Post: #3376

^ What are the biggest reasons you don't like Odessa?

Post: #3377

(05-10-2017 09:18 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  To be fair, I'm commenting about your negativity towards certain places in Poland and Ukraine. Particularly the former.

I'm no expert on these places, nor do I claim to be. I've only spent a month in each location so far. But having been to places you've highly criticised, my observations (and those of several other forum guys I had the pleasure of meeting in these places) are highly different from yours.

I'm not saying you have weak game. Nor am I bringing anything forward in that regard. Rather, that you're being overly negative at best, and trolling at worst.

Probably it was still the honeymoon phase for you, girls looked better than in West and they are a little bit polite in answering to your questions/approaches, etc. Once you start dating them, doing short relationship, receiving tons of flakes, find a usual pattern in their histrionic behavior...you start changing your mind. The same opinion of a large number of friends who stayed more than 1/2 years living here. But I know the enthusiasm of the newbie and I can see it when I talk with some French or Italian tourist in Poland, I have also experienced it in the past.
After few years in EE, I can say that I prefer generally girls in West from the point of view of the mentality and since they are generally able to recognize the value (issue specific of Poland, Ukraine is better), girls in EE are a lot better in terms of beauty but this advantage is declining. So I for sure would prefer to interact with American girls, but I also understand that it is arduous for the Yanks of the forum to find decent girls in terms of beauty in States.

(05-10-2017 08:58 PM)Vinny Wrote:  @Giacomo: I can't believe Lviv changed so much in just one year. I had my only SNL there in fashion club. Not easy but doable. A lot of hotness on streets. Are you sure you went to the same Lviv I did?

I remember clearly the first time in Lviv we had girls staring and smiling at us on the streets or in the clubs looking at us (while with Ukrainian male friends) with the typical "please save me" expression. Even in Metro it was great fun despite the presence of intimidating Turks. No longer happened when we came back lately.
As I repeat it is still a lot better than Poland (but you need solid game and a good look/sense of fashion) and generally day game, or approaches in bars, cafes close to universities can be the way to go rather than losing your time in the nightclubs.
As for the language I approach generally in Polish (I do the same when I am in Eastern part of Czech Republic), and switch to English if the girl doesn't understand. Obviously speaking Ukrainian and Russian would be a lot better.

(05-10-2017 09:42 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I agree with Giacomo in that many Western European locations are better nowadays than many overhyped/exhausted Eastern European ones.

I choose Barcelona 10 times over Odessa or Warsaw for example.

I was in Kharkov 2 nights last year after an absence of two years, and also noticed a clear decline. Still good though on a saturday night, the friday night was worst than Lisbon regarding ratios...The amount of Ukrainian, Turkish, Georgian, Westerner and even Polish cock was a shock to me, not specifically because of fear of competition, but mostly because this was not what I had first experienced not that many years back.

...it used to be 9 girls for each guy in the dancefloor. True words.

Definitely Barcelona or Florence are amazing towns for game. Plenty of female tourists ready for ONS or fun.
I think that nowadays only in Siberia you could really run game without being surrounded by other foreigner cocks in clubs.

Post: #3378

Saying the West is better than EE is just retarded. This forum exists because of how shitty the West is.

Post: #3379

(05-10-2017 03:55 AM)charles dumoulin Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:30 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:02 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Nightgame in Kiev is arduous, also in student club like Forsage. The Turkish establishment is complicated to overcome. Suggest you to focus in day game and online game in Kiev.
In France it is another story, girls are less materialistic (except the Parisians) and if you have solid game and you have a good look, you will be successfull no doubt in clubs.

At Forsage you will mostly find young gutter sluts, the Turks mostly target this category as they cannot get the higher quality girls.

Don't underestimate turks , some get very pretty girls

In Lviv they ruined the nightlife

they are not skinflint , they invite girls in turkey ( don't need any visa , cheap flight ), it's easy, and they have a big motivation for get Ukrainian girls . They can pay a lot .
Soon will be again more flights from turkey , Ukraine will be never like before
Difficult to find one girl who was not in Turkey

Well it's rare to see a Turk in Ukraine with anything hot, and there are thousands and thousands of them, some of whom are sex tourists, others are students.

The massage parlours and brothels of Ukraine are doing a roaring trade largely due to Turks and their inability to get laid. I heard that the working girls like Turks as they finish very quickly.

I personally don't not seem them as competition, more as a annoyance.

Yes a lot of Ukrainian girls have either been to Turkey or are planning to go. Many of them come back with an ego boost as they are not used to having so much male attention, especially the fugly ones.

Post: #3380

Nightlife is certainly declining in Ukraine, largely due to the economic situation coupled with the growth of social media.

If a girl is to go out to a club, she needs

a) money for drinks
b) money for the taxi
c) decent clothes to wear
d) make up
e) manicure

Of course a girl may well get a few drinks bought for her and even a taxi home paid for, but she cannot rely on that.

Or, she just sits at home on Vkontakte, Instagram, play some music and talk to men online.

Many girls tell me that these days they just go out when it's a special occasion (some of them lie of course).

For men looking for quality girls then you are best going to Lounge Bars, there are many girls who will go there dressed up, order a cup of tea and wait for an eligible suitor to approach them. You must of course be dressed very well.

Post: #3381

(05-11-2017 01:20 AM)Chaos Wrote:  ^ What are the biggest reasons you don't like Odessa?

Simply not a fan of beach towns these days (probably cause I lived in San Diego and Santa Monica for 7 years; just burnt out of them).

Just no matter where they are, seems my drive gets sapped a bit, it's overrun with tourists, and I just don't have a good time.

But, that is just me personally and others have undoubtedly have had great experiences there.

Specific to Odessa:

• Lack of public transit (if you live in City Garden and want to get to Arkadia)
• Hot and humid
• Turkish tourists
• Lack of things to do outside of immediate center
  

Post: #3382

Cambodian Creamsicle, that depends on the individual and their age, looks, status, money, and gaming style. You can't really make a definitive statement like that for everyone. For example, men in the top 10-20% will clean up in the west and have access to the top quality girls, so why would they put up with sub-standard living conditions in EE when they're already doing well at home? Men who are very good looking and prefer getting quick lays through nightgame, Tinder etc will also be better off in the west, as EE is often a long-term game with several dates required. However, men with below average or average looks/game but who are maybe older with a high bank roll will be much better off in EE. The west isn't as bad as people here make it out to be a lot of the time. It's actually great for 18-30 year old men with something going for them. You just can't be average, or you're gonna have a bad time.

Post: #3383

(05-11-2017 01:27 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 09:18 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  To be fair, I'm commenting about your negativity towards certain places in Poland and Ukraine. Particularly the former.

I'm no expert on these places, nor do I claim to be. I've only spent a month in each location so far. But having been to places you've highly criticised, my observations (and those of several other forum guys I had the pleasure of meeting in these places) are highly different from yours.

I'm not saying you have weak game. Nor am I bringing anything forward in that regard. Rather, that you're being overly negative at best, and trolling at worst.

Probably it was still the honeymoon phase for you, girls looked better than in West and they are a little bit polite in answering to your questions/approaches, etc. Once you start dating them, doing short relationship, receiving tons of flakes, find a usual pattern in their histrionic behavior...you start changing your mind. The same opinion of a large number of friends who stayed more than 1/2 years living here. But I know the enthusiasm of the newbie and I can see it when I talk with some French or Italian tourist in Poland, I have also experienced it in the past.
After few years in EE, I can say that I prefer generally girls in West from the point of view of the mentality and since they are generally able to recognize the value (issue specific of Poland, Ukraine is better), girls in EE are a lot better in terms of beauty but this advantage is declining. So I for sure would prefer to interact with American girls, but I also understand that it is arduous for the Yanks of the forum to find decent girls in terms of beauty in States.

(05-10-2017 08:58 PM)Vinny Wrote:  @Giacomo: I can't believe Lviv changed so much in just one year. I had my only SNL there in fashion club. Not easy but doable. A lot of hotness on streets. Are you sure you went to the same Lviv I did?

I remember clearly the first time in Lviv we had girls staring and smiling at us on the streets or in the clubs looking at us (while with Ukrainian male friends) with the typical "please save me" expression. Even in Metro it was great fun despite the presence of intimidating Turks. No longer happened when we came back lately.
As I repeat it is still a lot better than Poland (but you need solid game and a good look/sense of fashion) and generally day game, or approaches in bars, cafes close to universities can be the way to go rather than losing your time in the nightclubs.
As for the language I approach generally in Polish (I do the same when I am in Eastern part of Czech Republic), and switch to English if the girl doesn't understand. Obviously speaking Ukrainian and Russian would be a lot better.

(05-10-2017 09:42 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I agree with Giacomo in that many Western European locations are better nowadays than many overhyped/exhausted Eastern European ones.

I choose Barcelona 10 times over Odessa or Warsaw for example.

I was in Kharkov 2 nights last year after an absence of two years, and also noticed a clear decline. Still good though on a saturday night, the friday night was worst than Lisbon regarding ratios...The amount of Ukrainian, Turkish, Georgian, Westerner and even Polish cock was a shock to me, not specifically because of fear of competition, but mostly because this was not what I had first experienced not that many years back.

...it used to be 9 girls for each guy in the dancefloor. True words.

Definitely Barcelona or Florence are amazing towns for game. Plenty of female tourists ready for ONS or fun.
I think that nowadays only in Siberia you could really run game without being surrounded by other foreigner cocks in clubs.

I agree with you 100% regarding newbies, they can be a rather annoying to those of us who have spent extended time in Ukraine, we don't have such rose tinted vision.

With regard to saying that the Turks have ruined everything, you should ask yourself what the real Giacomo Casanova would have done in your situation....18th century Venice was the sex capital of Europe where men from all over the place would come to get their end wet.

I very rarely see any Turks getting success in the daytime, they are too pussy to approach, just hang around in groups and just ogle girls that walk past

Post: #3384

(05-11-2017 06:59 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Cambodian Creamsicle, that depends on the individual and their age, looks, status, money, and gaming style. You can't really make a definitive statement like that for everyone. For example, men in the top 10-20% will clean up in the west and have access to the top quality girls, so why would they put up with sub-standard living conditions in EE when they're already doing well at home? Men who are very good looking and prefer getting quick lays through nightgame, Tinder etc will also be better off in the west, as EE is often a long-term game with several dates required. However, men with below average or average looks/game but who are maybe older with a high bank roll will be much better off in EE. The west isn't as bad as people here make it out to be a lot of the time. It's actually great for 18-30 year old men with something going for them. You just can't be average, or you're gonna have a bad time.

Let me correct that for you: men in the top 1-2% will clean up in the west and have access to the top quality girls. There are plenty of rich sad fucks in the West who can't get a girl unless they pay for it and on top of that there's no way in hell 1 or 2 girls out of 10 are "top quality". More like 1 in 1000. Even in Ukraine you'd be hard pressed to identify 1 girls in 10 as "top quality". There are certainly a lot of attractive girls but for top quality you'd have to dig.

Post: #3385

Quote:I very rarely see any Turks getting success in the daytime, they are too pussy to approach, just hang around in groups and just ogle girls that walk past

^ Yep; groups of guys do badly in daygame in general, especially with the Turk disadvantage. Their "success" is in Strip Clubs like "White Rabbit".

What isn't mentioned is the problem isn't the physically present foreigners in Ukraine, which there are few (very few, tourism and the local currency has almost collapsed, on relative terms), but the hordes that send online spam via VK or facebook, offering trips and lame compliments. How much that spoils the chicks I don't know.

But having your act together and travelling, running game in country, will let you easily outmaneuver the computer-based losers who don't know a word of Russian.

Post: #3386

This. Top 20% doesn't mean shit in the west and who on this forum falls in the top 5%? My guess is slim to none. You wouldn't be here to begin with. The reality is the talent most guys on this forum will be able to attain in EE far out-weighs that of the West. And the anecdotal evidence for that is overwhelming.

(05-11-2017 07:51 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 06:59 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Cambodian Creamsicle, that depends on the individual and their age, looks, status, money, and gaming style. You can't really make a definitive statement like that for everyone. For example, men in the top 10-20% will clean up in the west and have access to the top quality girls, so why would they put up with sub-standard living conditions in EE when they're already doing well at home? Men who are very good looking and prefer getting quick lays through nightgame, Tinder etc will also be better off in the west, as EE is often a long-term game with several dates required. However, men with below average or average looks/game but who are maybe older with a high bank roll will be much better off in EE. The west isn't as bad as people here make it out to be a lot of the time. It's actually great for 18-30 year old men with something going for them. You just can't be average, or you're gonna have a bad time.

Let me correct that for you: men in the top 1-2% will clean up in the west and have access to the top quality girls. There are plenty of rich sad fucks in the West who can't get a girl unless they pay for it and on top of that there's no way in hell 1 or 2 girls out of 10 are "top quality". More like 1 in 1000. Even in Ukraine you'd be hard pressed to identify 1 girls in 10 as "top quality". There are certainly a lot of attractive girls but for top quality you'd have to dig.

Post: #3387

In the West the most beautiful girls are largely Eastern European, you must get them fresh off the boat before they get spoiled and end up with some rich investment banker. The advantage is that you have a medley of Eastern Europe women to choose from; if Ukrainian isn't working for you then you can switch to Polish or Lithuanian for example.

Another advantage of hunting at home, is the girls start to learn your culture, for example she starts to think that it's socially acceptable for her to get drunk and spread her legs on the first night.

Of course the best option really is to get them at source, rather than downstream where they end up bloated and poisoned.

Post: #3388

(05-11-2017 04:42 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  Saying the West is better than EE is just retarded. This forum exists because of how shitty the West is.

Nobody said the opposite here. What was said is that some WE places are better than some EE ones.

Nobody said Koln or Rome are better than Kiev or Moscow.

Post: #3389

No, Giacomo said basically all of the EE is fucked.

(05-11-2017 09:52 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 04:42 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  Saying the West is better than EE is just retarded. This forum exists because of how shitty the West is.

Nobody said the opposite here. What was said is that some WE places are better than some EE ones.

Nobody said Koln or Rome are better than Kiev or Moscow.

Post: #3390

Giacomo:

"After few years in EE, I can say that I prefer generally girls in West from the point of view of the mentality and since they are generally able to recognize the value (issue specific of Poland, Ukraine is better), girls in EE are a lot better in terms of beauty but this advantage is declining. So I for sure would prefer to interact with American girls, but I also understand that it is arduous for the Yanks of the forum to find decent girls in terms of beauty in States.

Nightgame in Kiev is arduous, also in student club like Forsage. The Turkish establishment is complicated to overcome. Suggest you to focus in day game and online game in Kiev.
In France it is another story, girls are less materialistic (except the Parisians) and if you have solid game and you have a good look, you will be successfull no doubt in clubs.

It seems like all EE is screwed: in Poland you have plenty of Italians, British and Spanish that destroyed the nightlife, Baltics have been burned for a decade, Budapest is invaded as well, and in UA you have the Turkish establishment. I am afraid that Western Europe won't be the same after the migrant crisis as well."

Post: #3391

(05-11-2017 06:59 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  For example, men in the top 10-20% will clean up in the west and have access to the top quality girls...

Men in the top 10-20% are not "cleaning up" the hottest girls in the west. Maybe the top 5% are cleaning up, with the next 20% doing ok and the rest are just fishing for crumbs scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's a winner takes all capitalist market.

When you consider that approximately half of 20-35yo women in the west are overweight due to the obesity epidemic then that eliminates half of the mating pool. This skews the SMV of a very average looking slim women from a 6 to 7.5 territory simply due to simp thirstiness.

(05-11-2017 06:59 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  so why would they put up with sub-standard living conditions in EE when they're already doing well at home?

My standing of living is even better in EE where I can more easily afford a nice apartment and little luxuries such as massage, fine dining, house keeper, laundry, theatre, opera etc much more than in the west. I'm not sure how there is sub-standard living conditions? Unless you are referring to not spending foreign money and instead earning a local wage, in which case yeh, the quality of life would drop dramatically.

And to address the second part of the sentence - why would a man whose doing OK in the west bother to go overseas? The answer is simple, most men will have a much higher SMV and do much better abroad than in the west.

But you do have a point, if one has a good niche going and wants promiscuous girls with more miles than a Datsun then yeh perhaps better to be in a western anti-feminine feminist country where the birds loan their puss like a library book and throw it around like confetti.

Post: #3392

Well...basically he said that))))

But nonetheless I think he touches some valid points, though some are common sense nowadays like the Turks in Ukraine or stags in Budapest and the Baltics.
On his defense, he praises some places like Czech Republic or Northern Poland.

@Giacomo
Since many guys are picking on your negativity towards EE, and you are already labeled as a negativist, if you could elaborate a little on your past experiences and made you went eastwards perhaps the guys could understand more from where you come from. It is just a challenge that I make you.

Post: #3393

(05-11-2017 10:31 AM)Rocha Wrote:  Well...basically he said that))))

But nonetheless I think he touches some valid points, though some are common sense nowadays like the Turks in Ukraine or stags in Budapest and the Baltics.
On his defense, he praises some places like Czech Republic or Northern Poland.

@Giacomo
Since many guys are picking on your negativity towards EE, and you are already labeled as a negativist, if you could elaborate a little on your past experiences and made you went eastwards perhaps the guys could understand more from where you come from. It is just a challenge that I make you.

I think that I gave already some hints in the previous messages, I have a strong background as night gamer, never considered other options to meet girls except for some social circles pick-ups occasionally. For me the normality few years ago when I was living in West was kissing 3/4 cute girls in one night in Ministry of Sound in London - if you know what it means. In other Western countries during my long term residence I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Also with South American girls I had good memories. So for me the imagine of West is positive. Also when I occasionally travel in West to party, I find a better atmosphere overall and friendlier people. Additionally even in EE I met various cute Western girls and usually being successful and got invited in their countries, things which rarely happened in EE.
Maybe now due to the migrant crisis also West is totally screwed? It is possible, I am no longer living there.
Only problem comes with the fact that I actually like the EE girls, in terms of beauty. I am like addicted.
So once I moved in EE it was better, girls were receptive, I was dating definitely up reaching almost the top, and didn't understand why. It was probably best time of my life. But then suddenly everything started changing: girls got used to foreigners, hordes of desperate guys come here thinking that girls are waiting for them in the airport, they invaded the clubs. Many girls are now scared to go dancing in the center; even my favorite club where 3 years ago was impossible not to kiss at least a girl during a night is a disaster. Girls preferred local guys despite lower value, lower game, lower status, lower look. They don't care if you are a lawyer, if you have a company, if you travel all over the world, if you learn their complicated language, if you dress elegant. They want to show you they are not "easy".
The wow factor is finished, now sometimes they don't look your face when you approach, they say to go away without even say a word about yourself. They have too much choice now...they lost their mind. Here I am talking about my region. There are greener towns in EE for sure where I have been and will come back. Then in the end I am then not saying that all cute girls are the same, I was definitely successful as always in the last months with night game, despite everything, some friends instead gave up. But even despite being successful, it often gives me a sense of "unnatural" flow, there are histrionic reaction after intimacy, they don't get used to high value men, seems like I have to chase them all time, no respect, etc.

Quote:With regard to saying that the Turks have ruined everything, you should ask yourself what the real Giacomo Casanova would have done in your situation....18th century Venice was the sex capital of Europe where men from all over the place would come to get their end wet.

He moved to Czech Republic, Poland, East Germany, Russia

Post: #3394

Quote:My standing of living is even better in EE where I can more easily afford a nice apartment and little luxuries such as massage, fine dining, house keeper, laundry, theatre, opera etcoan their puss like a library book and throw it around like confetti.

Kiev opera House tickets start at the equivalent of $2.00 US each.

Post: #3395

@Giacomo, if you fell out of love with your city, or with the region, you need to leave.

Here's what extremely likely to happen: either you leave now, or you leave in a few years, angrier and more worn out, wishing that "you left a few years ago".

Clearly your heart is not there anymore, you're sort of trying to "relive the good times" by force. Girls can sniff something isn't right about you.

Also if you're a night gamer you're out of luck. Ukraine, Poland etc. are sub-optimal for night game.

Yeah maybe they were perfect for night game some years ago, but that is completely, totally, utterly, and unequivocally irrelevant to the present.

If you want your multi makeouts per night and ons'es, the west is where it's at. Seeing that you did well there to begin with, you shouldn't have a problem.

And no migrants are going to interfere with your make-outs at the Ministry of Sound. Wtf dude.

Post: #3396

GC,

Try to mix in a return key. Your last post is almost unreadable. You said that you "have seen things you people wouldn't believe". What are you referring to?

Many of us are from the west and well traveled. You shouldn't underestimate the collective experiences here.

Post: #3397

(05-11-2017 11:22 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  I think that I gave already some hints in the previous messages, I have a strong background as night gamer, never considered other options to meet girls except for some social circles pick-ups occasionally. For me the normality few years ago when I was living in West was kissing 3/4 cute girls in one night in Ministry of Sound in London - if you know what it means. In other Western countries during my long term residence I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Also with South American girls I had good memories. So for me the imagine of West is positive. Also when I occasionally travel in West to party, I find a better atmosphere overall and friendlier people. Additionally even in EE I met various cute Western girls and usually being successful and got invited in their countries, things which rarely happened in EE.
Maybe now due to the migrant crisis also West is totally screwed? It is possible, I am no longer living there.
Only problem comes with the fact that I actually like the EE girls, in terms of beauty. I am like addicted.
So once I moved in EE it was better, girls were receptive, I was dating definitely up reaching almost the top, and didn't understand why. It was probably best time of my life. But then suddenly everything started changing: girls got used to foreigners, hordes of desperate guys come here thinking that girls are waiting for them in the airport, they invaded the clubs. Many girls are now scared to go dancing in the center; even my favorite club where 3 years ago was impossible not to kiss at least a girl during a night is a disaster. Girls preferred local guys despite lower value, lower game, lower status, lower look. They don't care if you are a lawyer, if you have a company, if you travel all over the world, if you learn their complicated language, if you dress elegant. They want to show you they are not "easy".
The wow factor is finished, now sometimes they don't look your face when you approach, they say to go away without even say a word about yourself. They have too much choice now...they lost their mind. Here I am talking about my region. There are greener towns in EE for sure where I have been and will come back. Then in the end I am then not saying that all cute girls are the same, I was definitely successful as always in the last months with night game, despite everything, some friends instead gave up. But even despite being successful, it often gives me a sense of "unnatural" flow, there are histrionic reaction after intimacy, they don't get used to high value men, seems like I have to chase them all time, no respect, etc.

For a Swiss man you have the worst English grammar I've ever seen.

Sorry guys that invested time in responding, but this post is the clincher for me so I'm calling it now:



Oh and don't forget my personal favorite:

(04-17-2017 01:49 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  I repeat that we are talking for the average foreigner who will generally have a bad time in Krakow to get laid with decent girls. Generally Yanks and Spaniards claim to achieve decent results, instead they go hunting everyone and the reality is that they will be successful only with the girl below 6. We are not saying that a guy with money, look and game is going to fail but that Krakow is a lot harder compared to Czech Republic and Ukraine for instance where we were recently and we had all girls all over us, recognizing instantly our value.

Post: #3398

(05-11-2017 12:56 PM)Dantes Wrote:  You said that you "have seen things you people wouldn't believe". What are you referring to?

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion and C-beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

Obviously.

Post: #3399

Any of you night gamers dared to venture out to the east?

Quote:Ukraine is a politically polarised nation in the midst of a destructive civil war. In this episode of VICELAND’s Big Night Out, Clive Martin investigates how the young are evading patrols and curfews through the illegal party scene in what is currently Europe's only active war zone.

From foam parties only miles from the frontline, to being taught a traditional dance by the Russian militia, this is clubbing like you've never seen it before.

Post: #3400

(05-11-2017 03:35 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  Any of you night gamers dared to venture out to the east?

Quote:Ukraine is a politically polarised nation in the midst of a destructive civil war. In this episode of VICELAND’s Big Night Out, Clive Martin investigates how the young are evading patrols and curfews through the illegal party scene in what is currently Europe's only active war zone.

From foam parties only miles from the frontline, to being taught a traditional dance by the Russian militia, this is clubbing like you've never seen it before.

Bloody hell mate, I bet there are no sex tourists or Turks there, I would give it a shot.