Post: #3251

(03-15-2017 08:47 PM)elRey Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:08 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I can relate to this question. ONS are not common, and I doubt you will read someone from any background saying otherwise. But, they happen.

As a comparison, I live in Lisbon that is quite far from being the best city in the world to game, had 8 ONS here during last summer (3 months), mostly with tourist girls, a couple of them far above average, and so far this year had 2 ONS both with local Portuguese girls, one above average. In Ukraine, over the course of my 14 trips (5 to 6 months overall combined) just had 3 ONS, one butterface with a stunning body (The Ligurian helped making it happen) , and two cute students HB7 at most. Though I can't settle for average or below average in Ukraine, in sum, the kind of girls I can bang regularly back home.

Damn 14 trips! You must love the place hahaha

So, if the goal isn't a ONS because girls there aren't into it or for whatever reason, does that still mean that you have to put in tons of work to get a new girl?

I understand that more conservative girls are going to need a little more warming up, but is there like a particular system that you would recommend to get a revolving door going?

Or do you generally give up on getting heaps of girls there and go for a longer relationship?

I get heaps of girls but not on ONS, more like rotating mini relationships. I usually bang them on the second or third date. The few cases I banged girls on first dates, they had massive ASD and I never saw them again (I still regret them)...

Post: #3252

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:47 PM)elRey Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:08 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I can relate to this question. ONS are not common, and I doubt you will read someone from any background saying otherwise. But, they happen.

As a comparison, I live in Lisbon that is quite far from being the best city in the world to game, had 8 ONS here during last summer (3 months), mostly with tourist girls, a couple of them far above average, and so far this year had 2 ONS both with local Portuguese girls, one above average. In Ukraine, over the course of my 14 trips (5 to 6 months overall combined) just had 3 ONS, one butterface with a stunning body (The Ligurian helped making it happen) , and two cute students HB7 at most. Though I can't settle for average or below average in Ukraine, in sum, the kind of girls I can bang regularly back home.

Damn 14 trips! You must love the place hahaha

So, if the goal isn't a ONS because girls there aren't into it or for whatever reason, does that still mean that you have to put in tons of work to get a new girl?

I understand that more conservative girls are going to need a little more warming up, but is there like a particular system that you would recommend to get a revolving door going?

Or do you generally give up on getting heaps of girls there and go for a longer relationship?

Yes, I love the place. Just the other day I have noticed I am by far the #1 poster in this thread

I will give you two perspectives, first is the women perspective, as far as my experience tells, Ukrainian mentality is that a respectable lady does not give her pussy in the first date, no matter how horny she is, they have more game than the Western guys or Turks that go there to bang, and most of the times, they know why you are there (let's agree that it is not the best country to make business or work), as such, they use this also to be certain that the guy is not just a passing by foreigner looking to have some fun and disappear, so they close the gates on the first date/meeting most of the times to force the guy to a second date, and for him to put some effort and deserve the "prize", by this I am talking about nice girls from middle class (lower to upper), not scammers, semi-pros, club rats, or foreign groupies. Girls that struggle in life (the majority) normally will also use this tactic and in addition will also try to extract something in return of the aforementioned "prize", by this I mean gifts or whatever similar.
Then I will give you my perspective, as I said before, unless I am wasted drunk, I wont ever go for girls that I can lay back home, and on top of that, I like a "woman" and not a "girl", I like high heels and tight dresses, I like over the knee boots and mink coats, I like long and beautiful hair and well done gel varnish nails, I do not like jeans and sneakers, piercings and short hair.
But... any girl that passes the boner test I bang, I am not picky on that regard, it is just that I might not put the 100% effort in trying to. Nonetheless ONS are rare generally, is almost common sense regarding Ukraine...unless your target is 5s, but is not this really the same almost everywhere? Tell me a place where ONS with HB8s are common for a guy not in the top 1% and I will head there instantly.

In resume, I do not think it has to be put a lot of work to bang an Ukrainian women, you have to be confident, masculine, direct, and not an obnoxious, loud and sarcastic anglosphere chump. Though some girls might like guys in this description, they are not for me, that's not what I look for.

Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero. I have managed to build and still maintain a reliable stable of girls, that normally are eager, pleased and happy to meet me.

An important note is that nowadays I can speak a fairly decent Russian, and my biggest red flag with a women is when she perfectly speaks a foreign language, specially english.

Rocha, when you talk about women, what age do you mean?, over 25 or over 40?

When I last visited Ukraine I found the women who were over about 28 seemed to have hit a wall. I found the older chicks better in Russia, Latvia, Hungary, Czechia etc

Post: #3253

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:47 PM)elRey Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:08 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I can relate to this question. ONS are not common, and I doubt you will read someone from any background saying otherwise. But, they happen.

As a comparison, I live in Lisbon that is quite far from being the best city in the world to game, had 8 ONS here during last summer (3 months), mostly with tourist girls, a couple of them far above average, and so far this year had 2 ONS both with local Portuguese girls, one above average. In Ukraine, over the course of my 14 trips (5 to 6 months overall combined) just had 3 ONS, one butterface with a stunning body (The Ligurian helped making it happen) , and two cute students HB7 at most. Though I can't settle for average or below average in Ukraine, in sum, the kind of girls I can bang regularly back home.

Damn 14 trips! You must love the place hahaha

So, if the goal isn't a ONS because girls there aren't into it or for whatever reason, does that still mean that you have to put in tons of work to get a new girl?

I understand that more conservative girls are going to need a little more warming up, but is there like a particular system that you would recommend to get a revolving door going?

Or do you generally give up on getting heaps of girls there and go for a longer relationship?

Yes, I love the place. Just the other day I have noticed I am by far the #1 poster in this thread

I will give you two perspectives, first is the women perspective, as far as my experience tells, Ukrainian mentality is that a respectable lady does not give her pussy in the first date, no matter how horny she is, they have more game than the Western guys or Turks that go there to bang, and most of the times, they know why you are there (let's agree that it is not the best country to make business or work), as such, they use this also to be certain that the guy is not just a passing by foreigner looking to have some fun and disappear, so they close the gates on the first date/meeting most of the times to force the guy to a second date, and for him to put some effort and deserve the "prize", by this I am talking about nice girls from middle class (lower to upper), not scammers, semi-pros, club rats, or foreign groupies. Girls that struggle in life (the majority) normally will also use this tactic and in addition will also try to extract something in return of the aforementioned "prize", by this I mean gifts or whatever similar.
Then I will give you my perspective, as I said before, unless I am wasted drunk, I wont ever go for girls that I can lay back home, and on top of that, I like a "woman" and not a "girl", I like high heels and tight dresses, I like over the knee boots and mink coats, I like long and beautiful hair and well done gel varnish nails, I do not like jeans and sneakers, piercings and short hair.
But... any girl that passes the boner test I bang, I am not picky on that regard, it is just that I might not put the 100% effort in trying to. Nonetheless ONS are rare generally, is almost common sense regarding Ukraine...unless your target is 5s, but is not this really the same almost everywhere? Tell me a place where ONS with HB8s are common for a guy not in the top 1% and I will head there instantly.

In resume, I do not think it has to be put a lot of work to bang an Ukrainian women, you have to be confident, masculine, direct, and not an obnoxious, loud and sarcastic anglosphere chump. Though some girls might like guys in this description, they are not for me, that's not what I look for.

Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero. I have managed to build and still maintain a reliable stable of girls, that normally are eager, pleased and happy to meet me.

An important note is that nowadays I can speak a fairly decent Russian, and my biggest red flag with a women is when she perfectly speaks a foreign language, specially english.

Rocha, when you talk about women, what age do you mean?, over 25 or over 40?

When I last visited Ukraine I found the women who were over about 28 seemed to have hit a wall. I found the older chicks better in Russia, Latvia, Hungary, Czechia etc

Post: #3254

(03-16-2017 07:01 AM)Henny Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:47 PM)elRey Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:08 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I can relate to this question. ONS are not common, and I doubt you will read someone from any background saying otherwise. But, they happen.

As a comparison, I live in Lisbon that is quite far from being the best city in the world to game, had 8 ONS here during last summer (3 months), mostly with tourist girls, a couple of them far above average, and so far this year had 2 ONS both with local Portuguese girls, one above average. In Ukraine, over the course of my 14 trips (5 to 6 months overall combined) just had 3 ONS, one butterface with a stunning body (The Ligurian helped making it happen) , and two cute students HB7 at most. Though I can't settle for average or below average in Ukraine, in sum, the kind of girls I can bang regularly back home.

Damn 14 trips! You must love the place hahaha

So, if the goal isn't a ONS because girls there aren't into it or for whatever reason, does that still mean that you have to put in tons of work to get a new girl?

I understand that more conservative girls are going to need a little more warming up, but is there like a particular system that you would recommend to get a revolving door going?

Or do you generally give up on getting heaps of girls there and go for a longer relationship?

Yes, I love the place. Just the other day I have noticed I am by far the #1 poster in this thread

I will give you two perspectives, first is the women perspective, as far as my experience tells, Ukrainian mentality is that a respectable lady does not give her pussy in the first date, no matter how horny she is, they have more game than the Western guys or Turks that go there to bang, and most of the times, they know why you are there (let's agree that it is not the best country to make business or work), as such, they use this also to be certain that the guy is not just a passing by foreigner looking to have some fun and disappear, so they close the gates on the first date/meeting most of the times to force the guy to a second date, and for him to put some effort and deserve the "prize", by this I am talking about nice girls from middle class (lower to upper), not scammers, semi-pros, club rats, or foreign groupies. Girls that struggle in life (the majority) normally will also use this tactic and in addition will also try to extract something in return of the aforementioned "prize", by this I mean gifts or whatever similar.
Then I will give you my perspective, as I said before, unless I am wasted drunk, I wont ever go for girls that I can lay back home, and on top of that, I like a "woman" and not a "girl", I like high heels and tight dresses, I like over the knee boots and mink coats, I like long and beautiful hair and well done gel varnish nails, I do not like jeans and sneakers, piercings and short hair.
But... any girl that passes the boner test I bang, I am not picky on that regard, it is just that I might not put the 100% effort in trying to. Nonetheless ONS are rare generally, is almost common sense regarding Ukraine...unless your target is 5s, but is not this really the same almost everywhere? Tell me a place where ONS with HB8s are common for a guy not in the top 1% and I will head there instantly.

In resume, I do not think it has to be put a lot of work to bang an Ukrainian women, you have to be confident, masculine, direct, and not an obnoxious, loud and sarcastic anglosphere chump. Though some girls might like guys in this description, they are not for me, that's not what I look for.

Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero. I have managed to build and still maintain a reliable stable of girls, that normally are eager, pleased and happy to meet me.

An important note is that nowadays I can speak a fairly decent Russian, and my biggest red flag with a women is when she perfectly speaks a foreign language, specially english.

Rocha, when you talk about women, what age do you mean?, over 25 or over 40?

When I last visited Ukraine I found the women who were over about 28 seemed to have hit a wall. I found the older chicks better in Russia, Latvia, Hungary, Czechia etc

When I say "women' I am more focused in the way they carry themselves, dress and behave, and less on the age.

But since you talk about this, there is plenty of stunning women above 25 in Ukraine, and I have banged also some russian MiLfs. Regarding Latvia, yes, they're MILFs are legendary, I remember seeing some of the best over there, and last year I banged a very thight and fit Latvian MILF tourist, early 40s, she is quite something.

Post: #3255

For those that do not know ---

Starting from October 2017 the European lowcoster Ryanair will be flying from Kyiv and Lviv!

Destinations:
Kyiv-London
Kyiv-Manchester
Kyiv-Eindhoven
Kyiv-Stockholm
Lviv-Krakow
Lviv-Budapest
Lviv-Berlin
Lviv-Wroclaw
Lviv-Memmingen
Lviv-Eindhoven
Lviv-London

Post: #3256

(03-16-2017 03:51 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero.

Lol that's where 90% of my friends in Ukraine fail! Pussy whipped

Saturday nights are for BBC! (Booze, Bars and Clubs) FFS!))

I am certainly not like your buddies))) I should have wrote "my biggest issue is to get rid of women on weekends..."

Post: #3257

(03-16-2017 09:25 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:51 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero.

Lol that's where 90% of my friends in Ukraine fail! Pussy whipped

Saturday nights are for BBC! (Booze, Bars and Clubs) FFS!))

I am certainly not like your buddies))) I should have wrote "my biggest issue is to get rid of women on weekends..."

And people attack me when I say I have eight 18 year olds and nine 19 year olds constantly buying me shit.

Post: #3258

(03-17-2017 02:44 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 09:25 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:51 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero.

Lol that's where 90% of my friends in Ukraine fail! Pussy whipped

Saturday nights are for BBC! (Booze, Bars and Clubs) FFS!))

I am certainly not like your buddies))) I should have wrote "my biggest issue is to get rid of women on weekends..."

And people attack me when I say I have eight 18 year olds and nine 19 year olds constantly buying me shit.

You 'enjoy' Skybar and CHI?

I don't even feel like I'm in Ukraine when I'm at CHI. It's Where's Waldo but for Ukrainians.

Post: #3259

(03-17-2017 02:48 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 02:44 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 09:25 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:51 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero.

Lol that's where 90% of my friends in Ukraine fail! Pussy whipped

Saturday nights are for BBC! (Booze, Bars and Clubs) FFS!))

I am certainly not like your buddies))) I should have wrote "my biggest issue is to get rid of women on weekends..."

And people attack me when I say I have eight 18 year olds and nine 19 year olds constantly buying me shit.

You 'enjoy' Skybar and CHI?

I don't even feel like I'm in Ukraine when I'm at CHI. It's Where's Waldo but for Ukrainians.

We have different perspectives. For me Ukraine is Skybar and CHI, because that's what I do not have back home, hipster places on the other hand I have plenty.

Post: #3260

(03-16-2017 08:22 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 07:01 AM)Henny Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:47 PM)elRey Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:08 PM)Rocha Wrote:  I can relate to this question. ONS are not common, and I doubt you will read someone from any background saying otherwise. But, they happen.

As a comparison, I live in Lisbon that is quite far from being the best city in the world to game, had 8 ONS here during last summer (3 months), mostly with tourist girls, a couple of them far above average, and so far this year had 2 ONS both with local Portuguese girls, one above average. In Ukraine, over the course of my 14 trips (5 to 6 months overall combined) just had 3 ONS, one butterface with a stunning body (The Ligurian helped making it happen) , and two cute students HB7 at most. Though I can't settle for average or below average in Ukraine, in sum, the kind of girls I can bang regularly back home.

Damn 14 trips! You must love the place hahaha

So, if the goal isn't a ONS because girls there aren't into it or for whatever reason, does that still mean that you have to put in tons of work to get a new girl?

I understand that more conservative girls are going to need a little more warming up, but is there like a particular system that you would recommend to get a revolving door going?

Or do you generally give up on getting heaps of girls there and go for a longer relationship?

Yes, I love the place. Just the other day I have noticed I am by far the #1 poster in this thread

I will give you two perspectives, first is the women perspective, as far as my experience tells, Ukrainian mentality is that a respectable lady does not give her pussy in the first date, no matter how horny she is, they have more game than the Western guys or Turks that go there to bang, and most of the times, they know why you are there (let's agree that it is not the best country to make business or work), as such, they use this also to be certain that the guy is not just a passing by foreigner looking to have some fun and disappear, so they close the gates on the first date/meeting most of the times to force the guy to a second date, and for him to put some effort and deserve the "prize", by this I am talking about nice girls from middle class (lower to upper), not scammers, semi-pros, club rats, or foreign groupies. Girls that struggle in life (the majority) normally will also use this tactic and in addition will also try to extract something in return of the aforementioned "prize", by this I mean gifts or whatever similar.
Then I will give you my perspective, as I said before, unless I am wasted drunk, I wont ever go for girls that I can lay back home, and on top of that, I like a "woman" and not a "girl", I like high heels and tight dresses, I like over the knee boots and mink coats, I like long and beautiful hair and well done gel varnish nails, I do not like jeans and sneakers, piercings and short hair.
But... any girl that passes the boner test I bang, I am not picky on that regard, it is just that I might not put the 100% effort in trying to. Nonetheless ONS are rare generally, is almost common sense regarding Ukraine...unless your target is 5s, but is not this really the same almost everywhere? Tell me a place where ONS with HB8s are common for a guy not in the top 1% and I will head there instantly.

In resume, I do not think it has to be put a lot of work to bang an Ukrainian women, you have to be confident, masculine, direct, and not an obnoxious, loud and sarcastic anglosphere chump. Though some girls might like guys in this description, they are not for me, that's not what I look for.

Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero. I have managed to build and still maintain a reliable stable of girls, that normally are eager, pleased and happy to meet me.

An important note is that nowadays I can speak a fairly decent Russian, and my biggest red flag with a women is when she perfectly speaks a foreign language, specially english.

Rocha, when you talk about women, what age do you mean?, over 25 or over 40?

When I last visited Ukraine I found the women who were over about 28 seemed to have hit a wall. I found the older chicks better in Russia, Latvia, Hungary, Czechia etc

When I say "women' I am more focused in the way they carry themselves, dress and behave, and less on the age.

But since you talk about this, there is plenty of stunning women above 25 in Ukraine, and I have banged also some russian MiLfs. Regarding Latvia, yes, they're MILFs are legendary, I remember seeing some of the best over there, and last year I banged a very thight and fit Latvian MILF tourist, early 40s, she is quite something.

Yes I like Baltic Milf, I suppose they have better genetics due to more money and independent lifestyles.

In Ukraine I tend not to go over 30, and I'm in my forties.

Post: #3261

(03-17-2017 02:44 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 09:25 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:51 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Personally, my biggest issue in Ukraine nowadays after so many trips, is to be free of a woman on a Friday or Saturday night, in order to enjoy alone or with buddies the fantastic clubs over there, like Skybar, CHI or Bolero.

Lol that's where 90% of my friends in Ukraine fail! Pussy whipped

Saturday nights are for BBC! (Booze, Bars and Clubs) FFS!))

I am certainly not like your buddies))) I should have wrote "my biggest issue is to get rid of women on weekends..."

And people attack me when I say I have eight 18 year olds and nine 19 year olds constantly buying me shit.

Then next time make a small lie like mine

Post: #3262

Here, PM for going out.

Post: #3263

Anyone in Kharkiv? I am going to spend April and May there.

Post: #3264

(03-26-2017 03:49 AM)eetrader Wrote:  Anyone in Kharkiv? I am going to spend April and May there.

talan most nem tudom

Post: #3265

I'm arriving in Odessa on Monday, will be staying with friends in Chornomorsk (previously known as Illichevsk). Does anyone have any intel? The place seems pretty industrial, being a port; are there any must-sees? Rocha - hope you're well mate. PM sent.

Post: #3266

(03-24-2017 03:12 PM)HD668B Wrote:  Here, PM for going out.

Here also, sent PM. Others in Kiev?

Post: #3267

I'm in Kiev. The weather here is awesome. Lots of gorgeous women out.

Post: #3268

(04-02-2017 12:19 PM)invictusiii Wrote:  I'm in Kiev. The weather here is awesome. Lots of gorgeous women out.

I hate you

Post: #3269

Lol

Post: #3270

For Kiev veterans, any tips of affordable housing?

I mean local or almost-local prices? AirBnB is pretty expensive and I'm trying on Olx.ua for rooms without much luck, possibly bc I'm American.

A few agencies have told my friend(who made some calls for me) to forget about renting for less than a year at local prices.

I don't mind a roommate situation but even room ads aren't responding.

Post: #3271

(04-03-2017 07:59 AM)Free Wrote:  For Kiev veterans, any tips of affordable housing?

I mean local or almost-local prices? AirBnB is pretty expensive and I'm trying on Olx.ua for rooms without much luck, possibly bc I'm American.

A few agencies have told my friend(who made some calls for me) to forget about renting for less than a year at local prices.

I don't mind a roommate situation but even room ads aren't responding.

Did you try https://www.dobovo.com/

Post: #3272

I did actually. Found prices higher than airbnb actually. I'll check them again just to make sure.

Post: #3273

(04-03-2017 12:32 PM)Free Wrote:  I did actually. Found prices higher than airbnb actually. I'll check them again just to make sure.

How long are you trying to rent for?

Post: #3274

Deff three months, possibly longer. Going to look at two places today of olx.ua, hopefully one is acceptable. Prices are more reasonable than most I've seen.

Post: #3275

(04-04-2017 04:54 AM)Free Wrote:  Deff three months, possibly longer. Going to look at two places today of olx.ua, hopefully one is acceptable. Prices are more reasonable than most I've seen.

What are prices like currently ?

I'm planning for Kiev for mid - May hopefully something near Gulliver Mall area