Post: #326

(06-01-2017 08:16 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Sherman who's paying you bro?

My core values are anti-feminist. Not anti-Islam. And attacking innocent people is not my agenda.

Funnily enough, attacking innocent people is certainly on the agenda of Islam.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #327

Does this count as overtime for you Sherman?

Do you get medical coverage?

Post: #328

I dont want to go into this too much as I didnt really get a good response from my other post where I conflated Islam and Christianity.

The only point I want to make is that is would be difficult for anyone to criticise Islam on the basis that it is violent for the simple reason that Muslims (and others) will use the defence that those Quranic verses are being taken out of context (and refer to times when the early Muslims were under attack) and that terrorist are following a misinterpretation. Not my argument, theirs.

In my opinion the only way for this to move forward is to marginalize Islam, and other belief-based religions. A group of people living together in a country, state, or city need a common language and a common way to evaluate truth, otherwise there is misunderstanding, confusion, and conflict.

If you have groups of people living together, where one group thinks the other is going to hell for an eternity of dire punishment, then there can hardly be real harmony in between those groups. At most a distant tolerance. We all know how Islam views non-believers but let us look at the Christian perspective.

Quote:"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14).

"to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from sthe power of Satan to God, that they may receive tforgiveness of sins and ua place among those who are sanctified vby faith in me."

If there are people in your city that believe you are in the power of Satan then that is quite an unstable situation for both of you. There is a gulf there that cannot be bridged.

The problem is the legimitization of belief, because belief allows for the creation of arbitrary world-views (for the benefit of their proponents) that are incompatible and intolerant of each other. When such movements assign for themselves an authority greater than Reason, Consensus or Physicality (all things humans can agree on objectively) then that society can find itself with elements within itself seeking to destroy it, justified by it's claim of a higher authority.

For a society to function correctly it's constituents need to have a common language and authority. Our authority is democracy and it is based on reality (i.e secularism, common sense, objectivity) hence we are a secular democracy and can work towards a common goal. However, there are elements within our society (believers) who have their own goals, motivations, authority and language. It is my opinion that these need to be rooted out so our entire society can become harmonious.

Quote:THOU, mighty Agni, gatherest up all that is precious for thy friend.
Bring us all treasures as thou art enkindled in libation's place

Assemble, speak together: let your minds be all of one accord,
As ancient Gods unanimous sit down to their appointed share.

The place is common, common the assembly, common the mind, so be their thought united.
A common purpose do I lay before you, and worship with your general oblation.

One and the same be your resolve, and be your minds of one accord.
United be the thoughts of all that all may happily agree.

Post: #329

Quote:Our authority is democracy and it is based on reality

No it's not. Our society's authority rests in oligarchies who feed the masses total lies, such as equality, multiculturalism, feminism, and "scientific consensus."

All lies -

Nothing is equal, including cultures.
Women are inferior to men except when giving birth.
Science is the opposite of consensus - what people believe is irrelevant to the truth.

Post: #330

(06-01-2017 08:28 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 07:11 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 06:58 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  So get used to Islamic terror, because even if the West stopped bombing, stopped supporting Israel and gave aid for reconstruction - that would not change anything. You get 2 suicide bombers less at best.

That's fine. Personally, I have no dog in this fight. I'm more of an observer of this human spectacle on Earth. You won't see me shedding a tear for Palestinians, nor do I give a shit about dead American soldiers in Afghanistan.

I'm just a believer in "you do X you get y". We talk about that all the time on this forum, but for some reason make an exception when NATO rains bombs on Muslim villages. Keep bombing Muslims if that's what you want, but don't blame the Quran next time they fly a plane into a building.

So are middle-eastern muslims tossing gay middle eastern muslims off of tall buildings because the US is bombing them?

Secondly, if they're tossing gay muslims off of buildings in adherence to scripture, why do you think they would stop killing infidels, which is also commanded in scripture?

You're "just a believer in "you do X you get y"."

Take a low IQ population and indoctrinate them with an ideology that commands them to kill unbelievers and that dying in the process is the only sure way to get to heaven. If that's the "x", what will be the "y"?

I'm very sceptical of your capacity to link x to y in any meaningful way. You seem to be hopeful at best. There is no evidence to suggest that hundreds of years of islamic aggression will cease if we stop bombing them and fix their countries.

Would you care to suggest a reason that muslims are also aggressors against other nations, cultures and peoples that aren't bombing the middle east? How do x and y fit together there?

The gay tossings, beheadings and other jihadi death cult freakshows started under ISIS and their affiliates not too long ago. These groups are manned by mercenaries and deranged foreign jihadis who have been groomed, trained, equipped, financed and organized by foreign elements (Gulf monarchies, NATO, Israel).

These groups are not organic to places like Syria, in fact, Muslim and Christian Syrians have been fighting them for years with fewer resources.

ISIS gets literally hundreds of millions through backchannels from western intelligence agencies to produce their media. For years, most of their videos came through SITE, the outfit run by Israeli insider Rita Katz, who would somehow be in a position to publish their videos even before official ISIS outlets did. This has been documented by independent journalists like Patrick Henningsen, who has had just about the best alt media coverage on the situation in Syria at 21st Century Wire.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/04/ag...is-videos/

“The Bureau has identified transactions worth $540 million between the Pentagon and Bell Pottinger for information operations and psychological operations on a series of contracts issued from May 2007 to December 2011. A similar contract at around the same annual rate – $120 million – was in force in 2006, we have been told.”

According to Martin Wells, a freelance video editor who worked with Bell Pottinger to create the secretive Pentagon propaganda:

“The third and most sensitive programme described by Wells was the production of fake al Qaeda propaganda films. He told the Bureau how the videos were made. He was given precise instructions: “We need to make this style of video and we’ve got to use al Qaeda’s footage,” he was told. “We need it to be 10 minutes long, and it needs to be in this file format, and we need to encode it in this manner.”

“US marines would take the CDs on patrol and drop them in the chaos when they raided targets. Wells said: “If they’re raiding a house and they’re going to make a mess of it looking for stuff anyway, they’d just drop an odd CD there.”

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Post: #332

(06-01-2017 01:12 PM)911 Wrote:  The gay tossings, beheadings and other jihadi death cult freakshows started under ISIS and their affiliates not too long ago. These groups are manned by mercenaries and deranged foreign jihadis who have been groomed, trained, equipped, financed and organized by foreign elements (Gulf monarchies, NATO, Israel).

What religion are those Gulf "monarchies" (bearing in mind that, in Saudi Arabia, the phrase "His Majesty" (صاحب الجلالة) was replaced by the phrase "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques" (خادم الحرمين الشريفين)?

This is just another "ISIS =/= true Islam, it's just all dem Jooz/Sauds/McCains that make it so" argument. This is a No True Scotsman argument of the worst kind. The only difference between ISIS and "moderate" Muslims, as a whole, is that ISIS is just well-resourced enough to act out what the Quran tells them to do so explicitly.

That is demonstrable when you look at how many Muslims, even in "peaceful" Muslim countries, want shari'a to be officially instituted:



Bear in mind that shari'a is the opposite of church-state separation. It specifically and completely provides for the unalterable meshing of the two: religious judges can make property law and divorce settlements. Do you get how twisted this is? That is basically saying a fucking bishop or a priest can decide how much money your wife gets on a divorce. No secular courts, religious ones only ... leaving aside the brutality of the laws they actually enforce, which include beheadings, stonings, amputations, jizya, and dhimmitude.

And surprise, surprise, the more devout a Muslim you are, the more you want shari'a in place. This is not a survey of extremists, I might add. This is just a measure of Muslims who uphold the basic tenets of the religion, i.e. pray more than once per fucking day.



And as for their beliefs on suicide bombings...



Let's put that in context: even in "peaceful"/"moderate"/"non-Extremist" Muslim "nations" like Indonesia or Malaysia, somewhere between 7 and 18 in every 100 Muslims thinks suicide bombings are sometimes or often justified. And the remainder think it may rarely or perhaps never be justified!

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-w...-overview/

Find me a Christian nation where anywhere near 5 in every 100, 1 in 20, Christians believes suicide bombings are ever justified. Find me a Christian nation -- other than the Vatican -- where more than 5% of the population would want any church fully and officially deciding issues of divorce or family law. Or any other secular issue.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #333

(06-01-2017 01:12 PM)911 Wrote:  ...
The gay tossings, beheadings and other jihadi death cult freakshows started under ISIS and their affiliates not too long ago. These groups are manned by mercenaries and deranged foreign jihadis who have been groomed, trained, equipped, financed and organized by foreign elements (Gulf monarchies, NATO, Israel).
...

I want you to go to google images and search the seemingly benign words "gay crane Iran". Don't do it in a public location.

It unfortunately invalidates the rest of your post which is well thought out and researched but irrelevant, as sharia might be enforced more strictly under ISIS but it's still enforced in other muslim nations to various degrees and has been since long before ISIS came into being, as the google images search will attest, and in a democracy it's inarguable that more muslims = more sharia laws.

Islam cannot co-exist with the west, because the fundamental premise of our system is that religion and state do not attempt to dominate each other, while the fundamental premise of islam is that islam MUST dominate the state and indeed everything else.

Post: #334

(06-01-2017 09:22 AM)kavi Wrote:  The only point I want to make is that is would be difficult for anyone to criticise Islam on the basis that it is violent for the simple reason that Muslims (and others) will use the defence that those Quranic verses are being taken out of context (and refer to times when the early Muslims were under attack) and that terrorist are following a misinterpretation. Not my argument, theirs.

Also the argument of most supporters of atheistic inventions like Marxism and socialism when they don't work. "Wait, wait, you're not doing it right, that's why it didn't work!" No True Scotsman fallacies by definition fail to invalidate criticism of a religion, especially when you look at the results of that religion.

(06-01-2017 09:22 AM)kavi Wrote:  If you have groups of people living together, where one group thinks the other is going to hell for an eternity of dire punishment, then there can hardly be real harmony in between those groups. At most a distant tolerance. We all know how Islam views non-believers but let us look at the Christian perspective.

Quote:"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14).

"to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from sthe power of Satan to God, that they may receive tforgiveness of sins and ua place among those who are sanctified vby faith in me."

If there are people in your city that believe you are in the power of Satan then that is quite an unstable situation for both of you.

Seems to have been pretty stable across the West for the past five hundred years or so. Plenty of Christians believe their fellow men are likely going to Hell or are in the power of Satan. And yet, despite that purported "instability", insofar as there's serious blood on US or Western streets, it's been race on race -- not Christians against atheists.

Indeed that is the reason you are permitted to spit weak fedora atheism in the West and not have to worry about your head being cut off tomorrow morning. It's because Christianity has long become synonymous with tolerance, to the point of self-destruction across the West.

I'll again quote from the Dan Simmons article you should have already read:

Quote:In America, still a "Protestant Christian nation" in a way that brings down the scorn and contempt of so many citizens of post-Christian Europe, even the most fundamentalist or evangelical Christian lives and works in a modern, scientific, secular society with little conflict. A born-again Christian not only can be a lawyer in perfectly secular courts, take his or her entertainment from secular sources, spend his workdays and social evenings comfortably with people from other (or no) faiths, and can marry outside the faith, but also can work as a NASA scientist or help others as a social worker or vote for politicians of other (or no) faiths without fear of losing his soul.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #335

I would like to add also that Christian societies found the painful way that even mixing a relatively peaceful religion like Christianity into the government, politics and science - that this creates a shitload of problems. That is why Jesus actually said a few choice words on that topic:

Quote: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's".

We have many Christian men here - even strongly believing ones - bless their hearts, but they also have to acknowledge that the church, no matter how good, has to stay the fuck out of politics, science or daily life. It certainly has a moral obligation to remind the people of basic morals and customs and can even oppose vocally some decisions by politicians, but it must never interfere. The West rose because it separated church and state. The church tortured scientists and blocked research like opposing anatomy studies, because that would be blasphemy.

But that is long gone and Kavi if you ever stayed around Christians, then you would know why some missionaries have monasteries among simple tribes for sometimes 150 years and very few conversions. Some tribes simply don't care about Christianity and the nuns and priests still help the people. The very act of giving even to an unbeliever is sacred.

Atheism is insofar also dangerous as most people devolve into physical "utopianists", marxists, SJWs with a few sane detached and ethical ones.

I might also offer this one note - if I was emperor of the world, then I would do the following to deal with the Muslim issue:

+ of course stop all aggressive wars against Muslim states
+ stop Muslim immigration to West full stop
+ start teaching about Islam in detail in school, universities, TV programs - done by scholars, Ex-Muslims Ex-Salafis, dissecting the entire religion word for word, true brutal history, Quran told up and down from early peaceful verses to violent last 13 years and abrogation taugh, Hadiths told - all the gore and blood and guts
+ crack down super-hard on all Islamists - all the ones on the watchlist - I would have a special solution for them. Those that cannot be deported would be in a relatively luxurious detainment center with lots of green spaces, books, TV and internet. They get social security anyway - not having to spy on them and paying for their brats is good enough for me.
+ Deport everyone possible
+ support secular Islamic leaders like Assad full throttle - he would be given 200.000 troops on the ground if necessary
+ support secular leaders and Islamic reformers with hundreds of billions of dollars, even military aid
+ over time topple all Islamic republics and help hoist ethical strongmen onto power (finding ethical ones is not that difficult, but the globalists don't test for ethics - I would and trust me, it is not that difficult - the globalists don't test for it, because most of them are psychopaths anyway and dealing with other psychos serves them better)

This would likely result in:
+ slight increase of terror in short-term
+ massive secularization of Muslims in West and in home countries
+ huge increase of Ex-Muslims - people leaving that shitty cult like no tomorrow (you would also have full teaching of Islam also on all Muslim channels - that is super-easy to control - many Muslims would find out how wonderful Mohammed truly was)
+ rise in IQs due to decrease of inbreeding in Muslim countries
+ rise in IQs due to pregnant women not fasting during Ramadan and getting high-quality prenatal care and supplements
+ rising prosperity all around since as world-emperor I would issue interest-free money with demurrage so most people would have way more cash and work opportunity
+ release all the suppressed technologies which would also improve life quality everywhere
+ work on improving living standards everywhere in nation states that are more similar in terms of language, ethnicity, culture - not try to fucking mix people when they are too different or pump millions into countries in order to wipe out cultures and tribes - before I accept one refugee I would give 10 poor people in the host country debit cards and cash in their own places - it is still cheaper than pulling them over to West

But this will never come about.

The globalists want war with Islam and have been running a strategy of supporting radicals while at the same time claiming that Islam will coexist in the West. It won't - their plans only make sense for one of 2 goals:

1) World War III with Islam and then One World Government
2) Orwellian super-surveillance state with everyone on Earth getting chipped and thus One World Government

I see no other reason why this strategy makes any sense. The Muslim apologists and propagandists also work for the Globalists. The secular Muslim reformers are on our side, but they will not succeed. If the globalists wanted that to succeed, then they would have helped the Persian Shah, left Saddam in place, hoisted one of Gaddafi's highly secular sons into power, left Assad in peace, essentially had done the opposite of what they did. Instead they help ISIS, but the ideology of ISIS is pure Islam, the converts there are not all CIA agents, most of them are true believers and ISIS is Islam = 100% sharia.

Post: #336

I remember when the Soviet Union fell, there was an incredible celebration because the "Cold War" was finally dead. There was talk by the pundits about the "peace dividend". Defense was being cut back and companies in the defense industry were laying off people. One foolish academic even wrote a book "The End of History" claiming that the American way had finally won over the earth so history had somehow ended.

Fast forward to the present. The democratic party wants war with Russia, ISIS is considered a major threat to the world, and the military budget is increasing. WTF? ISIS, a ragtag collection of men who heard goats during half the year and fight the other half, are considered a threat to the US which has the greatest military on earth and nobody even comes close.

Who doesn't see we are being played here? People have to make money. And also Alex Jones. I remember when he was sympathetic to Muslims and how they were being fingered as the fall guys by the elites. Now Alex Jones doesn't even talk about 9/11 anymore as if it didn't happen. And he has turned full anti Islam. Now that he is getting big he has to play to his audience and is making deals with the elites who screw us all so they let him enter the mainstream. Everyone in America needs money now to survive. You can't even have your own garden.

Everyone is controlled by money now. Truth is very hard to come by. Anti-Islamic propaganda = works for the Globalists.

Post: #337

(06-02-2017 02:37 PM)Sherman Wrote:  I remember when the Soviet Union fell, there was an incredible celebration because the "Cold War" was finally dead. There was talk by the pundits about the "peace dividend". Defense was being cut back and companies in the defense industry were laying off people. One foolish academic even wrote a book "The End of History" claiming that the American way had finally won over the earth so history had somehow ended.

Fast forward to the present. The democratic party wants war with Russia, ISIS is considered a major threat to the world, and the military budget is increasing. WTF? ISIS, a ragtag collection of men who heard goats during half the year and fight the other half, are considered a threat to the US which has the greatest military on earth and nobody even comes close.

Who doesn't see we are being played here? People have to make money. And also Alex Jones. I remember when he was sympathetic to Muslims and how they were being fingered as the fall guys by the elites. Now Alex Jones doesn't even talk about 9/11 anymore as if it didn't happen. And he has turned full anti Islam. Now that he is getting big he has to play to his audience and is making deals with the elites who screw us all so they let him enter the mainstream. Everyone in America needs money now to survive. You can't even have your own garden.

Everyone is controlled by money now. Truth is very hard to come by. Anti-Islamic propaganda = works for the Globalists.

Again you Islamic apologist -

+ the globalists do finance ISIS, but most combatants are believers and the ideology is 100% Islam
+ yes - the globalists did plenty of false flags and kicked it off with 9/11
+ yes - they want Islamic terror to happen within reason

But what they don't do:

+ they are not raping their way through Europe
+ they have not attacked Europe for 1400 years and were just stopped in the last 200 years due to the overwhelming power of the West
+ they are not mutilating the genitals of the countless girls
+ they are not marrying their first cousins at rates of 20-70% in the Muslim countries
+ they are not hanging and killing gays
+ the globalists are not stoning rape victims
+ the globalists are not forcing Muslim men to behave like shitheads wherever they immigrate
+ the globalists are not honor killing and acid burning the daughters and wives of Muslims

Yes - the globalists are doing a lot, but mostly they just point them to the direction that Islam has been pointed to anyway. Yes - the globalists get rid of secular leaders now in order to usher in a nice WWIII.

But due to all the points mentioned - 80-90% of the choas now is Islam created. If you replaced all Muslims in the world with Japanese, then terror would suddenly stop. The CIA agents at ISIS would have to blow up themselves. The rapes would stop, the chaos would stop, suddenly deafening peace would happen. You could even change magically all the current Muslims to Christians and the same thing would happen.

Post: #338

Disgusting and in NYC. Allah AKbar praying in front Trump Tower. They completely block the sidewalk. Not sure how this allowed if it affects his business.

Post: #339

Following up on this video:





Look at this article: How Many Americans Are Married To Their Cousins? From FiveThirtyEight.

This map is all you need to know:

(based on 2011 data)

Post: #340

(06-02-2017 05:50 PM)kbell Wrote:  

Disgusting and in NYC. Allah AKbar praying in front Trump Tower. They completely block the sidewalk. Not sure how this allowed if it affects his business.

I've heard reports that this happens in Sydney too. It's a form of passive aggression. At a certain time the area muslims will just stop on the spot and pray. They will literally do this on the road and stop traffic on the back streets. Nobody honks their horns or tells them to fuck off because who wants to get stabbed, right?

Post: #341

I guess Joe has to earn a living.

Post: #342

(06-02-2017 02:37 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Everyone is controlled by money now. Truth is very hard to come by. Anti-Islamic propaganda = works for the Globalists.

I find this a fascinating point of view given that over in other threads you're just about creaming yourself over Duterte bringing down the hammer on Islamic militants in the Phillippines, proclaiming that you might well move there from fucking Mexico yourself as though that were a step up in the world.

Or hey, maybe you can ask your great friend Kim over in North Korea about Islam. He tries pretty hard to eradicate all religions in that state (except as they pertain to himself, of course).

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #343

(06-02-2017 07:15 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I've heard reports that this happens in Sydney too. It's a form of passive aggression. At a certain time the area muslims will just stop on the spot and pray. They will literally do this on the road and stop traffic on the back streets. Nobody honks their horns or tells them to fuck off because who wants to get stabbed, right?

I can't be the only guy who looks at stuff like this and goes "Give me one artillery shell and I will solve your terrorism problem in New York forever."

Post: #344

Hand the keys to a truck to a Shia muslim and tell them "those Sunnis down the street praying in front of Trump tower just told me that Shia muslims are dirty heretics and worse even than Jews.

Truck of peace, AWAY!

Post: #345

(06-01-2017 10:31 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 01:12 PM)911 Wrote:  The gay tossings, beheadings and other jihadi death cult freakshows started under ISIS and their affiliates not too long ago. These groups are manned by mercenaries and deranged foreign jihadis who have been groomed, trained, equipped, financed and organized by foreign elements (Gulf monarchies, NATO, Israel).

What religion are those Gulf "monarchies" (bearing in mind that, in Saudi Arabia, the phrase "His Majesty" (صاحب الجلالة) was replaced by the phrase "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques" (خادم الحرمين الشريفين)?

This is just another "ISIS =/= true Islam, it's just all dem Jooz/Sauds/McCains that make it so" argument. This is a No True Scotsman argument of the worst kind. The only difference between ISIS and "moderate" Muslims, as a whole, is that ISIS is just well-resourced enough to act out what the Quran tells them to do so explicitly.

That is demonstrable when you look at how many Muslims, even in "peaceful" Muslim countries, want shari'a to be officially instituted:



Bear in mind that shari'a is the opposite of church-state separation. It specifically and completely provides for the unalterable meshing of the two: religious judges can make property law and divorce settlements. Do you get how twisted this is? That is basically saying a fucking bishop or a priest can decide how much money your wife gets on a divorce. No secular courts, religious ones only ... leaving aside the brutality of the laws they actually enforce, which include beheadings, stonings, amputations, jizya, and dhimmitude.

And surprise, surprise, the more devout a Muslim you are, the more you want shari'a in place. This is not a survey of extremists, I might add. This is just a measure of Muslims who uphold the basic tenets of the religion, i.e. pray more than once per fucking day.



And as for their beliefs on suicide bombings...



Let's put that in context: even in "peaceful"/"moderate"/"non-Extremist" Muslim "nations" like Indonesia or Malaysia, somewhere between 7 and 18 in every 100 Muslims thinks suicide bombings are sometimes or often justified. And the remainder think it may rarely or perhaps never be justified!

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-w...-overview/

Find me a Christian nation where anywhere near 5 in every 100, 1 in 20, Christians believes suicide bombings are ever justified. Find me a Christian nation -- other than the Vatican -- where more than 5% of the population would want any church fully and officially deciding issues of divorce or family law. Or any other secular issue.

Do you see a path where gays would be prosecuted, let alone hung, in any western country, because sharia? I don't see the point of worrying about it, are gay rights in Iran something that keeps you up at night, considering our policies have killed millions across the region since the 1970s? What kind of sharia law are we going to see in America down the road? I mean, I live in a country where your children can be taken away from you if you don't believe in LGBTQWERTY...

We already have libtard sharia in place, and it's getting more deranged bu the year. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

The main problem in Europe is that there is an insidious laisser-faire from the authorities, by design, they're not just letting sores fester but also adding fuel to the fire by importing more young male refugees by the million. I've posted a video earlier in the France thread that showed how gangs of young thugs from the Maghreb collaborated with the Socialists back in the 80s/90s, this was were it all started.

And globalist stooges like Macron and Hollande are going full swing into identity politics instead of purging all salafi influence, policies that enable further extremism.

In the 1960s de Gaulle crushed riots in Paris and killed hundreds in one day, and kept the Maghreban population in line. He wasn't a real islamophobe, but he was a nationalist who understood that his government was the guardian of his nation. You don't have to round up all the muslims in camps, just set and enforce firm parameters, and send back all those who abuse the privilege granted to them by their host country.

My point above was that you didn't see muslims in the near east throwing gays off roofs or stoning women before Isis appeared, or theocracies set up. Isis in Syria is failing to take roots there because they locals are repulsed by their satanic brand of islam, they have to import radical jihadis from China or Belgium to fill their ranks, and they were given huge budgets to do so.

The Saudis are wahhabi muslims, they were put in power by the British early last century. So were the mullahs in Iran, the Khomeini regime was groomed in the UK and France and installed in the 70s by the US, just like the Shah before him, who like Saddam turned gradually into a nationalist who was looking out for his country's well-being. I guess Zel covers this above.

Wahhabis are a satanic branch of Islam, according to Jean-Michel Vernochet, a sharp red pilled French geopolitics and theology expert. In the anglosphere, David Livingstone has done a good job establishing the links between wahhabis and British elite occult circles:

Quote:The Wahhabis insinuate themselves as legitimate members of the Muslim community, but Wahhabism was created by the British, in the eighteenth century, to undermine Islam. It has since been promoted by the state of Saudi Arabia, which was originally established by the British to achieve Western control of the world’s primary oil resource. (author, “Globalists Created Wahhabi Terrorism”)

In modern times, the Wahhabis have aligned themselves with a still more pernicious deviation from Islam, the Salafi. These name themselves accordingly because they claim to follow the earliest generations of the Muslims, known as the Salaf, and therefore, to be nearest to the purity of the original faith. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Salafism was the result of a policy, at the turn of the century, of the Oxford Movement, headed by Lord Palmerston, Benjamin Disraeli and Edward Bullwer-Lytton, to spread Scottish Rite Freemasonry in the Middle East (Robert Dreyfuss, Hostage to Khomeini). Lord Palmerston was a fellow member of the Palladian Rite, along with Albert Pike, who originally devised a plot for three world wars, culminating in a third against the Muslim world. Bulwer-Lytton was a leading occult figure, heading the English Rosicrucians, which evolved directly from the Shabbatean heresy, through the Asiatic Brethren.(author, Terrorism and the Illuminati, “The Salafi”)

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/the-musl...c-brethren

Post: #346

(06-02-2017 11:30 PM)911 Wrote:  Do you see a path where gays would be prosecuted, let alone hung, in any western country, because sharia? I don't see the point of worrying about it, are gay rights in Iran something that keeps you up at night, considering our policies have killed millions across the region since the 1970s?

I'd be more worried about a religion that for 1400 years has killed millions wherever it went ... mainly because that track record indicates it's unlikely the religion is going to stop killing anytime soon wherever it goes.

Gay rights don't bother me. Unfortunately, that's not the only subject that shari'a covers.

Adultery, for instance. Good old fornication between the unmarried is included in that, one might add, so no more "courting" for you, no more "PUA" or even charity roots in the West. Adultery is punishable under shari'a by 100 lashes ... if you're a Muslim. If, however, it's adultery between a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man, the sentence is death. These are regularly applied in Qatar, which runs completely on Shari'a, and in Saudi Arabia as well, where foreigners have to be very fucking careful who they have dinner with or who they go back to their room with.

Alcohol consumption also. Forty lashes, imposed by a Saudi court, in 2013. Not being under the influence, mind you, just for the alcohol consumption alone.

Let's leave aside your status as a non-Muslim living under sharia: you pay a jizya, a non-believer poll tax, for the fact you believe in something other than Mohammed. This goes for atheists, too, one might add; you're all dhimmis at shari'a, "protected" ... in the sense that cattle are protected. Your life is quite literally worth fractions that of a Muslim. You know ISIS's practice of forcing people to wear or daub symbols identifying themselves as Christians/Jews/etc? That doesn't come from Hitler. He borrowed the idea of the yellow star from Islam, which, at shari'a, demands that very practice and did so long, long before anyone ever said "Sieg Heil."

Let's also leave aside the way shari'a is enforced in Pakistan: the religious courts have power to stop or make orders against any act by the government said to be against Islamic law, and to review adherence to Islamic law. Protestants used to shit their drawers over the prospect of JFK becoming President because they feared as a Catholic he'd take orders from the fucking Pope. That fear is reality under shari'a, in Pakistan, and, in time, many other Muslim shitholes as well. And the West is rapidly becoming a Muslim shithole.

And if you're dumb enough to convert and either continue your other faith in secret, or be impudent enough to attempt to leave the religion, as with Afghanistan, "constitutional" Afghanistan whose constitution requires it to observe the UN's freedom of religion, the sentence is death.

As for the old "Meh, it'll never come here?"

In the UK there are already shari'a courts. As night follows day, there have been accompanying complaints that the system is allowing forced marriages and discriminatory divorce proceedings. In Germany, shari'a is explicitly part of Germany's private law. In time, and with enough Muslims, it will become part of their public law as well. This happens again and again as the proportion of the population that is Muslim rises above 4% and the populace gets comfortable enough to start imposing camelfucker law on Western people.

It's in your own country right now, Canada. Public schools in Toronto literally create temporary mosques on Friday so Muslims can listen to imams. Imagine the outrage if someone proposed the school cafeteria got taken over on a Wednesday for the exclusive use of Christians to listen to a priest's sermon. Your swimming pools have started to be segregated. 62% of the Muslims in Ottawa said they wanted to live under shari'a, in a 2011 poll.

At an press conference on August 26, 2016, Trudeau revealed himself as a closet Muslim:

"After meeting thousands of new Syrian refugees, listening to their stories and learning more about the Muslim faith, I have learned to love Islam and the people of Islam. Islam promotes peace, not violence and is in fact more peaceful than Christianity. I feel like this is the religion I belong with and I should identify as."

In 2017, Trudeau appointed Ahmed Hussen, a Muslim, as his Minister of Immigration. Over the next 18 years, Canada's Muslim population is projected to more than triple.

I am amazed that people who are willing to believe in secret cabals formed against the Western people scoff at the idea that a medieval ideology can be used for colonisation and takeover. I am amazed that people who believe in Bilderberg meetings and sinister anti-vax theories are able to believe that almost a billion people who follow a book that says to kill unbelievers or at least enslave them are "peaceful" and "present no threat".

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #347

911, if you truly think that the ills between muslim and non-muslim boil down to globalist shennanigans then there's really nothing we can say or do to disprove that. 1000 muslims of different nationalities and flavours of islam could blow themselves up in teen concerts tomorrow and you could wipe it all aside with "all of them are CIA operatives or angry about middle-eastern intervention".

Frankly I don't care anymore. I want them mostly gone with only the most politically secular remaining in numbers that will never politically influence further immigration, and I will accept nothing less.

Post: #348

(06-02-2017 07:15 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:50 PM)kbell Wrote:  

Disgusting and in NYC. Allah AKbar praying in front Trump Tower. They completely block the sidewalk. Not sure how this allowed if it affects his business.

I've heard reports that this happens in Sydney too. It's a form of passive aggression. At a certain time the area muslims will just stop on the spot and pray. They will literally do this on the road and stop traffic on the back streets. Nobody honks their horns or tells them to fuck off because who wants to get stabbed, right?

Such public prayers blocking streets are shows of force.

I wold ban all public unannounced unapproved prayer of that sort. But again I would phase out Islam and tell the truth on all channels and do many more things.

Post: #349

Here is an interesting video from Bosnia showing European Muslims. Everything looks very beautiful and traditional. And it looks like they have a strong culture and raise their women to be traditional wives. This is very positive. This is proof that Islam has created a healthy environment where Europeans can have stable lives and procreate.

Post: #350

Hey Sherman.

About that islamic immigration in Mexico.

Care to discuss it yet?