Post: #101

Meh. I think the dude is just weird as hell. Not about any ideologically choices. I share him because he ends up being right must of the time from my experience. And had actually warned about the looming "conflict" between the two "Alts". But hey, to each his own.

And let's not compare Satanism with pedos lol. Dude actually made an informative video about Satanism, which I barely knew anything about, turns out very little of satanism actually involves worshiping Satan, that is more connected to the sort of LARPer category.

Funnily I've made an experiment here. I've made certain comments which had ideas I heard from him and they were well received, got likes, replies, whatever. Just to show people care a lot more about the messenger than the message.

Post: #102

(06-29-2017 06:29 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  turns out very little of satanism actually involves worshiping Satan, that is more connected to the sort of LARPer category.

At the core its basically same as fedora tipping atheists. Being "edgy", smart, atheistic, etc. and being a hedonist.
That is why I don't tend to use term "satanic" to describe elites that rule the world. They are something completely else, a real evil deal.

Apart from these things, Styx (Tarl Warwick) has very good Occult playlist and he knows what he is talking about.
I just listen to him and lower the browser window because of his appearance

Post: #103

I don't get what all the hate on Cerno is from. He promotes much of the masculine message of Roosh, this forum, and the manosphere at large to hundreds of thousands of people.

Cernovich actually figured out how to make a career out of politics. He was lucky in securing a large divorce settlement, and with this cash he eventually went out on his own to debunk the media and carve out a name for himself in American politics. The fact of the matter is that the normal working stiff could never do what MikeCF does. Mike does us all a tremendous favor and represents this forum as a true alpha male as a former top poster.

Too many people have claimed this forum is nothing but Keyboard Jockeys, while Mike comes out and shows he is the real fucking deal. Instead of being a crab in a bucket, every single man on this forum should look to his example as something to learn and profit from and say: "Mike shows what kind of men the RVF attracts and produces." We should pretty much always have Mike's back. He's never insulted Roosh or this forum once since making it big time. Quite the contrary, he continues to preach the virtues of masculinity all the time.

The voices claiming Mike is nothing but a self-serving fame whore is just bullshit haterism as far as I'm concerned. People could easily say the same things about Roosh, an attention fame whore etc. etc. All fucking crap, this is a tough world only fighters succeed in, and, quite frankly, if making success from the RVF just means the people here will turn around and backstab you, then why the fuck are men going to be encouraged to post here?

I'm thoroughly disgusted with the hate Mike gets, and I hope it's just a small but vocal minority here. It's fine to have criticisms of his personality (who is perfect?) but to completely discredit Mike's character is nothing but slander and defamation. Just because Mike's used clickbait titles is hardly a disqualifying statement of the man. Clickbait rules the internet, don't hate Mike for playing the media game better than you.

Mike has provided tremendous services to Men and the Right as a whole, his twitter account has gotten stories to the top of Drudge multiple times. He has also provided leaks that turned out to be totally true, like McMaster's wanting a massive land invasion of Syria, or DeStefano sabotaging Trump staffers from working at the State department (he was just fired).

Mike is not alt-lite. Fuck all the bullshit of Alt-whatever politics, it's all meaningless faggot branding. Mike Cernovich has repeatedly shown his appeal to normies all across America. He can get out a genuine masculine message with Right based principles (read: Christian principles) and we all owe him a debt of gratitude. Mike represents a working sustainable future of the American Right, and I for one could not be happier that it came from this forum.

Post: #104

(06-30-2017 01:28 AM)Samseau Wrote:  I don't get what all the hate on Cerno is from. He promotes much of the masculine message of Roosh, this forum, and the manosphere at large to hundreds of thousands of people.

Cernovich actually figured out how to make a career out of politics. He was lucky in securing a large divorce settlement, and with this cash he eventually went out on his own to debunk the media and carve out a name for himself in American politics. The fact of the matter is that the normal working stiff could never do what MikeCF does. Mike does us all a tremendous favor and represents this forum as a true alpha male as a former top poster.

Too many people have claimed this forum is nothing but Keyboard Jockeys, while Mike comes out and shows he is the real fucking deal. Instead of being a crab in a bucket, every single man on this forum should look to his example as something to learn and profit from and say: "Mike shows what kind of men the RVF attracts and produces." We should pretty much always have Mike's back. He's never insulted Roosh or this forum once since making it big time. Quite the contrary, he continues to preach the virtues of masculinity all the time.

The voices claiming Mike is nothing but a self-serving fame whore is just bullshit haterism as far as I'm concerned. People could easily say the same things about Roosh, an attention fame whore etc. etc. All fucking crap, this is a tough world only fighters succeed in, and, quite frankly, if making success from the RVF just means the people here will turn around and backstab you, then why the fuck are men going to be encouraged to post here?

I'm thoroughly disgusted with the hate Mike gets, and I hope it's just a small but vocal minority here. It's fine to have criticisms of his personality (who is perfect?) but to completely discredit Mike's character is nothing but slander and defamation. Just because Mike's used clickbait titles is hardly a disqualifying statement of the man. Clickbait rules the internet, don't hate Mike for playing the media game better than you.

Mike has provided tremendous services to Men and the Right as a whole, his twitter account has gotten stories to the top of Drudge multiple times. He has also provided leaks that turned out to be totally true, like McMaster's wanting a massive land invasion of Syria, or DeStefano sabotaging Trump staffers from working at the State department (he was just fired).

Mike is not alt-lite. Fuck all the bullshit of Alt-whatever politics, it's all meaningless faggot branding. Mike Cernovich has repeatedly shown his appeal to normies all across America. He can get out a genuine masculine message with Right based principles (read: Christian principles) and we all owe him a debt of gratitude. Mike represents a working sustainable future of the American Right, and I for one could not be happier that it came from this forum.

I think that the divorce settlement is a joke he made and people took it seriously.

Mike is alright. If he wants to go to politics, then so be it.

I personally would never do it - even I had tens of billions in net assets, then I would not dare going there. Politics that might actually be able to change things is in my opinion deadly to the one leading it.

At best we can grow in the shadows.

Post: #105

Apart from the Satanism, I like Styx (at least, his modern political videos - hadn't heard of him until a couple of months before Trump won). As far as I know, he doesn't even call himself a Satanist anymore.

Regarding Cernovich, he was part of my introduction to the Manosphere back in 2014. I've never hated him, and I chose to side with him when the Cernovich-Baked Alaska and Cernovich-Spencer feuds were going on.

Post: #106

Samseau, we're not hating on Cernovich, we're vetting him for leadership potential, and he has failed the screening process. Cernovich isn't merely transcending "keyboard warrior" status, he's trying to become a politician... i.e., a leader of this new movement.

He demonstrated very poor leadership skills when he hired Loren Feldman to direct his documentary and he wasted a lot of his followers' (including me AND Roosh) money when the two of them produced a shitty movie. How in the fuck do you make a movie about FREE SPEECH and EXCLUDE Roosh? Cernovich may be a part of this forum's past, but he turned his back on it when he allowed that to happen. Feldman is an asshole and Cernovich has to wear the blame for it. His leadership skills suck balls.

Cernovich also demonstrated that his firewall is to the right when he attacked Richard Spencer and Baked Alaska and anyone else who discusses the "Jewish Question" (which most definitely includes Roosh and many other forum members, YOU in particular Samseau). Where was this ferocious attack dog when Feldman took shots at Roosh? Conspicuous by his SILENCE, that's where.

Look, we don't HATE Cernovich. He is like a guy on the football team who is really good at tackling and keeps nagging the coach to let him play quarterback. Then when he takes snaps in practice, he throws nothing but picks. The other players don't want him cut from the team, but everyone rightly expects him to get sent back to the defense where he belongs, and that's exactly where coach sends him. He may not like it and he may bitch and moan and yell "Why does everyone HATE me?!!" but everyone knows it's just childish butt-hurt.

Cernovich is no leader. At least not to us.

Post: #107

Anybody remember why did he leave this forum?

Post: #108

(06-30-2017 09:45 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Anybody remember why did he leave this forum?

I seem to remember things going downhill starting with the Roosh getting locked up prank, but I'm sure theres more to it than that.

Post: #109

(06-30-2017 10:06 AM)Repo Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 09:45 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Anybody remember why did he leave this forum?

I seem to remember things going downhill starting with the Roosh getting locked up prank, but I'm sure theres more to it than that.

It was before that, already when ROK began writing about feminism in a political sense. Said he didn't want to get involved in negative stuff.

It's happen enough to see that Mike has his own philosophy on these things, it's a sort of old school self-improvement NLP inspired philosophy, one of them is to cut short people in your life who get into trouble/are unlucky/negative. While that is probably effective, in that you shoudn't have deadbeats as friends, it is also not exactly a philosophy who will jive with leading hordes of disenfranchised "loser" males. I write "loser" in "" deliberately, because most would contribute and flourish in more normal conditions. That's what we advocated here and why travelling abroad AND succeeding abroad (financially, romantically, spiritually) as a former "loser" is a massive redpilling to how shitty a hand you're dealt in the West.

Mike though, has a history of publicly denouncing and throwing former associates under the bus, declaring them of no further use. It is a sort of purist old-school NLP self improvement dogma. That just isn't wise to do with the kind of people who follow him. A lot of them are young (teens/early 20s) males who see guys like him and Roosh as uncles or some sort of father figure even.

Post: #110

I think he also just got interested with other things, like Gamergate.

Post: #111

Men move on from things as they become busy or lose interest. Fact is, Mike has the same conversations he had on this forum but with 100,000x the audience. He's basically his own forum now. That doesn't mean he hates this place or anyone here. He's just moved on, and may or may not return. He's still doing the exact same thing this forum does, but on a much larger scale. He gets the message out. He red pills men.

I've been active on this forum plenty of times in the past when I've had big projects (like working on the campaign last September). Posting is time consuming and serves a purpose of generating ideas, but at some point you either shit or get off the pot with these ideas and put them into practice. Once you're in motion you don't have a lot of time for posting. He's a got a wife, kid, and growing media empire. Plus he wants to run? It's just not worth the effort for him to post here, he's already getting his ideas out to a much larger audience and he's past the point where he needs to brainstorm. It simply is not an efficient use of one's time to post on this forum when you're already involved with so much.

That said, in 20-30 years from now, when things are slowing down for Mike, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Mike return here should this forum still be active.

Quote:Cernovich also demonstrated that his firewall is to the right when he attacked Richard Spencer and Baked Alaska and anyone else who discusses the "Jewish Question" (which most definitely includes Roosh and many other forum members, YOU in particular Samseau). Where was this ferocious attack dog when Feldman took shots at Roosh? Conspicuous by his SILENCE, that's where.

Baked Alaska's beef with Cerno was personal and not political. Without knowing all the details none of us should judge that, also, they continue to have on-again off-again bromances. I have plenty of friendships like that as well, where we insult each other over all sorts of stuff. Doesn't make the friendship toxic or unworkable. The friction is just Men being Men.

As for Richard Spencer, personally I think the guy is all hype and nothing he says impresses me intellectually, but Mike's primary motivation in denouncing these guys has been stated on his periscopes many times. Mike simply notices that most people who talk about Jews are major losers who only talk about Jews and nothing else. They're obsessed and use Jews as an excuse for their failures in life. I can't say he's wrong about this.

There is a major difference in how I speak about Jews and your average stormfronter or pollack talks about Jews. They speak with genuine hatred, whereas I speak with concern and disapproval. When you have the reach and audience size Mike has, you of course bring in boatloads of autistic Jew haters who will easily drown out everyone in their Jew bashing noise, which scares away normies.

That's NOT how to do politics. I know how to do politics; you would NEVER catch me bringing up the Jewish problem to an uninitiated audience. You've got to be very careful in handling the subject as well as not sounding like a typical hateful anti-semite. Mike is wise to avoid the question while building his political profile. America is not yet ready for a mainstream discussion of the top level Jews, although it is getting there. Politics is still an emotional process, and before people can process things rationally must come to terms with them emotionally due to decades of brainwashing (orchestrated by top level Jewery for their own defense of course).

As for Mike having poor judgement because of him picking the director of Silenced as the batshit insane Jewish Supremacist Loren Feldman; this is a legit criticism. I bet Feldman refused to cover Roosh because Roosh is critical of Jews. On one of Mike's most recent periscopes, he actually admitted Feldman fucked up the film Silenced and that he's a loser who thinks he's superior because he's a Jew.

But just because a man slips up once isn't a deal breaker, not even close. Especially since it was Mike's money that financed the project. On the other hand, Silenced is apparently a good film with poor directing (so it lacks focus and theming) that I plan on watching eventually.

The fact of the matter is that Mike produces FAR more value than he loses, and can reach out to hundreds of thousands. I think Mike is easily good as any Congressional Representative, if not leagues better. As for whether or not Mike should go to President, well, we'll see. I wouldn't rule him out because Mike knows when to attack. If Republicans continue to cuck out after Trump is gone, then shitlords like Mike will be a breath of fresh air.

Post: #112

Quote:But just because a man slips up once isn't a deal breaker, not even close. Especially since it was Mike's money that financed the project. On the other hand, Silenced is apparently a good film with poor directing (so it lacks focus and theming) that I plan on watching eventually.

I started watching but got bored. Too many random people answering the question "what does free speech mean to me?" without any apparent attempt to filter or front-load the best possible articulations of that answer. They interviewed an interesting cross-section of people, but being an interesting person doesn't guarantee an interesting answer to that question. I think what I was hoping for was to have the best possible articulations of free speech be introduced up-front, and then the rest of the movie would be discussions about how that core value manifests in culture and people's experiences.

Post: #113

Samseau Wrote:But just because a man slips up once isn't a deal breaker, not even close. Especially since it was Mike's money that financed the project. On the other hand, Silenced is apparently a good film with poor directing (so it lacks focus and theming) that I plan on watching eventually.

Mike raised money via Kickstarter. Roosh kicked in and so did I. Both of our names are in the credits to prove it. I did like how Mike organized the Kickstarter, particularly the incentive offered of getting our names in the credits as contributors of a certain amount or higher ($100 USD). But you're wrong about Silenced being good (I've watched it). I'd prefer my name to be removed from the credits now that I saw how bad it is, and I've paid for the right to criticize it. I trusted Mike to deliver a quality product and he let me and the other backers down. And he was mighty hesitant to admit his failure. Sure he's owning up to it now after he's taken considerable heat, but he tried to use his NLP tricks to persuade us that it "wasn't that bad". It IS that fucken bad and he should have owned up to it and apologized to his backers. This was a valid test of Mike's leadership ability and he failed. He's a good tackler, but he's no quarterback.

Post: #114

Samseau Wrote:America is not yet ready for a mainstream discussion of the top level Jews, although it is getting there.

Thomas Jefferson Wrote:There is not a truth existing which I fear... or would wish unknown to the whole world.

America was born ready.

Post: #115

Samseau. Are you more interested in Mike for who he is or what he can do via reaching hundreds of thousands of normal men and women outside of these forums, politicians and film stars included?

Post: #116

Samseau Wrote:America is not yet ready for a mainstream discussion of the top level Jews, although it is getting there.

That'll never happen.

By this stage, I've just come to see the 'spontaneous', worldwide rise of Nationalism as a (((Deliberately-Directed Psy-Op))) and as a way to raise to consciousness of the working class, since Socialism failed to do so. The (((Control through Totalitarian Socialism Tribe))) versus the (((Control through Nationalist Comfort and Security Tribe))) could either be a war, or control of the populace by tailoring the form of control to a country's tendency towards collectivism or individualism.

Every time I scratch at one of these self-professed Nationalist leaders, I see a pattern of co-option of an existing Right Wing movement to increase the cult of personality; the eventual denounciation of 'extremism' within the ranks to solidify personal power and drag groupthink leftwards; and then increasingly Pro-Israel sentiments. The timeline varies, but I think the social programming is for Nationalist Thought Leaders to train their followers that certain (((interests))) are compatible with their own.

Trump takes over the GOP, denounces the Alt-Right and sells Civic Nationalism, and kisses Israel's ring, as every single member of a deeply-divided congress votes earlier this year to increase Anti-Semitism Laws.

Le Pen takes over her father's party, and subtly throws her father under the bus for his comments:

Quote:"it allows me to reiterate that the National Front most firmly condemns every form of anti-Semitism, in whatever form it takes."

Like Jews overwhelmingly-voting for Brexit in England, a sizeable part of the vote for her party was French Jews.

The Alt-Lite used Alt-Right rhetoric to gain power, but is now very, very concerned about Extremism and anyone asking the Jewish Question, since they're largely-Jewish or their media organisations they were for are Jewish-owned.

Even the Alt-Right: one of the interesting thing about researching Richard Spencer was noticing the reaction of the True Extremist Right to his being crowned King by the (((Media))): "Who is this faggot?"

Over time, the (((interests))) have revealed themselves: Whites deserve an Israel-style Enthostate; Homos are Cool; Whites could make Socialism work. I have to applaud the theatre of Spencer arguing with the Rabbi and shutting him down with his Pro-Israel Logic: it reeked of the 'Woke-Eight-Year-Old' meme come to life.

Huh, I just looked more into Tommy Robinson - another Cult of Personality Thought Leader - given the recent anti-Islamification marches in England.

He left the English Defense League in 2013. Why?

Quote:Robinson said that he had been considering leaving for a long time because of concerns over the "dangers of far-right extremism".

Quote:I want to tackle Islamist extremism, I want to tackle neo-Nazi extremism—they're opposite sides of the same coin.

This recent article was interesting, because it highlighted the suspicion of (((Socialist Tribe))) against (((Nationalist Tribe))) I keep seeing:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/tommy-rob...es-attack/

Quote:Through my friendship with Tommy, I can reach out to his growing following. That goes beyond him, reaching the large numbers of disaffected people in the UK who voted to leave the EU and Europeans preparing to elect new leaders, as well as Americans who have sent Donald Trump to the White House.

Most of these people don’t hate Jews. It is counter productive to malign their honest fears for a future where their daughters risk being beaten for venturing outside with short sleeves. They haven’t been poisoned by the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. But if you reject them and dismiss their fears as Islamophobia or racism, you compromise the integrity of the Jewish people — and this is what could send some of them into the arms of the real Jew-haters and xenophobes. That is why I showed Tommy (and by extension, his followers) the boundaries of Zionism. Zionism’s physical boundaries are the borders of the State of Israel. They have nothing to do with some ridiculous conspiracy about a globalist takeover.

I've got to hand it to them, they're masters at selling targeted psychological appeal, and, as such, know how to control both sides of the fight.

Post: #117

Well they've got their work cut out for them.

Real people live in the real world, and once you cut and run on the diversity mantra then you give no fucks about any of the "not me and mine" crowd. Despite the dramatically lopsided racial violence statistics, find me an avowed "Everyone-except-the-blacks Nationalist". You'd have trouble even finding a "White-including-white-hispanics Nationalist".

So when some white guy gets jumped by black dude for the fourth or fifth time in his life and decides "fuck it, I'm a white nationalist now" he's undertaking a withdrawal of his place in the world and to whom or where his loyalites lie. Case in point, he's withdrawing it to "me and everyone who could pass as a member of my extended family".

That seems to be the case in America and other non-european areas for whom the diversity projects are coming undone due largely to a growing absence of funds to keep the trouble-makers bribed into semi-submission.

Europe on the other had is suffering from islam-related violence which is ironically why anti-government sentiment is growing in those lands. Because they have no Trump and the government keeps telling them to accept their suicidal policies "or else". Increasingly many people are choosing "or else" because suicide is suicide and it doesn't get much worse than dead. For those people it doesn't matter whether the guy on the march next to them is a Sikh or not. And because of that the JQ mostly flies under the radar.

So to my mind the JQ is going to grow in America while Europe is going to start rebelling against "government tyranny". History has it's delightful ironies I suppose.

Post: #118

People said Trump would never win, that the politics would never change, the internet would never educate people, etc. etc.

Never say never.

Post: #119

(07-01-2017 12:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  They speak with genuine hatred, whereas I speak with concern and disapproval.

This sentence immediately triggered this movie scene in my mind. (But I was exactly like the bald guy and still am besides vocalising it while getting paid. :-D)

Post: #120

Catholic thinker E. Michael Jones consider Jewishness to be a spiritual state, not a race.

Post: #121

(07-14-2017 05:59 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Catholic thinker E. Michael Jones consider Jewishness to be a spiritual state, not a race.

So did Evola....

Post: #122

Quote:Over time, the (((interests))) have revealed themselves: Whites deserve an Israel-style Enthostate;

Alt-Right = "Zionism for everyone"

Post: #123

Zionism intensifies.

Post: #124

Super.

More the better to make sure there's somewhere eminently suited for all the (((old-media))) shills to be deported to at bayonet-point.