Post: #51

Before touring the circles of dating hell, let's take a stab at the original question, which is, what percent of young single girls are "dating" online. The answer is a lot, if online dating means that they have the apps. The best minds are working to hook young girls on social media. And they're succeeding. Social media (i.e. Instagram, Snapchat) use among high-school girls must approach something close to 100%. Those social media apps allow them the pure buzz of ego. That's the drug on offer. And once that high fades, there's a more potent product available in dating apps (if they're 18, of course). Social media is the gateway drug to online dating.

But the same answer decreases significantly if online "dating" means that they're using the same apps to find dates. Even fewer are using them to find a man. Most are there to soak up attention, with the unstated belief that if some guy out of her league shows up, she will make herself available. So that's what online dating comes down to. Make yourself (or at least the online version of yourself on the app) so much better than her other options that she'll clear her schedule to go out with you. And even then, it's a maybe.

Now let's take a tour of the ninth circle of online dating hell, the experience of an average, charmless man. In place of Vergil, our guide will be this writer, Andrew Kay.



He wrote about his experience with online dating, Pilgrim at Tinder Creek.

As you can see, our writer's not unattractive physically. He's tall, well-educated, and in the past, would have been able to find a girl around his age and attractiveness. But now he'll have to settle for much worse. As you will see, his game is clumsy.

Here's how he describes an interaction on OK Cupid.

Quote:“Make me some cannoli,” a young woman demanded without salutation. Was it a double entendre? Was I naïve to wonder? I clicked on her profile: 29, newly minted M.D., had just moved to my city to do her residency; was family-centered, More Suave, dazzling in both scrubs and sequins. A doctor, and a fetching one at that! I felt my poverty and concupiscence in equal measure. That opening line, though—I couldn’t decide whether I was indignant or stimulated. I decided to write back: “Hi! That’s not normally something I do for strangers, but then, most strangers aren’t as cute as you. ? How are you liking this place and your residency so far?” She never wrote back.

Unsurprisingly, with such clunky messages, he didn't get any dates on OKC. So he eventually signs up for Tinder. And he gets a match. Here's his description of her.

Quote:It belonged to a woman who’d included only one photograph of herself, and a slightly blurry one at that. In it she appeared to be surrounded by people on either side, people she had her arms around—but she’d cropped them out so she alone was visible, looking off to the side and smiling. Her name was Lindsay and her profile was unusually detailed for Tinder: she was 33 and single and had a degree in classics; she was interested in Diogenes, Catullus and “fun and romance” in equal measure.

So he matches with an older chick who's probably a SIF. After some try-hard intellectual banter, she actually asks him out. They agree to a date, and then, in a broken clock is actually right twice a day sort of way, he postpones the date to take care of his newly adopted cat. I'm not making this up. They reschedule.

He rides his bike to bar. And he's having a good time. Until she drops this bombshell.

Quote:“Can I say something?” she said after a time. I looked up. “The last time I said it, the guy got up and walked out on the spot. Will you promise not to do that?” I reflected I didn’t have a choice and promised. “I’m not really 33,” she said. “I’m 42 and I have three kids and technically I’m still married.”

The only woman he's able to get out is actually a still-married mother of three kids who subtracted nearly a decade from her real age. The previous man had some standards and walked out. Our guide did not. As the date wound down, the matriarch pushes to visit his place.

Quote:It got late. “Had enough?” I said.

She paused. “I kind of want to meet your kitten.”

I felt my face inflame. “Yeah, of course,” I said. “No problem.”

He bikes home, and she drives in her minivan (he should have put the bike in the van). While there, she pushes for sex, much to his surprise, although he nearly fumbled that too.

Quote:“This has been such a nice evening,” I said. “It’d be a shame if we didn’t at least have a kiss goodnight.” She looked at me with an almost ceremonial solemnity, then nodded. We kissed for the next few minutes, sedately at first and then with amplified intensity, then began to get undressed. Undoing my belt, she leaned forward and said into my ear, “I want to know all about what you’re going to do to me. Where are you going to put this?”

Caught off guard, I weighed the question in as literal and academic a fashion as one could, then said—I kid you not, reader, I actually said this, and without a trace of irony—“Your vagina?” She drew away, looking at me, first quizzically and then with slight exasperation. After a moment she recomposed herself, this time addressing me with the unflinching resolve of someone aiming a .44 Magnum: “Come on. This is your audition.”

And here we've reached the ninth circle of hell, an audition for a forty-something with three kids. That's how far low he has to stoop, and even then she has to overlook some major missteps. And the whole time, he's chasing her, despite the considerable baggage.

He's willing to go out with her again. She's not, a woman who's 42 and who has three kids. A woman who in a normal society should not have options. But she does and brutally flakes.

Quote:The next weekend, though, she stood me up. I tooled around on my bike all night waiting to hear from her, miserable, and just after midnight she finally texted: “You’re terrific, but I need to act my age and date people as old as I am.”

He gets other dates and some bangs scattered in too. But he's not able to find anything other than brief encounters. So this is how the West ends, with normal men unable to find a girl who'll go out with them for more than a date or two, and even that only when the stars and moon align.

He'll return to swiping and maybe get something used up and 30+ (but I'm repeating myself). So for men like our writer here, they cannot lock down a girl young enough to bear 3 healthy children. And the number of men who fit into this category of purgatory is only growing as girls demand a higher and higher standard to win their attention. Good luck Western Civilization

Post: #52

To the original question - What percentage of women have online dating profiles?

Assuming we are talking about Western women, primarily American, with easy access to mobile phones and data, it varies with age groups. For the 18-25 year olds, I would guess it's probably around 85%. As they get older and married or otherwise committed it may (albeit temporarily) dwindle down a bit. One thing for certain, wherever and whenever they want it, it's there.

That said, the question itself is a bit obsolete. I have to give the now banned OP a bit of slack though, since the post is from 2011. Since then smartphones are ubiquitous and there must be over a dozen dating apps, the effectiveness of each ebbs and flows with time.

Social circle game is, from everything I've experienced and read, now much more lucrative than the one sided marketplace of online dating. Given this, it isn't so much about apps and online dating sites per se, but what tools they have which provide choices that they want, wherever they are.

I'd say Facebook, Instagram and others (hell, even LinkedIn) have taken the place of outright dating apps which as mentioned have just turned into sport-ridicule for entitled 5s who don't get enough attention in real life.

Think about it - if your profile is wired tight, you have a broad social circle, lots of social proof to go with it and seem desirable enough, one day you'll get a comment or two on a post you made from a girl you didn't even know was looking. It turns to private messaging, then a meetup, then bam - an online dating bang without even realizing you're doing online dating. Hell, you just got laid thru an online connection and didn't even have to open a purpose built account or pay any membership fees!

If you're already in a relationship, there's no app to delete, no tracks to cover, just your burgeoning friends list with so many hotties already in it that your SO doesn't notice. Or maybe she does notice all the new hotties in your friends list, but their presence provides that element of dread game she's come to expect from you so she tries even harder to keep you.

Social media ecosystems create environments where the girl feels much more comfortable being proactive. She feels better about choosing someone with a social connection versus a total unknown, regardless of how many boxes that unknown might check. On a related note, this was the fundamental problem with a web site like Ashley Madison. When a woman is ready to cheat, she will cheat, but she will do it in such a way that she can tell herself "it just happened." Creating a purpose-built account on a web site marketed specifically to cheaters goes against this instinct. Hence, there were always many more men on that site than women. But does anyone really think there were very few women actually cheating?

The major negative to using social media is that unlike a dating app or online profile, EVERY Western (and increasingly, non-Western) girl has it. Hence, more than ever you essentially have to take it for granted that, absent a live-in or married situation, the girl you're banging is probably banging someone else. If she's not, she easily could be with very little effort so long as she has a modicum of SMV left in her arsenal. It bears mentioning that in this environment, a well drafted prenup is absolutely essential for any marriage consideration, period. Unless you live in Saudi Arabia, your woman is not different. Even then, who knows - better safe than sorry.

I don't necessarily welcome the developments detailed above; it's kinda depressing in the big picture, actually, but neither did I create it. All we can do is be prepared, plan and react accordingly.

Post: #53

delete - double post

Post: #54

I deleted my Tinder last night. Was seriously producing zero results for me even in San Francisco. I've heard other guys who've gotten results with it in the past say it's gotten worse too, and the spam element seems less and less regulated, so my hunch is the app is on the way out. It can't last if it only serves the interests of the outliers.

I'm certainly no expert there though.

Keeping my Instagram though. Still seems like a valuable tool with my social networks and women I first meet in person.

Another sidenote. Been meeting an increasing number of younger people lately, including very hot women, who don't use social media at all or as little as possible. Even so much as preferring to trade phone numbers. I predict our love affair with social media will eventually find an equilibrium.

It doesn't change the options these women surely know they command but it's interesting to note.

I'm going to up my ante on real world approaches and actually befriending more gorgeous women (as opposed to just trying to fuck them) - in order to increase my perceived status, expand my options, and familiarize myself with the way American birds think again.

A personal side effect of social media and online dating is I've found myself judging women a lot more harshly. One thing I've noted about guys who still hang with beautiful women even as they age is you've really got to drop the chip off the shoulder regarding the nature of the beast. Doesn't mean you have to take their shit once they're under your influence but getting more negative doesn't get you laid or make you happy.

These new technologies often can make women worse, but they make us worse too by providing the motivation, yes, but even the means to endlessly wallow in our deepest insecurities.

And that has never been the way to become an attractive man.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #55

(05-16-2017 01:15 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I deleted my Tinder last night. Was seriously producing zero results for me even in San Francisco.

Man Francisco? No wonder. you should see this. Dudes are pretending to be gay to get hookups. No joke.

Post: #56

^ I'm just visiting here a few days. The town my house is in is a laughable fraction of the size. Having no problems meeting women out on the town here in SF though. Just the online aspect that seems a total dead end at least for me.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #57

Quote:Another sidenote. Been meeting an increasing number of younger people lately, including very hot women, who don't use social media at all or as little as possible. Even so much as preferring to trade phone numbers. I predict our love affair with social media will eventually find an equilibrium.

Funnily enough, I have actually noticed this too. Especially in the generation coming up. The vaunted Gen Z. My current FBW is near about that age (18, art student) and only uses Instagram to post pictures of paintings she's done. So yeah, I generally haven't lost all hope, but as Scorpion says, it would be a good thing to generally spread awareness regarding how damaging these apps are. I think you got the wrong end of the stick when you said I want all dudes on here to go full mgtow, I'm not even averred to men getting bangs online unless they go full retard and start wiring entitled chicks money or constructing wall of text openers. The best I can do is ride this wave out and hope there's some feedback loop to this all, because if there isn't, we can forget about preserving western culture.

Post: #58

Okay, my bad if I read too much into your "simp" comment and unfairly slapped some assumptions on you. It came across really negative to me but perhaps I gave it a little too much weight.

I agree with you this stuff is damaging. At the same time I think things have a way of sorting themselves out, and history is full of examples where people got worked up over evolving technologies spelling the end of civilization as we know it - as time plays out, however, rarely do the changes manifest in quite the way we imagine though.

I think this time we're living in will be discussed a lot in the future, but it's a transition point and our society is still adjusting it's pants. This is of course just my opinion. But either way my personal stance on how to deal with it is about the same.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #59

The odds have always been stacked against men in online dating. Even if you're in a place where you're in the top bracket and your phone is blowing up with matches, you're still not doing as well as you could be.

From my observations the majority of online dating is a woman's market, so the choice is almost entirely hers (notable exceptions include Bumble and SA, but no experience there so no comment). This is obvious of course... But it essentially means that at best, you're getting a woman that's equal to you in SMV. Again, at best--most of the time you'll be at a loss.

This changes in the real world. Sure it's much harder, and it's impossible to replicate the same volume of results. But results are significantly better out there, because your choice is given more weight. Going out of your way to approach a woman face to face will always be a social event to her that exceeds any form of attention you'd give her otherwise online.

Each time the average cute girl goes on Tinder, she responds to 6 messages and gives a few swipes. Notifications all throughout the day.

When she goes out on a Saturday night, she notices the attention, but fewer than 5 guys approach her.

By coincidence on a Monday, she gets approached at the mall while she's shopping. It's been weeks/months since she was last approached like this.

Point I'm making is, your competition tapers off. Approach at night, make a good impression, take her number, and if she liked you you'll be on her mind. Day game and you'll make a good impression as it is. When you text her, if she did like you and you built some rapport you'll instantly be a priority for her, regardless of how full her inbox is or if Chad Thundercock is hitting her up.

It's impossible to downplay the negative that is women having endless options with the rise of online dating. It makes it so that you have to work much harder to make an impression, you have to work harder to be a catch, and any slip up of yours in the initial stages makes her reply to another instead.

But is there a silver lining? It's probably easier to catch her attention at a bar because few guys are doing it nowadays. Even fewer are asking about pet shops.

In any case, a good impression made face to face will always be number one. It's the way I see it.

Post: #60

I think the biggest silver lining is that online dating may be directly responsible for red pilling a lot of men.

Post: #61

(05-16-2017 12:33 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Before touring the circles of dating hell, let's take a stab at the original question, which is, what percent of young single girls are "dating" online. The answer is a lot, if online dating means that they have the apps. The best minds are working to hook young girls on social media. And they're succeeding. Social media (i.e. Instagram, Snapchat) use among high-school girls must approach something close to 100%. Those social media apps allow them the pure buzz of ego. That's the drug on offer. And once that high fades, there's a more potent product available in dating apps (if they're 18, of course). Social media is the gateway drug to online dating.

But the same answer decreases significantly if online "dating" means that they're using the same apps to find dates. Even fewer are using them to find a man. Most are there to soak up attention, with the unstated belief that if some guy out of her league shows up, she will make herself available. So that's what online dating comes down to. Make yourself (or at least the online version of yourself on the app) so much better than her other options that she'll clear her schedule to go out with you. And even then, it's a maybe.

Now let's take a tour of the ninth circle of online dating hell, the experience of an average, charmless man. In place of Vergil, our guide will be this writer, Andrew Kay.



He wrote about his experience with online dating, Pilgrim at Tinder Creek.

As you can see, our writer's not unattractive physically. He's tall, well-educated, and in the past, would have been able to find a girl around his age and attractiveness. But now he'll have to settle for much worse. As you will see, his game is clumsy.

Here's how he describes an interaction on OK Cupid.

Quote:“Make me some cannoli,” a young woman demanded without salutation. Was it a double entendre? Was I naïve to wonder? I clicked on her profile: 29, newly minted M.D., had just moved to my city to do her residency; was family-centered, More Suave, dazzling in both scrubs and sequins. A doctor, and a fetching one at that! I felt my poverty and concupiscence in equal measure. That opening line, though—I couldn’t decide whether I was indignant or stimulated. I decided to write back: “Hi! That’s not normally something I do for strangers, but then, most strangers aren’t as cute as you. ? How are you liking this place and your residency so far?” She never wrote back.

Unsurprisingly, with such clunky messages, he didn't get any dates on OKC. So he eventually signs up for Tinder. And he gets a match. Here's his description of her.

Quote:It belonged to a woman who’d included only one photograph of herself, and a slightly blurry one at that. In it she appeared to be surrounded by people on either side, people she had her arms around—but she’d cropped them out so she alone was visible, looking off to the side and smiling. Her name was Lindsay and her profile was unusually detailed for Tinder: she was 33 and single and had a degree in classics; she was interested in Diogenes, Catullus and “fun and romance” in equal measure.

So he matches with an older chick who's probably a SIF. After some try-hard intellectual banter, she actually asks him out. They agree to a date, and then, in a broken clock is actually right twice a day sort of way, he postpones the date to take care of his newly adopted cat. I'm not making this up. They reschedule.

He rides his bike to bar. And he's having a good time. Until she drops this bombshell.

Quote:“Can I say something?” she said after a time. I looked up. “The last time I said it, the guy got up and walked out on the spot. Will you promise not to do that?” I reflected I didn’t have a choice and promised. “I’m not really 33,” she said. “I’m 42 and I have three kids and technically I’m still married.”

The only woman he's able to get out is actually a still-married mother of three kids who subtracted nearly a decade from her real age. The previous man had some standards and walked out. Our guide did not. As the date wound down, the matriarch pushes to visit his place.

Quote:It got late. “Had enough?” I said.

She paused. “I kind of want to meet your kitten.”

I felt my face inflame. “Yeah, of course,” I said. “No problem.”

He bikes home, and she drives in her minivan (he should have put the bike in the van). While there, she pushes for sex, much to his surprise, although he nearly fumbled that too.

Quote:“This has been such a nice evening,” I said. “It’d be a shame if we didn’t at least have a kiss goodnight.” She looked at me with an almost ceremonial solemnity, then nodded. We kissed for the next few minutes, sedately at first and then with amplified intensity, then began to get undressed. Undoing my belt, she leaned forward and said into my ear, “I want to know all about what you’re going to do to me. Where are you going to put this?”

Caught off guard, I weighed the question in as literal and academic a fashion as one could, then said—I kid you not, reader, I actually said this, and without a trace of irony—“Your vagina?” She drew away, looking at me, first quizzically and then with slight exasperation. After a moment she recomposed herself, this time addressing me with the unflinching resolve of someone aiming a .44 Magnum: “Come on. This is your audition.”

And here we've reached the ninth circle of hell, an audition for a forty-something with three kids. That's how far low he has to stoop, and even then she has to overlook some major missteps. And the whole time, he's chasing her, despite the considerable baggage.

He's willing to go out with her again. She's not, a woman who's 42 and who has three kids. A woman who in a normal society should not have options. But she does and brutally flakes.

Quote:The next weekend, though, she stood me up. I tooled around on my bike all night waiting to hear from her, miserable, and just after midnight she finally texted: “You’re terrific, but I need to act my age and date people as old as I am.”

He gets other dates and some bangs scattered in too. But he's not able to find anything other than brief encounters. So this is how the West ends, with normal men unable to find a girl who'll go out with them for more than a date or two, and even that only when the stars and moon align.

He'll return to swiping and maybe get something used up and 30+ (but I'm repeating myself). So for men like our writer here, they cannot lock down a girl young enough to bear 3 healthy children. And the number of men who fit into this category of purgatory is only growing as girls demand a higher and higher standard to win their attention. Good luck Western Civilization

This post deserves its own thread.

Post: #62

(05-16-2017 05:29 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  But is there a silver lining? It's probably easier to catch her attention at a bar because few guys are doing it nowadays. Even fewer are asking about pet shops.

This is a great point. As more and more men use these apps, the less they will be out honing their skills on day/night gaming. So when a girl does get approached it will leave an impression.

Yet another example on why approaching in real life is better than online messaging.

Post: #63

He needs to grow a beard & cold approach; will double his quality and quantity of results.

Post: #64

At that age he needs to first learn very basic things, let's start with biology and reality. Then I have one word, sorry bro ... travel.

By the way, where are these supposedly "young" people that don't use social media, and at what age?

Post: #65

Great discussion, but you guys are missing the big one - BIG CITIES and anonymity they give.
I lived in different sized cities and my observations are that bigger the city= more slutty females. Big cities makes people more liberal, gives anonymity and destroys your belonging to a community all of which enables cock carousel behavior.

Last week while visiting parents (city with less than 10k inhabitants) I wanted to check local talent and fired the dating apps and to my surprise there was almost zero females.

Post: #66

(05-21-2017 02:53 AM)kiwi12 Wrote:  Great discussion, but you guys are missing the big one - BIG CITIES and anonymity they give.
I lived in different sized cities and my observations are that bigger the city= more slutty females. Big cities makes people more liberal, gives anonymity and destroys your belonging to a community all of which enables cock carousel behavior.

Last week while visiting parents (city with less than 10k inhabitants) I wanted to check local talent and fired the dating apps and to my surprise there was almost zero females.

Agreed. During ancient times the cities were seen as a source of vice and still are today.

Post: #67

(05-16-2017 12:33 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  And here we've reached the ninth circle of hell, an audition for a forty-something with three kids. That's how far low he has to stoop, and even then she has to overlook some major missteps. And the whole time, he's chasing her, despite the considerable baggage.

Can you really blame her though. She's used to getting attention from thirsty chumps.

I believe North America is the only place where MILFS and other women past their prime are sexualized in the media and especially in porn.

As a result, the majority of guys have very low standards. I really hope your politicians will man up and legalize prostitution to save these idiots from wasting their time and money on bastard women.

Post: #68

(05-21-2017 02:53 AM)kiwi12 Wrote:  Great discussion, but you guys are missing the big one - BIG CITIES and anonymity they give.
I lived in different sized cities and my observations are that bigger the city= more slutty females. Big cities makes people more liberal, gives anonymity and destroys your belonging to a community all of which enables cock carousel behavior.

Last week while visiting parents (city with less than 10k inhabitants) I wanted to check local talent and fired the dating apps and to my surprise there was almost zero females.

I don't know that anybody missed that - after all, they made a TV show called Sex and The City, not Sex and The Suburbs. For the latter to work, they had to create "Real Housewives of xyz..." and stock it with tired up former carousel riders wifed up by betas.

Post: #69

Two interpretations of "real life makes a greater impact because most of it [the approach] is done online nowadays":

1. "Wow! A guy actually approached me in real life! This hardly ever happens anymore for some reason, gonna see how this goes!"

2. "[Swipe swipe swipe]. Damn, that guy from Tinder really gave me a good dicking last night, plus he was sooo good looking but meh, don't know if I'll see him again cuz he keeps blowing up my phone. Er, excuse me, what, er, no, please go away, I'm just out with the girls tonight [plus even if I did like this random totally average guy at the bar my snatch is way too sore]"

or the day version...

3. "Wow! Even though you are inferior than 90% of my Chad Thundercock Tinder matches, I'm totally going to choose you over them because you had the balls to approach me in real life, like, you know, like, I really think, like, daygame should be, like, rewarded and stuff, so, like, less attractive guys, like, actually have, like, a chance, you know? It's so rare to meet a confident, short, average man in a leather jacket like you just, like, randomly on the street, here's my number!"

4. "Erm, thanks, but, er, I have a boyfriend [I have 357 hot Tinder matches and go on at least one date a week with way hotter guys than you, and who the hell approaches girls, like, in person, and like, in the middle of the day anyway, it's like. so ... weird"

For me, I may have exaggerated the 3s and 4s somewhat, but if we up it to 5s and 6s (who are realistically the pinnacle of online dating in most places), if you're a guy who has been used to pulling 5s and 6s who are grateful to have been chosen by you, and you are used to pulling 7s and 8s with some effort, it's very disheartening and demotivating to have the same 5s and 6s who once followed you around school or bars or eagerly met up for dates, now interviewing you as if you are applying for a senior position at Goldman Sachs. When you're used to 7s with reasonable effort, going down to 5s and 6s with Herculean effort and plenty of humiliation and rejection along the way, far more than in real life, is like going from a lawyer in the USA on 200k a year to a room cleaner on the Philippines on $1 an hour. This is why men who go to SA/SEA come back to the USA and feel that post touchdown depression, because they cannot unsee what they have just seen.

Online dating gives women many superior options, in a way that, perhaps, travel to certain destinations does for western men. There are tons of barriers to travel, especially long-term travel to foreign destinations, that keep men at home despite poor local dating markets.

Post: #70

Let's be real, when you see and hold ages 19-23, when they are supposed to be held, how can you ever even listen to women near 30 or above, for more than a sentence?

Youth and fertility trump all. Built in is the lack of cynicism and the desire to be led by a wiser, superior man. On these hang all the rules and analysis.

Post: #71

(05-25-2017 12:23 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Let's be real, when you see and hold ages 19-23, when they are supposed to be held, how can you ever even listen to women near 30 or above, for more than a sentence?

Youth and fertility trump all. Built in is the lack of cynicism and the desire to be led by a wiser, superior man. On these hang all the rules and analysis.

Spot on. If you even set tinder to as low as 25-26 and older you notice the colossal difference.

Post: #72

I'd say it's reaching +50 percent levels in the west. However in Asia I'd say most countries under 20 percent if not 10.

The future frontier hunting will be hitting 3rd world countries when tinder gets popular.

Hong Kong & Singapore are probably at saturation levels with the west. Philippines (urban core) and Thailand are near peak zone. Taiwan, Japan, and Indonesia are more niche apps for foreign hunters. Japan especially for white guys.

Cambodia and Laos are too poor to have tinder saturation. I suspect the limit is poor mobile data and general poverty.

I suspect traditional family values will prevent a widespread Exodus to online.

I understand some guys are old school but in this digital age you gotta adapt. I would say without online I definitely would be pulling less girls although the stories of real life approaches are always the most memorable.

Today I didn't even bother going out. Why bother with stuck up 6s and waste money on nightlife when I can get the same quality online if not better.

Post: #73

(05-26-2017 02:49 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  Today I didn't even bother going out. Why bother with stuck up 6s and waste money on nightlife when I can get the same quality online if not better.

I understand the principle but the quality of girls online is absolutely terrible, even in cities where it's good and nightlife isn't all that. There may be exceptions in non-western countries where online hasn't reached the point where it's just full of mentally ill, delusional warpigs or the occasional decent looking girl who is on it for attention and twisted sport rejection.

Post: #74

How do I know USA is fucked up?

Nowhere on earth... I've seen so many decent/young single men that have never been married or have kids getting in a relationship with older women/single mom types with kids from previous relationship. Men have become so desperate to the point that they are eating out of dumpster now. This pretty much depicts the whole dating market for single men in Merica....

Post: #75

(05-28-2017 05:38 AM)bluejun Wrote:  How do I know USA is fucked up?

Nowhere on earth... I've seen so many decent/young single men that have never been married or have kids getting in a relationship with older women/single mom types with kids from previous relationship. Men have become so desperate to the point that they are eating out of dumpster now. This pretty much depicts the whole dating market for single men in Merica....

I was watching TV the other day and it was a show about gypsy girls or something, one of the girls already had a kid by one guy, who is out of the picture, so then she got a second BF, who helped raised the kid, but impregnated the girl again, but then got dumped by the girl, then the girl got another BF, so she was giving birth while having the father of her second child in the delivery room and her current BF watching and supporting his GF as she gave birth to some other guy's kid. I was like WTF is this, that's like a triple cuckold or cuckold^3 or something like that. It made me sad that the dating market is so bad, really cringeworthy as well. In the end the current BF couldn't take it and left the hospital. A few days later he came running back to his GF, who now has 2 different kids by two other different guys, apologizing with a giant pink teddy bear for the baby girl that is not even his child. This guy was good looking, looked like a bad boy type, in any reasonable market he should be doing much better.

Some of these women have like 8 kids by 5 different fathers and there is still a queue a mile long of decent men who want to date them. Made obviously 100x worse with online dating.

In order to measure the state of a marketplace for something, you can simply observe the prices being paid in exchange for whatever you are trying to measure. The fact that you see men consistently dumpster diving, white knighting to extreme extents just for a sniff of vagina, you are seeing men willing the pay insanely inflated prices for used up, disgusting vagina. Similar to how you go to other countries and see how different it is by observing what kind of men are paired with what kind of women.