Post: #826

I'm going to Ukraine and some parts of Russia. Primarily online game since I don't have much time (4 weeks). Is it bad game to openly mention that I'm looking for a wife or is this a good way to filter out sluts? Also where do I find these 18-23 sweet wife material women outside of online? I will be flying place to place for dates with promising young women.

my Russian without google translate on my phone is practically non existent (we'll see how some of my arranged dates go, half of them speak understandable English). I plan to burn 6-10k on this trip (excluding plane ticket).

Post: #827

A lot of good stuff on this thread, guys.

So, initially, my plan was to move abroad for 6 to 12 months, date a girl, marry her, and start the process to bring her back to the U.S.

Now that I've lived abroad and come back to the states, my mind is changing gears, and I'm leaning more towards living abroad and dating beautiful women, with no expectation of marriage.

If a girl earns it, so be it, but I'm not particularly looking for it now. A part of it is that I've set myself up so that at the end of this year, barring any unforeseen expenses, I should be able to go abroad semi-permanently or permanently, depending on the cost of living in my destination.

That, and I'm genuinely happy abroad, so why not make my life a permanent vacation? There's no reason not to, and if I ever need to do a course correction, I can do it later. For now, I want to enjoy my youth, because it's priceless.

Living abroad as a fit, tall, 34 year old that looks 24 is very different than living abroad as a 54 year old.

I may end up doing both, but I'm just saying.

Since my mom and pop and my bro and sis are still in the U.S., I'm thinking it would be healthy to do a rotation, say, 4 to 6 months abroad, followed by a month or two in the U.S. to look after my assets and recharge my family's "spending quality time with Spaniard" batteries, then get on the plane again and repeat.

A side benefit of doing that is that any girl that I do date, when I'm gone for these periods, it can be a trial run for any other period I may have to be gone for for whatever reason.

But yeah, as neat as Amazon, high speed internet, and easily available quality meats are here in America, abroad = happiness to me.

Post: #828

(02-21-2017 02:27 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  I'm going to Ukraine and some parts of Russia. Primarily online game since I don't have much time (4 weeks). Is it bad game to openly mention that I'm looking for a wife or is this a good way to filter out sluts? Also where do I find these 18-23 sweet wife material women outside of online? I will be flying place to place for dates with promising young women.

my Russian without google translate on my phone is practically non existent (we'll see how some of my arranged dates go, half of them speak understandable English). I plan to burn 6-10k on this trip (excluding plane ticket).

I think you'll be doing exactly that, burning 6-10k (plus the plane ticket).

You have to live there for an extended period of time to really get to know a girl, and it's ideal if you learn her language.

Otherwise, you're rolling the dice, man.

Post: #829

I'm aware of that. It's expensive for me though.

I have a career job that pays 150k/year. So living overseas in Ukraine for 6 months would represent at least 75k in income lost plus expenses in Ukraine which would be roughly 11-15k more. A full year would be 150k loss before taxes. Im not sure if I want to bite that bullet...Yet. 6-10k loss is not as bad compared to 90k+ loss, it represents a loss of roughly 6 weeks of work.

Depending on how this trip goes I will consider whether I invest more time. Obviously I'd rather spend more time acquiring a mate.

Post: #830

^Dude, I spent about AUD $200 in 10 days in Kiev (outside of accommodation costs) which covered food, transport, a few nights out etc. If you're not actively balling, I'd say it's one of the cheapest cities in Europe? I suppose your assessment of 11-15k in 6 months may still be true - depending on where you wanna live, what lifestyle you envisage. All the best mate, love to hear how you go.

Btw, how is that visa process looking for Aussie citizens for an extended stay? Have you looked into it? I have a British passport which grants me 90 days no questions asked, but using my Aussie is a different story I know.

Post: #831

(02-21-2017 05:42 AM)Dirkus Wrote:  ^Dude, I spent about AUD $200 in 10 days in Kiev (outside of accommodation costs) which covered food, transport, a few nights out etc. If you're not actively balling, I'd say it's one of the cheapest cities in Europe? I suppose your assessment of 11-15k in 6 months may still be true - depending on where you wanna live, what lifestyle you envisage. All the best mate, love to hear how you go.

Btw, how is that visa process looking for Aussie citizens for an extended stay? Have you looked into it? I have a British passport which grants me 90 days no questions asked, but using my Aussie is a different story I know.

You are right, Ukraine is inexpensive. I doubt I'll be able to blow 6-10k AUD in 4 weeks but I will be flying a lot for dates and I'll probably be staying in upper tier hotels that go for 3-600 AUD per week.

I have a Canadian passport so I'll be using that to travel to Ukraine visa-free (for once it came in handy). I still have to get a visa to travel to Russia. I'm pretty run down from work so I'm going have a travel agent help me with the paperwork.

I'll obviously drop a line or two on how it goes. Because of my lack of prep I have low expectations but still looking forward to it.

Post: #832

^Why not stay in regular apartments like everyone else?

Don't go over there and start flashing money - game 101

Post: #833

Being a $30k millionaire in any country is going to set you up for crappy results if you are looking to find an actual wife.

Post: #834

Yeah Burner, you need to get something like what they call in Asia a "7 Days Hotel", which is like an apartment that has a kitchen inside. I bet they have something similar there. Perhaps someone more familiar with Europe can tell you what they call them or how to find them. They should be cheaper than a hotel and you can rent them out a week at a time or so.

The reason why those are good setups because you can check a woman's homeskills and how well she caters to you as a man.

Basically here is your game breakdown:

1. Meet ladies/candidates

2. Date 1, 2 or 3 (feel it out), invite them back to your place for dinner (ask them to cook you something nice).

3. Go to the market together and buy the ingredients. (let her take point picking the stuff, but you pay for the food)
*Look for things like, is she cheap/frugal to a fault, too expensive tastes, excitement level, eagerness to cook you something awesome, does she know how to buy vegetables, is she argumentative over little shit, etc. etc....

Shit test, shit test, shit test. (but be gentle)

4. When you get back, let her have at it in the kitchen. If she wants you to cook with her, give her a slight red flag strike. She is on a job interview, she should not need your help, but if she does, give her a hand. If it were me I would go get a seat and watch or drink a beer and chill until she is done.

5. Eat the food. If it sucks, it's not a big deal at all. What you are looking for are the intangibles, the temperament, the attitude, and the level of exuberance. If she sets up the table and plate nice and has great plate presentation, you 9/10 times got an bonafide ESFJ (Natural Caregiver MBTI personality type) on your hands. Make sure you pump her up and encourage her on what a great dish she made, even if it sucked. Her cooking will improve while married, and you can repeat this strategy and note if the dishes got better over time.

6. If she washes the dishes and cookware afterwards, without asking for your assistance, that is a bonus score.

7. You do NOT need to get a bang out of this scenario. Fucking should not be part of the score baseline. On the flipside, if she is cold and does not even respond well to light touching or praise for cooking a nice dinner, that is a negative score regardless. Showing restraint on something like this, opens up for the next time for her to fly into the kitchen then fuck your brains out whether you wanted it or not. A lack of thirst, is a tactic of game itself.

Little stuff you observe can give you TONS of information without having to do terrible strategies, such as living with a woman, because you are able to keep your options open, but still test their wife skills at the same time.

If you run this and you found some nice success go for what I consider phase 2, which is shit tests for her capacity to be a mother, or checks on her level of empathy towards children, etc. The reason why you need to check this is because a good wife and a good mother are two very different things, believe it or not. Some are only one and not the other and some are both.

Post: #835

^ Excellent advice I couldn't even find reading 100+ pages of the Ukraine thread, believe me folks.

Post: #836

(02-21-2017 01:53 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 01:40 AM)Slam Wrote:  It is not your homeland and never will be. You feel this on a deep level the later in life you make a move there.

If the West doesn't improve anytime soon, perhaps this is the price we pay to wife up a good traditional woman to raise a family with.

Increasingly our homelands in the west are become unrecognizable where degeneracy is celebrated, everyone is divided against each other, and traditional lifestyles are mocked and ridiculed. At a certain point it may become "I didn't leave the party the party left me" and relocation will be the ideal option.

Post: #837

(02-21-2017 04:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Yeah Burner, you need to get something like what they call in Asia a "7 Days Hotel", which is like an apartment that has a kitchen inside. I bet they have something similar there. Perhaps someone more familiar with Europe can tell you what they call them or how to find them. They should be cheaper than a hotel and you can rent them out a week at a time or so.

The reason why those are good setups because you can check a woman's homeskills and how well she caters to you as a man.

Basically here is your game breakdown:

1. Meet ladies/candidates

2. Date 1, 2 or 3 (feel it out), invite them back to your place for dinner (ask them to cook you something nice).

3. Go to the market together and buy the ingredients. (let her take point picking the stuff, but you pay for the food)
*Look for things like, is she cheap/frugal to a fault, too expensive tastes, excitement level, eagerness to cook you something awesome, does she know how to buy vegetables, is she argumentative over little shit, etc. etc....

Shit test, shit test, shit test. (but be gentle)

4. When you get back, let her have at it in the kitchen. If she wants you to cook with her, give her a slight red flag strike. She is on a job interview, she should not need your help, but if she does, give her a hand. If it were me I would go get a seat and watch or drink a beer and chill until she is done.

5. Eat the food. If it sucks, it's not a big deal at all. What you are looking for are the intangibles, the temperament, the attitude, and the level of exuberance. If she sets up the table and plate nice and has great plate presentation, you 9/10 times got an bonafide ESFJ (Natural Caregiver MBTI personality type) on your hands. Make sure you pump her up and encourage her on what a great dish she made, even if it sucked. Her cooking will improve while married, and you can repeat this strategy and note if the dishes got better over time.

6. If she washes the dishes and cookware afterwards, without asking for your assistance, that is a bonus score.

7. You do NOT need to get a bang out of this scenario. Fucking should not be part of the score baseline. On the flipside, if she is cold and does not even respond well to light touching or praise for cooking a nice dinner, that is a negative score regardless. Showing restraint on something like this, opens up for the next time for her to fly into the kitchen then fuck your brains out whether you wanted it or not. A lack of thirst, is a tactic of game itself.

Little stuff you observe can give you TONS of information without having to do terrible strategies, such as living with a woman, because you are able to keep your options open, but still test their wife skills at the same time.

If you run this and you found some nice success go for what I consider phase 2, which is shit tests for her capacity to be a mother, or checks on her level of empathy towards children, etc. The reason why you need to check this is because a good wife and a good mother are two very different things, believe it or not. Some are only one and not the other and some are both.

That's gold. I wish I had done that with my prospects before - but anyway I found a good one.

Post: #838

(02-21-2017 04:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Yeah Burner, you need to get something like what they call in Asia a "7 Days Hotel", which is like an apartment that has a kitchen inside. I bet they have something similar there. Perhaps someone more familiar with Europe can tell you what they call them or how to find them. They should be cheaper than a hotel and you can rent them out a week at a time or so.

The reason why those are good setups because you can check a woman's homeskills and how well she caters to you as a man.

Basically here is your game breakdown:

1. Meet ladies/candidates

2. Date 1, 2 or 3 (feel it out), invite them back to your place for dinner (ask them to cook you something nice).

3. Go to the market together and buy the ingredients. (let her take point picking the stuff, but you pay for the food)
*Look for things like, is she cheap/frugal to a fault, too expensive tastes, excitement level, eagerness to cook you something awesome, does she know how to buy vegetables, is she argumentative over little shit, etc. etc....

Shit test, shit test, shit test. (but be gentle)

4. When you get back, let her have at it in the kitchen. If she wants you to cook with her, give her a slight red flag strike. She is on a job interview, she should not need your help, but if she does, give her a hand. If it were me I would go get a seat and watch or drink a beer and chill until she is done.

5. Eat the food. If it sucks, it's not a big deal at all. What you are looking for are the intangibles, the temperament, the attitude, and the level of exuberance. If she sets up the table and plate nice and has great plate presentation, you 9/10 times got an bonafide ESFJ (Natural Caregiver MBTI personality type) on your hands. Make sure you pump her up and encourage her on what a great dish she made, even if it sucked. Her cooking will improve while married, and you can repeat this strategy and note if the dishes got better over time.

6. If she washes the dishes and cookware afterwards, without asking for your assistance, that is a bonus score.

7. You do NOT need to get a bang out of this scenario. Fucking should not be part of the score baseline. On the flipside, if she is cold and does not even respond well to light touching or praise for cooking a nice dinner, that is a negative score regardless. Showing restraint on something like this, opens up for the next time for her to fly into the kitchen then fuck your brains out whether you wanted it or not. A lack of thirst, is a tactic of game itself.

Little stuff you observe can give you TONS of information without having to do terrible strategies, such as living with a woman, because you are able to keep your options open, but still test their wife skills at the same time.

If you run this and you found some nice success go for what I consider phase 2, which is shit tests for her capacity to be a mother, or checks on her level of empathy towards children, etc. The reason why you need to check this is because a good wife and a good mother are two very different things, believe it or not. Some are only one and not the other and some are both.

+1 from me. I can't believe I haven't repped you yet, but that's corrected now.

Post: #839

May have an opportunity to work remotely and roam anywhere in the U.S. for an extended period, would like thoughts from guys:

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Post: #840

Everyone that I know who got married is very much regretting it.

Wives stop having sex with husbands pretty fast after getting married, and they care infinitely more about the children than about the husbands.

9 out of 10 married men are chronically unhappy, and they are financing this unhappiness and misery.

Post: #841

(03-01-2017 07:01 AM)torid Wrote:  Everyone that I know who got married is very much regretting it.

Wives stop having sex with husbands pretty fast after getting married, and they care infinitely more about the children than about the husbands.

9 out of 10 married men are chronically unhappy, and they are financing this unhappiness and misery.

I have to agree about this happening with kids. I have seen this repeatedly too.

I've seen women I thought were cool just ignore the man. I believe that it's a nature thing and something they move out of after a while. But by then the man is gone. Especially the ones that don't put up with that.

It's not a 100% though. I have some other friends that trained their kids to sleep through anything. They are excellent parents and work from home to be with their children, but they also like to have a good time with friends. But this is also a stable couple that was together at least seven years before they had kids.

Often when the woman ignores the man, that I've seen, they have kids much sooner before working on the relationship first.

Post: #842

(03-01-2017 07:01 AM)torid Wrote:  Everyone that I know who got married is very much regretting it.

Wives stop having sex with husbands pretty fast after getting married, and they care infinitely more about the children than about the husbands.

9 out of 10 married men are chronically unhappy, and they are financing this unhappiness and misery.

My wife is the exact opposite of this. It's easy as hell to notice it as well.

This goes back to what I wrote about the difference between a good wife and a good mother.

You need to screen for attraction, intensity, and affection towards yourself, just as much as you screen for her capacity to be a good mother.

My wife is what I consider a decent mother, but she is a great wife. There are times I have to tell her to leave me alone and deal with the kids instead. That sounds awesome but sometimes it is not a good thing. I still think it is a good thing overall because I can easily manage it, and it gives me a great deal of more control over all of our matters, even if I cannot delegate as much as I would like at times.

My daughter behaves badly alot, and my wife is like "See what she did?!", where as I have to be the one that grabs the belt. I cannot hardly get her or her parents to discipline her at all. They won't even put her in time out until it gets way out of control. My daughter only respects me pretty much. I hate it but that just makes my job as father too important for me to lapse on my duty.

This is why God gives you two parents and not one. My wife is weak with them. My son would run all over her if I left her with him in the future. Testosterone is a hell of a drug. I remember what I was like at 12 and 13. My father told me he has a gun if he could not kick my ass. My wife has been given instructions that if I die very early, send my son to live with a certain brother and he and I are on the same page on alot of shit, especially young sons.

Life is full of trade offs and no woman is perfect. Kids even more so, because you cannot pick those little monsters at all. Find the flaws you can manage and handle with ease. Never make concessions with things you find to be a deal breaker. Manage the things that don't bother you much. Don't get uppity looking for a flawless woman. They don't exist. If they did, your leadership would not be needed.

Post: #843

Great stuff T-Kai

I'm in active wife-search mode but I'm not meeting enough women to be separating the wheat from the chaff. The needle in the haystack takes a long time and the "luck" is about putting yourself in the right place to make it happen. I haven't been putting myself in the right place.

I think if I gave that "wife test" about the dinner to 10 Chinese girls most would fail because they don't have even the faintest idea how to get started in the kitchen. I've met some girls and done some cooking for them, which usually gets a kinda "its ok but could be better look from them". I tell them next time its there turn. Ive seen burned food, soggy everything, etc. Again, I think I need to be attacking this problem more head on by making it point to meet more chicks.

Post: #844

(03-01-2017 08:59 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  Great stuff T-Kai

I'm in active wife-search mode but I'm not meeting enough women to be separating the wheat from the chaff. The needle in the haystack takes a long time and the "luck" is about putting yourself in the right place to make it happen. I haven't been putting myself in the right place.

I think if I gave that "wife test" about the dinner to 10 Chinese girls most would fail because they don't have even the faintest idea how to get started in the kitchen. I've met some girls and done some cooking for them, which usually gets a kinda "its ok but could be better look from them". I tell them next time its there turn. Ive seen burned food, soggy everything, etc. Again, I think I need to be attacking this problem more head on by making it point to meet more chicks.

That sounds like a search technique issue. If China is where you are, there are girls from different regions far from home, that are strong wife material. Other countries usually do not have that advantage.

For China, it is easy to find yourself dating the exact same chick over and over, because of where and how you found her. Even certain dating sites give this strange consistency. Sometimes it is good and sometimes it is bad. I remember a dating site I once used and every single chick I messaged flaked or ghosted after a message. Other sites I used I had to get rid of gals because I could not spend all day talking to them all.

Daygame wise, some places are gold and some are dry and impersonal. Nowadays I am starting to think going younger might be better than the standard 23-26 girls in China. Those chicks have heads that are like blank slates. You could mold the heck out of them, but some of you might get too annoyed or frustrated with that. You and I have a mutual RVF buddy there that is struggling with that right now with his LTR. I laugh at his woes sometimes, because to me those are easy things to fix or correct, but to him, his patience is not quite there yet. He is also alot younger than us too with no interest in marriage, so that is a large factor at play.

One major advantage China has over other places, is that you can actually negotiate a marriage out completely. It would never offend anyone. You can ask them literally anything about what they would be willing to do and you will have their full attention. As long as you don't lob softballs at them, you can find some nos mixed in with all the yes answers. I used to ask women questions about stuff I don't even want just to see where their head is at. (anal sex for example)

For the cooking bits, if their mothers can cook well, usually they fall in line later, but unless they have a serious option, they may not care enough. I know for a fact lots of college chicks that are eggheads suck at cooking. Funny thing is when you run into some that are mothers much later on, they self taught themselves how to cook and can now work the kitchen hard. Kinda sucks for your purposes though, especially if that are the most gals you have access to.

Also, do not forget that you can hack the culture by going outside the box by asking to meet the parents and then you can inspect them like a calf at a rodeo. Her parents and the way they are can be more information than just talking to her for 2 years. You can even shit test the parents about how their family operates. What do they expect from her, yourself, etc. Will they help her raise kids, etc. You can check them out for hedonistic stuff. Highly likely you won't find too much, because they hardly deviate from the norm, but they all have their own quirks. Like my father in law is a big time alpha male with two wives and he is public with it. Their whole family is full of Chinese men that are players or stubborn/cocky alphas with big personalities. I have met others where the fathers are sweet like lambs and completely beholden to the wife. That's a red flag off the bat, for me at least. That is one of the ways, those kittens avoid detection and later become tigers. Gotta check her mother.

Be careful asking to meet parents. Some will refuse unless you want to offer marriage. It literally puts them on the spot because they will lose face if you pass on them, even after meeting their parents. The Western style of meeting boyfriends and girlfriends is strange to Chinese people (for girls under 27). If they like you enough, they will reconsider it. Remember passion cannot be faked. If she wants you badly enough, she will do the needful. Looking back, the ones that balked at me for asking to meet the parents were the ones that had serious personality flaws later causing me to dump them completely.

Post: #845

Another note since we are talking about it.

Parents that put the kids ahead of the spouse are espousing social degeneracy. Your spouse always comes first. You could always make more kids. In Christianity, God is in between the man and the woman. No kids in that picture. They are underneath if they had to be in it somehow.

People who put their kids over everyone have deep feelings of inadequacies and are trying to compensate for it, as a coping mechanism. It could be something as simple as they are not sexually and emotionally satisfied enough (with you), or something ridiculous as they are using their children in hopes they can get rich from them or taken care of.

The best defense from this is passion. A kind of passion that is actually a lifestyle, a philosophy, and a mantra for you both. If you two are arm and arm all day long for no reason other than you just hate being apart for any reason at all, you got a good shot at avoiding the stress of children and family life getting between that.

One thing I love about my wife is that I could spend a whole week with her and I never once got tired of her, like I wanted to go back to my own place without her to decompress or something. Being with her WAS and still is my decompression session.

Don't just marry someone because they check off all the boxes on tangibles. One crazy or disabled child could fuck all that up in a heartbeat. A large loss of money might even do it.

You need a chick that would follow you into a fire.

Post: #846

(03-01-2017 10:12 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Another note since we are talking about it.

Parents that put the kids ahead of the spouse are espousing social degeneracy. Your spouse always comes first. You could always make more kids. In Christianity, God is in between the man and the woman. No kids in that picture. They are underneath if they had to be in it somehow.

People who put their kids over everyone have deep feelings of inadequacies and are trying to compensate for it, as a coping mechanism. It could be something as simple as they are not sexually and emotionally satisfied enough (with you), or something ridiculous as they are using their children in hopes they can get rich from them or taken care of.

The best defense from this is passion. A kind of passion that is actually a lifestyle, a philosophy, and a mantra for you both. If you two are arm and arm all day long for no reason other than you just hate being apart for any reason at all, you got a good shot at avoiding the stress of children and family life getting between that.

One thing I love about my wife is that I could spend a whole week with her and I never once got tired of her, like I wanted to go back to my own place without her to decompress or something. Being with her WAS and still is my decompression session.

Don't just marry someone because they check off all the boxes on tangibles. One crazy or disabled child could fuck all that up in a heartbeat. A large loss of money might even do it.

You need a chick that would follow you into a fire.

This is spot on.

Not too long ago I got a lot of visceral (gut) checks and notifications from a girl who said a lot of things, but this one stood out:

Nothing will come ahead of my kids and career (not sure which order she said that).

My reaction was that of kai's, and I'm quite pleased that every sensor/alarm in my head (or gut) went off.

Yes, you guessed it: Douchebag dad, raised by mom where seemingly power and money were always an issue on either end, imprinting of above characteristics from the mom (survival because she chose a maggot for a partner, with all the defense formations afterward).

A poster child of everything that is wrong with the modern day woman, including a soceity run amok with mindless parents. What's more (and worse)? Very intelligent so able to climb the ladder, be drone like, and professionally successful.

What's the moral of the story? They reveal this to you pretty early. It's actually pretty obvious. Stick to your gut, as others have told you. But make sure your lens can pick out the characteristics that the society stresses, and you know are bullshit --- and act accordingly, choosing wisely.

It's also the reason I'm not interested in American women, save a very select few who buck the trend (diamonds in the rough): there are too likely WAY too many distractions, inputs from the environment, and wealth --- it all works against you. Especially if you don't have someone who has your values, and not many do anymore because secularism and anti-traditionalism are at an all time high.

Post: #847

Family background is so very important when looking for a wife. A women can act subservient and wonderful in all ways but if she is a child of divorce or has a bad relationship with her father she should be disqualified in my opinion. When you marry a woman you are forging an extended family support structure. This support structure should be optimal for the psychological health of your children. As a united family these people will play an intricate part of the development of your children's lives. Well to do family, traditional family values, no examples of divorce or degeneracy to expose to your kids etc. Coming from a strong family structure also better ensures a woman will stay around for the long haul because there are social pressures keeping her in line. A woman from a degenerate broken family will feel no familial pressure to be a good wife and will face no shame or familial sanctions for leaving her husband.

Post: #848

Guy is a sucker. Woman is just looking out for herself. Feminists would agree with her.

(01-05-2017 03:55 AM)jabba Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:44 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I'm giving it another go with a second girl I met in Moscow in November. We have only met a few times the week I was there. "Wife hunting" will be premature at this point but she is coming to stay with me in California for a few weeks. She is a personal trainer at the top Moscow fitness chain and her life is above average. We did know of some of the same people. I was only able to kiss her there and social media points to a family/responsible woman. I will admit that there has to be a little bit of crazy in her to travel half way around the world to see a man. She got the visa and plane ticket on her own. Seems motivated but not too much. I'll let you know how this one plays out. 30 7.5/8

For all those considering an LTR with EE girls, I've been blind to a woman's natural tendencies.

Lessons Learned...
Don't pay for her trips to visit you in the North America.
Why - She will expect you to pay for all the vacations and never understand the value of money.

Pick a country where the quality of are girls on par or better than your girl.
Why - If she starts to misbehave, then leave her on the spot. Don't think about 1 girl. You need to look out for yourself. There are plenty of other girls who want to meet you. Whenever a girl was acting weird on a date, I knew which clubs / lounges I would go right after seeing her.

It's very important to conduct from a position of authority, because this brings abundance to your mindset. You may crush her ego and make her cry, but it's better than you getting crushed.

She can obtain her own visa (work / tourist).
Why - She understands how to strategize and comply with governmental regulations. Her ability to think rationally is very important. This is huge. If things don't work out, then there's less pressure for both parties vs. the fiancee visa route. Also, this gives both of you breathing room to see if the relationship is viable. If things work out, then it's awesome you found a beautiful girl who can also be a good partner. Having smarts, diligence and maternal instincts is very attractive. She should be a good role model for your kids.

She earns her own money / enjoys her job.
Why - Haters are always going to hate. Women who are spoiled will never be happy and only complain. They will become lazy and find an addiction (drugs, shopping, food, alcohol, gambling, opioids, gossip, etc...). She will drag you down and create a destructive environment. You will age 10 years and waste some of the best years of your life due to the stress.

She will expect an allowance from you when you're working your ass everyday. She doesn't need to be a CEO, but she needs to work and help with the expenses if you both enjoy the finer things in life.

Be careful with lower-class girls who don't have any money but want to live the good life.
Note: I saw this a lot in EE. I agree with deleting EE girls (with no financial means) who are sponsored and have lavish pics in a hotel. Cutting them immediately will save you a lot of time in the end. Her mind is polluted, and she will take you for a ride. There are normal EE girls. Meet them instead.

Why - If you ever get married, she will take money from you and send it to her family. She may never work, but she will figure out ways to siphon your savings to her fund her family's financial woes.

After spending time in EE, I welcomed returning to Western Europe's standard of living and meeting girls there. It's refreshing meeting girls who don't expect you to pay for everything. They have money and can travel freely to the North America.

East & West has it's pros & cons. Fortunately, it's a short 2 hour flight within Europe if you ever fancy either side.

Post: #849

What is this junk? What did that video have to do with this thread? The guy on that radio show has zero game, like your typical MGTOW. Expecting sex after two dinner dates is a transactional mindset. It's not much different from p4p, quite frankly. That's not game and that's not wife hunting with game.

What is the core distinction between a woman wanting to sleep with you after having drinks or one dinner date? She enjoyed your company enough to want to fuck you. That's essentially game.

If you are trying to tie that video to your previous post, I fail to see the common factor/dynamic involved.

Actually if I had the time, I could rip apart your previous post, for the lack of game involved.

Too often beginners (Red Pill wise, Game Wise, MGTOW, etc) try too hard to be "More Sneaky" than the women they are dating/chasing. Often to the point to where they never fucking accomplish anything goal wise. They spin in place with the same level of results they currently sit at. It could be as bad as the friendzone or a semi consistent bang with a middling 5/10.

There is no "trick" or scheme to run on women in the big picture. Tactics are just tactics. Learn game from a holistic perspective. Concepts. Psychology, Relationship building, Masculine Leadership, Logistics, Passion, Romance, Presence of Mind, Energy, Happiness, Joy, Inner Peace, Goals, etc. etc.

Women are sensitive creatures. All those things I mentioned make up your inner vibe. They can feel that vibe coming off you, whether you want them to or not.

That dumb fuck in the video wanting his money back after 2 dates is just lazy. He should just go get a prostitute, if that is the mindset he wants to maintain.

Post: #850

The guy's a loser...that's obvious.

The connection with my previous post was how the mother unapologetically justified feeding her kids by tapping into the man's resources, figuratively and literally. Guys who get involved with girls from a lower income class end up supporting her (extended) family too. It appears to be expected. You can replace "kids" for "brother, sister, mother, father" who needs money for <anything>, and it's the same justification to her. Her family will always come first, not you. Blood is thicker than water. Guys ignore this fact from the onset of the relationship, but it will be spinning in her subconscious like a slot machine.

When she explained that her and her kids are a package deal, it reminded me of a particular RVF post where a successful guy bankrolled his wife's cousin's venture until he was broke. Eventually, she left him. He got gamed at the end.

This is a lesson we can all learn without the experience.

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