Post: #26

(06-14-2017 03:39 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Fuck me, I'm going to lose my $10, aren't I. Jesus fucking Christ, I really was thinking this was just going to be a 'normal' fire. I suppose the MSM's next thing will be to start speculating which white supremacist decided to burn up a bunch of Muslims.

(06-14-2017 03:39 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  Well it was quite clearly set by that disgusting racist from Tasmania, Leonard de Neubache, Para.

And your apologist sentiments are noted.

Post: #27

Just imagine the delicious civil unrest the media could cause merely at the suggestion that this was the work of a white supremacist (later corrected once the damage has been done). There would be riots the same day.

More police powers! More internet regulation! More surveillance!

Post: #28

(06-14-2017 06:16 AM)Matsufubu Wrote:  Just imagine the delicious civil unrest the media could cause merely at the suggestion that this was the work of a white supremacist (later corrected once the damage has been done). There would be riots the same day.

More police powers! More internet regulation! More surveillance!

There's definitely a chance it's a revenge attack for the terror attacks, but that's more the sort of thing I'd expect in the North, not in London.

Post: #29

There were references on Twitter to this building being a known fire hazard one year ago...

Post: #30

I would imagine that any revenge attack from imaginary extreme right wing millitants would be much more targeted. Such as against a radical, IS supporting Sunni mosque.

Post: #31

Don't want to get in to a discussion on the cause of it, you can speculate all you like but the reported source is from a fire starting due to an electrical fault on the fourth floor. Not everything is a globalist conspiracy or false flag attack, tragedies do happen.

What I really want you all to read is this, which was written in November 2016. Very harrowing.

Post: #32

Britchard, the conspiracists are gonna have a field day with the Grenfell Action Group.

I mean they wanted the towers to fall, and then they really FELL!

....paging Leonard & Athlone to speculate & formulate.

Post: #33

(06-14-2017 07:27 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  Britchard, the conspiracists are gonna have a field day with the Grenfell Action Group.

I mean they wanted the towers to fall, and then they really FELL!

....paging Leonard & Athlone to speculate & formulate.

Well it would look suspicious if all of the members of the Grenfell Action Group who lived in the flats were out at the time of the fire, but we don't know the details yet.

Post: #34

(06-14-2017 04:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  quickedit: All of the possible tools to escape a tall building through a window are all good and well for the people with the balls to use them, but most people (women in particular) would sooner burn in the hope of rescue than strap on a harness and step out of a 50 story window.

I don't think so - fire is SCARY, people jump without safety to escape fire all the time, I think many women would use equipment to escape trough windows. No action movie or documentary can transfer the feeling how scary a big surrounding fire is with unbearable heat and smoke, most people will never know it.

The real problem is that people and especially women waste their money on i-phones and fidget spinners rather then safety devices that might be useful just once in life but could be lifesavers. The other problem is that preppers who prepare for such scenarios are looked up as wierdos.

Post: #35

(06-14-2017 02:29 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The tower will come down any minute now and pulverize in mid-air.

(06-14-2017 02:36 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Perfectly from top to bottom without veering, no less.

No need for excessive collateral damage.

No kidding guys

Post: #36

Who owns the tower?

These things are likely Insurance plays to get a cash out. Likely wanted to sell/demolish the tower but did not want to relocate the tenants who all look to be low income potentially.

The tower looks old and shabby though and minus new features that have been mentioned to mitigate fire spread. But it still quite difficult to get a tower to burn up whole like that, many times some type of faulty fuel has to be in the mix to accelerate the fire.

Post: #37

No one from London went there and offered girls in distress a couch to sleep on?
Inferno game.

Post: #38

(06-14-2017 11:45 AM)kosko Wrote:  Who owns the tower?

These things are likely Insurance plays to get a cash out. Likely wanted to sell/demolish the tower but did not want to relocate the tenants who all look to be low income potentially.

The tower looks old and shabby though and minus new features that have been mentioned to mitigate fire spread. But it still quite difficult to get a tower to burn up whole like that, many times some type of faulty fuel has to be in the mix to accelerate the fire.

Doubtful - that would be a plan willing to kill dozens.

Seems like bare-naked negligence:

Quote:As well as examining the cladding another line of inquiry is likely to be whether gas pipes triggered or exacerbated the blaze.

Firefighters, fire safety experts and architects all voiced alarm about the speed with which the fire swept across the new polyester powder-coated aluminium facade which was installed as part of a £10m refurbishment, completed in 2016, to improve the building’s insulation and appearance.

“I don’t think we have seen this sort of fire in the UK before,” said former fire safety minister in David Cameron’s government Mike Penning MP. “We have to check if the existing regulations have been adhered to and it looks to me, from a distance, that that may not be the case.”

In March, local councillor Judith Blakeman, who sits on the KCTMO board, raised residents’ fears about the installation by the National Grid of gas pipes in the main stairwells. The landlord assured her they would be boxed in with “fire-rated” protection, but this was not done, Blakeman said. She also said she requested an independent safety adjudication of the building but this was declined.

“I was treated like I was a nuisance,” said Blakeman. “I raised 19 complaints on behalf of individual residents. Every single time we were told that the board had satisfied itself that the fire safety was fine.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017...ts-in-2012

Quote:Fire safety at London's Grenfell Tower placed under review last year
Residents warned of ‘dangerous living conditions’ as owner ordered changes to way it handled fire risk in its properties

They had open gas lines running through the stairwell and "forgot" the fireproofing of that.

Repeat after me Sadiq Khan - THIS IS A TRAGEDY - also this was preventable just as the terrorist attack. Strict adherence to building code and listening to concerns of inhabitants would have prevented it.

The poor never truly matter and that is the truth. 12 dead. RIP.


Sorry to hear that - the negligence this time happened on the side of the authorities.

Post: #39

The police probably should place the landlord and board members of that property under surveillance in case they try to skip the country.

Post: #40

The media is going all out praising early-eating Muslims for being awake to rescue people.

Are they also going to say that the fire was caused by early-cooking Muslims? Somehow I think not.

Post: #41

(06-15-2017 01:04 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  The media is going all out praising early-eating Muslims for being awake to rescue people.

Are they also going to say that the fire was caused by early-cooking Muslims? Somehow I think not.

As I alluded in my first statements - the fire may have been caused by cooking alright. But the reason why it spread so fast and turned out to be so deadly was the fault of the landlord.

Post: #42

A bit of insight on this incident. First of all most of the residents in that tower block and council estate (Housing project) are Arabs or Sub Saharan African immigrants, with second/third generation immigrants on top. Probably due to the closeness to Edgeware Road which is the Arabic district. Plus sub letting is rife among council estates in Inner London, chances are there would have been up to ten people living in some of those two bedroom flats. Mostly undocumented workers or those with dodgy visas from Africa, so they will take weeks to be identified properly.

Plus I reckon that there will be tensions between the community and the authorities, police, fire service etc who the police will be protecting.

Post: #43

(06-15-2017 09:46 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Probably due to the closeness to Edgeware Road which is the Arabic district.

The last time I went down a sidestreet in Edgeware Road was crazy. Markets selling all kinds of dodgy looking meat, total disregard for any laws, teenagers on motorbikes with no helmets, kids running everywhere. You could have told me it was Afghanistan and I would have believed you.

I was on my bike following the sat nav. God knows why it took me down there. I was both worried to be unable to lock myself in a car but also happy that I could weave my way through and get the hell out of there.

Post: #44

(06-15-2017 10:19 AM)roberto Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:46 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Probably due to the closeness to Edgeware Road which is the Arabic district.

The last time I went down a sidestreet in Edgeware Road was crazy. Markets selling all kinds of dodgy looking meat, total disregard for any laws, teenagers on motorbikes with no helmets, kids running everywhere. You could have told me it was Afghanistan and I would have believed you.

I was on my bike following the sat nav. God knows why it took me down there. I was both worried to be unable to lock myself in a car but also happy that I could weave my way through and get the hell out of there.

Edgware road is actually up market, as you have a lot of rich arabs living there from either overseas or they have their own successful businesses. East London, boroughs such as Tower Hamlets, or Newham are the more run down muslim areas. Next to that will be places like Haringey and Waltham Forest. Well pretty much most inner London boroughs will have those areas.

Plus there will be the annual Notting Hill carnival taking place not long off into the future. That has always been a flashpoint since the 1970s, Notting hill carnival is just around the corner from this location, it actually takes place around the tower block. So there could be potentially a lot of 'incidents' taking place.

Post: #45

London mayor had to be escorted away by 30 police officers because someone threw a bottle at him. I'll watch this space it could get interesting.
Most of inner London is a tinderbox, people especially the 'Youth' will look for any excuse to riot. It's social justice warriorism on steroids. I predict that people from neighbouring areas will start trouble even though they don't know anyone involved or really care about the victims. Plus Jeremy Corbyn and his cronies will try to stir the pot to gain momentum as May's security detail aren't stupid enough to let her stay there.

Post: #46

(06-15-2017 11:53 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  London mayor had to be escorted away by 30 police officers because someone threw a bottle at him. I'll watch this space it could get interesting.
Most of inner London is a tinderbox, people especially the 'Youth' will look for any excuse to riot. It's social justice warriorism on steroids. I predict that people from neighbouring areas will start trouble even though they don't know anyone involved or really care about the victims. Plus Jeremy Corbyn and his cronies will try to stir the pot to gain momentum as May's security detail aren't stupid enough to let her stay there.

^^

Post: #47

There will be a demonstration later in Westminster about the whole fire and it will be directed towards local authorities, most like the police just because they represent authority in general.

Interesting how the crowds are getting angry, as are 'Celebs' like Lilly Allen, when these where the same people calling for us to turn the other cheek when Manchester happened or London bridge. I wonder why that is ?

Post: #48

(06-16-2017 03:15 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  There will be a demonstration later in Westminster about the whole fire and it will be directed towards local authorities, most like the police just because they represent authority in general.

Interesting how the crowds are getting angry, as are 'Celebs' like Lilly Allen, when these where the same people calling for us to turn the other cheek when Manchester happened or London bridge. I wonder why that is ?

It's politically correct to get angry at greedy capitalists and incompetent bureaucrats, and that's how the MSM is spinning the fire. As with what we covet, we easily hate that which we come into contact with every day. Which is also the number one reason Hollywood idiots and crowds aren't getting angry with Islam ... yet.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #49

(06-16-2017 03:43 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 03:15 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  There will be a demonstration later in Westminster about the whole fire and it will be directed towards local authorities, most like the police just because they represent authority in general.

Interesting how the crowds are getting angry, as are 'Celebs' like Lilly Allen, when these where the same people calling for us to turn the other cheek when Manchester happened or London bridge. I wonder why that is ?

It's politically correct to get angry at greedy capitalists and incompetent bureaucrats, and that's how the MSM is spinning the fire. As with what we covet, we easily hate that which we come into contact with every day. Which is also the number one reason Hollywood idiots and crowds aren't getting angry with Islam ... yet.

Sadiq Khan should have gone to the parents of the girls that were killed during the Ariana Grande concert and told them im front of the cameras that they should get used to Muslim terror as part and parcel of everyday life.

He went out here because he thought that he wold have great backing as a Muslim - it were the people who largely elected them together with the left. I guess he forgot the African immigrants who don't give a shit about his religion - it also seems that they were most of the vocals one.

Post: #50

So it's supposed to be from a "faulty fourth floor fridge" from an African cab driver's flat. Do fridges spontaneously combust? Sounds unlikely but not impossible, maybe he was covering for indoor grilling.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...92566.html

Regardless, the building is at fault, because it doesn't even have a proper alarm system, sirens should have gone on across teh building which would have limited casualties (let alone a sprinkler system). Instead the cab driver had to go door to door to warn his neighbors, most of whom were sound asleep at 2am.