This article from Paul Janka on quitting game was linked somewhere here on RVF. The article says nothing new but I enjoyed this quote:

Quote:I cut it off with a hot Brazilian a few weeks ago, when Emma and I made the decision to go exclusive. I was happy to do so because although the chemistry was strong, our expectations were entirely mismatched. Vanessa thought I was her white knight: a handsome, competent man with whom to build a life. In fact, I wanted nothing more than "one potato chip," as my friend Dominick says. If they like you, most girls will give you the whole bag; if they don't, they won't give you any. It's the rare chick who is happy doling out "one potato chip" here and there ...

Had a very relevant dream last night. A player premonition of sorts.

I dreamed I had this girl over my house that I was seeing a couple years ago (and it was my dad's house that I grew up because dreams are weird like that). We had dinner together and she fell asleep. After she fell asleep I had another girl over that I was banging last year and she went with me in my room and I kept getting up to check to make sure the other girl was still asleep. The next morning, while the girl in my room with me was sleeping, I went out to the living room to see the other girl and she was mad that I didn't wake her up to sleep with me. Anyway we had plans to go somewhere in the afternoon so she was going home to freshen up before we went out. When she left I took it as an opportunity to wake the girl up in my room and get her out of the house asap. She also wanted to hang out with me in the afternoon. Then when she got in her car to leave, another girl (I think it was my current main but cant remember) shows up.

the entire dream I was stressed out trying to hide these girls from eachother and I kept almost getting caught.

Weird.

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Anyway I'm leaving town for a work conference soon to a city I frequent a lot for work and my girls have all dried up there so I would have to start fresh. then out of the fucking blue this girl texts me on whatsapp last night saying "I'll never forget you"

I promptly tell her I'm going to be in town this week and she said she'd love to get together and said "my reasons for not seeing you last time were so stupid."

How bout that shit... this is why you never burn bridges fellas. Let things slide smoothly and amicably.

(03-02-2017 12:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  How bout that shit... this is why you never burn bridges fellas. Let things slide smoothly and amicably.

I kind of have a problem with this. I know there's a thin line between controlling douchebag and someone with too many options to care. Lately I have been avoiding burning bridges as an experiment and it actually works fairly well in terms of getting repeat interactions.

But how bad is it to let a girl know (either through actions or verbally) that if she fucks up she will be out the door for good? It's a hard frame to pull off and I think it will inevitably crack under it's own weight but for a short period in time you can completely control a girl's mind with it.

It's what I used to do when I was first getting into game and of course all of the relationships derived from that fame have long since crashed and burned hard never to be heard from again. Hence me not using it anymore.

What do you think about that Stalin?

2 weeks ago 2 dud dates, nexted immediately.

1 week ago 2 good first dates

this week 2nd dates with the 2 above:

Girl 1 of 2 came to my hood, bar hopped, got topless, mediocre body/skin, gonna fade away from her, not worth the squeeze.

Girl 2 of 2 came to my hood, bar hopped, got her topless, had the back and forth retort of "on my period" struggled with the fish for an hour, finally told her to suck my dick, tried getting her to fuck again, she ended up just swallowing load like a good girl should.

Girl 2 of 2 is super sweet, a nurse, is nice, she's got a good vibe, but unfortunately, she's lacking aesthetically, she'll just be a plate if we meet again and bang.

I'm paying for staying up late with being semi stuffy/sick - I'm feeling like shit the next morning. Gotta knock it off.


I rekindled a conversation I had with the MILF Trainer by "accident" on snap chat, got her number, she's busy this week, we'll hangout next week.

I also matched with this Korean girl I got topless on Bumble (we originally matched on CMB) ironically I played "who are you" game without even realizing we dated.

The SJW Chinese hipster I banged ghosted on me, no worries, I would of ghosted her, I just stopped texting her to be honest and she never replied.

Got a bunch of new leads of bumble and have a date planned tonight as well, I'm gonna roll sober and see if I can pull.


I find myself unmatching more and more girls online over the slightest shit and/or gathering online intel on them to find out they aren't as cute as I thought, I'm having less and less patience, I ain't wasting my time anymore.

(03-02-2017 02:31 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  How bout that shit... this is why you never burn bridges fellas. Let things slide smoothly and amicably.

I kind of have a problem with this. I know there's a thin line between controlling douchebag and someone with too many options to care. Lately I have been avoiding burning bridges as an experiment and it actually works fairly well in terms of getting repeat interactions.

But how bad is it to let a girl know (either through actions or verbally) that if she fucks up she will be out the door for good? It's a hard frame to pull off and I think it will inevitably crack under it's own weight but for a short period in time you can completely control a girl's mind with it.

It's what I used to do when I was first getting into game and of course all of the relationships derived from that fame have long since crashed and burned hard never to be heard from again. Hence me not using it anymore.

What do you think about that Stalin?

If a girl does wrong by you then you shouldnt feel obligated to keep the door open. I certainly don't. Above I was talking about when things either fade away or the girl catches feelings and "can't do this anymore" or maybe finds a guy she wants to be exclusive with whatever. Just be amicable, and casual. Let her go softly.

If she fucked you over or is a bitch to you then you should not be so accommodating. Drop her and never pick her back up in that case.

I had a question I wanted to ask you players over in America.

I've heard on the forum from time to time that black women have the most difficulty on the dating market. I was wondering why that was. Given the amount of thirst in the male population and the fact that black women are a minority and therefore a target for jungle fever fetishism I always figured they would be swimming in orbiters, particularly those wanting to virtue signal.

Have I misinterpreted the situation? Just a curiosity. I couldn't think of a better place to ask than this thread.

(03-03-2017 06:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I had a question I wanted to ask you players over in America.

I've heard on the forum from time to time that black women have the most difficulty on the dating market. I was wondering why that was. Given the amount of thirst in the male population and the fact that black women are a minority and therefore a target for jungle fever fetishism I always figured they would be swimming in orbiters, particularly those wanting to virtue signal.

Have I misinterpreted the situation? Just a curiosity. I couldn't think of a better place to ask than this thread.

Fair or not, I'd say they're considered lower value/ bottom of the barrel.

There are other issues too.

Most guys here would rather bang/date white girls or good looking Latinas.

(03-03-2017 06:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I had a question I wanted to ask you players over in America.

I've heard on the forum from time to time that black women have the most difficulty on the dating market. I was wondering why that was. Given the amount of thirst in the male population and the fact that black women are a minority and therefore a target for jungle fever fetishism I always figured they would be swimming in orbiters, particularly those wanting to virtue signal.

Have I misinterpreted the situation? Just a curiosity. I couldn't think of a better place to ask than this thread.

Shit Tests 24/7, TERRIBLE attitude, seem to hit the wall by mid 20's,(bad diet), 2+ kids by the age of 25 at least, etc.

I'd still bang a black girl, but she would have to be a solid 8.

(03-03-2017 06:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I had a question I wanted to ask you players over in America.

I've heard on the forum from time to time that black women have the most difficulty on the dating market. I was wondering why that was. Given the amount of thirst in the male population and the fact that black women are a minority and therefore a target for jungle fever fetishism I always figured they would be swimming in orbiters, particularly those wanting to virtue signal.

Have I misinterpreted the situation? Just a curiosity. I couldn't think of a better place to ask than this thread.

Rob & Graffix are correct.

I've never had a problem banging black girls, matter of fact, they LOVE brown Indian brothers like me.

I've even had some message me of all things.

You gotta have some A game and bat down shit tests - it's a bit of asshole game and funny game. Tease the fuck out of them, keep them laughing and they're chill.

Just like with latina hynas, you gotta bring that machismo.

I think most thirsty dudes online see a black woman as the standard "I'm a strong independent black woman who don't need no man" attitude.

(03-03-2017 06:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I had a question I wanted to ask you players over in America.

I've heard on the forum from time to time that black women have the most difficulty on the dating market. I was wondering why that was. Given the amount of thirst in the male population and the fact that black women are a minority and therefore a target for jungle fever fetishism I always figured they would be swimming in orbiters, particularly those wanting to virtue signal.

Have I misinterpreted the situation? Just a curiosity. I couldn't think of a better place to ask than this thread.

Rob's answer is most accurate (if you're white)

Sisters are hard to game for brothers, but not for white guys.

I'm 6'2 200 lbs and white and I've never had a difficult time with chocolate women. Easy to please and easy to bed from my personal experience.

Today is hinamatsuri so if you have Japanese girls in your phone text Happy Girls Day to all of them.

Its a great day to get laid.

Aloha!

This happened couple weeks ago. I was at the last college party which was at a club. Was approached by a 6 blonde (she was with a 4 friend) she asked me for a smoke. Started gaming from then on. Everything was going great. She was dtf. I just had no wing to take care of her friend as my "mates" were at the fucking dance floor. Things got worse when this chump came out of nowhere (who knew the girl) and basically cock blocked me. I said fuck it and went back inside to approach more girls. So I'm inside and walk around the club trying to spot a cutie to approach when I spot a girl that I've danced with at the last parties. She greets me with a kiss and we start talking. I take her out for a smoke (club was too noisy) Outside she gets really close to me almost kissing me. She was DTF definitely but I had to stop her. Because she already banged one of my mates and I'm not banging that anymore. She wanted to know the reason why I rejected her. "Please tell me why , for my ego" she said, with a sad look on her face. Couldn't take her seriously so went back inside. Where I met another girl I've approached at earlier parties who I also number closed but never really texted. Again take her outside as well. We talk and it's about 3 am in the morning by now. She asks me if I can give her a ride home. I think this is great, a new bang.
Drive her home in my shitty car and when we arrive at her place I try kclosing before she gets out. She stops me and tells me not today. Holly shit was I pissed. I thought, how fucking boring can a girl be. Does she really want me to chase her? She is another 6. What is she thinking? Anyway I should have escalated earlier in the club with her to really see if she was dtf or not.

This post got me thinking:

(03-04-2017 12:16 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 10:01 AM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  I've seen girls happily become girlfriends of guys they would never ever fuck in a club environment. Girls generally fuck up and date down. Guys fuck down and date up. If you bang her on the first date, in all likelihood you have more value than her. Which makes it easier to keep the bitch in check if you decide to date her long term.

Then how come I can fuck girls very easily (SNL from nightclub), but I can hardly ever keep them around for a second bang, let alone LTR?
Shouldn't I be the "up" person? Am I missing something? Am I doing something wrong?

Do you guys have a harder time getting a girl or keeping a girl?

For me it's definitely harder to get a girl than keep her. I'm the classic guy moms would love to have as an in-law - tall, decent looking, fit, smart, mature, got my shit together, can cook and fix things. Girls who see that are all over me.

The initial steps (and by that I mean first 5min) of gaming a girl are usually my biggest hurdle. If I can talk to them for 10 minutes, I'll probably bang. And if I do, they cling to me >90% of time.

Has this been discussed in depth in some thread? Maybe it would be worth creating one if it hasn't.

Quick self-affirming game story:

My buddy and I were talking to a girl the other night about how "nice guys" don't get laid. The girl took it to the extreme and was speaking in absolutes, saying that "being an asshole gets you nowhere" and that she "loves nice guys." Then, in ridiculous rule-proving argument-sabotaging fashion, she tries to defend her position by saying "the only asshole she ever fucked" was this married guy who kept coming to her work bothering her and trying to ask her out. According to her account she "spite-fucked" him because she hated him so much (lol).

She tried to say she fucked him because she was on her period and knew she would make a mess (in a hotel room that he doesn't have to clean up mind you). We tried telling her that her story 100% contradicts the point she was trying to defend and that all she did was prove that being a piece of shit gets you exactly what you want. No dice.

This was great bahahaha.

As a first for me I've banged 3 different girls in the last 24 hours. First one was a likely new plate, an acquaintance from the nearby coffee shop that texted me inviting me out for a beer after work. Second was the next day in the afternoon with an old plate that has recently resurfaced, I'm keeping her way back burner. Third was my main plate last night. I have to admit I'm tired, looking forward to chilling solo tonight. But first I gotta roam the parks with my buddy's puppy who I'm dog sitting for, figure that'll be a great way to get some numbers.

Went to the swingers club I mentioned last night with a chick. It was an interesting experience.

First floor was kind of like a lounge. They had a bar, dancefloor with a dj, and various tables sorrounding the dance area. Second floor they had rooms where you could fuck. Some where single beds per room, others were up to 4 beds per room. So you might have a couple per bed fucking, but it wasn't really like an orgy. I was told this night was kind of dead, probably because it was cold as shit out so alot of people stayed in. It wasn't as bad as I feared. Most people were mid 20s to late 40s, bell curve centered at about 30sh Id estimate. Mixed crowd which was good, but not alot of single women that I would rate over a 6, but there where a few I'd rate 8-8.5. Me and the girl I came with ended up fucking about 4 times out in the open. A few couples wanted to join us but we declined, were looking for a sine female instead but didn't see the type we wanted. Was still fun, alot of the other people were having real vanilla sex that looked boring as shit, so I turned it up a notch and was choking her, smackin her ass hard as shit, slapped her face a few times, and just completely dominating her. We had alot of watchers, and she got real turned on by that. I'll admit it was kind of fun in a twisted perverted way. If I go again it won't be with the expectation that we will pick another girl up, because even though many are open to it there might not be one that meets my standards. Overall wouls recommend as a fun way to turn the kink up for a non-ltr girl.

Also because a few guys have asked, based on my single experience, I would not recommend for a single guy to go by himself if he doesn't already know some of the women who will b there. Better looking women in regular clubs.

^why for non-LTR?

Few reasons.

First, you and your girl WILL be propositioned sex with another couple. And not all these guys are beta cucks, some are seemingly cool ass people who just brought a fuck buddy with them as a "couple". Sure your girl may say no to another guy, but I wouldn't want that thought lingering in her head, especially when it happens repeatedly.

Second, if you are gradually turning up the kink with your LTR, where can you really take it from there? She will see other girls literally inches away from her getting fucked by strangers and having a great time. Not sure if you want your LTR exposed to that. Especially when you interact with alot of the people, and realize that most are actually pretty chill, and perhaps not the weirdos she imagined them to be.

Piggybacking off that, alot of people at this place where in the poly lifestyle. And again, they seemed way more normal than I would have imagined, and these were decent looking people. It could get your girl curious about what she is missing from a monogomous relationship, unless if you are already bringing other girls around for her to play with.

I personally wouldn't want a LTR possibly influenced by all this. If you are curious, perhaps bring a fuck buddy to one first to check it out yourself, before bringing a LTR.

Good info and perspective Repo. Thanks!

So last week I get a friend request from a chick who is a mutual friend of a buddy of mine. I accept because she is cute. I meant to send her a random message last week but got too busy. But this morning before work I sent her some generic message. Anyway, we're about 10 messages in and she admits she thinks I'm sexy.

This is my cue so I start ramping up the sexual vibe. I tell her we should meet tomorrow for a drink and she agrees. I make a few jokes about not killing her, since it will be a public place and all. She then comments that she thinks I want to kill her with all my references. I tell her "haha, ok...fair enough. I'll stop". What is her response? "No. I think it's sexy".

I've never met this girl and have literally been talking to her for a few hours and she is already telling me it turns her on when I talk about killing her. Unreal.

I dunno, just sounds like basic banter, no?

I guess at this point I shouldn't be surprised about these females and their total warped sense of 'romance'.

Being degraded, choked, slapped, tied up, spit on, and finally the fantasy of being murdered.

Don't forget rape fantasies.

This girl probably gets pretty kinky, enjoy it !