Post: #26

(07-12-2017 07:32 AM)apolis Wrote:  I think only Rocha gets ONS from clubs in Kiev, as far as I remember.

I think it's meaningless for anyone who can't spend at least one month in Kiev to waste his money and time to kiss 'beauties' and end up masturbating every night.

Well, not that common too, at least for me. I have had 5 ONS from clubs in Ukraine all over these years, and I go out quite a lot. Though I have some buddies who pulled ONS both in Kharkov and Kiev, and our fellow forum member Tenerife who is a champ in that regard.
ONS from clubs I think are tough anywhere nowadays though. I have been pulling them from street approaches during the night, and in/around zones of bars and clubs.
I got 3 ONS in my trip to Kiev last month, one from the street in Arena, one from Lina's Café in Arena, and one from a club, coincidentially or not, this last girl is half-russian. I think it is not common, but they (ONS) can happen.

ONS is one thing, but making out/have a nice rapport get her number, meet 2 time... normally is the way things work.

I also disagree with your last part. Sure that at the end of the day the bang is what matters, but having intimacy, kissing, having a good time with a hot woman, and by this I mean a 8 plus, personally I found that it is what builds your confidence, makes you more experienced and comfortable around any woman, and it is the kind of thing that takes you to some steps above regarding your game. Nothing beats real life experience with women.

Post: #27

Agreed, paparazzi, but men travel to bang, not just to kiss.

Post: #28

(07-12-2017 09:50 AM)apolis Wrote:  Agreed, paparazzi, but men travel to bang, not just to kiss.

I can only recommend traveling to bang to someone who has not banged too much. But in such case possibly better go to SEA than EE. I like Ukraine, I have a different kind of fun than the one back home.

Post: #29

I wonder, on average, how many times a typical Kievan girl has heard "do you speak English" in the past year.

Post: #30

(07-12-2017 11:15 AM)betterasianbrother Wrote:  I wonder, on average, how many times a typical Kievan girl has heard "do you speak English" in the past year.

A fair few, but doesn't matter what the opener is. Also many of them are flattered because they are learning English, they respond proudly that they do, or speak a little

Post: #31

That is one thing I will second....the girls are very opened to being spoken too... But, I am not in the Ukraine to speak to girls in clubs and bars.....

Post: #32

(07-12-2017 08:12 AM)Rocha Wrote:  I have had 5 ONS from clubs in Ukraine all over these years, and I go out quite a lot. Though I have some buddies who pulled ONS both in Kharkov and Kiev, and our fellow forum member Tenerife who is a champ in that regard.
I got 3 ONS in my trip to Kiev last month, one from the street in Arena, one from Lina's Café in Arena, and one from a club, coincidentially or not, this last girl is half-russian. I think it is not common, but they (ONS) can happen.

ONS from clubs we all know that are usually poor quality girls that we fuck because we are high and horny. How many times have you been to Ukraine and how many times roughly did you go out?

Post: #33

(07-12-2017 12:46 PM)apolis Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 08:12 AM)Rocha Wrote:  I have had 5 ONS from clubs in Ukraine all over these years, and I go out quite a lot. Though I have some buddies who pulled ONS both in Kharkov and Kiev, and our fellow forum member Tenerife who is a champ in that regard.
I got 3 ONS in my trip to Kiev last month, one from the street in Arena, one from Lina's Café in Arena, and one from a club, coincidentially or not, this last girl is half-russian. I think it is not common, but they (ONS) can happen.

ONS from clubs we all know that are usually poor quality girls that we fuck because we are high and horny. How many times have you been to Ukraine and how many times roughly did you go out?

Speak for yourself.

As for your question 15 or 16 times. Ranging from 3 weeks to 4 days stay. Like I said, I go out alot, every weekend day and 2/3 weekdays.

Post: #34

OK, let's say you have been 15 times in Ukraine, went out countless times and pulled twice from nightgame ( except your lucky last time that you pulled three times.) And you speak Russian.

Those are not very good nightgame statistics. I don't ask about the quality, it does not matter. This is not a personal attack, no worries. You definitely have a special connection with Ukraine and as long as you enjoy being there, nothing else matters.

But don't encourage newbies to waste their time and money to entertain any Ukrainian girl that is bored to death at home and just wants to practice her English, have a free dinner or simply go out of her house.
Does it make sense?

Post: #35

(07-12-2017 01:16 PM)apolis Wrote:  OK, let's say you have been 15 times in Ukraine, been out countless times and pulled twice from nightgame ( except your lucky last time that you pulled three times.) And you speak Russian.

Those are not very good nightgame statistics. I don't ask about the quality, it does not matter. This is not a personal attack, no worries. You definitely have a special connection with Ukraine and as long as you enjoy being there, nothing else matters.

But don't encourage newbies to waste their time and money to entertain any Ukrainian girl that is bored to death at home and just wants to practice her English, have a free dinner or simply go out of her house.
Does it make sense?

I maybe did not made myself clear. I said I had 5 ONS from clubs. I am not counting night pulls from the street, nor am I counting the girls I met in clubs/nightlife and ended up banging some other night.

Post: #36

(07-11-2017 11:03 PM)FFL Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 08:17 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Great report, such a blue balled trip.

I wonder if any of the vets on here would have some advice on how to finish these women, You certainly got almost home many times?

Stay longer, I have more time in Russia (parents are Russian) than Ukraine but I just suggest to stay for a longer duration.

Sounds like the OP had a good hustle based on the amount of dates stated.

Sounded like he was a little to anxious to get them in bed and they caught on to it. Nothing wrong with that in the West, but it does not work like that in Ukraine unless you're throwing money around or going for low quality girls.

I think the OP did fine and should invest in another but longer trip and execute some courtship practices. I personally like how he was describing the girls reserved nature.

Always makes me smile when I hear stories like this.

This is coming from a guy who just broke down and had a ONS with a 4th wave Feminist 6 this evening in Austin TX. I would have taken a traditional reserved 8 and a peck on the lips after a walk through a garden with future fucking potential over the guilt shame and humiliation I feel now having glove busted into a tyrant of a female who would not shut the fuck up about her dog.

I can't wait to get back to Ukraine in October.

Nice post OP don't give up on Ukraine, sounds like you did alright for 10 days.

Yeah I dont think I did too bad, I honestly wasnt expective anything, I knew my trip would be too short for me. If I do go back I have leads I can pick up where I left off, and I know I can make new ones. I had so much abundance I was just dropping girls I didnt think were attractive enough, they would call me to say they were in Maidan square and want to meet up. I was busy.

Really enjoyed my trip and wouldn't take it back, i got to explore the city with native girls, I gained experience, I learnt for the next time. Everything is a learning curve, everything is experience.

Here are some of the girls (cant get these to work as images for some reason):

https://ibb.co/bucnza
https://ibb.co/cuouea
https://ibb.co/kJRfKa
https://ibb.co/dW1Eea
https://ibb.co/kybfKa
https://ibb.co/bFJhXv
https://ibb.co/bQKZea
https://ibb.co/f9P0Ka
https://ibb.co/h6vkkF

Post: #37

I didn't enjoy Kiev, i.e.. "Turkey".. very much but I did enjoy chilling on that rooftop pool where the mall was, getting drunk with 5 forum guys. We had a blast and I met a hottie in a skimpy white bikini that I still talk to once in a while.

If you go 10 days in a place without getting laid and still enjoy it, that's a good quality to have if you are traveling. I wish I could do that but I start to go crazy after the first 24 hours.

Post: #38

(07-12-2017 02:16 PM)LINUX Wrote:  I didn't enjoy Kiev, i.e.. "Turkey".. very much but I did enjoy chilling on that rooftop pool where the mall was, getting drunk with 5 forum guys. We had a blast and I met a hottie in a skimpy white bikini that I still talk to once in a while.

If you go 10 days in a place without getting laid and still enjoy it, that's a good quality to have if you are traveling. I wish I could do that but I start to go crazy after the first 24 hours.

Why didnt you enjoy it?

Post: #39

(07-12-2017 02:30 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  Why didnt you enjoy it?

It just didn't fit my personality. I prefer being in an environment that's a bit more chaotic and impulsive.

Post: #40

(07-12-2017 02:16 PM)LINUX Wrote:  I didn't enjoy Kiev, i.e.. "Turkey".. very much but I did enjoy chilling on that rooftop pool where the mall was, getting drunk with 5 forum guys. We had a blast and I met a hottie in a skimpy white bikini that I still talk to once in a while.

If you go 10 days in a place without getting laid and still enjoy it, that's a good quality to have if you are traveling. I wish I could do that but I start to go crazy after the first 24 hours.

Kiev is not a vacation spot in my opinion, I could not imagine anyone taking a trip for a week or two there to party and hook up. Only reason I could see spending time for a week or so in Kiev is if you're going just to take in some of the history and sights.

Now if he had spent 10 days courting 3 - 5 girls the first week on a few dates without pushing for the hook up and leading them to believe he was going to be there for far more than 10 days I'm sure he would have come out of that trip a lot differently.

For Ukraine I'd say you'd want to make some contacts with some girls in advance of a short trip and spend some time skyping with them prior to your arrival building some trust and history then go for the gold after a couple of dates when you arrive.

A million other places way better for ONS with quality (in appearance) girls. Honestly if you're in good shape and want to have easy ONS with hot girls you're better off spitting game in the West to hot girls with no moral compass.

Hot, feminine, and sweet typically does not go hand and hand with easy, retarded and impulsive.

Post: #41

Good sheet. How did you like Kiev as a city? Didn't see you comment on that.

Post: #42

(07-11-2017 03:16 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  people in kiev walk everywhere, and its their culture that you shouldn’t be at home doing nothing, they cant afford much, so they don’t really go to bars/nightclubs/restaurants. They go for walks.

Great observation. It is really sad how western materialism and sedentary ease of life creates fat, ugly, toxic, neurotic, barren, overweight women -- who are physically, mentally, and socially inferior to those from cultures where the women must still walk regularly and eat a far more modest calorie-restricted diet.

One-hundred years from now, some anthropologist will probably write a book on this topic -- or perhaps this topic will simply represent one of many chapters regarding how the West committed cultural suicide.

Post: #43

(07-12-2017 02:05 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:03 PM)FFL Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 08:17 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Great report, such a blue balled trip.

I wonder if any of the vets on here would have some advice on how to finish these women, You certainly got almost home many times?

Stay longer, I have more time in Russia (parents are Russian) than Ukraine but I just suggest to stay for a longer duration.

Sounds like the OP had a good hustle based on the amount of dates stated.

Sounded like he was a little to anxious to get them in bed and they caught on to it. Nothing wrong with that in the West, but it does not work like that in Ukraine unless you're throwing money around or going for low quality girls.

I think the OP did fine and should invest in another but longer trip and execute some courtship practices. I personally like how he was describing the girls reserved nature.

Always makes me smile when I hear stories like this.

This is coming from a guy who just broke down and had a ONS with a 4th wave Feminist 6 this evening in Austin TX. I would have taken a traditional reserved 8 and a peck on the lips after a walk through a garden with future fucking potential over the guilt shame and humiliation I feel now having glove busted into a tyrant of a female who would not shut the fuck up about her dog.

I can't wait to get back to Ukraine in October.

Nice post OP don't give up on Ukraine, sounds like you did alright for 10 days.

Yeah I dont think I did too bad, I honestly wasnt expective anything, I knew my trip would be too short for me. If I do go back I have leads I can pick up where I left off, and I know I can make new ones. I had so much abundance I was just dropping girls I didnt think were attractive enough, they would call me to say they were in Maidan square and want to meet up. I was busy.

Really enjoyed my trip and wouldn't take it back, i got to explore the city with native girls, I gained experience, I learnt for the next time. Everything is a learning curve, everything is experience.

Here are some of the girls (cant get these to work as images for some reason):

https://ibb.co/bucnza
https://ibb.co/cuouea
https://ibb.co/kJRfKa
https://ibb.co/dW1Eea
https://ibb.co/kybfKa
https://ibb.co/bFJhXv
https://ibb.co/bQKZea
https://ibb.co/f9P0Ka
https://ibb.co/h6vkkF

cute girls, pretty much all of them! But i believe it's not allowed to post them, suggest you remove

Post: #44

Shit I can't edit the post with images or remove from the site as I was signed in as guest. Can a moderator remove all the links? Sorry I am on 60% warning already. Won't happen again

Post: #45

Are you on 60% for posting pics or for trolling?

Post: #46

Taliking about what would have been an underage girl in the states

Post: #47

Great honest report.

Although Forsage get's a bad rep on here it's still a place where ONS are possible but I was baffled your observation by the girls being on par with CHI.

Forsage is usually 5-7's with a odd 8 mixed.

Post: #48

(07-12-2017 10:11 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  one-hundred years from now, some [Chinese or Japanese] anthropologist will write…

Post: #49

@Wonderer

You remind me of those local kids last night in Bournemouth gardens. They asked for a cigarette and stole six in front of my eyes.

Post: #50

(07-12-2017 04:06 PM)LAKings Wrote:  Good sheet. How did you like Kiev as a city? Didn't see you comment on that.

I liked the city, I got so bored of the same scenery of khreschatyk as I was daygaming it hard, I knew id do the more touristy stuff later but every hour was so important. I saw the cathedrals, went inside one of them, that was cool, the girls took me to dnipier river and to the beach, peoples friends arch, motherland statue at night which was really great you can see the view of kiev from a high point.

I thought the light show at maidan square was funny, looked like any old fountain to me but for them it was a big deal.

I didnt actually eat any Ukranian food, the IG pipeline girl said she would cook me Borscht but she never did.

(07-13-2017 08:15 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  Great honest report.

Although Forsage get's a bad rep on here it's still a place where ONS are possible but I was baffled your observation by the girls being on par with CHI.

Forsage is usually 5-7's with a odd 8 mixed.

I never said they were on par, I meant the girl who I was with and her friends were hot, there were hot girls in forsage, they looked like students. I said that in CHI I didnt even know where to look because of the talent. If I go back, I will only go to CHI.