Post: #126

(06-01-2017 09:05 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:50 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  There are TONS of places in NJ where you can walk. Ever been to Hudson County? Ever been to nice cities in Morris County or walkable beautiful suburbs in Bergen County? There are literally hundreds of walkable towns in NJ and many other northeastern states.

I agree that Americans are workaholic - that's precisely why I like the culture. This whole "mañana mañana" attitude is stifling and makes things go way too slow for my taste.

I don't know Italy too much but know that in Spain many many people work LONG hours. They work LONG "chinese" style hours for very LOW pay. Which Americans have you been meeting? I don't know that many who get something to eat as late as 8 pm and then go to bed immediately after. Not saying it doesn't exist...but I don't know many who would have dinner so late.

Just as you don't get the Wall Street mentality, I don't get what's so attractive about sitting in a plaza all day long surrounded by pigeon crap and talking about what exactly? My impression is that in Mediterranean cultures people just sit for hours over coffee or beer talking about well..."much ado about nothing". That's not the life I was meant to live and I am glad I was able to see for myself just how living in Europe long-term is not a place to be if you want to be really successful in life.

I'm not sure, if you want to walk in Newark or Jersey City in NJ. Not a really pleasant place to walk, especially when it gets dark.

Only places that's alright walking around is Weehawken and Hoboken. Just because those places are like 5 mins away from Manhattan. %99 of the New Jersey is not walkable. I mean, state is pretty much %80 made out of highways.

Since I majored Finance in college in New York, most of my friends work at banks and Wall Streets. After living 10 years in US, I still don't understand Americans most of the time. What's the purpose of working 12 hours a day? Did you just come to world, just to play around numbers all day everyday and pay the bills?

My best friend's father is 66 year old. He owns 5 restaurants in the city and my friend says, he has over $20 millions in the bank. His father also owns 3 apartment's in Manhattan and 1 in Miami.

His father still catches 10.20 am Long Island Railroad train everyday to Manhattan everyday and get back home at 11 pm.

Dude is 66 year old. He has $20 million cash, owns 3 apartments in the city, renting out. Also owns his house on Long Island, plus 1 summer place in Miami.

Why is he working? He's 66 year old. He got maybe 10 years to live on this earth, maybe not. I'm pretty sure, he won't be able to spend all his money in 10 years unless he does some stupid shit, like gambling or investing on shit that he doesnt know.

But I know why he's working. Because he doesn't know anything else to do other than working like a slave. How will you have a hobby when you work 12 hours/6 days every week? That's all he did rest of his life. That's American style of living.

I didn't even begin to tell you Wall St life yet. That's even worse than other industries.

If you think being successful is, having many zero's in your bank account by the time you're 66 and waste your young years by working 12 hours a day, I surely don't want to be successful when I'm old.

I'd rather enjoy the world when I'm young and healthy.

I'm not sure if I'd want to walk at night in MANY European ghettos. Have you ever walked around Paris at night? It can be quite dangerous EVEN in the central areas. Ever heard of all the violent robberies in Barcelona or Madrid against tourists? NYC, by contrast, is MUCH safer in the central areas when compared to major European capitals, including London. Jersey City and Newark? C'mon man, you can do better than that. How about all the wealthy, I repeat, WALKABLE suburbs in Bergen County and in states like Massachusetts? Plenty of "walkable" towns. Not every town in Europe is "walkable" either. I've seen tons of towns in Spain where you're screwed if you don't have a car...and what's worse, having a car in any European country is MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE than in the US. It seems anything that makes people's lives more comfortable or convenient is severely punished in Euroland.

Your mentality is quite...shall we say "Catholic", typical Southern Euro. Not for me, thanks. I'd much rather be working at 66 and being useful than sitting in a table doing nothing but drinking red wine and playing cards (As many old folks do in Spain). That's boring as hell, no money is being made and you are just rotting away forever in the same town. You say you like sitting in cafes and staring at people...no wonder you went back to Italy! You'd love Madrid too...if you were a "funcionario" (civil servant) you'd work lame ass 9 am to 2 pm, get paid a mediocre but "living" wage (unless you are a politician since stealing and being corrupt has no consequences in Spain or I presume Italy)...then you can leave work at 2 pm, sit all day in the Plaza Mayor and just stare at people as you sip your wine or caña. That's certainly not the lifestyle that I want and if that makes you happy ok, but it isn't for ambitious people. For me, most Europeans are, at least "the system" itself, I can't speak for all Europeans but Europe to me is made for weaklings...so it's no surprise that lame American liberals and trashy feminists would love Euroland so much.

Post: #127

(06-02-2017 12:24 AM)atlant Wrote:  Honestly have never seen someone as bitter and cynical as OP on the forum. He'll even tell you that being outside and enjoying life is a bad thing. It's actually hilarious. This is his third thread (by my count) of constant bitching and whining about Spain and Europe. Even the most desperate, sexually frustrated advice seekers over in the Game forum don't lash out like he does. Is that what no sex for 10 years does to you? Or maybe he got scammed? Either way, I can't see someone with such a penchant for wallowing in misery and putting others down succeeding anywhere, be it Europe or the US. As was pointed out before, constant whining about an environment that doesn't adapt to you and putting the blame on others is exactly what many Spaniards love to do.

Wow, good to know you know so many juicy details about my sex life...even that I haven't had sex in 10 years (despite the fact that my sex life in Spain has been WAYYYY better than in the US...but you know best! You know about other people's lives more than they do! They should even hire you as a national intelligence expert! You may even turn out to be just as useful as the French intelligence agency. Thanks for your comments - another person on my ignore list.

Post: #128

(06-02-2017 03:50 AM)Nowak Wrote:  Rossi is on the money. Ideally the best isnt even to use pt but to walk everywhere. In Wien I used PT 40-50 percent or walked everywhere. Never had a car ,its really liberating. Back in the states I managed to make it work also w/o a car waking to highschool /town /train to manhatten living at uni. I really cannot for the love of God understand car culture.

Was reading this thread with interest. The OP is from spain,Im understanding more and more why med guys shit on med countries and why they would prefer the US or other Anglo nations. Im currently with a good buddy right now on the med in Sicilia and his brother really likes America and my friend prefers Northern Europe. Both of them are also somewhat red pilled and pulled 8s from other nations.

Latin socities at least in Western Europe are very inflexible and the expression more often than not breaking balls is used whenever describing interactions with women. Many people here in Sicilia have Romanian gfs or wives. The Balkans which has a more latin vibe than the rest of Europe the girls are less erratic and more direct than Italy or Spain.

Its like a false patriarchy here,women are hotter than the north and a bit more traditional but they boss their men around or are extremely annoying just as their moms do to their sons. Similar shit to my own (((chosen))) culture.

Err...I'm NOT from Spain. I've lived here for over 10 years though.

I TOTALLY agree with your observations. The men here think they are "machos" but they are totally totally bossed around by their loud cigarette smoking bitchy rude women. I have seen the way so many Spaniard women treat their boyfriends and there are several TOUGH laws against even threatening your girlfriend...the laws in Spain are completely stacked against men. Many Spaniard men would love to have an Eastern Euro girl or a Northern European or Latin American chicas since they are more femenine, not always bitching around and screaming and fewer smokers.

Post: #129

I dont know if you guys heard about this

https://www.thelocal.it/20170320/italian...pean-women

Of course there were some exaggerations but local women are cleary butthurt over more competition

http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art99.htm


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/...ublic/amp/

These two articles are also interesting for a read.

Post: #130

(06-01-2017 11:53 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 01:41 PM)Vicious Wrote:  OP you stayed and was miserable for 10 years but remained because of work.

How am I supposed to respect a man that puts work before his personal well-being on a self-improvement forum?

I was NOT miserable for 10 years. NOT AT ALL. The first several years actually were like one long party. The trouble is that, like after most long parties, the hangovers are terrible and then reality sets in and you see that Spain is not a place for ambitious types.

By your own account you've been miserable. You've spent 6 pages saying as much. Whether it was only for the last 8, 6 or 4 years is beside the point.

Quote: And work, especially if it contributes to your prosperity, is MOST CERTAINLY personal well-being. To work is to have dignity. Retirement would never be a word in my vocabulary.

Spoken like a true drone. Now fetch my coffee and have those slides ready for me by Monday, you've got all weekend getting them done after all.

Post: #131

(06-02-2017 10:38 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:53 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 01:41 PM)Vicious Wrote:  OP you stayed and was miserable for 10 years but remained because of work.

How am I supposed to respect a man that puts work before his personal well-being on a self-improvement forum?

I was NOT miserable for 10 years. NOT AT ALL. The first several years actually were like one long party. The trouble is that, like after most long parties, the hangovers are terrible and then reality sets in and you see that Spain is not a place for ambitious types.

By your own account you've been miserable. You've spent 6 pages saying as much. Whether it was only for the last 8, 6 or 4 years is beside the point.

Quote: And work, especially if it contributes to your prosperity, is MOST CERTAINLY personal well-being. To work is to have dignity. Retirement would never be a word in my vocabulary.

Spoken like a true drone. Now fetch my coffee and have those slides ready for me by Monday, you've got all weekend getting them done after all.

What a joke. Note the part that I said "contributes to your well being"...

I have not been miserable and if that's what you take out of what I write, then you just don't have reading comprehension. I say it is not a place for me...that doesn't mean I have to be miserable.

Post: #132

(06-02-2017 02:23 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 12:24 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  This is what kills me about most Europeans. Get a bloody car.

European public transit outside of the major cities is crap. The first thing I did when I moved to Europe was buy a cheap car. I proceeded to drive it around the entire continent for the same price as a train ticket to every major city. Privacy, cleanliness, and the best part is not having to deal with other riff raff.

America is a car paradise, especially Los Angeles. If you came to America and didn't rent a car you did it wrong.

I hate driving. It's waste of money. You have to pay for the car, you have to pay for the insurance, you can't drink and drive, you have to do the watch out for traffic rules, you have to watch out for cops, you sit in the traffic, you have to change oil, you gotta repair, you gotta find a parking spot etc.

It's too much work. Thats why I loved Manhattan. I paid almost twice as more rent in Manhattan than what I was paying in LA but I didn't have to buy a car and not deal with that.

What's the purpose of living in the city if you have to drive? The meaning of the living in the city is that you're in center of everything where you can reach by walking. This is not the case in many of cities in US. I was living in West Hollywood but I had to drive 40 minutes every day to get to school.

I enjoy walking, being active, checking girls out, sitting at cafe's and watching people. You can't really do that with a car. I had car when I lived in LA for 2 years but I hated every single minute of it. I have a car in Milan too but it's getting rotten in parking lot. I rarely drive.

To wit I say:

1. Driving isn't expensive at all. When I lived in England, I picked up a POS prius. My insurance was GBP1000 for a whole year, my road tax 10 quid, and my fill up cost 40 quid every three weeks. I drove that car for 2 years before I sold it. Oil changes cost me 45 pounds for a filter and 4 quarts of oil done three times each year. Bugger never broke down, nor did it need any service in that time. Find a better car.

Not to mention, if riding public transit everyday isn't enough of an incentive to improve your lot in life, nothing is. Riding the subways and buses in Boston, NYC, London, and Berlin was frankly disgusting. Thankfully, my morning gym time allowed me to shower off the grim of everyone else around me.

2. Drinking is woefully unhealthy and expensive. Nothing was more detrimental to keeping good gym gains than drinking. Once I cut that out, my fitness regiment started to get serious. You're trying to tell me you go out drinking every weekend? No wonder you can't afford to keep a car!

3. There's many places to people watch all over Los Angeles. Drive to where ever, park, and have fun. Santa Monica, Echo Park, Venice pick your poison.

Just the other weekend, I hiked up to the Hollywood sign (not via Mt Lee Rd). Parked at the reservoir and proceeded to walk in a giant 5 mile circle. Met a curious group of girls and various other folks along the way and since we had my dog everybody wanted to stop and talk. Come on man, be more creative!

But hey, if you enjoy living in cramped spaces and being stuffed into over crowded subway cars that's your perogative! Been there, done that, and now have a much larger living space to show for it.

As for your complaint about Americans working too hard, the key you're missing here is that those folks enjoy their work and derive pleasure from it to the point where they don't feel the need to waste their lives away drinking in a cafe somewhere in the Mediterranean. Being passionate about work is a good thing.

(06-02-2017 10:38 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:53 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 01:41 PM)Vicious Wrote:  OP you stayed and was miserable for 10 years but remained because of work.

How am I supposed to respect a man that puts work before his personal well-being on a self-improvement forum?

I was NOT miserable for 10 years. NOT AT ALL. The first several years actually were like one long party. The trouble is that, like after most long parties, the hangovers are terrible and then reality sets in and you see that Spain is not a place for ambitious types.

By your own account you've been miserable. You've spent 6 pages saying as much. Whether it was only for the last 8, 6 or 4 years is beside the point.

You can enjoy your work and begin to loathe the culture your work takes place in.

Had that happen in Boston. The first year was a raging party, but it all started to fall apart for various reasons. Then reality hit: insufferable massholes, the subway breaking down every other week, paying NYC prices for small town amenities, miserable night scene attitudes, perpetual students, "what are you studying?" Nothing, i have a real job. If I wasn't getting paid as well as I was, I would have bailed a lot faster.

After three years, I was done. Never again!

Post: #133

Quote:... if riding public transit everyday isn't enough of an incentive to improve your lot in life, nothing is. Riding the subways and buses in Boston, NYC, London, and Berlin was frankly disgusting.

Amen! (Typing this from a bus terminal... )

Post: #134

Most people dont enjoy their work as most people work menial jobs or mind numbing xl spreadsheet corp jobs. This is why European style paid leave and workers rights are so important. I do think ubi could be a reality eventually. Merkan style wagecucking is retarded and even more retarded when muh freedom types defend it.

Europeans do on average have smaller dwelling spaces but how much space do you need if you arent a horder or lethargic. Going on walks is a very European thing in this regard

The average person would prefer the Berlin metro over most auto commutes. Most LArs are watering their mouths when they hear about Berlin style commutes,heck LA commutes are a reason why people leave Calif,toxic enough to say FU to the whole state

Post: #135

As a non-driver myself, for years I shunned cars and the fact that driving is much more prevalent in America. But as others have said, once you hit maturity...eg: 30s...public transportation, however good and widespread it is, is the worst. It is soul destroying to have to share a bus all the time with smelly strangers, old and slow people, shoving...no truly wealthy man uses public transport ALL the time except on some occasions and mostly for show...but yeah, after I return to America I will get my driving license back and hit the road. No more sharing with strangers, no more timetables to depend on, I can regulate MY OWN temperature in the car, etc, etc. ON MY TERMS...this is the one thing that if you like, you will suffer in Euroland - they don't understand doing things on YOUR terms but rather, like women, they mostly think about "society" at large. Screw society - the individual and his interests most be paramount.

Post: #136

The best of both worlds is living in the city and being able to afford a driver

America's public transportation system is terrible overall and the highways are jam-packed near sizeable cities. You'll want to work unconventional hours or live close to your workplace in the city and near suburbs.

Currently in a Friday afternoon traffic jam and it's 2pm.

Post: #137

You are correct as most Americans dont live in or near mega cities. Thats where the buck stops. As horrible and shitty the mta is,its infinitely better than commuting by car into ny or around the lohud area. Driving is great if you dont have to worry about traffic,shit weather,delays,closures on the park turnpike ,potholes. Most rvfrs arent living in flyover country.

Post: #138

^^ I actually agree with that stance regarding public transportation. I think last time I rode the metro or a bus in my home town was 10 yeas ago.
But why didn't you get a car in Spain?

I don't understand some of these last posts, just because Rossi does not like to drive, that does not mean all europeans share that perspecrive, and no one needs to go to the US to drive a car...we have cars in Europe too.

Post: #139

(06-02-2017 01:06 PM)Nowak Wrote:  Most people dont enjoy their work as most people work menial jobs or mind numbing xl spreadsheet corp jobs. This is why European style paid leave and workers rights are so important. I do think ubi could be a reality eventually. Merkan style wagecucking is retarded and even more retarded when muh freedom types defend it.

Europeans do on average have smaller dwelling spaces but how much space do you need if you arent a horder or lethargic. Going on walks is a very European thing in this regard

The average person would prefer the Berlin metro over most auto commutes. Most LArs are watering their mouths when they hear about Berlin style commutes,heck LA commutes are a reason why people leave Calif,toxic enough to say FU to the whole state

The ironic part about Europe is this: so many of people take public transit that the traffic in major Europeans cities is nonexistent. I drove into the city centers of many european cities and the traffic at 7-8am in the morning was missing entirely. This was especially so in Berlin, it was a dream! I even drove into Amsterdam which was hilarious trying to dodge the bicylefags. Still there wasn't any traffic. The only city that wasn't like this was Paris, but I think population size is the ultimate driver for how long a commute is. On an unrelated note, Angelenos wouldn't last one winter in Berlin. They'd trade their public transit in for their car and freeway traffic once they froze their rear end off.

But onto a different point, there's a very large and pervasive sense of cultural mediocrity that sticks to European culture. If I was an uber elite rich man, Europe would be the best place to set up shop and live.

Why? Well for starters, the entire populace of every major western European country has been convinced by their elites that having mediocre public healthcare, subsidized schooling, over priced and small (but Organic!) food, long vacation days, public transportation, postage stamp housing, are all good things!

Necessity is the mother of invention and Europe's entrepreneurial spirit has been mightily extinguished by their elite's efforts through an odd mixture socialism and open markets. Obviously entrepreneurs still exist (we have a few here on the forum), but most won't even try. Why bother improving your lot if you're eking out a marginally comfortable existence already? The rich stay rich and the poor stay poor.

The ironic part that got me the most is when you meet a European of means, they sound almost American. They've got their big house, private health care, car, and love to tell you about their various trips to America.

Europe to a large extent is a has been continent stuck in the glory of their days gone by. If I ever have another job assignment there again, I'll only go if they're paying me the appropriate cost of living comparison. No way am I living in a sub 600 sq ft apartment again.

(06-02-2017 01:25 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I don't understand some of these last posts, just because Rossi does not like to drive, that does not mean all europeans share that perspecrive, and no one needs to go to the US to drive a car...we have cars in Europe too.

Re-read what I wrote. That's not the point I was making at all.

Post: #140

(06-02-2017 01:21 PM)Nowak Wrote:  You are correct as most Americans dont live in or near mega cities. Thats where the buck stops. As horrible and shitty the mta is,its infinitely better than commuting by car into ny or around the lohud area. Driving is great if you dont have to worry about traffic,shit weather,delays,closures on the park turnpike ,potholes. Most rvfrs arent living in flyover country.

Oh sure but what do you think the bus is near NYC? It's horrible -- have you ever been to the Port Authority Bus Terminal during rush hour? I'd rather wait HOURS in MY car rather than standing in a long line, in a dirt hole surrounded by homeless and other undesirables. So yeah, there's all that you have to deal with but at least it's YOUR car...when you sit your ass down you know only YOUR ass has touched that seat and I could go on and on but most people get my point.

The ideal is to live close to your job if you live in the city so that NEITHER subway or car is an issue.

Post: #141

(06-02-2017 01:25 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^ I actually agree with that stance regarding public transportation. I think last time I rode the metro or a bus in my home town was 10 yeas ago.
But why didn't you get a car in Spain?

I don't understand some of these last posts, just because Rossi does not like to drive, that does not mean all europeans share that perspecrive, and no one needs to go to the US to drive a car...we have cars in Europe too.

I didn't get a car in Spain because it was totally unnecessary where I lived (I work from home anyway and I've also taught at uni so where I lived was within walking distance to the local college). I've never had to really commute in my life since I've mostly worked from home OR taught in places near my house. So commuting is a non-issue for me. But since a car is more prevalent in the US, I'm definitely going to get back my driver's license.

PS for all: Most Spanish actually prefer to drive. Madrid has lots of traffic in the morning. It is one of the few Euro countries where most people own their own home and have their own car...Spain is getting more and more bike fags, but compared to Amsterdam or Berlin, it's still pretty good in that regard.

Post: #142

I think gross majority of europeans prefer to drive, not only Spanish. Germans drive a lot, it is the country of good cars after all, BMW, Mercedes etc. The bike thing is more circunscripted to Northern Europe, and specifically to Netherlands and Belgium. Even Eastern Europeans would rather go in an old Lada, then in the smelly morning Mashrutka with -20 celsius. That is why I think this is a non issue.

Post: #143

@thebeast1 in my personal experience as well as the experience of others public education,transport and health care,at least in Austria are much much better than anywhere in the US. For most of western Europe this is true as well from other transcontinental friends/cousins I have and my own experience living across Europe. The reason isnt about ideology or mediocrity,its about efficiency and what is most logical. In the US when I go to the doctor I have to deal with paper work,nurses,waiting times and annoying pharma ads everywhere. In Europe I can see my GP without any hastle. In European universities you have 3 years in bachelors and a much more streamlined and effective system with instruction and what you should know. This is one reason why those "socialist" Europeans have a debt to gdp ratio thats lower on average than America. Being fat and stupid isnt good for government coffers. If PT wasn't desired ,there wouldnt be PT. Im talking about large cities of course. Rocha is correct ,most Europeans own cars. Given the continents population density and urbanization,for childless people or with families in large cities its a good thing we dont need a car like in most of the US.


BPS did a great video on why autoculture and the urban spawl is a bad thing. Its worth a watch/listen


@Baldrich , the MTA ,specifically metro north and the subway most people prefer over using a car regulary. I agree with you about buses and the port authority

Buses in America are garbage tier in general

Post: #144

Also Germany is the country of the Autobahn's with no speed limit. Truly a joy for guys like me who love to to drive and speeding.

The Beast does not portray an accurate description of Europe as a whole, just because Amsterdam and Berlin do not have traffic at 8 am does not mean that it is the same in every city. But I highly doubt there is no traffic in a Capital city like Berlin. Public transportation works wonderfully in Germany, but plenty of cars in Munich, Dusseldorf, Koln, Hamburg or Frankfurt for example. In Portugal even 2nd or 3d tier Braga is a traffic hell, as it is Sevilla in Spain, as it is Kiev, Moscow, Paris, Madrid, Porto, Barcelona, Stockholm, Rome, Warsaw, London, Marseille...

Post: #145

(06-02-2017 04:50 PM)Nowak Wrote:  @thebeast1 in my personal experience as well as the experience of others public education,transport and health care,at least in Austria are much much better than anywhere in the US. For most of western Europe this is true as well from other transcontinental friends/cousins I have and my own experience living across Europe. The reason isnt about ideology or mediocrity,its about efficiency and what is most logical. In the US when I go to the doctor I have to deal with paper work,nurses,waiting times and annoying pharma ads everywhere. In Europe I can see my GP without any hastle. In European universities you have 3 years in bachelors and a much more streamlined and effective system with instruction and what you should know. This is one reason why those "socialist" Europeans have a debt to gdp ratio thats lower on average than America. Being fat and stupid isnt good for government coffers. If PT wasn't desired ,there wouldnt be PT. Im talking about large cities of course. Rocha is correct ,most Europeans own cars. Given the continents population density and urbanization,for childless people or with families in large cities its a good thing we dont need a car like in most of the US.


BPS did a great video on why autoculture and the urban spawl is a bad thing. Its worth a watch/listen


@Baldrich , the MTA ,specifically metro north and the subway most people prefer over using a car regulary. I agree with you about buses and the port authority

Buses in America are garbage tier in general

I greatly disagree when it comes to healthcare at least with my experience in the UK. Nurses and doctors were miserable and there was a lack of professionalism and courtesy all around. I needed a dentist and learned the hard way that you go to your GP first who then recommends the next steps. It took me 2 months to see my GP and then another 3 to see a dentist. This was in London of all places. I do trust that your experiences in Austria were much better.

Previously in the US, all I needed to do was call any dentist, make an appointment (normally a week in advance) , walk in, give them my insurance card, see a dentist, pay a $20
copay, and that's the end of it. No need for this referral crap.

I'll give you this, at least you guys get what you pay for when it comes to public transit. It runs for the most part and is maddeningly expensive.

Same goes for your universities. Smart of you guys to force the cost of this down.

Finally, i'm not sure where you're getting this "low debt to GDP ratio". The info here contradicts what you're saying: https://tradingeconomics.com/country-lis...ent=europe

Austria coming in at a fat 84%. Belgium at 105%. France is at 96%. The US isn't any better, but we've got the guns so good luck on those who try and collect on that.

In closing, i'll say this: I enjoyed my time living in Europe, but my perception of it as a fully functioning, highly efficient socialist utopia was shattered which is a good thing. It has its ups and downs and I've certainly enjoyed spelling out the reality to American libtards about it. Would I do it again? Of course, however it would only be if I can shelter the majority of my income in tax havens.

If America allowed unfettered immigration from western Europe like it did in the 19th century, the people in Europe who drive their economies would leave and move to the US in a heart beat.

Edit: You know, it's probably not fair to compare Europe as a single entity like we do the US. Even with the EU, things are so wildly different every 100 miles it's nuts.

Post: #146

(06-02-2017 04:29 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  I'm not sure if I'd want to walk at night in MANY European ghettos. Have you ever walked around Paris at night? It can be quite dangerous EVEN in the central areas. Ever heard of all the violent robberies in Barcelona or Madrid against tourists? NYC, by contrast, is MUCH safer in the central areas when compared to major European capitals, including London. Jersey City and Newark? C'mon man, you can do better than that. How about all the wealthy, I repeat, WALKABLE suburbs in Bergen County and in states like Massachusetts? Plenty of "walkable" towns. Not every town in Europe is "walkable" either. I've seen tons of towns in Spain where you're screwed if you don't have a car...and what's worse, having a car in any European country is MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE than in the US. It seems anything that makes people's lives more comfortable or convenient is severely punished in Euroland.

Your mentality is quite...shall we say "Catholic", typical Southern Euro. Not for me, thanks. I'd much rather be working at 66 and being useful than sitting in a table doing nothing but drinking red wine and playing cards (As many old folks do in Spain). That's boring as hell, no money is being made and you are just rotting away forever in the same town. You say you like sitting in cafes and staring at people...no wonder you went back to Italy! You'd love Madrid too...if you were a "funcionario" (civil servant) you'd work lame ass 9 am to 2 pm, get paid a mediocre but "living" wage (unless you are a politician since stealing and being corrupt has no consequences in Spain or I presume Italy)...then you can leave work at 2 pm, sit all day in the Plaza Mayor and just stare at people as you sip your wine or caña. That's certainly not the lifestyle that I want and if that makes you happy ok, but it isn't for ambitious people. For me, most Europeans are, at least "the system" itself, I can't speak for all Europeans but Europe to me is made for weaklings...so it's no surprise that lame American liberals and trashy feminists would love Euroland so much.

Yes, I walked in Paris at night, even midnight since I lived there 4 months last year. Nothing really happened. I also lived in New Jersey for around 7 months and my cousin still is living in New Jersey ever since he was born. New Jersey is not somewhere you can walk. What are you arguing over here?

You're keep saying Bergen County, tell me the name of the town you are referring to. Hoboken and Weehawken is nice, other than that, you can't really walk anywhere in NJ. What's there to see in Newark while you're walking anyway? No, thanks. Jersey City? That's like small Middle East.

I'm not talking about 2 street towns where you walk back and forth like a lunatic. I'm talking about a city where you can walk 2-3 hours. Like, Manhattan, Rome, Firenze, Barcelona,Milan, Paris, London etc.

I never said whole Europe is walkable. That's why I'm not living in those places where you can't. I heard Germany is like that and I would never ever consider living there anyway but as I visited Barcelona few times, I think I can manage to live there.

Yes, it's different mentality. You'd love to work like a slave 12 hours/6 days when you're 66 and make money, deposit into bank when you'll die within 10 years. His child makes jokes around him saying that, "I appreciate my ambitious father how hard he works at the age of 66, 12 hours and 6 days to save money, so I can spend all of it once he dies." in public and everyone laughs.

What's the purpose of making money when you don't have time to spend it? A person who's 66 year old, works Tuesday to Sunday straight for 12 hours, let's say he makes $1 million a year, why is he earning money when he doesnt have time to spend it? Guy didn't even go to vacation for past 7 years. What kind of life is this?

His son is waiting him to die, so he can quit work and spend all his money.

Post: #147

(06-02-2017 05:33 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 04:50 PM)Nowak Wrote:  @thebeast1 in my personal experience as well as the experience of others public education,transport and health care,at least in Austria are much much better than anywhere in the US. For most of western Europe this is true as well from other transcontinental friends/cousins I have and my own experience living across Europe. The reason isnt about ideology or mediocrity,its about efficiency and what is most logical. In the US when I go to the doctor I have to deal with paper work,nurses,waiting times and annoying pharma ads everywhere. In Europe I can see my GP without any hastle. In European universities you have 3 years in bachelors and a much more streamlined and effective system with instruction and what you should know. This is one reason why those "socialist" Europeans have a debt to gdp ratio thats lower on average than America. Being fat and stupid isnt good for government coffers. If PT wasn't desired ,there wouldnt be PT. Im talking about large cities of course. Rocha is correct ,most Europeans own cars. Given the continents population density and urbanization,for childless people or with families in large cities its a good thing we dont need a car like in most of the US.


BPS did a great video on why autoculture and the urban spawl is a bad thing. Its worth a watch/listen


@Baldrich , the MTA ,specifically metro north and the subway most people prefer over using a car regulary. I agree with you about buses and the port authority

Buses in America are garbage tier in general

I greatly disagree when it comes to healthcare at least with my experience in the UK. Nurses and doctors were miserable and there was a lack of professionalism and courtesy all around. I needed a dentist and learned the hard way that you go to your GP first who then recommends the next steps. It took me 2 months to see my GP and then another 3 to see a dentist. This was in London of all places. I do trust that your experiences in Austria were much better.

Previously in the US, all I needed to do was call any dentist, make an appointment (normally a week in advance) , walk in, give them my insurance card, see a dentist, pay a $20
copay, and that's the end of it. No need for this referral crap.

I'll give you this, at least you guys get what you pay for when it comes to public transit. It runs for the most part and is maddeningly expensive.

Same goes for your universities. Smart of you guys to force the cost of this down.

Finally, i'm not sure where you're getting this "low debt to GDP ratio". The info here contradicts what you're saying: https://tradingeconomics.com/country-lis...ent=europe

Austria coming in at a fat 84%. Belgium at 105%. France is at 96%. The US isn't any better, but we've got the guns so good luck on those who try and collect on that.

In closing, i'll say this: I enjoyed my time living in Europe, but my perception of it as a fully functioning, highly efficient socialist utopia was shattered which is a good thing. It has its ups and downs and I've certainly enjoyed spelling out the reality to American libtards about it. Would I do it again? Of course, however it would only be if I can shelter the majority of my income in tax havens.

If America allowed unfettered immigration from western Europe like it did in the 19th century, the people in Europe who drive their economies would leave and move to the US in a heart beat.

Edit: You know, it's probably not fair to compare Europe as a single entity like we do the US. Even with the EU, things are so wildly different every 100 miles it's nuts.

Oh yes -- this is absolutely true. Healthcare in the UK is DEPRESSING and miserable. UK is such a screwed up place that they can't even get their own doctors and nurses so they have to import cheap labor from either the Euro continent or India, etc.

Healthcare in Spain is "ok" but you've got to deal with long waiting lists, rudeness (unless you "know the right people"---Spain is a very Latin country so if you know the right people, of course no waiting list! Corruption is RAMPANT in any public system of health. The US system is horrible, true, but at least you can choose your doctor IF you have semi decent insurance. Nobody dies in the US from not having insurance and nobody is left to die at the hospital doorsteps as many Europeans wrongfully claim (or ignorantly).

Post: #148

(06-02-2017 07:21 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  Nobody dies in the US from not having insurance

What?

Now you're just talking straight out of your ass.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/20...-coverage/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-f...insurance/

Post: #149

Rossi Wrote:Yes, I walked in Paris at night, even midnight since I lived there 4 months last year. Nothing really happened. I also lived in New Jersey for around 7 months and my cousin still is living in New Jersey ever since he was born. New Jersey is not somewhere you can walk. What are you arguing over here?

I know NJ VERY well -- it is VERY walkable in Hudson County -- unbelievable public transportation, NJ Transit on Boulevard East runs 24 hours...you've got Hoboken as you yourself even admitted but then you have other areas that are just as walkable as any comparably sized euro city or town: Morristown -- you can survive without a car. Montclair, same...and plus you even get humongous mansions as a bonus...ten times the living space you would get in a comparable euro town. Englewood Cliffs is walkable. Several other towns have a nice well kept downtown or Main Street. NJ is most certainly walkable. Sure, of course you have suburbs that require a car...but that's the same EVERYWHERE. C'mon, be real: NJ is NOT Florida where, I admit, you would die without access to a car. But NJ? No way, at least...not in the right places.

I'm glad nothing happened to you in Paris...especially since you know, Islamic people they've let in with no controls whatsoever seem to really enjoy ramming trucks into people from time to time...just like in Germany...and when they're not doing that, the Moroccan youths are busy pickpocketing or mugging tourists. It's happened to many female friends who've gotten mugged in either Paris or Barcelona. And, I'm talking about hardcore guys and gals from cities in the US where one would think there is more violence or danger...but the level of street crime in Euro capital cities is out of control. There are dozens of no go areas in Paris alone and London!

You say Jersey City is like the Middle East. Oh, and Paris isn't? LOL. Ever visited Frankfurt? Loads and loads of Muslims walking around and what's worse. at least in the US they don't (at least not yet) run over people in crowded Christmas markets.
Then you've got beautiful Cape May just a few hours from NYC with Victorian mansions, a walkable area, conservative local politics. Newark and Jersey City are NOT the only walkable places in NJ. See above for others. And that's just NJ. Upstate New York also has lots of walkable towns with a nice Main Street area. I recommend you visit Goshen, to put an example...and other towns in Orange and Westchester County.

You say you want to walk 2-3 hours. Seriously? Who would want to walk hours and hours? What's the point of that? I love walking myself, but really, 2-3 hours? Manhattan, Boston, Chicago...heck, even Greenville, South Carolina is walkable downtown.

Making your OWN money at 66 and being a boss over others is the opposite of being a slave. What's so "free" about giving more than half your paycheck to the government in exchange for sitting in a plaza playing cards, sipping bad red wine that stains your teeth and doing what exactly for yourself and the world? Just laughing and "being nice"?

What's the purpose of making money if you don't have time to spend it? How about saving it? Why spend spend spend? That's a very female mentality. Responsible people in life SAVE SAVE SAVE. If it weren't for savings, there'd be no capital and most places would be shitholes. The reason why wealth is still semi present in the West is thanks to you know, those "boring Protestant party poopers who work work and don't expect Papa State to owe them a living. Man Europe is really messed up. Enjoy it! I'll just come back to visit occasionally and laugh at the decadence.

Post: #150

(06-02-2017 07:28 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 07:21 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  Nobody dies in the US from not having insurance

What?

Now you're just talking straight out of your ass.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/20...-coverage/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-f...insurance/

If you read carefully, I said nobody is turned away if their life is threatened just for not having insurance. No one cares about a "Harvard study". Should the government provide you with insurance? Why should I have to pay for your health insurance with my tax dollars? You know very well (at least I hope you do) that all hospitals are required by law to treat patients in need of emergency care regardless of their ability to pay. So sorry, the "Harvard" left-wing undesirables can shove it.