Post: #26

Those cops could ease up on the donuts as well.

Post: #27

I was waiting for it to turn into another one of these.





Fair play to the security guard for keeping his cool and fuck that woman was an idiot.

Post: #28

Although masculine behavior from women is generally frowned upon around here, I do think there is a time and place for it. In a lesser of two evils way, there are times when everyone can benefit from an ass kicking, and it's better for a woman to handle that than a man. That large older women should have at least put her weight to good use and taken down that waiflike princess.

Post: #29

WNB

Post: #30

I was waiting for the security guard to blurt out:

"Foolish guac bowl merchant!"

Post: #31

What I also noticed was that despite the guard / employee not even having a good hold of the girl.
He was still able to rag-doll her around.

Had he gone full jiu-jitsu / MMA, she would have been out for the count.

Why oh why wasn't Wonder Woman there to save the day...?

Post: #32

In my view, the real hero here is the person who shot the video.

This is what amateur video shot on the fly should look like. Clear, relatively steady, no commentary from the cinematographer, and most important of all: camera held in horizontal ("landscape") orientation.

To the documentarian who captured this important event, I salute you.

Post: #33

(03-21-2017 05:42 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Poor girl: cute, blond and slim like that

   

Post: #34

(03-21-2017 06:02 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Having once worked in retail eons ago, I am surprised they have LP that is allowed to touch a shopper that is stealing. It's still strange from a legal aspect that the police can come and arrest/detail without checking what she stole first. Also strange that store policy allows for a security personnel to take punches while on the job while detaining a theft suspect.

Not complaining, but this is so much different than when I used to work in retail back before college. Would be interesting to see what some RVF lawyers think about the video. Would it make it harder for the store to press charges or easier?

It's completely normal for authorized security staff to go hands on. If you look on Youtube, you'll find a ton of videos. Generally, it comes down to store policy. Some companies have loss prevention staff that are authorized to go hands-on and some do not. Both policies are common.

In the US, it varies by state a bit, but generally, the legal requirements for a shop owner and his agents to make a citizen's arrest are lower than for any other crime.

In Michigan, for example, the legal threshold to make a citizen's arrest is that the perpetrator has committed a felony. Since theft equal to the value of $500 is a felony and anything less a misdemeanor, you can put your hands on someone who is trying to leave if they are stealing $500 worth of goods. If they use force in response to your legal efforts to prevent them from leaving before the police can arrive, they've committed an assault (a felony) and you are well within your rights to take them down and pin them.

Retail fraud, however, has a much lower threshold, in that agents of the store can arrest you for stealing as much as a pencil. Once again, you can't put the person in a headlock immediately, but you can block their path, use your hands to prevent them from moving towards the exit. If they resist you, it's assault and you can make an arrest.

As a private individual, these encounters are generally not worth the risk, unless there are plenty of witnesses. As well, even if you are within your rights to prevent them from leaving, there's always a chance a judge could rule that you went beyond reasonable force.

For loss prevention staff, there is a risk of legal action against you, but it's much lower. For hands on staff, there is training on what they can and cannot legally do and the police will take the side of the loss prevention staff 99% of the time, unless there is a serious injury to the individual who is suspected of shoplifting or they were not shoplifting and the accusation was unfounded.

Arresting shoplifters is routine for the police in some areas, which would explain why they hooked her up so fast. The police know that the store staff values their freedom and job enough that the odds of it being a false accusation is unlikely. However, the police will have to review evidence (security footage, witness statements) before placing a formal charge and it'll have to stick in court.

Loss prevention staff prefer not to go hands on (generally), as it makes their job easier not to and they are less likely to end up outside the bounders of their legal rights, but if a subject tries to leave, physically preventing them from doing so is the norm if they have a hands-on policy.

Post: #35

In the US, citizens (including vendors and their employees) can use reasonable, proportionate force to protect their property (not lethal force though, unless in legitimate self-defense), and vendors may detain someone long enough to determine whether the person stole from them.

Accusing someone of shoplifting, as the man did, is the real risk...if the chick were able to convince a jury that she meant to pay for the property, she could prevail in a defamation claim, and walk away with 500X the value of what she originally, uh, borrowed.

Post: #36

This video is an allegory of what should be happening in the feminists vs patriarchy battle.

Calm and firm.

"Go somewhere else if you want to shoplift western civilization. You can't do that here."

Post: #37

(03-21-2017 09:19 PM)Scoundrel Wrote:  In my view, the real hero here is the person who shot the video.

This is what amateur video shot on the fly should look like. Clear, relatively steady, no commentary from the cinematographer, and most important of all: camera held in horizontal ("landscape") orientation.

To the documentarian who captured this important event, I salute you.

Nice tie in with your avatar!

Post: #38

Post: #39

I love how she has the nuts to talk shit to the secret shopper but when Officer Hank Schrader from Breaking Bad comes to the rescue she obeys him like a scared puppy.

Post: #40

(03-21-2017 10:57 PM)GoldHawkStar Wrote:  I love how she has the nuts to talk shit to the secret shopper but when Officer Hank Schrader from Breaking Bad comes to the rescue she obeys him like a scared puppy.

Women love a man in uniform.

Post: #41

Without even looking it up I'm betting that this was in Florida

Post: #42

(03-21-2017 09:36 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 06:02 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Having once worked in retail eons ago, I am surprised they have LP that is allowed to touch a shopper that is stealing. It's still strange from a legal aspect that the police can come and arrest/detail without checking what she stole first. Also strange that store policy allows for a security personnel to take punches while on the job while detaining a theft suspect.

Not complaining, but this is so much different than when I used to work in retail back before college. Would be interesting to see what some RVF lawyers think about the video. Would it make it harder for the store to press charges or easier?

It's completely normal for authorized security staff to go hands on. If you look on Youtube, you'll find a ton of videos. Generally, it comes down to store policy. Some companies have loss prevention staff that are authorized to go hands-on and some do not. Both policies are common.

In the US, it varies by state a bit, but generally, the legal requirements for a shop owner and his agents to make a citizen's arrest are lower than for any other crime.

In Michigan, for example, the legal threshold to make a citizen's arrest is that the perpetrator has committed a felony. Since theft equal to the value of $500 is a felony and anything less a misdemeanor, you can put your hands on someone who is trying to leave if they are stealing $500 worth of goods. If they use force in response to your legal efforts to prevent them from leaving before the police can arrive, they've committed an assault (a felony) and you are well within your rights to take them down and pin them.

Retail fraud, however, has a much lower threshold, in that agents of the store can arrest you for stealing as much as a pencil. Once again, you can't put the person in a headlock immediately, but you can block their path, use your hands to prevent them from moving towards the exit. If they resist you, it's assault and you can make an arrest.

As a private individual, these encounters are generally not worth the risk, unless there are plenty of witnesses. As well, even if you are within your rights to prevent them from leaving, there's always a chance a judge could rule that you went beyond reasonable force.

For loss prevention staff, there is a risk of legal action against you, but it's much lower. For hands on staff, there is training on what they can and cannot legally do and the police will take the side of the loss prevention staff 99% of the time, unless there is a serious injury to the individual who is suspected of shoplifting or they were not shoplifting and the accusation was unfounded.

Arresting shoplifters is routine for the police in some areas, which would explain why they hooked her up so fast. The police know that the store staff values their freedom and job enough that the odds of it being a false accusation is unlikely. However, the police will have to review evidence (security footage, witness statements) before placing a formal charge and it'll have to stick in court.

Loss prevention staff prefer not to go hands on (generally), as it makes their job easier not to and they are less likely to end up outside the bounders of their legal rights, but if a subject tries to leave, physically preventing them from doing so is the norm if they have a hands-on policy.

Yup. Did a few LP shifts when I was running operations for a security company. The specific policy was you had to witness the actual theft and maintain visual at all times until the moment they cross the last point of sale. That way, you know they didn't put it back on a shelf somewhere and they can't say they intended to pay for it. At that point, you perform what's basically a citizen's arrest (acting as an agent of the shopkeeper) and are allowed to use reasonable force to prevent them from leaving. We cuffed them right after identifying ourselves as LP and held them in our office. The police have to be summoned immediately, i.e. you can't lecture them for an hour before calling the cops.

Post: #43

(03-21-2017 05:42 PM)Going strong Wrote:  cute, blond and slim like that

Everyone please pray for France.

Post: #44

At 1:38-1:39, I saw a flash of titty and had to slow the video down to make sure. Sadly, this was before I saw Delta's screencap of the chick. Oh man, yuck.

That impotent scream she lets out partway through is just music to my ears. She's realizing she's going straight to jail, and there's absolutely nothing she can do about it - this is one man that isn't going to just let her actions slide as soon as she makes a scene.

Post: #45

It's odd to me that lately forum members and even some high(er) rated members have been white knighting for these deranged cunts.

Can anyone explain this phenomenon?

I would sweep that bitches legs as soon as she threw a swing and sprawl with my center mass landing on top of her with all of my bodyweight and keep her pinned there gasping for air. Under no circumstances would I let her back on her feet to try and hit me again.

Mind you I think that's pretty reasonable considering a guy would get slammed to the ground forcefully and face first.

Be a gentleman my ass. This bitch should've gotten tasered.

Post: #46

My own sister was once caught stealing shit while being 18 already. They could not reach my parents and I had to pick her up from the cops. She was at least demure and not demented like this bitch.

By the way - my sis became later an ageing childless SJW-feminist fake-news journalist with 2 cats.

This one in addition used the usual assault-victimization that the young ones get taught. You must never punish women for anything.
"Officer - I hit my wife because she stabbed me in the gut with a knife!"
"It does not matter why you hit her, you are a wife-beater now."


The bitch: "You know he assaulted me, don't you?"
Indeed - bitches have to be able to run free and wild doing whatever the fuck they want to do.

Post: #47

(03-21-2017 06:39 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 06:35 PM)Delta Wrote:  I think you're misinterpreting the issue Dusty had with your original post.

Perhaps this will clarify:

I thought I was the only one thinking:"What the fuck is Going Strong talking about?!? There are no cute women in this video." I was about to post a screen cap of her too, heh.

Going Strong isn't going to see this picture though, he's probably half-way to the county-jail to bail her out haha.

Ok, my mistake, I saw the video on a very small screen, and on the small screen, the woman looked kind of cute. Now I see my horrendous mistake.

WNB.

Plus, I hereby solemnly promise to buy a computer with a big screen, and if needed, prescription fuckin glasses!

Post: #48

This is what happens when women get caught stealing in Venezuela. I like this approach much better.

Post: #49

Thanks for the good posts. I think I realized that I worked at a chain that had a hands off LP policy. Even managers could not detain someone walking out with 1000 or more in printers.

Compare that to Best Buy, they are almost militant about their LP.

Post: #50

Large companies understand the potential liability (being sued) outweighs the cost of most of the potential theft, especially a candy bar. Of course, loss prevention departments in large businesses will try to mitigate and deter as best as possible... likewise a mom & pop shop or small business has more to lose.

I agree we shouldn't allow shoplifting and law and order is broken. Unfortunately, today we live in a society where minimizing costs and exposure means avoiding lawsuits altogether and providing as many deterrents as possible (i.e. security tags, validating receipts, sensor detectors). I also wouldn't be surprised if this guy lost his job.