(02-27-2017 02:39 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 04:19 PM)Parzival Wrote:  Often its we have to integrate those people, they are traumatized. This is all true but one thing is missing. Its not my nor the job of the society to finance a bunch of social workers and therapeutist to cure people from a self destructive society. First of all its an illusion to think you can "cure" everyone with a social worker and some talks. Some are just plain evil or sick with no hope for improvement to a decent human being. Second, its not our responsibility to "cure" or help failed societies. Every citizen is responsible for his / her own society to some degree and even more every government is responsible for their own citizens. Third I don't see the point to "tolerate" the crime and terror till those people learned to become humans. Till then we have just to live with all the crime and terror? There we are again by the victim role and excuses. For some people, no matter what they do, they will never be responsible. Because "we" did in some way something wrong. No matter what went wrong in a childhood, its no excuse to murder others, to steal, to rape and do other crimes. We are not talking about stealing food because you are starving. Thats not an issue in Europe.
They even said with the now concept of integration there will be soon huger failed parallel communities. It will become very interesting in the next few years with very hot - red - zones.

Many Muslims are traumatized and mentally stunted because Islam does that to them. I have listened to enough talks by Ex-Muslims - ones growing up in the West even. And they said often that they were in some kind of stupor - the more Beta men were thinking that Western girls were all having gang-bangs at home, were fucking dogs and most had orgies non-stop, because the morals of theirs did not stop them. And this statement was given by a Muslim who grew up in the USA. He said that many think that. Middle Eastern Muslims think that Europe is one big brothel and if they don't fuck them during a gang-rape then they are going to have gang-bang anyway tomorrow with local men.

The religion is an evil evil cult that influences everyone - only the strongest, spiritually kindest and most intelligent secular ones can mentally remain free of some of the clutches.





Many Muslims don't even know the extent of their religion. Here you see Tommy Robinson discussing Islam with a UK Muslim who does not know jack shit about either Mohammed nor Islam. Tommy has read mor Islamic texts than that stuttering bloke.

Frankly at this stage I begin to be wondering why anyone would even want to remain Muslim. I mean all you need to do is to read the Quran and one of the early Islam-sanctioned biographies. There you can literally read and find out for yourself that Mohammed himself was something akin to Hannibal Lector and you are now his follower. I mean yeah - we can say good things about him too - he had a good taste in wine and humans - heh. But seriously Mohammed tortured men for their money by lighting fires on their bodies, he raped, he killed, he mass-murdered, he fucked children, he bought and sold slaves, he enslaved.

At this stage of available info I honestly wonder about any literate Muslim and ask myself:

"Why the fucking fuck are you still Muslim? I get it that you are born in it and there is no fault in that, but staying in this evil cult? The only excuse is that you did not know that it was evil, but that can be easily remedied by studying the source material."

The whole of Islam is held together by the fact that no one reads its holy books.

We occassionaly have Muslim trolls who post here extolling the virtues of it. Anytime I see a post like this either here or elsewhere I'll post a copy of some of the more damning and violent passages written in the Koran, Hadiths, and by muslim scholars.

Watching their heads spin in the light of their violent religion's texts is delightful. There's nothing "peaceful" inany book.

Wr. Neustadt - a 50.000 city in Austria:



http://newobserveronline.com/austrian-ci...opulation/

Quote:Austrian City with 56% Nonwhite School Population

Quote:Schneeberger—a member of the conservative Austrian Peoples’ Party (ÖVP), and therefore one of those responsible for the mass Third World invasion—said that on average, the proportion of children with a foreign mother tongue in the four preschool classes is already at 80.33 percent.

Wiener Neustadt officially has a “migrant population” of around 23 percent, and is the largest school and kindergarten town in Lower Austria.

That is what I said about young migration and population growth. When a country like Austria or Germany adds 500.000 to 2.000.000 in the fertile age range and then starts popping out kids, then the impact is catastrophic. Germany boosted their 20-35 age range by 20-30% - boosted with low-IQ violent Middle Eastern immigrants. Austria did the same - why low IQ, you may ask?

Quote:Kindergarten teachers, teachers, and directors have already reported on the “catastrophic knowledge” of German among the pupils, and that “no ordinary teaching methods are possible.”

Schneeberger said that the local Otto Glöckel school was a case in point. In some classes in that school, 93 percent of the children do not speak German at home.

Instead of calling for a halt to the ethnic cleansing of his own people, Schneeberger asked his government for extra help to teach these Third World children German “in order to protect their future.”

Yeah - because if you got 106-IQ Poles (the IQ of the new generation is 106 on par with native Germans - was lower in the past), Croats or Serbs, then this would not be much of a problem. You can plop a Serb right into Kindergarten - by elementary school he will likely outperform the locals.

However when you are looking at a 20-40 point IQ differential and add disdain for the local language and culture - well - then you have life-long catastrophic knowledge of the German language with no ordinary teaching methods even possible.

The same happened with many Turks since a wide majority of them speaks a simplified German with dialect.

The new immigrants will be much worse.

Ah well - the power of demographics - many idiots still underestimate it. The US especially is underestimating it's growing Muslim population. At least they are well-armed enough to get rid of their Caliphate quicker.

^^ The shit will hit the fan when they reach voting age and vote for the Caliphate.

Certain areas in Manchester which are home to well off working class and low-middle middle class families are seeing encroachment by Muslims into their schools and areas and this is causing people to move or take notice.

These areas are acting as buffer zones for Jewish communities.

These whites are also not the type to indulge in anti-muslim marches and the like. They're people who are the so-called hidden voter, a large number of people who keep their prejudices on the down low less society, the government and those they dislike come down on them.

In short it is white flight.

The Jewish communities will not tolerate Muslims in significant numbers on the border of their communities in the UK. This is not Israel.

I'll be keeping an eye on these areas and whilst they are stubborn, they will move if neccesary.

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boosted with low-IQ violent Middle Eastern immigrants. Austria did the same - why low IQ, you may ask?

Inbreeding (cousin marriage) drives down intelligence. Big issues with making retards / near retards with cultures that practice this.



Yeah - because if you got 106-IQ Poles (the IQ of the new generation is 106 on par with native Germans - was lower in the past), Croats or Serbs, then this would not be much of a problem. You can plop a Serb right into Kindergarten - by elementary school he will likely outperform the locals.

IQs were likely suppressed due to nutritional issues. Example: After WWI, the US started putting iodine in salt. The army noticed that recruits from interior parts of the country (no seafood = low iodine consumption) had enlarged thyroid glands and scored lower on the IQ tests given to recruits. IQ score went up on the tests from future generations via the additional iodine.

I am sure diet and prenatal care (vitamin supplements are very important for fetal brain growth) improved dramatically in the former east block since the fall of the Soviet Union.

< I've looked into the Middle Eastern IQ reasons and they are:

1) Inbreeding - lowers IQ tremendously - no cousin is good
2) Ramadan fasting of women - absolute idiotic idea to do so
3) Lack of vitamin D3 of women due to all the cover-up
4) Too much r-selected breeding (high K-selected breeding societies are Chinese, Japanese, Jewish, Christian - in the past you could only marry and have kids with more affluence)

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As for Eastern Europe and Russia - potentially the same IQ as Western Whites, but this decreased it in the past:

1) Hajnal line was real and there was mor inbreeding - ended with communism - now they are no longer tribal
2) nutritional deficits and general backwardsness - illiteracy especially in Russia bred a lot of problems, drinking during pregnancy etc. That also improved in the recent decades.

Generally IQs improve with more nutrient-dense foods, less neuro-toxins (pesticides, fluoride, vaccines[nevermind if you believe in them - there are massive neuro-toxins inside], endocrine disruptors etc.), more promotion of k-selection (let the smartest breed the most and not the dumbest motherfuckers), no inbreeding, lack of toxins during pregnancy and early childhood.

Of course if you have those factors working on the reverse then you get a decrease of IQs. Western IQs have been increasing 2-3 points per decade the last decades from the 1900s to the 1990s. Mid 1990s is when the IQs began to stop the rise and reversed. It is only partly based on low-IQ migrant immigration. The IQs of the locals have also stopped improving.

You can take your guess what is causing this despite the increase in nutritional knowledge. Of course older mothers don't help with that either since their bodies do produce worse progeny as a guideline (except for a few older mothers who eat exceptionally well, use massive orthomolecular supplements and have good genetics).

I have often repeated that I don't believe in static IQs of races or tribes. Give me enough time and power over the breeding pattern of a nation and I can probably make Somalia into a high-IQ nation. But my policies would be brutal and the few genius level Somalis would have 10 wives and 10 kids each - heh

(02-27-2017 04:10 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  The whole of Islam is held together by the fact that no one reads its holy books.

We occassionaly have Muslim trolls who post here extolling the virtues of it. Anytime I see a post like this either here or elsewhere I'll post a copy of some of the more damning and violent passages written in the Koran, Hadiths, and by muslim scholars.

Watching their heads spin in the light of their violent religion's texts is delightful. There's nothing "peaceful" inany book.

Not All Muslims Are Like That

Your move.

(02-27-2017 01:41 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:10 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  The whole of Islam is held together by the fact that no one reads its holy books.

We occassionaly have Muslim trolls who post here extolling the virtues of it. Anytime I see a post like this either here or elsewhere I'll post a copy of some of the more damning and violent passages written in the Koran, Hadiths, and by muslim scholars.

Watching their heads spin in the light of their violent religion's texts is delightful. There's nothing "peaceful" inany book.

Not All Muslims Are Like That

Your move.

The ones that fall in the NAMALT category tend to either be:

1. Secular (they don't care / low religiosity)
2. They're practicing but they're only source of info comes from an iman (didn't read the texts).

Once a serious individual starts breaking the texts down, it's a short walk towards joining Isis.

It doesn't make the texts and core religionany less violent.

(02-27-2017 03:25 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:41 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:10 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  The whole of Islam is held together by the fact that no one reads its holy books.

We occassionaly have Muslim trolls who post here extolling the virtues of it. Anytime I see a post like this either here or elsewhere I'll post a copy of some of the more damning and violent passages written in the Koran, Hadiths, and by muslim scholars.

Watching their heads spin in the light of their violent religion's texts is delightful. There's nothing "peaceful" inany book.

Not All Muslims Are Like That

Your move.

The ones that fall in the NAMALT category tend to either be:

1. Secular (they don't care / low religiosity)
2. They're practicing but they're only source of info comes from an iman (didn't read the texts).

Once a serious individual starts breaking the texts down, it's a short walk towards joining Isis.

It doesn't make the texts and core religionany less violent.

To be honest I was just trolling because I wanted to hear the most damning passages.

To those who seriously argue NAMALT I'll just remind them that the moderate majority doesn't matter.

(02-27-2017 03:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:25 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:41 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:10 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  The whole of Islam is held together by the fact that no one reads its holy books.

We occassionaly have Muslim trolls who post here extolling the virtues of it. Anytime I see a post like this either here or elsewhere I'll post a copy of some of the more damning and violent passages written in the Koran, Hadiths, and by muslim scholars.

Watching their heads spin in the light of their violent religion's texts is delightful. There's nothing "peaceful" inany book.

Not All Muslims Are Like That

Your move.

The ones that fall in the NAMALT category tend to either be:

1. Secular (they don't care / low religiosity)
2. They're practicing but they're only source of info comes from an iman (didn't read the texts).

Once a serious individual starts breaking the texts down, it's a short walk towards joining Isis.

It doesn't make the texts and core religionany less violent.

To be honest I was just trolling because I wanted to hear the most damning passages.

To those who seriously argue NAMALT I'll just remind them that the moderate majority doesn't matter.

Knock yourself out!
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-60891...pid1498148

(02-25-2017 07:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  This is funny and strong:





A video supposedly from the Pentagon - does not seem fake that I became aware of from the Dilbert Scott Adams blog:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/15757190961...-see-today

Quote:I can’t tell if this secret video is real, but it purports to show a scientist proposing to develop a military-grade virus that would eliminate extreme religious thoughts in people as a way to end terrorism.

The scary part is that it would probably work.

We know which parts of the brain deal with religious thoughts, and apparently we know how to make a virus that would mess with those parts of the brain.

I respect you opinion on many matters, but believing a vaccine, a pill or a virus can destroy religious thoughts is just ... tinfoil.

The video is most probably fake, even if not this virus will fail anyway. There have been rumors for decades about chemical weapons that turn enemy soldiers into gays who want nothing but screw each other and stop fighting - well where are these weapons being used?

At least two three four reasons it will fail:

1)You cannot make fast experiments to measure whether your antireligion virus is effective - an experiment is a generation long and must take place in real world conditions. If you live in a muslim society accepting that religion is just a matter of survival and even if your religous brain compartment is destroyed - the one that answers for your survival will take over make you a believer.

2)You cannot change human behavior like that - the ability to imprint religious ideas is genetical and exists before a baby's brain is formed. Then when a baby grows up brain compartmentalizes itself - some segments in neocortex become responsible for religiosity others for language others for scientific thought and if you ruin one of those compartments - the other compartments will take over it's functon! There are people who have underdone a massive personality change after a head truma, sometimes literally after a steel rod pierced their brain - only for their personality to slowly drift back to normal as neighbourly brain compartments take on those functions.

3)It's highly dubious one can make a virus that targets one specific area in brain not harming other similar areas or causing many other side effects unless it is directly injected into this region or carried there by some futuresque nanobots, which in turn would require a beacon to to be implantad in that area.

4)Different religious people are in their religion for different reasons, some need consolation, others need invigoration, some seek peace others seek outlet for their violance, some seek community, some seek validation, some seek for something exotic, some are afraid of death, others are afraid of life, some seek programming that would liberate them from drugs, others seek explanations and justifications for their drug hallucinations, some seek a missing parent figure, some seek a rebellion against the previous generation - it's hard to imagine one cure will work on all these often controversial causes.

So for the nerds ho believe they can solve spiritual problems with technology I must say - No! Not even close! At least not yet. I hope never.

< I agree somewhat - the vaccine would work as a semi-lobotomy impacting brain activity far more than advertised - essentially more like a stronger sedative. Though it certainly would not work as a "vaccine" in the current form - more as a localized destructive toxin.

And of course it would not eliminate religious extremism - at best mitigate it somewhat since a lobotomized population is a calm population.

The graphics in the vid fit with the spoken texts so who knows. Currently the actual vaccines don't work as advertised so even using the term is faulty. As for whether they can do it - who knows. Brainwashing and chemical lobotomy works at subduing a rebellious society.

The best way to eliminate Islamic extremism is to eliminate the religion itself - that is easier done than trying to change actual thinking patterns of humans while they still have more function left in life than a drooling vegetable.

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 07:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  This is funny and strong:





A video supposedly from the Pentagon - does not seem fake that I became aware of from the Dilbert Scott Adams blog:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/15757190961...-see-today

Quote:I can’t tell if this secret video is real, but it purports to show a scientist proposing to develop a military-grade virus that would eliminate extreme religious thoughts in people as a way to end terrorism.

The scary part is that it would probably work.

We know which parts of the brain deal with religious thoughts, and apparently we know how to make a virus that would mess with those parts of the brain.

I respect you opinion on many matters, but believing a vaccine, a pill or a virus can destroy religious thoughts is just ... tinfoil.

The video is most probably fake, even if not this virus will fail anyway. There have been rumors for decades about chemical weapons that turn enemy soldiers into gays who want nothing but screw each other and stop fighting - well where are these weapons being used?

At least two three four reasons it will fail:

1)You cannot make fast experiments to measure whether your antireligion virus is effective - an experiment is a generation long and must take place in real world conditions. If you live in a muslim society accepting that religion is just a matter of survival and even if your religous brain compartment is destroyed - the one that answers for your survival will take over make you a believer.

Generation long experiments are unnecessary - just prove you can wipe it out for weeks or months from even the most religious followers. From there you can extrapolate that for most people it will wipe out their religious urges for life.

Quote:2)You cannot change human behavior like that - the ability to imprint religious ideas is genetical and exists before a baby's brain is formed. Then when a baby grows up brain compartmentalizes itself - some segments in neocortex become responsible for religiosity others for language others for scientific thought and if you ruin one of those compartments - the other compartments will take over it's functon! There are people who have underdone a massive personality change after a head truma, sometimes literally after a steel rod pierced their brain - only for their personality to slowly drift back to normal as neighbourly brain compartments take on those functions.

Vastly overstating neuroplasticity. There are a multitude more examples of people losing cognitive functions in childhood (when your brain is most able to adapt) and still never regaining them.

It is entirely plausible to identify one part of the brain whose activity is linked to having religious thoughts and destroying it in some fashion.

Quote:3)It's highly dubious one can make a virus that targets one specific area in brain not harming other similar areas or causing many other side effects unless it is directly injected into this region or carried there by some futuresque nanobots, which in turn would require a beacon to to be implantad in that area.

I doubt these scientists would care, or they'd just be deemed "side effects".

Quote:4)Different religious people are in their religion for different reasons, some need consolation, others need invigoration, some seek peace others seek outlet for their violance, some seek community, some seek validation, some seek for something exotic, some are afraid of death, others are afraid of life, some seek programming that would liberate them from drugs, others seek explanations and justifications for their drug hallucinations, some seek a missing parent figure, some seek a rebellion against the previous generation - it's hard to imagine one cure will work on all these often controversial causes.

Again - just find the brain areas whose activity is associated with religious thoughts, or find a part of the brain whose destruction or inhibition will cause these thoughts to cease.

As far as I'm aware we have yet to determine where is an exact religious thinking spot though a few promising leads have been found.

(01-29-2017 04:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Saying "there's good stuff about islam" is like saying "chronic AIDS helped me lose weight".

Fantastic comment by Leonard!

So funny and true.

Also had to share this, because it sheds new Light on the Scientific Advances of the Ottomans - Christian countries certainly would not dream of coming up with that:

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  1)You cannot make fast experiments to measure whether your antireligion virus is effective - an experiment is a generation long and must take place in real world conditions. If you live in a muslim society accepting that religion is just a matter of survival and even if your religous brain compartment is destroyed - the one that answers for your survival will take over make you a believer.

Generation long experiments are unnecessary - just prove you can wipe it out for weeks or months from even the most religious followers. From there you can extrapolate that for most people it will wipe out their religious urges for life.

How do you imagine that? A person not feeling an urge to go to a mosque for a week or two? You know everyone who is a regular goer will keep going to mosque anyway out of habit/duty/social pressure/connections needed to be maintained. You cannot perform such an experiment similarly like you cannot perform an experiment on what women want in a lab.

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  2)You cannot change human behavior like that - the ability to imprint religious ideas is genetical and exists before a baby's brain is formed. Then when a baby grows up brain compartmentalizes itself - some segments in neocortex become responsible for religiosity others for language others for scientific thought and if you ruin one of those compartments - the other compartments will take over it's functon! There are people who have underdone a massive personality change after a head truma, sometimes literally after a steel rod pierced their brain - only for their personality to slowly drift back to normal as neighbourly brain compartments take on those functions.

Vastly overstating neuroplasticity. There are a multitude more examples of people losing cognitive functions in childhood (when your brain is most able to adapt) and still never regaining them.

It is entirely plausible to identify one part of the brain whose activity is linked to having religious thoughts and destroying it in some fashion.

Some brain functions are probably more plastic then others, I assume religiosity is more evasive, spread and plastic then something more technical like let's say depth perception.

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  3)It's highly dubious one can make a virus that targets one specific area in brain not harming other similar areas or causing many other side effects unless it is directly injected into this region or carried there by some futuresque nanobots, which in turn would require a beacon to to be implantad in that area.

I doubt these scientists would care, or they'd just be deemed "side effects".

They would care because side effects make all the difference. If you just erase religiosity then you have created a clean and humane weapon that will fly under radar of civil right activists and even most conspiracy theorists and anti establishment investigators. It will be covet weapon and no one would ever suspect it was ever used.
However if you don't just erase religiosity but have big sideffects effectively turn people into 60 IQ idiots or 30IQ drooling zombies then it's as obvious and inhumane as just killing them with less complicated chemical weapons and will cause a huge uproar from all religious organizations, other countries, civil rights activists and could even unite SJW's and red pillers against this.

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  4)Different religious people are in their religion for different reasons, some need consolation, others need invigoration, some seek peace others seek outlet for their violance, some seek community, some seek validation, some seek for something exotic, some are afraid of death, others are afraid of life, some seek programming that would liberate them from drugs, others seek explanations and justifications for their drug hallucinations, some seek a missing parent figure, some seek a rebellion against the previous generation - it's hard to imagine one cure will work on all these often controversial causes.

Again - just find the brain areas whose activity is associated with religious thoughts, or find a part of the brain whose destruction or inhibition will cause these thoughts to cease.

All those people will have various brain sports active depending on why they are religous and their individual approach to the practice.

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  As far as I'm aware we have yet to determine where is an exact religious thinking spot though a few promising leads have been found.

I doubt scientists can determine that precisely enough. How would they do that? Measuring brain activity while praying would just show up activity associated with inner dialogue. Measuring brain activity during religious service would only show up arias associated with singing and kneeling. That is only a superficial religiosity however. True religiosity is when a person walks down the street sees an infidel beggar being robbed by a burglar displaying belonging to the religion of the observer and then acting spontaneously or consciously on behalf on one of those parties. That is when religion matters and that is what they will not measure.

(02-28-2017 06:06 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  1)You cannot make fast experiments to measure whether your antireligion virus is effective - an experiment is a generation long and must take place in real world conditions. If you live in a muslim society accepting that religion is just a matter of survival and even if your religous brain compartment is destroyed - the one that answers for your survival will take over make you a believer.

Generation long experiments are unnecessary - just prove you can wipe it out for weeks or months from even the most religious followers. From there you can extrapolate that for most people it will wipe out their religious urges for life.

How do you imagine that? A person not feeling an urge to go to a mosque for a week or two? You know everyone who is a regular goer will keep going to mosque anyway out of habit/duty/social pressure/connections needed to be maintained. You cannot perform such an experiment similarly like you cannot perform an experiment on what women want in a lab.

I'd measure neural activity again to show that the activation associated with religiosity is eliminated as well as use tests like the Religious Orientation Scale to look for a shift to extrinsic motivation ("religion is a means to an end" e.g. survival in Islamic country where apostacy = death) from intrinsic motivation ("religion is an end in itself").

Habits themselves may well take much longer or never be eliminated due to the factors you've mentioned.

Quote:

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  2)You cannot change human behavior like that - the ability to imprint religious ideas is genetical and exists before a baby's brain is formed. Then when a baby grows up brain compartmentalizes itself - some segments in neocortex become responsible for religiosity others for language others for scientific thought and if you ruin one of those compartments - the other compartments will take over it's functon! There are people who have underdone a massive personality change after a head truma, sometimes literally after a steel rod pierced their brain - only for their personality to slowly drift back to normal as neighbourly brain compartments take on those functions.

Vastly overstating neuroplasticity. There are a multitude more examples of people losing cognitive functions in childhood (when your brain is most able to adapt) and still never regaining them.

It is entirely plausible to identify one part of the brain whose activity is linked to having religious thoughts and destroying it in some fashion.

Some brain functions are probably more plastic then others, I assume religiosity is more evasive, spread and plastic then something more technical like let's say depth perception.

Note that eliminating religiosity is not necessarily dependent on physically destroying all brain areas associated with religious brain activity, it could be that destroying the functionality of one small part causes the entire house of cards to fall down or at least significantly curtail religious belief.

But then these assumptions can't be proven correct because we simply don't have access to the data these scientists are said to have. Until that stage mainstream science says Zel's assumption that it would be more like a lobotomy is likely most correct.

Quote:

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  3)It's highly dubious one can make a virus that targets one specific area in brain not harming other similar areas or causing many other side effects unless it is directly injected into this region or carried there by some futuresque nanobots, which in turn would require a beacon to to be implantad in that area.

I doubt these scientists would care, or they'd just be deemed "side effects".

They would care because side effects make all the difference. If you just erase religiosity then you have created a clean and humane weapon that will fly under radar of civil right activists and even most conspiracy theorists and anti establishment investigators. It will be covet weapon and no one would ever suspect it was ever used.
However if you don't just erase religiosity but have big sideffects effectively turn people into 60 IQ idiots or 30IQ drooling zombies then it's as obvious and inhumane as just killing them with less complicated chemical weapons and will cause a huge uproar from all religious organizations, other countries, civil rights activists and could even unite SJW's and red pillers against this.

True, in a scenario like post-religious world war though this would still be viewed as humane enough if it just simply made them idiots but yeah certaintly not acceptable for today's world.

Quote:

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  4)Different religious people are in their religion for different reasons, some need consolation, others need invigoration, some seek peace others seek outlet for their violance, some seek community, some seek validation, some seek for something exotic, some are afraid of death, others are afraid of life, some seek programming that would liberate them from drugs, others seek explanations and justifications for their drug hallucinations, some seek a missing parent figure, some seek a rebellion against the previous generation - it's hard to imagine one cure will work on all these often controversial causes.

Again - just find the brain areas whose activity is associated with religious thoughts, or find a part of the brain whose destruction or inhibition will cause these thoughts to cease.

All those people will have various brain sports active depending on why they are religous and their individual approach to the practice.

(02-27-2017 04:33 PM)Valentine Wrote:  As far as I'm aware we have yet to determine where is an exact religious thinking spot though a few promising leads have been found.

I doubt scientists can determine that precisely enough. How would they do that? Measuring brain activity while praying would just show up activity associated with inner dialogue. Measuring brain activity during religious service would only show up arias associated with singing and kneeling. That is only a superficial religiosity however. True religiosity is when a person walks down the street sees an infidel beggar being robbed by a burglar displaying belonging to the religion of the observer and then acting spontaneously or consciously on behalf on one of those parties. That is when religion matters and that is what they will not measure.

Looking at previous neurotheology studies they often favour moral choice conundrums, reading/hearing religious text, thinking about the afterlife. You could take an average of all of these and find a pattern theoretically. Our brain imaging technology needs a lot more improvement though perhaps.

(02-28-2017 02:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Saying "there's good stuff about islam" is like saying "chronic AIDS helped me lose weight".

Fantastic comment by Leonard!

So funny and true.

Also had to share this, because it sheds new Light on the Scientific Advances of the Ottomans - Christian countries certainly would not dream of coming up with that:

Perpetual motion machines are possible!

(02-27-2017 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  There have been rumors for decades about chemical weapons that turn enemy soldiers into gays who want nothing but screw each other and stop fighting - well where are these weapons being used?

Zel - Where is that faggot pic from? Gross!

(02-28-2017 11:03 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Zel - Where is that faggot pic from? Gross!

I found it in the Twitter history of a leftie-troll (NYU educated in the SJW gulag) who bugged me on Twitter a bit. Strangely he taunted some Turks with the pic while being all for Islamic mass immigration of course.

And the most funny part is that he wanted to meet up in Poland since he is coming over to bang girls in Poland. But his Twitter feed was all about looking for beef with AltRight, Manosphere and conservative guys.

He said that his RVF membership is pending. I first thought that he was Muslim because he defended Islam so much, but no - it turned out he was a true SJW with a good job.

But the pic is pure fuckery - never seen anything like that either.

Glad someone had the script for a gay human centipede centuries before a movie.

(02-27-2017 10:24 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < I've looked into the Middle Eastern IQ reasons and they are:

1) Inbreeding - lowers IQ tremendously - no cousin is good
2) Ramadan fasting of women - absolute idiotic idea to do so
3) Lack of vitamin D3 of women due to all the cover-up
4) Too much r-selected breeding (high K-selected breeding societies are Chinese, Japanese, Jewish, Christian - in the past you could only marry and have kids with more affluence)

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As for Eastern Europe and Russia - potentially the same IQ as Western Whites, but this decreased it in the past:

1) Hajnal line was real and there was mor inbreeding - ended with communism - now they are no longer tribal
2) nutritional deficits and general backwardsness - illiteracy especially in Russia bred a lot of problems, drinking during pregnancy etc. That also improved in the recent decades.

Generally IQs improve with more nutrient-dense foods, less neuro-toxins (pesticides, fluoride, vaccines[nevermind if you believe in them - there are massive neuro-toxins inside], endocrine disruptors etc.), more promotion of k-selection (let the smartest breed the most and not the dumbest motherfuckers), no inbreeding, lack of toxins during pregnancy and early childhood.

Of course if you have those factors working on the reverse then you get a decrease of IQs. Western IQs have been increasing 2-3 points per decade the last decades from the 1900s to the 1990s. Mid 1990s is when the IQs began to stop the rise and reversed. It is only partly based on low-IQ migrant immigration. The IQs of the locals have also stopped improving.

You can take your guess what is causing this despite the increase in nutritional knowledge. Of course older mothers don't help with that either since their bodies do produce worse progeny as a guideline (except for a few older mothers who eat exceptionally well, use massive orthomolecular supplements and have good genetics).

I have often repeated that I don't believe in static IQs of races or tribes. Give me enough time and power over the breeding pattern of a nation and I can probably make Somalia into a high-IQ nation. But my policies would be brutal and the few genius level Somalis would have 10 wives and 10 kids each - heh

Your intuition is in the right direction, much better than I would say 99%+ of people, and 90+% of this forum. The 1) you listed could explain it all, the 2-4) don't add anything signal-wise.

As to the second part I bolded--I also must "head-nod" the intuition. Indeed, the "races" are not fixed in their cognitive abilities.

Changes in allele frequencies can shift the average IQ of a population over time, easily. Evolution is always happening. Always!

Ashkenazi Jewish-IQ only became reputable in the past few centuries. Greeks went from smart... to dumb, in reputation. The Chinese bounced around in that arena a few times, although they have always had a reputation for relative tranquility.

What you are getting at is the heritability of IQ, and the "Breeder's Equation."

i.e. R = (h^2)(S).

Response to selection "R" is a function of heritability of a given trait (h^2), against the selective pressure you apply against it (S [difference in mean]). If you center and standardize everything... and you consider the S that would need to be applied to bring Somalia's average IQ in line with that of Ashkenazi's... you'll quickly realize it's impossible once you factor in diminishing marginal returns, and the fact that your lifetime is finite.

The h^2 will decrease with your application of eugenics.

You can probably make Somalia a bit genotypically smarter, sure. But like you wisely hedged in your own writing with "probably," you would reach diminishing returns very quickly.

Especially since h^2 is probably lower in Somalia due to poor nutrition, making it harder for you to pick the genetically smart individuals allowed to breed.

That is, the like I said, the h^2 would almost certainly fall. There are diminishing to everything. Good luck trying to make a population of Gibbons as jacked and big as a population of Gorillas, or making humans grow a scorpion's tale.

This has to do with standing variation--the variation that is already present in a population.

There is no guarantee that Somalians have in non-zero frequency the alleles that are beneficial to Eurasians in IQ--and no guarantee that Eurasians have in non-zero frequency the alleles that are deleterious to Somalians in IQ--and thus, no guarantee that selective breeding of Somalians would result in equal or surpassed IQ of gentile Whites, East Asians, Ashkenazis, etc.... much less in your lifetime.

There's just no guarantee that breeding Somalians for IQ would surpass White/Chinese/Ashkeazi IQ anymore (qualitatively-speaking) than would breeding a sub-group of humans to have more limbs than arachnids.

IQ is highly polygenic... i.e. perhaps millions of SNPs affect IQ. It's entirely possible that Somalians have 0% frequency of alleles that are positive-IQ drivers in whites and East Eurasians, and 100% of frequency of alleles that are negative-IQ driver in whites and East Eurasians.

Even if you or I had dictatorial powers, I do not believe we would be able to make Somalian IQ higher than that of Eurasians--even with Draconian measures like allowing only the top 10% in cognitive ability to breed (which, to my knowledge, has never occurred in any society to a widespread extent)--especially if we are confined to our lifetimes.

< Genes are not the Alpha and Omega that current science claims to be.

I am an advocate of pleomorphism, orthomolecular medicine, gene activation and deactivation and bio-magnetic & morphogenetic fields by the now rebel scientist Rupert Sheldrake. The discussion goes far too deep here.

Suffice it to say - when Ashkenazis can move from 90 to 114, then the Somalis can move from 68 to 98. Since there are a few Somalis with 130+ IQs, then it should be possible to raise the tribe to that level.

Comparisons of Bonobos to Gorillas are utterly wrong - those are completely different species. Those apes cannot breed with each other, while we can breed with Somalis.

My assumption are of fantastic nutrition, perfect water, toxin-free environment and food and also that the program is followed through past my lifetime since it takes generations to do so. For example we know that genes activate and deactivate with stimulation, we know from orthomolecular medicine that if pregnant women take in high-dosage supplements 2 months before pregnancy until 9 months, then the likelihood of birth defects is 98% diminished. There are many other factors that can increase IQ in aggregate.

As for the human tribes - I think the Aboriginies might be the only tribe unable to raise their IQ sufficiently unless they crosbreed with other tribes.

Even the globalists when coming to Africa clearly saw that some blacks were exceedingly intelligent on the level of Whites. We don't have to discuss the aggregate and average people there, because the reasons for the lower levels are known.

By that measure - we could equally breed the Chines into a muscular super-tall tribe if we advanced those speciments to outbreed the rest.

Also no terrible draconian measures would be needed. Very smart men would have 100 children, moderately intelligent men would have 10 and the majority would have 1 child. The smartest women would all go to the few male super-geniuses - at least breeding wise.

But of course nothing of that sort has been attempted. You can even take a slower path that guides the population more softly towards it - it would take just longer. A different question is how high the human IQ can go potentially? 120? 140? 150? 200? We simply don't know what happens when a tribe reaches 130 on average - the outliers will be even smarter than that. Currently there are no concentrated efforts by anyone to promote that.

The globalists are by the way not interested in a higher-IQ population. They want us all to be dumber, but them to be smarter.

Either way - too deep and off for this thread.

Germany is cucked and fucked:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-28...le-germany


Blonde is the new brown.



Erdogan is indeed the destroyer of democracy and the creator of a Caliphate, but the rest? They can be voted out any time.


Oh yeah - let us not forget the stupid "left behind" propaganda.

Aww,let's be *tolerant* and *understanding* you guys!
Germany's establishment is suffering of a bad case of projection,clearly seen in this carnival constructs!

-Blond is das neue braun:
A country of majoritively blond people hating themselves, super sayan hitler is present to drive the point

Demokratie worms: catterpillars that will become beautiful butterflies,notice that no german political name is present. Signaling the end of their era

Brexit: German establishment's ponzi scheme union is crumbling and Britain has now a commercial edge over them. Somebody else than the UK shot themselves at thinking that the only commercial compromise could be all or nothing.