Post: #5801

(Today 04:28 PM)jackflag Wrote:  I posted this in the text thread, but I want to get eyes from any brothas who may have experience with girls from Hungary, specifically. Would appreciate it.

I was in Hungary recently, and went out with a very, very attractive Hungarian chick. Lets call her Nina. We met on Tinder, messaged for a bit, and when I asked to meet up she says she likes to get to know a guy for a long time before meeting him. We start talking on FB messenger, and then WhatsApp, I spit some shit and get her to agree to meet two days later.

We meet up and she's even hotter in person. A nine. We chat for a couple hours at a restaurant, then go on a walk. My usual M.O. is to go for the kiss mid-date, so I do. This time while we're walking. We make out for a bit, then we walk around Budapest for a while holding hands while she shows me some of the sights. Kiss some more, etc., then I walk her to the bus stop and she goes home. Total date time maybe 3 hours.

When we first made out, she mentioned right after that she doesnt like to kiss on the first date, and if this is how I usually do it with american girls. Didnt stop her from continuing to kiss and put her arms around me throughout the night.

We msg again that night, and she says she had a great time and she'd love to go out again. Everythings gucci. We talk the next day too. Still gucci.

Today, I get a random msg on whatsapp. This is what it says:



The first part was congruent with what I know about her. From our conversation before we met, she had all her prior boyfriends had started as friends and she moves slow into relationships. But the last part of the text, the friendzone part, was a bitch. So I asked if she meant she wanted to go slow, or is she meant she didnt feel anything more than friends. She said





I know this is bullshit, and I know the reason for the text in spite of me being "handsome funny clever" is because those things don't necessarily tickle a vagina. I tried to get her to say it, but obviously no dice.

My initial thought is that I was simply too nice on the date - hence the use of "nice and likeable" in the first text, which in most circumstances is a death note.

What's getting to me isn't that she said it, but that being nice/funny was my strategy for her, and I could have easily adjusted it had I known this would happen. I had just come to Hungary from Scandinavia, where nice/funny game got me laid 3 times in 4 dates. Maybe I didn't adjust to the region.

She says she doesnt know why she didnt feel anything but she already said it in her text. And to me, confirmed it in one of her next texts, after I told her she wouldn't think of me as a friend for long if we kept seeing each other. It said

"Okay but please dont talk about it. I don't wanna hurt u "

Fuck. Me. Now that is a friendzone.

Do any of you guys have experience with hot Hungarian girls like this? Her last boyfriend she said she stuck around with for a year after deciding he was unmotivated and no good. My theory is because he was not a nice guy, which she liked, and he fucked the shit outta her, which she liked.

I could now just begin asshole game, but it would be incongruent with what she knows from me, and that last text about not wanting to hurt me (fuck) signals her mind is now deep into the friendzone. Everything seemed amazing on the date. As good as it could have gone without smashing. And afterwards, still acting on my jock.

Then the bomb today.

Would appreciate any thoughts or insights to Hungarian girls (or EE girls in general) and if anything like this has happened to one of you before.

I dont claim to understand women psyche. They dont know what they want themselves but if I was in your place I would literally read it as its still too big a deal for her to go black.

The handsome and nice comments are just pat on the back so she dont want you to feel bad."You are amazing but just not my thing" in other words. So how are you really amazing in her eyes then ?

The truth is if you got her drunk and horny enough to go for it she would thank you for helping break her inhibitations and every brother from then on would find it easier scoring with her. Unfortunately for a lot of girls there are these mental shackles that they cannot break unless intoxicated or a bitch-on-heat horny.

A lot of the times girls who havent been with a brother before would match on tinder or come on a date to have that experience and even kiss just to live to tell that story. I have heard it from many girls on dates saying I have kissed a black guy before and then when I would ask why just kiss and no more they would say because they didnt feel that way about the guy or it was too crazy or something along those lines.

If I was you I would try to get her on a second date , agree to be happy with being friends and then play absolutely wild , talk naughty , get drunk and tingle her mind rather than the vagina and get her to take a chance and try something new.

Theres a 30 percent chance it works but theres a zero percent chance if you treat her as the supermodel as she looks and put her on a pedastal that nut will never crack.

Post: #5802

Goddamn, talk about a setback.
The attraction is definitely there. I think she's fallen victim to a slick playboy in the past even if she wont admit it.
why didnt you push for sex earlier?

Post: #5803

@Dark Bruh if you wanna do nigeria right you need to forget lagos and hit Abuja. Think of lagos as NY and Abuja as LA. It's always driven me crazy how tourists flock to NY and ignore everywhere else and its the EXACT same situation with ABJ and Lagos
Abuja has Less traffic,less crime, better logistics and better quality of girls

Post: #5804

(Today 06:02 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^I have dated a few Hungarian girls and actually talking to one now.

Plain and simple, pushing for the kiss and holding hands on a first date was too much.

She let you know in a very sweet way, that you were too aggressive. Of course she knows you will expect sex on the next date.

These girls aren't Western girls, so asshole game and all that nonsense doesn't work on them. Trust me on this, I learnt the hard way.

Your a foreigner, so it doesn't matter what her ex Hungarian boyfriends did or didn't do.

That may have been a mistake, yeah. I didn't really believe her, because she was so engaged in all the physical stuff throughout. Wrapping her arm around my waist, holding hands, etc. You think she was just doing it to appease me, or did she get caught up in the moment and regretted it later?

I know you aren't in her head, just asking for opinions.

Also, literally the night before, I went out with another Hungarian girl -- cute, but not Nina hot -- and pulled the same shit. We were making out all night, the girl was swallowing my face, and she got pissed when I said we could go back to my place.... but an hour later, after some more G, she agreed to go to my place and "talk". She basically wants to get married now. So it's not all Hungarian girls that are uber conservative. Though I realize that girl may have been an anomaly.

Also, right after we kissed and she said "do you do this with all american girls?", she said she will make me work for it (meaning sex). Which again makes me think she had to have had some romantic feelings during the night, right?

I just can't fathom how a girl could do and say all the things she said, and then say she never felt anything romantic the whole night. That shit hurt. Unless she was literally just playing along with what she thought I wanted her to be.

Would you mind elaborating on what you mean by learning asshole game doesn't work on Hungarian girls? I was 99% sure that was where I went wrong (not being an asshole), but it sounds like you have experience that points in a different direction.

Post: #5805

(Today 06:03 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  I dont claim to understand women psyche. They dont know what they want themselves but if I was in your place I would literally read it as its still too big a deal for her to go black.

The handsome and nice comments are just pat on the back so she dont want you to feel bad."You are amazing but just not my thing" in other words. So how are you really amazing in her eyes then ?

Well, exactly. The truth is I am all the things she said -- please dont read that as a boast, i'm just saying -- and on 95% of dates I go on, I have the girl eating out of my hand by the end. But if being handsome, funny and clever isn't enough to make a girl want you, then its usually because there wasn't enough of an edge to turn her on. Which is why I was trying to push her to elaborate on her change of mind so I could confirm that.... at which time she pulled the "idk lol" routine. Rudebwoy may be right however, that it was something else entirely and maybe I was just so aggressive it turned it off. I'm not sure.

I definitely took the compliments as a meaningless pat on the back, and I think her later words after I told her that her feelings would change as we hang out, "Please don't talk about it. I don't wanna hurt u ", reinforce that. It was basically a threat, like "if you keep trying, I'm going to say something you really won't like". That was the 2nd dose of ether.

Normally I'd be on board with the black thing, and it probably didn't help, but there's like 3 other things that could be equally at play. And she took me to a crowded park in Budapest where everyone could see us, and had her arm around me or her hand in mine the entire time. I didn't feel the slightest hesitation from her. Until now. Maybe the hindsight caught up to her, but in the moment she didnt feel taboo'd.

But shit, what do I know. Obviously I didnt read this girl nearly as well as I thought

Quote:A lot of the times girls who havent been with a brother before would match on tinder or come on a date to have that experience and even kiss just to live to tell that story. I have heard it from many girls on dates saying I have kissed a black guy before and then when I would ask why just kiss and no more they would say because they didnt feel that way about the guy or it was too crazy or something along those lines.

I've heard that as well, but mostly from American girls. Have you experienced that with foreign girls as well?

Quote:If I was you I would try to get her on a second date , agree to be happy with being friends and then play absolutely wild , talk naughty , get drunk and tingle her mind rather than the vagina and get her to take a chance and try something new.

I agreed to the friend thing, just to get another crack at her. But the ultra sexual approach seems like it may push her away further, woudn't it?

Quote:Theres a 30 percent chance it works but theres a zero percent chance if you treat her as the supermodel as she looks and put her on a pedastal that nut will never crack.

I agree with that, but I didn't pedestalize her at all. We talked about beauty and how it affects people in the states and in Hungary (she's in the beauty industry), but I'm very careful not to white knight a chick. I used nice guy game, but I was still teasing her and such.

Post: #5806

(Today 06:48 PM)raynman Wrote:  @Dark Bruh if you wanna do nigeria right you need to forget lagos and hit Abuja. Think of lagos as NY and Abuja as LA. It's always driven me crazy how tourists flock to NY and ignore everywhere else and its the EXACT same situation with ABJ and Lagos
Abuja has Less traffic,less crime, better logistics and better quality of girls

But NY's logistics make LA's logistics look like a complete joke... So I don't understand your analogy.

Also how are LA chicks better than NY chicks? Very curious as I grew up in LA.

I haven't been to Abuja as an adult I was a kid and never been to Lagos but Lagos girls look like straight up sluts. Beautiful whores that will give it up to a man with means from the western world.

But by all means educate me brother.

Post: #5807

(Today 06:34 PM)raynman Wrote:  Goddamn, talk about a setback.
The attraction is definitely there. I think she's fallen victim to a slick playboy in the past even if she wont admit it.
why didnt you push for sex earlier?

I play it by ear. Just from our previous convos on FB and whatsapp, I knew she likes to go slow. Said multiple times she likes to take her time, and that she "needs deep feelings before I enter into a relationship."

Through the date I could tell there was no chance of smashing that night, but I always - ALWAYS - go for the kiss at some point during the date, no matter what, and I didn't get "no kiss" vibes from her once we'd started walking the city. To the contrary, we were having a GREAT time. I would have bet money on smashing at some point in the future.

We'd also discussed how we like men to be men, and take charge, and women to be women, so I thought she'd like if I just abruptly stopped us somewhere to kiss. Like I said, I went out with another Hungarian girl the night before who I did the exact same thing with to resounding success.

The difference in attractiveness may be an explanation, or maybe they're just different people.

I don't know man. Not gonna lie, my ego was totally devastated for a while after those texts. I don't know what to think, what parts of her story to believe, or what to do.

Post: #5808

Hungarian girls are freaks, so I am not painting them to be angels.

Also, it has nothing to do with you being black.

I know tons of Hungarian girls that have dated black guys or are open to dating black guys.
Heck, I know a handful that moved to the UK because of black men.

I will pm you the rest....

Post: #5809

Its funny how that happens:

I have had similar situations jack but luckily I was able to smash or get a BJ the same night.

One night I met a German girl at a bar at like 10pm and by 1am she was back at my place two blocks away giving me a BJ. We agreed to setup a date for the future and when I went to do it she ghosted. WEEKS and WEEKS later she reappeared and I asked WTF happened she said she normally didn't do things like that and was scared that I wanted sex next time she saw me and she wanted to slow things down. She then asked if we could hang out again but I told her I was no longer interested haha.

Another time I went out on a dinner date with this girl NO KISSING or any physical interaction but I spit some good game. She called during the weekend at 7am to meet her at the after hours spot around the corner. I convinced her to come up for a drink before we go together. She never made it back out the apartment and we ended up having sex.

I hit her up later for round two and she said thinks she made a mistake having sex with me so quickly and she wanted to talk about it. She ended up just ghosting again and unfriending me on Facebook.

Somehow pushing girls past their limit and making them do things completely out of character can possibly give them buyers remorse later.

Alot of guys here mention not making moves on girls until you are a private place where you can escalate properly. I still kiss girls on dates and in nightclubs but I have dialed it back because it has also cost me some closes. I just get the kiss to "check it off the list" and go back to working on her mind.

Post: #5810

(Today 07:46 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Its funny how that happens:

I have had similar situations jack but luckily I was able to smash or get a BJ the same night.

One night I met a German girl at a bar at like 10pm and by 1am she was back at my place two blocks away giving me a BJ. We agreed to setup a date for the future and when I went to do it she ghosted. WEEKS and WEEKS later she reappeared and I asked WTF happened she said she normally didn't do things like that and was scared that I wanted sex next time she saw me and she wanted to slow things down. She then asked if we could hang out again but I told her I was no longer interested haha.

Another time I went out on a dinner date with this girl NO KISSING or any physical interaction but I spit some good game. She called during the weekend at 7am to meet her at the after hours spot around the corner. I convinced her to come up for a drink before we go together. She never made it back out the apartment and we ended up having sex.

I hit her up later for round two and she said thinks she made a mistake having sex with me so quickly and she wanted to talk about it. She ended up just ghosting again and unfriending me on Facebook.

Somehow pushing girls past their limit and making them do things completely out of character can possibly give them buyers remorse later.

Alot of guys here mention not making moves on girls until you are a private place where you can escalate properly. I still kiss girls on dates and in nightclubs but I have dialed it back because it has also cost me some closes. I just get the kiss to "check it off the list" and go back to working on her mind.

Starting to think this was it.

Fuck.

The thing is, I do that all the time, and it doesn't backfire 95% of the time. So while I understand the sentiment, my own experience is very consistent with first date makeouts leading to follow ups.

I also feel like kissing on a date solidifies the connection.

But maybe this is also a play by ear thing. I should have take cues from her that maybe she was a "lets do it later" girl. And didn't, and blew it.

Post: #5811

(Today 08:07 PM)jackflag Wrote:  

(Today 07:46 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Its funny how that happens:

I have had similar situations jack but luckily I was able to smash or get a BJ the same night.

One night I met a German girl at a bar at like 10pm and by 1am she was back at my place two blocks away giving me a BJ. We agreed to setup a date for the future and when I went to do it she ghosted. WEEKS and WEEKS later she reappeared and I asked WTF happened she said she normally didn't do things like that and was scared that I wanted sex next time she saw me and she wanted to slow things down. She then asked if we could hang out again but I told her I was no longer interested haha.

Another time I went out on a dinner date with this girl NO KISSING or any physical interaction but I spit some good game. She called during the weekend at 7am to meet her at the after hours spot around the corner. I convinced her to come up for a drink before we go together. She never made it back out the apartment and we ended up having sex.

I hit her up later for round two and she said thinks she made a mistake having sex with me so quickly and she wanted to talk about it. She ended up just ghosting again and unfriending me on Facebook.

Somehow pushing girls past their limit and making them do things completely out of character can possibly give them buyers remorse later.

Alot of guys here mention not making moves on girls until you are a private place where you can escalate properly. I still kiss girls on dates and in nightclubs but I have dialed it back because it has also cost me some closes. I just get the kiss to "check it off the list" and go back to working on her mind.

Starting to think this was it.

Fuck.

The thing is, I do that all the time, and it doesn't backfire 95% of the time. So while I understand the sentiment, my own experience is very consistent with first date makeouts leading to follow ups.

I also feel like kissing on a date solidifies the connection.

But maybe this is also a play by ear thing. I should have take cues from her that maybe she was a "lets do it later" girl. And didn't, and blew it.

Honestly I used to follow the same pattern like you and it I also believe it DOES WORK alot of the time but I found the middle ground works EVEN BETTER.

A little kissing and PDA is fine for confirmation that everything is going in the direction you want it to but not more than that. Once I have that out the way in concentrate more on her mind, my game and getting her back to my place and then escalating again.

This strategy worked on my last Tinder date and a couple other ones and is what I follow now. No significant makeouts or serious escalation unless the bed is right there.

Post: #5812

(Today 08:26 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Honestly I used to follow the same pattern like you and it I also believe it DOES WORK alot of the time but I found the middle ground works EVEN BETTER.

A little kissing and PDA is fine for confirmation that everything is going in the direction you want it to but not more than that. Once I have that out the way in concentrate more on her mind, my game and getting her back to my place and then escalating again.

This strategy worked on my last Tinder date and a couple other ones and is what I follow now. No significant makeouts or serious escalation unless the bed is right there.

Real talk.

I'm easing back on the kissing thing unless they're literally begging for it. And EE girls are getting the cheek kiss from now on. Not trying to go through this again. My head was FUCKED.

Post: #5813

(Yesterday 03:49 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  WIA,
You make a good point and I think it addresses the general skepticism with Mode One. It's designed for when the pump is already primed, not to prime the pump. Once I'm kissing a bish, whether we're leaving a venue or in the parking garage, and I whisper "I want to phuck you," it only serves to make my desires crystal clear so there's no confusion. So when I ask her up for cake (like someone once pointed out, lol) she knows what time it is.