A YT dude who primarily dates black women once opined that he avoids race/shit tests by just expressing how he couldn't imagine having to deal with such BS and keep the convo moving. He mentioned how he complimented them on how well they seem to take care of their skin, which opened the door for keno.
I would advise just letting them get lost in talking about themselves, their achievements and how it makes them feel etc. (well I do that with any kind of chics) and let them subconsciously associate those good feelings with you.
I have no problem advising non-black cats on dating black women. If they go that route, thinking the contents are different because the packaging is different then they deserve to get smashed and dashed on just like any other chic.

(03-04-2017 09:23 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  ^^^Referring to Ethipoian/Eritrean girls. I dont have that much experience with them, but so far it feels that non-American black girls (and people in general) ask you your Nationality within the first five minutes of conversation.

"No, where are you REALLY from?"

@WalkingMan,

Man, if I got a dollar for every time I have been asked that while outside North America. I get asked about my roots so often that I have started to think that I am a fucking tree, it's as if people don't know that black people have been in the US longer than most whites (we actually outnumbered white people at one point in the 17th century), but I digress...

Like you I have some Haitian lineage as well but I was born and raised in America, and besides my love for Haitian food, I don't really have a connection with Haiti. The same goes for my other Caribbean roots. The American identity can really be all-consuming but it seems to be a point of interest for people outside of North America, especially other black people.

(03-04-2017 10:43 AM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 05:17 AM)Fury Wrote:  In regards to the other topic of IT/big data/cloud-based services/Internet-of-Things, etc does anyone have any expertise in this field or currently working in it? As part of my final semester at uni I am part of a consultant group that is advising a global supply chain management company on how to modernize their business through data/tech innovations. During my research I have realized that big data/IT is the way of the future, not only for individuals but also for Multinational enterprises. I don't have much tech expertise but I would be interested in gaining any knowledge or certifications that might help me to profit from this upcoming paradigm shift.

I do. Let me know what questions you have.

@Joga
If you don't mind disclosing it here, what is your area of expertise?

What's been the most prevalent trend that you have already noticed, or most predicted for the nearby future?

Also, I would like to gain some certification/education on IT/big data, something I can leverage for a paycheck. Any suggestions for which path I should choose? The MBA I want to pursue has a minor focus in technology and innovation management, so I would like to complement that with tech certifications.

(03-04-2017 10:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 01:08 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 08:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Stacksgman - I think you need to read more of this thread.

Your eagerness is very apparent, the ladies are sensing it and treating you accordingly.

Not sure why you would bring up the subject of race, I certainly don't when out with a white girl.

It will probably take me a while to read this whole thread, but I will do so because I'm sure it will go a long way. When I first learned about game all I did was read and not approach. For a while now I have just been approaching and going on dates without breaking down what's going on in detail.

I totally agree about the eagerness, but I should mention that those three examples were pretty old. In the past half a year or so I've really tried to just play it cool and not eager/aggressive. Despite that I'm still running into what I see as the same problem. I went out last Friday with a girl that we can classify as African-American (I don't want to break down the details of her background). I wasn't eager for sex at all, and we were together for over 4.5 hours on our first date. At first she seemed a little nervous, but by the end she was laughing at every single joke I would make even when they weren't funny. We talked about catching the movie Get Out. She was down. Then slowly through the course of the week she started responding less and less until yesterday when she said she will just wait until she can rent the movie, and it just came out....

I know I am consistently doing something wrong on these dates, but I'm experimenting with different styles and nothing seems to work. For some reason I have only ever had sex with women either when I first meet them, after the first date, or at the latest the second time is just straight to sex no date. Not that I've wanted to, but I've never been able to go up to or past three dates.

Also, about bringing up race, it is never me. The only way I bring up race is to say I'm physically attracted to black women. After I get them on a date they are the ones that bring up race, and it's usually one of a few things that I've heard over and over:

1. Black women are viewed as sex objects by men (of races other than Black).
2. It is hard to get ahead in the corporate world as a Black woman.
3. Black men are this or that

I don't know how to deal with the situation other than to go along with the discussion, but again, it isn't me that brings it up.

(03-02-2017 10:27 PM)Moma Wrote:  StackGsMan, you and I are similar because although I am not Arab, I am foreign and African American lizards hear my voice and think coconut or something else. This being said, our strategies and experiences will be somewhat similar.

Ignore the fraff that the black American lizard says to you. The rape stuff, I have heard it before from one..she kept hinting that she hopes I won't try anything, I ignored it and kept re-iterating that I have British films to watch. Back at mine, I sucked heavily on her big tits and got sloppy toppy. You can probe and find out what she likes or something. Maybe pretend that you can role play with her and promise to dress her in the sheik robes. I know it sounds stereotypical but often this is what intrigues the lizards.

For example, when one of my lizards found out I was African, she was so thrilled by this, she told all her friends etc. I put on one of my traditional outfits one day and ordered her around and then ramrodded her from the back, shouting at her with my African accent. I told her I would share her amongst my younger male villagers and this aroused her immensely.
It's touch and go because sometimes the black lizards can take offense to the most odd things. Laugh a lot, I don't know if you are witty but if you keep running jokes and don't take her blatherings seriously, that's the best light you can approach your situation in.

Keep us posted, we share ships, podna!

Awesome insight, thanks! I'll try out what you said, I'll play around with the whole being Middle Eastern thing more. The only thing I will say is that being Middle Eastern (and going after women that are not) is really shit, at least at the moment. I know every race has their own troubles ad stereotypes to fight, Black guys have plenty as has been discussed in this thread, Asian guys are almost universally not appealing to women, etc.

But when I meet up with a lot of women, especially those that haven't made an effort to learn about other cultures, there is always an undercurrent of negativity towards Middle Eastern guys.

- We beat women
- We try to control women
- We are selfish lovers
- On and on

As a Black guy at least you have the whole being a sexual object thing going if you just want to get laid like I do ("I want to be with a Black guy at least once"). Even as an Asian guy girls might think well at least he is smart and family oriented.

I'm not bringing this up merely to complain because I'm a grown man and life isn't fair, but what I'm trying to get at is I don't think as a Middle Easterner there are any positive stereotypes that I can use in the romantic market. I would avoid all talk of my race, but I'm too proud and unwilling to hide who I am.

The good thing is that you are able to get dates.

As you stated something is going wrong on the dates.

What do you think these girls want from you? Have you asked them.

The part about sex objects, corporate world and how black men treat them sounds like a shit test.

Maybe you need to read a few of Roosh's books about going on date, I believe BANG and Day BANG cover that.

You got to love this, black guys giving non black guys advice on how to date black girls.

I have a copy of Bang, I'll treat this thread and that book like my reading assignment for a while.

I have no idea what they want from me. I will make it a point to ask from now on.

I had a LTR starting when I was 17 with a mixed girl (not Black and White) who was bisexual. I never forgot what she said about the difference between White and Black women, although I'm not saying it was true. She said it's easy to get a Black girl's attention, but hard to keep it, and it's hard to get a White girl's attention, but once you got it she's yours. I just remembered that a little while ago, and it has been exactly what is happening to me. Again, not saying it's true.

About Black guys giving advice, I've found that Black guys tend to be the least jealous race when it comes to helping out about getting girls. The first PUA/manosphere guy, or whatever you want to call it, that I met years ago was a half Black guy, and he was the most influential person on my game early on.

Middle Eastern people hate to see each other get ahead, otherwise we'd have a thread and I'd be asking there.

(03-04-2017 10:45 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  A YT dude who primarily dates black women once opined that he avoids race/shit tests by just expressing how he couldn't imagine having to deal with such BS and keep the convo moving. He mentioned how he complimented them on how well they seem to take care of their skin, which opened the door for keno.
I would advise just letting them get lost in talking about themselves, their achievements and how it makes them feel etc. (well I do that with any kind of chics) and let them subconsciously associate those good feelings with you.
I have no problem advising non-black cats on dating black women. If they go that route, thinking the contents are different because the packaging is different then they deserve to get smashed and dashed on just like any other chic.

Will try out both of those things. Sounds better than what I've been doing, although I think I used something similar to the taking care of their skin line years ago and it went over well.

(02-27-2017 04:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  What's the job situation like in SA? Can folks rise into the middle and upper class?

I almost feel like money is like electricity, you need to get it to flow

WIA

Unemployment is quite high in South Africa (official rate is around 27%) but people can absolutely rise to middle and upper middle class. Joburg pays more and there's a lot of new money there. Getting to be upper class is tougher unless you have government contacts or come from a rich family.

A lot of emphasis is put on university or college so that's what most people do after school. South African's are in high demand overseas because we are hardworking so if you studied engineering, actuarial science, accounting or programming you are usually set.

Can't wait for the book to come out.

(01-23-2017 07:30 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  I'm naive.

Why is it bad if a woman makes a point that you don't fit stereotypes of black poverty, unwillingness to work, etc.?

It would mean this woman thinks the majority of blacks must fit that stereotype.

Case in point if this woman was like "Really you dont have a criminal record?!?!?" How could one not take offense to that?

(01-23-2017 09:17 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:19 PM)Moma Wrote:  All lizards these days have 'boyfriends'. They are often in the market for someone better.

I don't seem to run into the boyfriend objection from girls too often.

The most ive run into was that she had a Friends with Benefits setup with a guy and she didn't want to sleep with two guys at once.

I ended up stealing her from him.

Most women I run into that say they have a boyfriend are just talking about bedwarmers. Ask them if they see themselves marrying this guy then see what they say.

The reactions have been priceless!!!

Question for the black guys:

What are your thoughts on the white SJW/"white privilege"/Feminist girls? They are definitely more open minded towards black men. It's easier to bang them, but something seems off when I interact with them. And I don't mean politically (I don't care for politics). Maybe its just me, but these anti-racist girls give off a vibe that they are trying to save black people. I'm not a normal person to them. They seem to look at black people as little kids who lack agency and need White Liberals to save them. While they aren't racist, I feel like they will never look at me the same way they would a normal white guy despite my achievements, the way I speak, etc. Usually I just roll my eyes internally when a girl goes on a rant against White privilege. I don't engage in it. Like the other posters say, I never bring up race.

(03-05-2017 02:29 PM)Iso Wrote:  What are your thoughts on the white SJW/"white privilege"/Feminist girls?

If she's young and pretty, it's a phase.

Also, they're not easier to bang than standard white chicks, ghetto white chicks or KKK white chicks.

By virtue of them being white, they often stay isolated in very homogeneous settings. Even when her gf's are "diverse" - they all work at the same place, went to the same schools, and her GF's of color probably know that Down with the Patriarchy Patty has overstepped her bounds before.



SJW girl is not worse or any better than any other type of girl.

If you want to flip her wig

Archie - "I'm not a feminist, I just think women should vote, get paid the same for the same work, not have to worry about being called sluts, or getting raped... et cetera"

Her - confused - "Wait, that's what feminism is?"

Archie - "Are you sure?"



WIA

^Archie, would you put up with a SJW's rants if you're trying to plate one?

Last notch of mine who I tried to plate just went on and on about feminism, dudes who have cheated on her, her being a "victim" of sexual assault (met some dude at a club, she was drunk and felt that impeded her ability to say no) - and I just had an internal meltdown and was rude to her the last I saw her, just because I really couldn't take it anymore haha.

Was I just being unreasonable?

(03-05-2017 12:57 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  It would mean this woman thinks the majority of blacks must fit that stereotype.

Case in point if this woman was like "Really you dont have a criminal record?!?!?" How could one not take offense to that?

Bro, they are going to think like that, why do you think it would be different? If you think otherwise, you lot are not having honest convos with lizards, you are just doing the surface chat. This stuff wasn't news to me from very early on, I learn to observe what people don't say and how they behave as opposed to falling for the obvious. Some lizards ask questions out of true curiousity and others don't ask questions because they already have their minds made up and what is in their mind is not necessarily favourable to how you wish to be perceived.

If she asks if you don't have a criminal record, you can say "No, I haven't been signed yet but I got a juvenile EP" and then proceed to spit some rhymes at her (doesn't matter if you know how to rap just freestyle some bullshyt like "Snowflake, I think you are great, I can't wait to place my face on your cakes" etc. Take it in stride and lightly..just flow..just like what Rudebwoy and Archie said.

Personal example: I went to an all white drinkup wearing traditional attire. One of the white lizards there (a young brunette of around 21 years in age) asked me where I was from. I said "London", she said "No where are you really from?" I said..I am really from London..where are you from? She said "Here, America" I said...equally I am from London..she said.."No" I said "I know because of my outfit you want me to say Umfoogigimba, Africa but I shall not unless you tell me where in Europe, you are really from"
I had a slight smile on my face and she apologised. I roared with laughter and moved a little closer to leer at her sexually.

You see the style?

(03-05-2017 04:00 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  ^Archie, would you put up with a SJW's rants if you're trying to plate one?

Last notch of mine who I tried to plate just went on and on about feminism, dudes who have cheated on her, her being a "victim" of sexual assault (met some dude at a club, she was drunk and felt that impeded her ability to say no) - and I just had an internal meltdown and was rude to her the last I saw her, just because I really couldn't take it anymore haha.

Was I just being unreasonable?

I know this question wasn't directed to me, but I think you did the right thing. A lot of guys have a beggars mentality and will put up with anything to text "+1" in the group iMessage. These hoes are always victims in their own world and as a man who has to actually work for attention and plan logistics you got tired of her lack of awareness about bedroom appropriate conversation. At a what point do you draw the line and push abundance to the forefront and tell these hoes to get lost is a question we all wrestle with.

^^Not to mention, with those types of chicks, catching a case isn't completely out of the question.

^^Comforting to hear.

And by catch a case you mean...STD? Legal shit? Some of the vernacular is still lost on me.

(03-05-2017 04:20 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I have a copy of Bang, I'll treat this thread and that book like my reading assignment for a while.

I have no idea what they want from me. I will make it a point to ask from now on.

I had a LTR starting when I was 17 with a mixed girl (not Black and White) who was bisexual. I never forgot what she said about the difference between White and Black women, although I'm not saying it was true. She said it's easy to get a Black girl's attention, but hard to keep it, and it's hard to get a White girl's attention, but once you got it she's yours. I just remembered that a little while ago, and it has been exactly what is happening to me. Again, not saying it's true.

About Black guys giving advice, I've found that Black guys tend to be the least jealous race when it comes to helping out about getting girls. The first PUA/manosphere guy, or whatever you want to call it, that I met years ago was a half Black guy, and he was the most influential person on my game early on.

Middle Eastern people hate to see each other get ahead, otherwise we'd have a thread and I'd be asking there.

I like what you wrote and I can see your not a troll.

So a few thoughts that crossed my mind.

I think you should have helped that girl with her homework. I don't mean writing some 100 page essay on the civil war, but spending time with her and showing her a few things would not have made you a chump.

You are an "outsider", I doubt it these girls have dated a middle eastern guy before. So you would need to build comfort. I know middle eastern guys have it tough these days, but nothing is impossible.

If you are from Iraq/Iran/Libya/Syria please don't tell them you are from there, they may think your ISIS or a terrorist. Just tell them you are from Egypt or Morocco and you grew up around black people.

Always keep the dates short, spending 4.5 hours with a chick is crazy. Even if you had sex with her you would have spent less time.

Take these girls to different places, that are inexpensive. I recently took a girl (30 year old) out for sushi, she had never had it before and was nervous about eating raw fish.

Ignore most of the stuff that comes out of their mouths, which I believe Moma stated already.

Also Archie has given you a great blueprint on how a good date should flow.

I am curious if these girls are hood chicks or middle class girls?

@Mace Tyrell - why would you try to plate a feminist?

@Iso - I mentioned that feminist (SJW) I banged, as an example of a very annoying chick who I simply ignored and still got the bang. Maybe I am old and cynical, I don't believe any of those chicks are anti-racist.

Feminists don't see themselves as having privilege, they view themselves as victims of the system. I think their "struggle" has been used as away to deflect the spotlight away from the struggles of black people. This is heading into politics, a topic we steer clear off.

Weekly Nightgame report:

I managed to get a ONS last night again from nightgame. Skinny Blonde, 31 years old, Nurse and decent body but id say 6.5. I'd say 10 years ago she was probably 8 but age seems to be catching up to her. Totally sexual person and wants it everyday.

I would like to take game credit for this one but i CANT and this is why LOOKS and HAVING STATUS in the club matter:

Backstory:

I had been trying on and off throughout the night to game this higher level lizard in the club. She wasn't blowing me out and wasn't letting me get anywhere with her either. Was a little annoying but kinda just went with the flow and continued talking to other girls as well. By 4:30am she had weaseled her way into a a rich dudes table that was running heavy bottle service game (his bill was 700€). I walked by the table and saw her dancing and threw her a head nod. She looked happy to see me and invited me to the table. The owner of the table sees this and invites me to come have a glass of Moet with him. He pours me a huge glass and then just goes right back to fooling around with a girl that he had next to him.

So I am just there next to this girl dancing (non sexual) when this blonde standing by the bar locks eyes with me from across the club. She comes over and asks me in German if that is my girlfriend? I threw the table girl underneath the bus immediately and said no not at all. The table girl sees this and goes "don't talk to her shes ugly". The blonde girl then asks if I want to dance with her? I grab my glass of champagne, leave the table and head to the bar with her. It turns out her friend already has a guy shes making out with and its obvious she's gonna fuck him tonight.

We vibe for a little bit and then the club starts closing down and bottle girl is not happy about what just happened. I went to say bye to the staff there and during this time bottle girl goes over and tries talking to the blonde for a little bit. I hear a small exchange and the bottle girl straight sneak dissed the blonde and walks off! LOL. The blonde ignores all of this and comes to me and asks to go to afterhours for a bit (its now 5:30am).

So me, the blonde and her friend with the guy all walk about 5 minutes to the afterhours spot and I have already got logistics out the way. She's got a long ride home and I live a 10 minute walk from the afterhours club. When we get to the afterhours club it turns out her friend and the guy have no cash left for entry. Luckily, I rolled with a full wallet so I had the bread. The friend says shes going to the bank and will meet her in the club afterwards. We go inside and of course the friend never comes back.

In the afterhours spot I just run standard game we are just vibing. Ended up making out with her there and of course at this point its easy. After awhile she says we should go to my spot to get some sleep. We walk 10 minutes to my spot and within 5 minutes of getting there clothes are coming off. No more chit chat. I smashed her for like two hours and then she says she had to go because she has to walk the dog (shes a avid dog lover). Clothes on.. shes at my door about leave and we start making out again and she comes back inside for round 2.

Done deal.

(03-05-2017 04:00 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  ^Archie, would you put up with a SJW's rants if you're trying to plate one?

Last notch of mine who I tried to plate just went on and on about feminism, dudes who have cheated on her, her being a "victim" of sexual assault (met some dude at a club, she was drunk and felt that impeded her ability to say no) - and I just had an internal meltdown and was rude to her the last I saw her, just because I really couldn't take it anymore haha.

Was I just being unreasonable?

I don't believe in the concept of SJW, so you're asking the wrong person.

WIA

LOL with your "no game" game.

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Weekly Nightgame report:

I walked by the table and saw her dancing and threw her a head nod.
She looked happy to see me and invited me to the table.
The owner of the table sees this and invites me to come have a glass of Moet with him.
He pours me a huge glass and then just goes right back to fooling around with a girl that he had next to him.

Direct Approach
Approach Invitation
Rich guy has social intelligence
KD has social intelligence

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  So I am just there next to this girl dancing (non sexual) when this blonde standing by the bar locks eyes with me from across the club. She comes over and asks me in German if that is my girlfriend?

PRE-SELECTION IN FULL EFFECT

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I threw the table girl underneath the bus immediately and said no not at all.

I think you dropped the ball here, you could have gotten something out of it.

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  The table girl sees this and goes "don't talk to her shes ugly". The blonde girl then asks if I want to dance with her? I grab my glass of champagne, leave the table and head to the bar with her. It turns out her friend already has a guy shes making out with and its obvious she's gonna fuck him tonight.

Non-Verbal Game after being opened by a chick because of pre-selection

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  We vibe for a little bit and then the club starts closing down and bottle girl is not happy about what just happened. I went to say bye to the staff there

Trust Build by seeing you interact well with 3rd parties.

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  and during this time bottle girl goes over and tries talking to the blonde for a little bit. I hear a small exchange and the bottle girl straight sneak dissed the blonde and walks off! LOL. The blonde ignores all of this and comes to me and asks to go to afterhours for a bit (its now 5:30am).

I'm assuming you planted the "afterhours" seed in her mind.

Man with a plan!

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  So me, the blonde and her friend with the guy all walk about 5 minutes to the afterhours spot and I have already got logistics out the way. She's got a long ride home and I live a 10 minute walk from the afterhours club. When we get to the afterhours club it turns out her friend and the guy have no cash left for entry. Luckily, I rolled with a full wallet so I had the bread. The friend says shes going to the bank and will meet her in the club afterwards. We go inside and of course the friend never comes back.

Handled the group
Split the difference
Got trust and isolation

(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  In the afterhours spot I just run standard game we are just vibing. Ended up making out with her there and of course at this point its easy. After awhile she says we should go to my spot to get some sleep. We walk 10 minutes to my spot and within 5 minutes of getting there clothes are coming off. No more chit chat. I smashed her for like two hours and then she says she had to go because she has to walk the dog (shes a avid dog lover). Clothes on.. shes at my door about leave and we start making out again and she comes back inside for round 2.

Done deal.

Deeper into trust and comfort.
Logistics handled.
Lizard handled.

Game over.

I'm trying to be like you when I grow KD!

WIA

^^^Amen. I get so tired of that term, SJW, being thrown around by people who struggle with dealing with people with dissimilar views from their own and have difficulties adapting.
Lol, like when progressive bish tells some backwards thinking cornball trump supporter to fuck off, they typecast her as a SJW.

I mean all the girls I deal with are left leaning and bring it up from time to time.

This last one was on some extra shit though. Like making me watch a video of Beyoncé and Nicki and saying that concert was "an important moment for feminism."

I also make fun of SJWs, being a liberal myself.

(03-05-2017 05:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 04:20 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I have a copy of Bang, I'll treat this thread and that book like my reading assignment for a while.

I have no idea what they want from me. I will make it a point to ask from now on.

I had a LTR starting when I was 17 with a mixed girl (not Black and White) who was bisexual. I never forgot what she said about the difference between White and Black women, although I'm not saying it was true. She said it's easy to get a Black girl's attention, but hard to keep it, and it's hard to get a White girl's attention, but once you got it she's yours. I just remembered that a little while ago, and it has been exactly what is happening to me. Again, not saying it's true.

About Black guys giving advice, I've found that Black guys tend to be the least jealous race when it comes to helping out about getting girls. The first PUA/manosphere guy, or whatever you want to call it, that I met years ago was a half Black guy, and he was the most influential person on my game early on.

Middle Eastern people hate to see each other get ahead, otherwise we'd have a thread and I'd be asking there.

I like what you wrote and I can see your not a troll.

So a few thoughts that crossed my mind.

I think you should have helped that girl with her homework. I don't mean writing some 100 page essay on the civil war, but spending time with her and showing her a few things would not have made you a chump.

You are an "outsider", I doubt it these girls have dated a middle eastern guy before. So you would need to build comfort. I know middle eastern guys have it tough these days, but nothing is impossible.

If you are from Iraq/Iran/Libya/Syria please don't tell them you are from there, they may think your ISIS or a terrorist. Just tell them you are from Egypt or Morocco and you grew up around black people.

Always keep the dates short, spending 4.5 hours with a chick is crazy. Even if you had sex with her you would have spent less time.

Take these girls to different places, that are inexpensive. I recently took a girl (30 year old) out for sushi, she had never had it before and was nervous about eating raw fish.

Ignore most of the stuff that comes out of their mouths, which I believe Moma stated already.

Also Archie has given you a great blueprint on how a good date should flow.

I am curious if these girls are hood chicks or middle class girls?

My parents are from one of those 4 countries you mentioned. It's a hard pill to swallow to hide my identity, but I'll try it out and see how it goes.

I'm not familiar with WIA writing about how a good date should go. Is it in this thread? If so I'll eventually get to it (it's going to take me a while to read this whole thing).

It's hard for me to label someone a hood chick or not. Most of these girls have a job, but not a great one. If you were to ask a middle class White person with relatively little exposure to Black people they would probably think the girls I've seen are all hood, but that's not saying much. Some have definitely been from the hood, but those typically tend to be the nicest and most comfortable ones with me. The further away they get from being hood usually the more complicated things get.

So i watched some random YouTube video where some chic was giving advice about how to humble attractive women by simply asking them to tell you something interesting about themselves. Sounded like sage advice and I've been consistently invoking it my interactions with chics ever since.
I swear, nothing has thrown some of these women off their game more by just asking them to articulate something else besides their physical attributes that makes them interesting. It's been absolute money and has been followed by, in some cases, extreme qualifying.
Something to think about.