Post: #26

Here's some food for thought from StraightLineLogic. It details the wider implications about the FBI being aware of precisely what Richards had done in regards to exposing the DNC while simultaneously aiding and abetting the spread of false narratives about 'muh Russians'.

Quote:Let’s Connect the Dots, by Robert Gore
Posted on May 17, 2017 | 31 Comments

If Seth Rich was the source of the WikiLeaks’ DNC email disclosures and the FBI knew it, then the Russian hacking story was a fabrication, and James Comey was probably involved in an attempt to drive President Trump from office.

The biggest story of the entire Russiagate controversy was published Tuesday. Not the story about President Trump’s alleged statement to former FBI Director James Comey: “I hope you can let this go.” A witness is only as good as his or her credibility. If the actual big story pans out, Comey has none, which is why the mainstream media is obsessing over Trump’s alleged statement and doing everything it can to ignore and stifle the other story.

Seth Rich was on the staff of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). He was gunned down on July 10, 2016. Robbery has been speculated as a motive for the murder, but his wallet and watch were not taken. There is also speculation that Rich was the source of the DNC emails that were released by WikiLeaks twelve days later, to the consternation and embarrassment of the DNC. Fueling that speculation was WikiLeaks’ offer of a $20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of Rich’s murderer. WikiLeaks has neither confirmed nor denied that Rich was its source.

The emails appeared to show a concerted DNC effort to stop Senator Bernie Sanders’ primary campaign for the Democratic nomination and led to the resignation of party chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz. After WikiLeaks’ DNC disclosure, the DNC refused to let the FBI investigate its computer servers. Instead, it allowed a cybersecurity firm, CrowdStrike, to investigate. It’s conclusion, subsequently undercut, was that the Russians had hacked the DNC’s server.

Fox News reported that an unnamed source, almost certainly from the FBI, has seen and read emails between Seth Rich and the late Gavin MacFadyen, a director of WikiLeaks. A FBI forensic report on Seth Rich’s computer was allegedly compiled within 96 hours of his murder. The source said there were 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments between DNC leaders transferred from Rich to MacFadyen from January 2015 through May 2016.

If this is correct, then within 96 hours of Rich’s murder, or by July 14, 2016, the FBI knew that Rich had communicated with WikiLeaks and it knew what he had communicated. That means that when WikiLeaks subsequently released the DNC emails on July 22, the FBI knew that Rich, not the Russian government, was the source. That would make the entire “Russia hacked the DNC” story nothing more than a concocted fabrication. Comey, the director of the FBI, surely knew the truth, and indeed was probably the mastermind behind the fabrication. If so, the subsequent investigation has been nothing but a sham, designed to discredit Trump and drive him from office. If that is indeed the case, Comey has zero credibility and his notes, supposedly made after a conversation with Trump, have zero credibility as well. Not only is Comey’s credibility destroyed, he, and potential coconspirators Barack Obama, James Clapper (Director of National Intelligence), John Brennan (Director of the Central Intelligence Agency until January 2017), could be charged with a myriad of criminal offenses, including treason. And who knows where a rejuvenated Seth Rich murder investigation might lead.

Which is why official Washington and its media are doing everything they can to squelch this line of inquiry. Curiously, even Fox News seemed ambivalent about its bombshell. Its story was titled “Family of slain DNC staffer Seth Rich blasts detective over report of WikiLeaks link,” and it led with a denunciation by the family of a private investigator it had itself hired, Rod Wheeler, for suggesting to Fox’s Sean Hannity the Rich-WikiLeaks connection. The general practice is to publish allegations and evidence, then the reactions from interested parties. The family released a statement through a spokesman, Brad Bauman.

Quote: “As we’ve seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press,” the statement said. “Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we’ve seen that those interest in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so.”

“We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth’s murderers. The services of the private investigator who spoke to the press was offered to the Rich family and paid for by a third party, and contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family.”

The Fox story didn’t even report, as WikiLeaks had reported in August 2016, that Brad Bauman was “a professional Democrat crisis PR consultant with the Pastorum Group.” Note that there is no point-blank denial by the family that Rich was WikiLeaks’ source.

There is a simple way to get to the bottom of all this: release Seth Rich’s computer to carefully vetted investigators. It is probably in the custody of the FBI, although it could be with the Washington Police Department, which is also investigating the murder. Rich’s computer will have the record of his email transmissions, unless someone tampered with the computer. If the record is intact, it will offer conclusive confirmation or refutation of the Fox story. If the record is not intact, or if the computer has been lost or is otherwise unavailable, or if its files have been corrupted, the conclusion is unavoidable: Seth Rich was the source for the WikiLeaks’ DNC email disclosure and the FBI knew it. The implications are horrendous.

Post: #27

Post: #28

If the president comments publicly about it at any time before a verdict, it could be argued that he prejudiced the case.

(05-18-2017 10:18 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Bah..all of this could be settled easily. All Trump needs to do is make a Tweet demanding an investigation into Seth's death and the media will go nuts enough to cover it.

It would work better than you all think. A surprising number of Dems have never even heard of him.

Post: #29

Here's the small version:



And the readable one:

http://i.imgur.com/RNyrPUW.jpg

Post: #30

(05-18-2017 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm actually surprised that trian hasn't claimed that there's no such thing as "Seth Rich" and demanded that we provide evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that he ever existed.

That was his tack over at Pizzagate.

Now he has to wrangle with the fact that a critical DNC staffer was killed by being shot in the back twice yet nothing was stolen from him. This limits his ability to call us all crazy conspiracy theorists because it's pretty obvious that this wasn't some random act of crime, but apparently a million people digging into the facts around the event is going to seriously impede an ongoing investigation, which we can presume is made up of one tired old detective who's been told that this was a robbery gone wrong and who's close enough to a pension to know when to let shit slide lest he become the victim of a "robbery gone wrong".

Actually, Because of your doxxing of innocent people, I am now starting to believe the official line. This was a robbery gone wrong.

Things to note:
DC has a series of sensors set up throughout the city that immediately triangulate gunshots. DC criminals know this. Thus why if they fire a gun, they will attempt to escape without stealing anything. Seconds matter. Police literally are alerted immediately and the nearest officer responds. The Rich murder occurred within a area where previous gun-related crimes had occurred within the current week. Thus, police were set up literally around the corner. This is how a robbery goes wrong.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/218089421-story

You pushed a false narrative too far. I was a believer who no longer believes you. This was just a guy who got killed because he lived in a crappy neighborhood he was convinced was "transitioning." It was stil crime-riddled.

This is what espousing parts of a theory that are easily disproved does. You lose your audience. You wil never convince me otherwise now. Congratulations. You win?!?!

Post: #31

(05-18-2017 07:41 PM)911 Wrote:  (In before trian1 says he the surgeon there is a good buddy of his
who's told him that all of this is cray-cray conspiracy talk.)

I know this guy, and know hospital procedure. He is wrong...

Just kidding I don't know anything about medical procedures.

Only thing I CAN comment on is that Rich was killed in a place really close to Howard University Hospital, but also almost as close to this hospital.

This hospital is the defacto place for DC gunshot victims, if their wounds are not considered life-threatening -- then it is the closest (Why Reagan was rushed to GWU hospital).

This post actually gives credence to the fact that his wounds were not considered life threatening -- but only slightly. The two hospitals would literally have only been blocks difference between where he was shot.

Post: #32

Sadly, I think this forum is going to discover at some point that doxing private citizens and espousing libelous narratives without factual support ARE actionable issues in the US judicial system (See the deeper-pocketed Alex Jones).

This is why I argued against the Reddit fat shamming thread (Everyone started claiming I was fat then, and while I have about 10 lbs around my abs I would love to get rid of, there are enough members on the forum who can attest I am not a amorphous blob). There is a huge difference between attacking public figures and attacking individual private ones.

A lot of people are going down a dark path that can lead to financial ruin for themselvesand others. As I have said on Twitter regarding Anti-Fa: Larping has consequences.

Post: #33

(05-18-2017 11:51 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm actually surprised that trian hasn't claimed that there's no such thing as "Seth Rich" and demanded that we provide evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that he ever existed.

That was his tack over at Pizzagate.

Now he has to wrangle with the fact that a critical DNC staffer was killed by being shot in the back twice yet nothing was stolen from him. This limits his ability to call us all crazy conspiracy theorists because it's pretty obvious that this wasn't some random act of crime, but apparently a million people digging into the facts around the event is going to seriously impede an ongoing investigation, which we can presume is made up of one tired old detective who's been told that this was a robbery gone wrong and who's close enough to a pension to know when to let shit slide lest he become the victim of a "robbery gone wrong".

Actually, Because of your doxxing of innocent people, I am now starting to believe the official line. This was a robbery gone wrong.

Things to note:
DC has a series of sensors set up throughout the city that immediately triangulate gunshots. DC criminals know this. Thus why if they fire a gun, they will attempt to escape without stealing anything. Seconds matter. Police literally are alerted immediately and the nearest officer responds. The Rich murder occurred within a area where previous gun-related crimes had occurred within the current week. Thus, police were set up literally around the corner. This is how a robbery goes wrong.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/218089421-story

You pushed a false narrative too far. I was a believer who no longer believes you. This was just a guy who got killed because he lived in a crappy neighborhood he was convinced was "transitioning." It was stil crime-riddled.

This is what espousing parts of a theory that are easily disproved does. You lose your audience. You wil never convince me otherwise now. Congratulations. You win?!?!

If this were a real robbery, why wouldn't Rich have handed them his belongings in the first place? What 27yo white urban Democrat actually resists an armed robbery?!?

And why would those robbers shoot him in the back?

The gunfire triangulation system would not result in cops getting to the scene instantly, it would still have taken them at least few minutes to show up on the scene. Grabbing someone's wallet takes just a few seconds. Thugs who are bold enough to shoot someone twice would not have hesitated for a quick reach for his wallet.

Rich was on the phone with his GF when he got accosted. If those who accosted him were real robbers, wouldn't he have mentioned this to his GF? Professional assassins on the other hand know how to accost and engage with their target without him panicking.

Post: #34

(05-19-2017 12:07 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Sadly, I think this forum is going to discover at some point that doxing private citizens and espousing libelous narratives without factual support ARE actionable issues in the US judicial system (See the deeper-pocketed Alex Jones).

This is why I argued against the Reddit fat shamming thread (Everyone started claiming I was fat then, and while I have about 10 lbs around my abs I would love to get rid of, there are enough members on the forum who can attest I am not a amorphous blob). There is a huge difference between attacking public figures and attacking individual private ones.

A lot of people are going down a dark path that can lead to financial ruin for themselvesand others. As I have said on Twitter regarding Anti-Fa: Larping has consequences.

We get it dude. We'll be careful and not question shit from now on. Because that's what this forum is all about.

Fuckwad.

Post: #35

(05-19-2017 12:07 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Sadly, I think this forum is going to discover at some point that doxing private citizens and espousing libelous narratives without factual support ARE actionable issues in the US judicial system (See the deeper-pocketed Alex Jones).

I think you're going to discover that you're talking out of your ass.
Provide evidence that any statement on this forum (Is this forum even HOSTED in the US, for that matter?) violates US libel laws
or shut up.

Post: #36

Trian is having to resort to intimidation now.

That's a new one.

Post: #37

(05-19-2017 12:59 AM)911 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:51 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm actually surprised that trian hasn't claimed that there's no such thing as "Seth Rich" and demanded that we provide evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that he ever existed.

That was his tack over at Pizzagate.

Now he has to wrangle with the fact that a critical DNC staffer was killed by being shot in the back twice yet nothing was stolen from him. This limits his ability to call us all crazy conspiracy theorists because it's pretty obvious that this wasn't some random act of crime, but apparently a million people digging into the facts around the event is going to seriously impede an ongoing investigation, which we can presume is made up of one tired old detective who's been told that this was a robbery gone wrong and who's close enough to a pension to know when to let shit slide lest he become the victim of a "robbery gone wrong".

Actually, Because of your doxxing of innocent people, I am now starting to believe the official line. This was a robbery gone wrong.

Things to note:
DC has a series of sensors set up throughout the city that immediately triangulate gunshots. DC criminals know this. Thus why if they fire a gun, they will attempt to escape without stealing anything. Seconds matter. Police literally are alerted immediately and the nearest officer responds. The Rich murder occurred within a area where previous gun-related crimes had occurred within the current week. Thus, police were set up literally around the corner. This is how a robbery goes wrong.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/218089421-story

You pushed a false narrative too far. I was a believer who no longer believes you. This was just a guy who got killed because he lived in a crappy neighborhood he was convinced was "transitioning." It was stil crime-riddled.

This is what espousing parts of a theory that are easily disproved does. You lose your audience. You wil never convince me otherwise now. Congratulations. You win?!?!

If this were a real robbery, why wouldn't Rich have handed them his belongings in the first place? What 27yo white urban Democrat actually resists an armed robbery?!?

Drunk people

Post: #38

(05-19-2017 02:09 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 12:07 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Sadly, I think this forum is going to discover at some point that doxing private citizens and espousing libelous narratives without factual support ARE actionable issues in the US judicial system (See the deeper-pocketed Alex Jones).

I think you're going to discover that you're talking out of your ass.
Provide evidence that any statement on this forum (Is this forum even HOSTED in the US, for that matter?) violates US libel laws
or shut up.

Defamation lawsuits have a lower standard of proof than libel.

And here you go. Sorry, I am not talking out of my ass.

Defamation Law Made Simplel

If you believe you are have been "defamed," to prove it you usually have to show there's been a statement that is all of the following:

• published
• false
• injurious
• unprivileged
  

Private people who are defamed have more protection than public figures -- freedom of speech isn't as important when the statements don't involve an issue of public interest. A private person who is defamed can prevail without having to prove that the defamer acted with actual malice.

Alex Jones retracts false stories about Chobani in defamation settlement

As Jones is aware. It is a very real thing.

Post: #39

(05-19-2017 01:43 AM)RawGod Wrote:  We get it dude. We'll be careful and not question shit from now on. Because that's what this forum is all about.

Fuckwad.

Questioning and defaming specific individuals are different things. Alex Jones was all about "questioning." He had to settle defamation lawsuits for it.

Also, in regard to the rest of your comment: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

Post: #40

(05-19-2017 05:05 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Questioning and defaming specific individuals are different things. Alex Jones was all about "questioning." He had to settle defamation lawsuits for it.

A bunch of anonymous commentators speculating on a person's potential involvement in a crime is a far cry from an extremely influential public figure making accusations. That's why we don't see 4channers locked up on a daily basis.

The likelihood of a defamation case in this scenario is miniscule so this is is not a realistic consequence you are trying to save us from Mr. Good Samaritan. But it could make for a decent threat, if it weren't so transparent.

It's curious why you so easily discount the Clintons' long body count as well as Seth's known role in leaking DNC documents.

I mean it's not like they have a *motive* to commit murder and "make an example of a leaker".

Nah - instead the robbery with no proof of robbery is the more likely situation here. You just immediately know by the telltale two shots to the back.

Post: #41

^Hilariously good point.

Trian made an effort to explain how this supposed robber was already extremely paranoid because there were cops in the area and DC has special gunshot microphones located all over the place.

The premise being thereafter that, what, Rich ran away from the mugger and the mugger shot him twice in the back, knowing it would both attract the cops and bring heat down on him despite there being no payoff whatsoever?

Genius.

Personally I'm just waiting for Slick Willy to crash his limo into a national monument while drunk, live on television, revealing a trunk full of white powder and several dead underage hookers before Trian arrives on the thread screaming "YOU'RE ALL A PACK OF IRRESPONSIBLE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS AND I DEMAND YOU SHUT UP THIS INSTANT OR YOU'LL ALL SURELY BE PROSECUTED!!1!11!"

Post: #42

(05-19-2017 07:25 AM)Valentine Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 05:05 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Questioning and defaming specific individuals are different things. Alex Jones was all about "questioning." He had to settle defamation lawsuits for it.

I mean it's not like they have a *motive* to commit murder and "make an example of a leaker".

Nah - instead the robbery with no proof of robbery is the more likely situation here. You just immediately know by the telltale two shots to the back.

This is essentially my point. The conversation veered off of investigating public figures, to implicating and doxxing private citizens who have not been named as a suspect by any law enforcement agency who has investigated this.

It violates the first rule of this forum "Do not share personal information on the forum"

People were posting a private citizen's name, pictures of him and his family as well as his place of work.

I have said my piece. It wasn't my intention to veer the conversation off. Those who still think it is acceptable to doxx and implicate people not tied to the investigation simply because it fits their pre-determined narrative will continue to do.

Post: #43

(05-19-2017 07:46 AM)trian1 Wrote:  It violates the first rule of this forum "Do not share personal information on the forum"

I interpreted this statement as:

1. Trian1 should not share information about trian1 (personal information) in this forum.
2. Trian1 should not share information about any poster in this forum.

Were any of these rules violated? Did anyone share information about anyone in this forum publicly?

So i must ask:

1. What is the doxxing?
2. What are "they" innocent of?

Post: #44

Breaking & Developing -

T_D or 4Chan (not sure) - figured out Seth Rich's Reddit, Twitter Account etc https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comm...pping_off/

His screen names has a thing for Pandas.

1. Proof that it's him - @panda4progress being tagged - https://twitter.com/sonjatrier/status/77...3308325888

2. His former boss at DNC taunting him over Twitter after his death? - DELETED but archived - http://archive.is/F7S3T / https://twitter.com/therriaultphd/status...2304508928

Post: #45

@trian 1: I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but even if you try to sound like the "voice of reason", you ended up sounding almost arrogant. And whn i see someone online trying to attack a political theme with an arrogant posture like your, i can not avoid thinking in the term "shill".

Post: #46

(05-18-2017 11:51 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm actually surprised that trian hasn't claimed that there's no such thing as "Seth Rich" and demanded that we provide evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that he ever existed.

That was his tack over at Pizzagate.

Now he has to wrangle with the fact that a critical DNC staffer was killed by being shot in the back twice yet nothing was stolen from him. This limits his ability to call us all crazy conspiracy theorists because it's pretty obvious that this wasn't some random act of crime, but apparently a million people digging into the facts around the event is going to seriously impede an ongoing investigation, which we can presume is made up of one tired old detective who's been told that this was a robbery gone wrong and who's close enough to a pension to know when to let shit slide lest he become the victim of a "robbery gone wrong".

Actually, Because of your doxxing of innocent people, I am now starting to believe the official line. This was a robbery gone wrong.

Please provide support for your accusation. Was the information about these "innocent people" already publicly available information? I didn't witness this, so I'm not sure whom you're referring to. If it is the medical staff that already had their bios/names on the hospital websites, that's hardly doxxing and you're way off if you think that it is.

Post: #47

(05-18-2017 11:51 PM)trian1 Wrote:  ...
Actually, Because of your doxxing of innocent people, I am now starting to believe the official line. This was a robbery gone wrong.

Things to note:
DC has a series of sensors set up throughout the city that immediately triangulate gunshots. DC criminals know this. Thus why if they fire a gun, they will attempt to escape without stealing anything. Seconds matter. Police literally are alerted immediately and the nearest officer responds. The Rich murder occurred within a area where previous gun-related crimes had occurred within the current week. Thus, police were set up literally around the corner. This is how a robbery goes wrong.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/218089421-story

You pushed a false narrative too far. I was a believer who no longer believes you. This was just a guy who got killed because he lived in a crappy neighborhood he was convinced was "transitioning." It was still crime-riddled.

This is what espousing parts of a theory that are easily disproved does. You lose your audience. You will never convince me otherwise now. Congratulations. You win?!?!

So...this means you completely trust the MSM and their truthful narratives.

(05-19-2017 07:46 AM)trian1 Wrote:  This is essentially my point. The conversation veered off of investigating public figures, to implicating and doxxing private citizens who have not been named as a suspect by any law enforcement agency who has investigated this.

Bullshit.

(05-19-2017 07:46 AM)trian1 Wrote:  It violates the first rule of this forum "Do not share personal information on the forum"

Bullshit again. The rules are meant to protect RVF members only, not for non-RVF members or "private citizens". Try reading the entire rule again. I copied the whole thing for the other members to read for themselves:

Quote:
1. Do not share personal information on the forum, even through private messages. Use a burner email and entirely new username to register an account. Pick an email address that does not reveal your identity if leaked out and a username that you have never used on other sites. Both should be Google-proof. Do not share photos or personal details of yourself. If you want to meet other members, share your burner email to take the conversation off the forum.

Post: #48

Interesting theory...

Post: #49

(05-19-2017 07:46 AM)trian1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 07:25 AM)Valentine Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 05:05 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Questioning and defaming specific individuals are different things. Alex Jones was all about "questioning." He had to settle defamation lawsuits for it.

I mean it's not like they have a *motive* to commit murder and "make an example of a leaker".

Nah - instead the robbery with no proof of robbery is the more likely situation here. You just immediately know by the telltale two shots to the back.

This is essentially my point. The conversation veered off of investigating public figures, to implicating and doxxing private citizens who have not been named as a suspect by any law enforcement agency who has investigated this.

It violates the first rule of this forum "Do not share personal information on the forum"

People were posting a private citizen's name, pictures of him and his family as well as his place of work.

I have said my piece. It wasn't my intention to veer the conversation off. Those who still think it is acceptable to doxx and implicate people not tied to the investigation simply because it fits their pre-determined narrative will continue to do.

How much you wanna bet this guy's IP originates from Langley?

Again...posting publicly shared information is NOT doxxing.

Let me make it simple for you. If someone were to hack into my account here, figure out my email adress, and trace the IP to determine my real identity and place of work, THAT would be doxxing.

If I post on my LInkedIN that I work for a specific company at a specific date, and I just so happen to be a manager at a team that is involved in a major criminal scandal. Somebody wants to ask "where is he working now?" to see if there are any suspicious connections. That is NOT doxxing. Those people already have my real name in conjunction with a news event and researching information that I've shared on my public profile is JOURNALISM, not "doxxing" or "libel".

Post: #50

(05-20-2017 11:16 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  How much you wanna bet this guy's IP originates from Langley?

Having watched what happened at the /pol/ boards and Reddit over the past few days, it would not surprise me that there are malicious actors at RVF, though they are probably of the ShareBlue type.