Post: #1

*Please do not turn this thread into politics. There's one about the French election in the politics forum*

What's up gents.

I've been feeling lost and stuck for a year, despite looking like I've got everything I could ever wanted (hell it might be true). I thought it will eventually get better but the more it grind on the more I find it aching at my soul.

Background:

I got a full ride to one of the best liberal art college in US. Like a lot of foreign student I was quickly indoctrinated and embraced SJW fully. I studied Sociology (redpill in nature, blue pill in practice) and after my degree, I did a Master in Paris, France, also in Sociology.

It was at this time that I became full red pill. Best time of my life enjoying women, songs and wine in the most hedonist capital.

Current situation:

Now I got a comfortable job working for a big French TV media firm in Paris. Pretty damn good considering I've got a near-worthless degree. I make exactly the average starting salary in Paris, but enough to live well. The hour 9-18 is exhausting though. I actually do a good job and got a small raise after just a year.

Got a decent apartment with a cool but blue pill roommate.

The problems:

It was always there in the beginning but as a student I was too busy gaming and enjoying life I didnt noticed nor care.

Now that I have a job in the media industry, where 80% of people are girls or gay guys, everyday's just feel like a crucible of torture for the soul. I dont need to tell you how cucked Paris is, and working in the TV industry is like being in ground zero.

The thing is, I'm applying for citizenship in France. A lot of you will say it is worthless, but its because you never had to travel with a passport from some unknown country before. And this job looks like a big bright star for my application. If things go well I'll be naturalized in 2 years.

I always tell myself, 2 more years then I'll be free. But then I realize I might be on the hamster wheel. Being naturalized would give me a lot more freedom, sure, but it doesnt change the fact that I have a degree that will only let me find jobs in the media / cucked sector.

In Europe and (France) there's a huge emphasis on what school you went to and what degree you got. Basically it is super hard if not impossible to transit from, say, market research into sales (or even between different branches of market research for that matter). So I feel like I'm stucked in a soul-crushing job.

Plan for the future:

Going to USA is out of the question. You guys know the H1B system and even if I find a job there, it will still be the exact same problems here so it makes no sense.

I asked management to eventually tranfer me to the in-house sales team, maybe it will be easier than trying to find a sale job outright. If that works then I can have some sale experience that will certainly open up other doors in sales.

I plan to learn Spanish and after I got naturalized, go to Spain for a few months or a year. From then on maybe build more connection and eventually travel again.

There's another alternative I could take once I become naturalized: go full hedonist. Arranged to be fired, live on free unemployment aid for 2 years while working undercover.

My exboss is doing this and he's living the best time of his life. Guy's a Jason Statham look-alike though, and he works undercover as a club promoter while still getting unemployment aid. Basically the French Dan-Bilzerian lifestyle without all the blinks and guns, but tons of girls. Sound great on the surface but way too risky if you want to eventually build a career.

Dont know if anyone has been in my situation and could offer some advice?

Much appreciated,

Post: #2

you said USA is out of the question but have you thought of Canada?

Bilingual French/ English speakers have an easier time getting a work visa. After working 6+ months ( depending on the province) you could apply for Permanent Residency.

Just an option.

Post: #3

Can't you just go back to Vietnam and live life on easy-mode? I'm sure you have all kinds of reasons why you didn't even offer this up in your thread, but I'd think that all of your qualifications would make you an even more candidate/partner in your home country... especially if your family has economic/political sway.

Post: #4

How about taking unemployment and working on a side business?

Post: #5

@sonoran: my rich sister just moved to Vancouver then bought a house in Toronto. I went there to visit her for 3 weeks in Feb and I dont like it there. Mainly the food is sub-par compared to Europe unless you are willing to pay more. But most of all the quality of girls is rather low, and the amount of SJW is off the chart.

I do admit that they do make it easier for someone who speaks 3 languages to head over. I need to see if my degree can be used for something other than media/marketing there. I havent fled Europe to get bombarded with Trudeau. If regulations allow professional immigrant to start their own business then why not?

@booshala: I know it's hard to explain to you guys here why we SEA dont just "go back" given the decline of Europe and even America. The thing is, those in SEA who have the means are all leaving the country. My parents did everything they could so my sister and I could succeed and get out.

Its a paradox I know, but unless you live here its hard to understand. You need to be fuck you rich and even then you need to keep playing the politic game. One small mistake will see you ruined and imprisoned in an instance. Thats why family / business drama is the king of TV in SEA. You have MUCHHH more chance of getting killed in a car accident or in a business assasination than getting bombed by crazed muslims. I've seen so many of my dad's acquaintanced who are fifthy rich suddenly got jailed out of nowhere, and I lost a distant uncle to an assasination.

Europe is fucked up, sure, but dont think SEA dont have its own problems. Most westerner redpiller love it because they are nomading in it, not actually living the life.

Here's the ideal situation: get naturalized, then find a way to get it made in Europe. Once I manage a sizable income stream, live 6 months in France / 6 months in SEA or FSU. But that alone is the premise of the whole thread. Getting made in Europe is getting harder and harder given my degree.

Taxes in France are outright SCANDALOUS making a personal business very risky and not worth it.

Post: #6

Dalaran, do you want to transit into sales because you don't like the content/career potential in your current job or because you cannot stand the SJW cuck working environment?

I have no doubt that the TV industry is indeed ground zero for cultural marxism and progressive degeneracy, but you have to keep in mind that pretty much every Westerner with a higher education degree is a blue pill liberal cuck. I work in computational physics research and 90%+ of my coworkers are hysterical liberals. So I don't know if changing jobs will really help you.

If you really want a more red pill working environment, your best chances are starting your own company or learning a trade.

Post: #7

Where did you visit in Canada? Just Toronto and/or Vancouver? Even though those are the biggest draws, you shouldn't come to any conclusions regarding what life would be like in Canada just based in those two places.

Cost of living is by far the highest in those two, and the cultural aspect you mentioned is strongest compared to any other place as well.

The point I'm trying to get to: did you consider Quebec? I can't speak to it as I haven't been yet but it offers you what other places in Canada do not. French/English fluency will get your foot in the door so you have Montreal and Quebec City to choose from. Plus, I've never heard anyone complain of the quality of the girls in QC.

Anyway, it seems like 2 more years of embracing the suck would be worthwhile for you. An EU passport would give you the freedom to move around, or leave and potentially come back after giving somewhere else a try.

Post: #8

I heard the girls were smoking in Montreal.

Post: #9

Guys I don't think you'll convince Dalaran to move to Canada!

Post: #10

I've heard lots of good thing about either Quebec or Montreal, so I might head there to check it out. No worries Scotian!

Is Canada as hard as Europe in terms of being entrepreneur? Taxes? Regulations?

Post: #11

D Money - go into sales. Start at the bottom and work your way up. Its the place for you to be, to eventually earn great money.

Also, dont bother interacting with your co-workers, ESPECIALLY, the women. NO DATING THE OFFICE GIRLS, OR GIRLS IN THE INDUSTRY. Just do a good job, make sure all correspondence is in email, avoid any in person contact while you can, no personal small talk, chit chat, "feedback", show any anger, etc. Keep your opinions/jokes to yourself. Just dress well, smile, work hard, be positive and get along with your boss. You are using them as much as they are getting out of you. Take full advantage of your benefits, especially healthcare, dental, travel, college tuition, etc. Go to industry events for free and meet other people at other companies, take advantage of all the free meals, drinks and entertainment. Milk that shit dry.

Easier said than done, but you are at the crucible of your career. Dont fuck it up and you can enjoy a comfortable and happy life. You can leave and go travel, but at the end of the day, over time, will you be making as much money? I would focus on a consistent paycheck, and living far below your income to minimize your expenses and maximize your savings. Dont let the seduction of a "digital nomad" lifestyle disuade you from an actual career, a life of spotty income, taxes, no insurance, and little to no savings.

Post: #12

@Phd: I would say a bit of both. I know sales are very stressful, but at least I dont sit behind a PC screen all the time, and I get to move and meet people. Working in the back office is very very steady, but all the credits are claimed by the managers and the sales people. My female boss just came back from a seminar in Turkey where she got a senior suite and a cruiser, and I did all her presentation including the speech. Reading emails of people congratulating "her" excellent presentation makes my blood boil. I'm done.

@Vaun: I have the exact same thought as you, which is what keeps me going through the day to day grind. The digital nomad life is glorified way too much in these parts. I think the key is definitely learn how to milk the system, and being in sales is a good way to do that. Again, the trick is to find a good office job. Many people overlook this, but in general a well paid office drone earns more than the average businessman.

I'm in France so it might be a bit different. It's no taboo to game the girls in office, in the sense that it's very hard to fire people over trivial workplace misconduct. I've been here for just 18 months and I've had 4 different interns, all girls. Havent dipped my pen in the company ink yet but Im working on one.

Again, if it's not for the soul crushing SJW and marxism at my job Im rather content. I can afford to eat lamb chops and drink good Sautern every two days since I cook, and still manage to put away 25% income (20% of which will be claimed by tax anyway...)

I really have to find another office job if moving or starting a business is out of the auestion, preferably in sales or anything performance-based. Some of the "old France" people in the sales team are pretty cool and have nice class. The best thing is that as long as you make your yearly sales people can say all the shit they want and you can still do whatever you want.

Post: #13

Relevant post from Reddit.

Post: #14

(05-02-2017 08:55 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:   Here's the ideal situation: get naturalized, then find a way to get it made in Europe. Once I manage a sizable income stream, live 6 months in France / 6 months in SEA or FSU. But that alone is the premise of the whole thread. Getting made in Europe is getting harder and harder given my degree.

Given the situation with your degree, the obvious solution is to stay in France and start your own business.

I can relate to you a lot, we're about the same age, work in the same industry, and I plan on relocating from Brazil by 2018. I have a self-employment plan that I'm starting to get rolling, but I'm staying on my job until the end of the year to save up money for the first few months.

I know how frustrating it can be, but while you have no place to go or anything better to do, approach the gig stoically and try to do your best at whatever task you are given. If your boss is getting complimented on a presentation you prepared, see it as a sign that you are doing a good job and can perhaps ask for more liberties or benefits. If you don't mind being laid off, ask for a raise or less work hours.

Post: #15

(05-01-2017 11:37 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  The thing is, I'm applying for citizenship in France. A lot of you will say it is worthless, but its because you never had to travel with a passport from some unknown country before. And this job looks like a big bright star for my application. If things go well I'll be naturalized in 2 years.

I'd stick it out until you get citizenship just for the passport. 2 years isn't that much time if you focus on what will happen after you get citizenship.

I would use my time working towards building skills or cashflow that would allow me to live anywhere.

Post: #16

And just what skills would benefit someone with a background like me in the media industry?

I already write pretty well in English and French and I'm still honing it. Its a good skill to have sure, but most industries based on that field is extremely SJW.

I thought about learning to code, but I have no experience with that whatsoever and realistically I dont think there's any chance I can compete with guys with computer science degree.

Sale skills are great and also a subset of game, and gives you a lot of flexibility. As said I'm trying to get an in-house transfer to the sale team, but what other options to make a transition are there?

Thanks guys,

Post: #17

(05-02-2017 02:45 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I'm in France so it might be a bit different. It's no taboo to game the girls in office, in the sense that it's very hard to fire people over trivial workplace misconduct. I've been here for just 18 months and I've had 4 different interns, all girls. Havent dipped my pen in the company ink yet but Im working on one.

Sex is easy, obviously. Falling in love is a different story. Fall in love with a girl in the office, who you subsequently break up with, can totally wreck your focus and effectiveness on the job, or desire to even go to work. I've seen it happen many times. It will make you quit a lucrative job. Be careful out there...

Post: #18

Obviously, you know much more about your home country than I do. However, I've seen half a dozen friends (Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai) that grew up in the US go back to their countries of origins and live that 1% lifestyle which was not a viable option in America. Obviously, life isn't a cakewalk there, but the overall response is that they have a lot more opportunities with a Western degree and English proficiency combined with local connections. I found the same situation when I worked in Korea as a fluent English speaker with a degree from a well known US school.

Still, when you mention assassinations and political jockeying, that doesn't sound enticing at all...

Post: #19

Is there anything in media or the company you work for that looks interesting? Someone you can grab a coffee with in another department to test the water for a transfer? Surely you must have had something in mind as a 'dream job' when you undertook a career in media.

Just food for thought, in case you are hesitant to drop your current path towards French naturalization.

Post: #20

(05-02-2017 06:26 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  And just what skills would benefit someone with a background like me in the media industry?

I already write pretty well in English and French and I'm still honing it. Its a good skill to have sure, but most industries based on that field is extremely SJW.

I thought about learning to code, but I have no experience with that whatsoever and realistically I dont think there's any chance I can compete with guys with computer science degree.

Sale skills are great and also a subset of game, and gives you a lot of flexibility. As said I'm trying to get an in-house transfer to the sale team, but what other options to make a transition are there?

Thanks guys,

You should take a look at the programming thread if you think only guys with computer science degrees are getting jobs. Make sure you enjoy the process if you want to go that way.

Internet related:
People are making money off of helping companies build brands on social media. Some make money putting together sales videos. Copywriting, imo, is the best skill to have for location independence. I have seen guys sell services that set up facebook ads for companies. A ton of stuff if you start looking.

Carpentry, electrical, welding, automotive... I imagine there is demand for these type of skills everywhere.

Check out Scott Adams book.
https://www.amazon.com/How-Fail-Almost-E...B00COOFBA4

He talks about stacking skill sets that will help set you apart from others. It isn't necessarily being the best at one skill but being reasonable good at a set of skills that can help you succeed. There are many programmers that are very good at programming. They can't come up with a credible idea that would sell nor can most of them market their programs. They are stuck working for someone else telling them what to code. I am not a great programmer but I have no problem coming up with ideas that make money and can market those products.

Post: #21

Here's my antidote to your problem. Get out there and start meetings lots of people(I feel like I say this all too often when responding to things on the forum). Just meet people and doors will open. I had a similar train of thought for different reasons than yours 2 or so years ago. Now by searching for people who I relate too and see eye to eye with I've had doors open for me that weren't open when I was looking out for my own gains. Building solid rapport has been the game changer.

I think that's the first step.

After that. It's about solidifying these channels and leveraging them into something feasible. One of my now closest friends approached me about a venture of his. I plan to pledge a few grand to him for it as I see a lot of potential in it. Shit I might even join up with him on it. Once you've found people that see eye to eye with you then you need to act in their benefit so they'll naturally act in yours. Just as he found a goldmine in his niche that could be one for me as well even though I have a layman's knowledge of the topic.

It's all about investing here. I think you can do it from what I've seen from you over the years on the forum I think you're more than capable. Especially with such a starting place as media. That's a hell of a position to be blessed with even from my eyes.

Leverage that in a social way. It's hard to be social in this day and age and truly relate to people of all stripes. You're in one of those few places where you can do so.

Good luck and godspeed mate!

Cheers!

Post: #22

Holy shit, I always thought you were French since I was looking for Frenchies POV about game, I fairly enjoy reading you. Anyways, here's my two cents: get naturalized then look for a promotion. Like komatiite said, look for whatever may be interesting in the company you work for. Turn yourself into an asset and socialize a LOT, Comte De St. Germain gave pretty solid advises that should work in the France I know.

Also, don't game or fuck in the office unless the girl hit on you first. Don't be that guy who fucked all his co workers, It will come back to hurt you in the long run. In France many people have adventure at work, it's a little taboo but well known. Many meet their partner at the office or from co-workers friends. The key is to be discreet because people talk too much. Socialize, talk to your co-worker, don't turn off after work apéro or things of the sort but stay private and reserved it will help you enlarge your social circle and gets you professional contacts.

In France, your co-workers can become your friend, take these friendship with a grain of salt, they are circumstantial but can have solid benefit. Good luck with the institutionalized French Hypocrisy tho, I'm sure you're already aware of it.

Post: #23

Give us an update, how are things?

Post: #24

I used to be in a similar situation to you, and eventually, you'll need to figure out what kind of work you want to do. A lot of people advocate sales because it has high income potential, but the reality is, if you're not built for it, then sales are crushing.

Have you considered being a photographer for tourists? Finding cool spots in the city that you could do shoots from, eg nature shots etc.

Post: #25

^
Anything that's worth doing involves some sort of salesmanship.
If you want to be a photographer for tourists you have to market and sell your photos...

Sales is unavoidable in the quest of independence.