I've began reading Mein Kampf, mostly because I believe that it is your duty to read 'banned books', not because I have any nazi leanings.

I must say, my conclusion after a third of the book is that I am underwhelmed both of the literary quality and the content.

I really do not see the big deal about it.

Contrary to what some seem to think, Hitler in 1930 seems rather pedestrian and not like a rabid hatemonger - compared to the mainstream sentiments of his time. On the other hand, claims of his political genius are also vastly overrated in my opinion.

Some things I did find interesting was the first part of the book detailing young Hitler's life in Vienna, which had some very interesting insights into the history of the Hapsburg empire and Hitler's first encounter with the big city and everything that came about. Hitler strikes me as a naive dreamer, I would say mostly a white knight.

Also, how Hitler viewed the alliance with Austria-Hapsburg pre WW1 as a grave mistake, which did indeed eventually end up dragging Germany into a world war, which they in fact had little to do with.

The description of the feeling of betrayal by german marxists during WW1 is also interesting. These things are often left out when motifs are analysed in mainstream history.

Among other interesting takeaways are that Hitler focuses a lot on the need to eliminate prostitution. I think I will use that the next time I argue with a feminist on the topic.

I am not sure if I will finish the book. I do not find it to be particularly interesting, controversial (according to its time) or profound.

There are some passages about politics which show great understanding and cunning by Hitler and I think his analysis of german history is quite good, but overall the book underwhelms. If you are looking for either mad evil genius or the devil incarnate, then you will be dissapointed.

I heard that 'Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944: His Private Conversations' is a better book for understanding Hitler's thinking and ideas.

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Table-Talk...1929631057

Here is the description from wikipedia:

Quote:Hitler's Table Talk (German: Tischgespräche) is the title given to a series of World War II conversations and monologues delivered by Adolf Hitler, which were transcribed from 1941 to 1944. Hitler's remarks were recorded by Heinrich Heim, Henry Picker, and Martin Bormann, and later published by different editors, under different titles, in three different languages.

Martin Bormann, who was serving as Hitler's private secretary, persuaded Hitler to allow a team of specially picked officers to record in shorthand his private conversations for posterity. The first notes were taken by the lawyer Heinrich Heim, starting from 5 July 1941 to mid March 1942.

Taking his place, Henry Picker took notes from 21 March 1942 until 2 August 1942, after which Heinrich Heim and Martin Bormann continued appending material off and on until 1944.

The talks were recorded at the Führerhauptquartier (Führer Headquarters) in the company of Hitler's inner circle. The talks not only dwell on war and foreign affairs, but also Hitler's characteristic attitudes on religion, culture, philosophy, personal aspirations, and his feelings towards his enemies and friends.

I haven't gotten round to reading it yet. But I will. Also - Hitler wrote an sequel to 'Mein Kampf' which was published after his death.

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Second-Boo...1929631618

Quote:In 1958, while directing the microfilming and organization of a trove of archives that the U.S. forces had taken from the Nazis at the end of WWII, historian Weinberg (A World at Arms) discovered the manuscript of a second book that Hitler had written but never published. The manuscript was published in German in 1961, accompanied by Weinberg's annotations, but this is the first authoritative English version (a pirated and poor translation appeared in the 1960s).

The text bears all of Hitler's hallmarks: rambling thoughts, half-baked ideas, pedantic writing-along with a terrifying, sustained belief in war and violence as the means to ensure that Germans would flourish.

Compared to Mein Kampf, there are fewer pages devoted to Jews. Nonetheless, what comes across most strongly is Hitler's abiding commitment to the principle of race and his identification of Jews as the enemy that threatened to undo all that Germans had created.

Hitler dwells at length on foreign policy, and outlines a strategy of alliance with Fascist Italy and Great Britain. (He actually believed that Britain would accept a German-dominated European continent so long as Germany did not challenge the overseas British empire.)

He also foresees an inevitable clash with the United States. This provides solid historical background on Hitler's thinking in the late 1920s, when his party was nothing more than a tiny, radical sect.

The interesting thing that people miss about 'Mein Kampf' is the part where he praised the eugenics movement, which at the time was popular in the United States.

Quote:During the '20s, Carnegie Institution eugenic scientists cultivated deep personal and professional relationships with Germany's fascist eugenicists. In Mein Kampf, published in 1924, Hitler quoted American eugenic ideology and openly displayed a thorough knowledge of American eugenics. "There is today one state," wrote Hitler, "in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception [of immigration] are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States."

Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."

Hitler even wrote a fan letter to American eugenic leader Madison Grant calling his race-based eugenics book, The Passing of the Great Race his "bible."

(03-09-2014 11:09 AM)berserk Wrote:  Hitler strikes me as a naive dreamer, I would say mostly a white knight.

Here's an excerpt from one of Hitler's speeches. In it, Hitler rants on the role of women, on how he opposes women in the military, in government, or in any work other than serving as baby-factories:

Five of Hitler's girlfriends attempted suicide. And four of them died because of their suicide attempts.

Dude had bad game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_o...with_women

Which is the best translation to read?

(03-09-2014 10:03 PM)Blunt Wrote:  Which is the best translation to read?

I can't say. I have one translated back when it was written before WW2. I suggest you find such a copy, they are all over the internet.

I got the Official Nazi Translation.

I guess i thought it wouldn't have been cleaned up before being printed or something like that.
Its translated so poorly. I would rather read it in German.
Don't get that one.

It bored the shit out of me. Too much political talk and not enough nazi stuff. I read three quarters of it before giving up.

Yeah, I read Mien Kampf not too long ago as well. To me it seemed like a rambling mish mash of Nietzsche and Clausewitzian ideas as understood and rewritten by a first year university student going to State.

I wonder if his speeches are even that stirring - Adolf's speeches are certainly one of the things he's most famous for, and a lot of the power is lost in the translation and subtitles.

Then again, a lot of the great speeches we have on audio sound a little underwhelming. Like Churchill's famous We Will Never Surrender spiel which sounds like a drunken old man rambling from his bar stool at a pub's closing time.





Maybe you just had to be there/live in the time to get the full effect.

The speeches we have of Churchill were re-recorded for the BBC after they had been broadcast live.

Back then - they didn't the ability to record them live - so instead they had to be recorded in a special studio.

Also - Churchill was drunk most of the time so instead an actor who could personate Churchill was driven in to record the speeches instead.

So - considering the speeches we hear today were not live and were often not recorded by Churchill - it might explain why they don't have the same effect - lol

As for Hitler. He could actually be funny. His comic timing here is brilliant:





And on top of that - I don't think anyone could deny Hitler was a brilliant speaker. His oratory skills were the reason he rose to power in the first place. Plus he used to speak for hours off the top of his head in the Munich beer halls. So - I am sure he had some genuine talent in this area.

Still - evil man - 2/10 - WNB (WOULD NOT BRAVO).

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2000/oc...heobserver

Quote:PROOF THAT some of Winston Churchill's most famous radio speeches of the war were delivered by a stand-in has emerged with the discovery of a 78rpm record.

The revelation ends years of controversy over claims - repeatedly denied - that an actor had been officially asked to impersonate the Prime Minister on air.

The record makes it clear for the first time that Norman Shelley's voice was used to broadcast some of the most important words in modern British history - including 'We shall fight them on the beaches'. It is marked 'BBC, Churchill: Speech. Artist Norman Shelley' and stamped 'September 7, 1942'.

Bumping this thread. Was Hitler a hero or villain? To white nationalists he was the messiah and the saviour of western civilisation.

(03-09-2017 05:48 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  Bumping this thread. Was Hitler a hero or villain? To white nationalists he was the messiah and the saviour of western civilisation.

I've read his "Table Talk" (as much of it as I could stomach). Hitler had a brilliant mind in some ways, but the downside was that he was insane and evil.

He wanted to enslave the Russian people, and make Moscow into a lake. He thought it was a good idea to fight the fellow white nations of Britain and the United States as well as Russia. He was not a white nationalist, he was a maniacal German nationalist. And he destroyed Germany. Pretty bad credentials for a saviour figure for white European civilisation.

(03-09-2017 05:48 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  Bumping this thread. Was Hitler a hero or villain? To white nationalists he was the messiah and the saviour of western civilisation.

This sounds like something an ADL representative would say to completely discredit "white nationalism".

Since the thread started, we've been given a gift on YouTube by a man named Dennis Wise: "Adolph Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told." It's an amazingly well done documentary that shows craploads of photos, video, interviews, etc portraying Hitler in a more sympathetic light than most of us have been exposed to. I went in thinking of Hitler as a monster and came out angry AF at how many lies I'd believed for decades.

In all seriousness, I don't believe any man should be allowed to say anything more about Hitler until he's viewed this documentary in its entirety.

It's hard to get over the fact that this guy was the most hated loser (in the literal sense) of the 20th century. For that reason alone I don't have any interest in his ideas. His ideology had wicked results and his leadership severely blackened the reputation of a German population that was still facing shame and economic pain after WW1.

So we've been told all our lives....

Heartiste says Hitler was beta.

Thread Necromancy

This should end well....

Gamma hatred over the ''Jewish'' girl he couldn't score with

No wonder ADL/FBI trolls and Radical kebaps are the biggest supporters of national socialism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFSfEw6gYsU

I think this would be a great title for Rooshs new game book, as it will be his last and details all his knowledge on women.

Also controversial enough to gain some free press.

When you start to realize that he was allegedly printing his own money... and stayed away from the FED to rebuild the wealth of Germany backed against Gold... and that's when shit start getting really really sticky with the whole official story. Haven't studied on that so my facts ain't there... but not believing THIS ONE is Hardcore to the Bone

^Now you're cooking with gas.

Nice "Wirtschaftswunder" (economic miracle) you got going there. Would be a shame if something...happened to it.



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(03-09-2017 12:16 PM)Hoser Wrote:  Since the thread started, we've been given a gift on YouTube by a man named Dennis Wise: "Adolph Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told." It's an amazingly well done documentary that shows craploads of photos, video, interviews, etc portraying Hitler in a more sympathetic light than most of us have been exposed to. I went in thinking of Hitler as a monster and came out angry AF at how many lies I'd believed for decades.

In all seriousness, I don't believe any man should be allowed to say anything more about Hitler until he's viewed this documentary in its entirety.

This may be a good idea... Check out the guy's twitter feed too @TGSNTtv

Perhaps of even more interest to RVF and ROK readers is his more recent documentary "NWO: Communism Through the Back Door". It's ridiculously watchable and segmented into short, selectable parts detailing every subject that's of interest to RP men today (except chasing pussy, which not all RP men are into)

The world would be a different place today had Hitler not invaded Russia in the winter.

For any of you future EU dictators, don't invade Russia in the winter.