) vs a guy who isn't even actually a good brawler (McGregor).

Floyd will likely win [Which is my belief], but if Conor does, it won't be due to luck. It will be due to holes in the current structure of boxing which have been neglected due to years of thinking: "We've hit the apex of knowledge" I.E: Successful boxing looks like 'X'.

The only area of intrigue in this fight isn't: Will Conor be a good enough boxer to hang with Floyd. He won't be. The question is 'Will Conor bring something new to the game'.

That's the only question. All other discussions are pretty cut and dry. We know Floyd is a boxer 10,000x better than Conor. We know in a boxing fight he wins 99.99% of the time.

What a small contingent of people are wondering however is whether Conor, by virtue of the evolution of fighting through MMA, will bring something new to boxing.

In terms of how Conor will approach the fight. He would never 'swarm' fight period. He will fight from distance.

He isn't a true counter striker either. He actually leads. Cut's off angles and initiates the striking to force a counter. Usually through a pawing right, which won't be ineffective with a 2 inch reach advantage.

Against Diaz, his biggest issue was cardio. Conor led for the majority of both fights and dropped Nate 3 times in the rematch [Nate himself is one of Andre Ward's main sparring partners - A LHW boxer on the P4P list].

Once again however, like many things in this fight, cardio will be another unanswered question. MMA is 5x5minute rounds with grappling, leg kicks, heavy clinch work etc. Boxing is 3 minute rounds, and he'll be facing a low volume counter striker.

I've been a boxing fan for a long time and I honestly feel that it has stagnated as a sport. I feel there is nobody challenging the status quo and as a result, what works has remained the same for decades.

In virtually every other sport, there's been a constant evolution. Boxing however, is unique in that there is blind ego to what they do. Outside voices are typically shut down and it's a reason the sport itself is dying. They're an establishment of relics much like the Democratic Party.

While Conor could very well come in, be shut down within a round and take an accumulation of punches that see him stopped by the 6th, he also brings something very different to the table. We can hypothesise how ineffective it may or may not be, but at the end of the day, we need to see it to really know.

Post: #210

I think that if Floyd was fighting a Japanese schoolgirl then there would be people breathlessly explaining how the girl's slender arms might slot through Mayweather's guard, which has been tuned to counter the more meaty limbs of professional boxers, and furthermore that her long, swaying pigtails might hypnotise Mayweather with their intoxicating rhythm.



Any of these bitches obviously have a real shot of taking down a 50-0 world champion. Sorry, but Floyd couldn't handle the x-factor here. He'd be BFTO.

Post: #211

Mayweather already has shown the ability to beat the piss out of an American woman or two, so I doubt those Japanese sweethearts strike much fear into him.

Post: #212

(07-20-2017 02:05 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 10:16 AM)Fortis Wrote:  The guy literally cracked and did something illegal on camera just so that he could try to get a hit in on Mayweather.

I think you just predicted what is likely to happen in this fight.

I will be waiting for the knee to the face or the head kick.

Post: #213

What kind of odds are you guys seeing? I want to get someone to offer 1-1 and then bet on Mayweather.

Post: #214

(07-21-2017 01:56 PM)n0000 Wrote:  What kind of odds are you guys seeing? I want to get someone to offer 1-1 and then bet on Mayweather.

Go to a Mexican bar, they hate Mayweather for beating up so many Mexicans so much.....that they'll bet on McGregor 1-1.

Post: #215

The bet to make in this fight if either a Mayweather knock out or McGregor DQ.

Post: #216

(07-20-2017 10:59 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I think that if Floyd was fighting a Japanese schoolgirl then there would be people breathlessly explaining how the girl's slender arms might slot through Mayweather's guard, which has been tuned to counter the more meaty limbs of professional boxers, and furthermore that her long, swaying pigtails might hypnotise Mayweather with their intoxicating rhythm.



Any of these bitches obviously have a real shot of taking down a 50-0 world champion. Sorry, but Floyd couldn't handle the x-factor here. He'd be BFTO.

Post: #217

(07-20-2017 08:41 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Boxing however, is unique in that there is blind ego to what they do. Outside voices are typically shut down and it's a reason the sport itself is dying.

I hear this on here all the time. It's dying in the States, which used to be the home of boxing.

It's absolutely thriving in the UK—which is why Floyd was more than happy to bring one of Gervonta Davis over to fight. AJ v Klitschko, Bellew v Haye, Froch v Groves 1/2....these fights, just off the top of my head, did massive numbers on PPV and filled out enormous stadiums.





Note that the video was made in 2015, before boxing became as big is it currently is in the UK (mostly down to the casual fans). I'm interested in what some of the American guys have to say in regards to the points in the video. And the related one.

Post: #218

McGregor has a puncher's chance and with boxing gloves it's not much of a chance especially with Mayweather's speed. It will probably be another boring display of uneventful but technically perfect boxing showcasing like the vast majority of Mayweather fights.

This is why Romans used to throw in Lions and Elephants. There are limitations to human vs human fighting when it comes to being a spectator sport.

Post: #219

(07-22-2017 09:56 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  This is why Romans used to throw in Lions and Elephants. There are limitations to human vs human fighting when it comes to being a spectator sport.

Post: #220

How to make this fight interesting - boxing for rounds 1-6, MMA thereafter. Make Floyd work for the KO because he knows doomsday is coming in round 7.

Post: #221

Mayweather will either school this Irish pub crawler or dance around him with a few pops to get a technical win.

Post: #222

(07-23-2017 03:40 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  How to make this fight interesting - boxing for rounds 1-6, MMA thereafter. Make Floyd work for the KO because he knows doomsday is coming in round 7.

I would have liked to see the fight in 4 ounce gloves. I think that alone would make a huge difference. In reality, only one of these guys can go to the other mans sport and not get killed in RD1.

Post: #223

He's going to get made to look absolutely stupid. He'll be punching air and getting caught at will.

Post: #224

Here's a pro Boxer vs an amateur fighter.

Post: #225

Look at this guy