Post: #51

(09-08-2016 11:43 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  "We mean, as long as the group or individual is a devout liberal or protected class of course. If Airbnb management doesn't like the political views of the groups or individuals, then they can be refused service."

This seems like a good opportunity for some shitlording. Where a Trump hat in your profile picture and accuse everyone who rejects you of discrimination.

Post: #52

tbh as a minority I'd rather get rejected by a host that doesn't want to host me because of the color of my skin, as opposed to being accepted by said person and having issues.

it's a free market, if a host rejects me, they just don't want me in their home. Why would I want to be in someone's home if they don't want me there?

if you reject me, I'll just find somewhere else to stay.. it's not that hard

Post: #53

They seem to forget one basic thing: It is your home, so you can decide to refuse entry to someone at your own discretion without having to provide an explanation.

It's a free market. The host owes you nothing. You should be grateful that he provides you with a place to stay.

So, if you get rejected, then just find another place.

Post: #54

Rawmeo, I agree with you but housing, the hotel business, etc is NOT a free market

In the spirit of free market though, AirBnb is a private business and can do whatever it wants. If AirBnb doesn't want someone on their who doesn't rent to Chinese people, then they can do that. It is their loss in the end. In my opinion, I would rent to anyone with good reviews regardless of race, etc..and from what I see AirBnB is still allowing you to discriminate against someone 0 reviews or even 1-5 reviews.

I think AirBnb is just covering their ass anyway. In the United States, there are many community organizations that look to sue people under the Civil Rights Act for unfair housing practices, ask anyone whose is a real estate agent, so I'd be very careful rejecting potential customers based on certain factors. Frankly though, you can probably get away with discrimination against someone for national origin or age without any recourse. You can discriminate against someone with a pet; the chances of you getting a blind guy with a seeing eye dog are slim to none.

There are many excuses you can come up with to not rent to someone anyway, be creative, you can always cancel on someone last minute, the guest pretty much has no rights other then his money back.

Post: #55

Just use some liberal repellant... a "Trump for President" banner on your profile photo should do it.

Post: #56

Your home, their platform. Don't like it? Go elsewhere.

The host doesn't owe you anything but at the same time the guest should've be grateful to the host, the guest owes him nothing. It's a business transaction in a free market, simple as that.

You need a place to stay as much as the host needs the money. Simple as that.

This is coming from a Airbnb user and host. Young Asians guests are my favorite, they're clean as fuck and polite. People on business are cool too. Haven't hosted any Indians yet but my "dirtiest" guests were a white couple. Calling them dirty would be exaggerating, they just left some dishes on the sink and towels on the floor like a hotel. They're repeat guests so It's whatever with them.

I don't want tranny fags cumming on my sheets but at the same time...the probability of having them would be small, and I simply priced them out.

Post: #57

I got the "community commitment" too. It says you don't need to sign it to keep the account, it will just be frozen after 5. november.

What if large numbers of shitlords just don't sign this? I won't sign mine until I really need airbnb again, after getting new accounts and checking competitors for similar offers. VRBO does something similar, any others? This seems like a good time to check out competing services, who are probably ready to capitalize on this, in addition to direct contact/connections or traditional places.

In typical leftist SJW-fashion, it's a one-way street with hair-raising treatment "the other way". I remember one particularly salty white knight lawyer who openly refused to rent to single males a few blocks away from here, because they might have sex there. That never caught anyone's attention.

Post: #58

(10-29-2016 06:26 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  They seem to forget one basic thing: It is your home, so you can decide to refuse entry to someone at your own discretion without having to provide an explanation.
It's a free market. The host owes you nothing. You should be grateful that he provides you with a place to stay.

I'd have to agree with godzilla on this one, remember Airbnb is technically a hotel service, when you agree to be a host, you actually "become" a hotel. that's why you're required to provide towels, toothbrush, etc.
But all in all, this is a silly agreement that makes Airbnb cover their asses, they don't want to receive hate for people getting rejected so they put all of the blame on the landlord. *shrug*
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Post: #59

I just got this notice from AirBnB today; I guess they're releasing it in stages. But the part that struck me is how they want to "promote diversity" How? By playing gotcha games with who we get tricked into letting stay at our places?

(09-08-2016 12:31 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I don't know how you guys can let randoms get posted up in your homes.

Maybe if I had a separate place that i'm letting out that I don't live in, but no way that i'm going to let someone I don't know stay there.

Exactly. If I have a place that I don't use often and would like to make some cash/cover the mortgage with an occasional AirBnB renter, that's great, but you know what? It's still my place and I am not in the full time lodging business.

If I don't like the way they look or worse, the attitudes they pull during Q&A before they stay (this is the easiest way to filter out problem/fussy guests), then they're outta there. If I can't even get a picture of the person I let into my place, sorry no can do. Fuck it - I'm better off taking my chances with filtering through the recently released parolees over at Craigslist.

I'm beginning to wonder if a good number of the complaints about discrimination are really nothing more than sock puppets set up by the hotel industry looking to harm AirBnB's business. If so, I have to admit it's working - I am less likely to want to consider being an AirBnB host without a reasonable level of control over my property.

EDIT: I think I found an easy way out for a host. Here is the part you are supposed to agree to:

Quote:What is the Community Commitment?
"You commit to treat everyone—regardless of race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation or age—with respect, and without judgment or bias."

Ok - do you see anything in there about withholding judgement over a political viewpoint, belief or opinion? Neither do I.
Therefore, All you need to do to screen guests is something like this:

Host: "Man what an election season - I wish Obama could just run again and we'd be done with it!"

Prospective guest 1: "No kidding, right? He's awesome! Trump's an idiot." (denied)

Prospective guest 2: "Mmm. what? uh, yeah ok. How much is the place, again? (accepted)

Prospective guest 3: "I've been busting my ass on the Trump campaign - it's tiring, but it'll be over soon (comped!)

Post: #60

(09-10-2016 01:10 PM)Sandstorm Wrote:  I was trying to find an article about some guy who made a portfolio of stocks to short sell any company that put "diversity" at the top of its agenda - he killed it, made a fortune! Couldn't find it but found this instead - on the same theme:

http://gotnews.com/the-end-of-nflx/

That reminds me - a while back someone suggested compiling a list of publicly held companies headed by females. If Carly Fiorina, Ellen Pao and Melissa Meyer are typical examples of what happens with female leadership, those companies absolutely could be good short plays.

Post: #61

(10-30-2016 11:20 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  Ok - do you see anything in there about withholding judgement over a political viewpoint, belief or opinion? Neither do I.

Or you could just attempt to stay at one of the numerous FEMALE ONLY listings, invariably get denied, then complain to Airbnb (or sue) for discrimination.
Hell, I view this turn of events as a hilariously good thing and good way to troll all these FEMALE ONLY listings imo.
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Post: #62

(10-31-2016 09:59 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 11:20 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  Ok - do you see anything in there about withholding judgement over a political viewpoint, belief or opinion? Neither do I.

Or you could just attempt to stay at one of the numerous FEMALE ONLY listings, invariably get denied, then complain to Airbnb (or sue) for discrimination.
Hell, I view this turn of events as a hilariously good thing and good way to troll all these FEMALE ONLY listings imo.
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Good idea! I think I will have to try this and see what happens next time I'm in Waikiki. Several well known and very affordable female only units there. Airbnb predictable response will likely be "Oh, we didn't mean that kind of discrimination". Will report back.

Post: #63

Sorry GeneralMacDaddy and Cyclone, Airbnb should have some court cases the next few years but according to the Fair Housing Act, you ARE allowed to discriminate against another sex if you live in the house, or if the apartment is 4 units or less and you own and live in the building. (you can never with race.) Usually those FEMALES ONLY listings are for a private rooms or shared bedrooms. For a full apartment though, that would be a different story.

Gender based discrimination in housing is almost never enforced though for males. For example, with college aged kids, Landlords often prefer females tenants and will discriminate against males, since males are far more likely to have parties and fuck up the house.

Post: #64

(10-31-2016 09:59 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  Or you could just attempt to stay at one of the numerous FEMALE ONLY listings, invariably get denied, then complain to Airbnb (or sue) for discrimination.

Suing usually seeks a remedy or damages of which there may not be any realistic one for rentals that may wind up costing under $2K. One could certainly complain but that is as far as it might get unless one has the time and $$ to burn in potential futility (see below)

(09-10-2016 11:24 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  This all stemmed from the twitter post a few months back that some Afro-American college kid compiled a list of host that lied about reasons why he couldn't stay there. Not uncommon, but his garnered a lot of attention and now we have this.

The Harvard study probably did it over the tweet, as did a potential class lawsuit (said to be appealed) that hit a dead end early this month.

Post: #65

airbnb is now an experiences sharing company.

So basically the host can share his social circle with you, or show u around the city for a charge.
These things should be free but they are monetising it now. Good idea to make money, but if it's all about money it will be different

With Trips, AirBnB sets out its grandest plan yet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38025227

Post: #66

I just got "The Agreement", basically some SJW-tirade you had to swear on. But the result was actually positive: The last Airbnb splash screen was some kind of bundle of happenings in different cities for angry minority women and the odd twisted WASP every time you logged in. Ultra annoying. Now it starts right at the search bar again.

My take on this politically correct effort is Airbnb is being really pressured by groups like Black Girls Code who push the belief that minority women are excluded as top 1% engineers and computer wizards in top companies because they're the wrong sex and colour, not because they're just not that good. Like they wouldn't hire lizards that were genius coders.

Airbnb can't afford to have these drags in their development teams or as top executives, because that will give other companies the advantage they need to outcompete them. They're also based in the US, and they're subject to US and international housing discrimination laws. So instead Airbnb launches this series of campaigns that's exctremely visible, but basically they don't change anything. Smart way to make nothing look like something... Or maybe not. We'll see.

Anyway, what's the best Airbnb-alternative?

Post: #67

(02-22-2017 06:12 AM)Lechon Wrote:  Anyway, what's the best Airbnb-alternative?

Marriott. Love building up points for free stays. They're better operated than Hilton and with the SPG acquisition, they now have the most hotels of any chain, world wide.

Post: #68

(02-22-2017 08:37 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 06:12 AM)Lechon Wrote:  Anyway, what's the best Airbnb-alternative?

Marriott. Love building up points for free stays. They're better operated than Hilton and with the SPG acquisition, they now have the most hotels of any chain, world wide.

If you can afford to live at Marriott or someone pays for it, good for you. I also hear you can get very good deals in the US if you're a regular customer. But 5 star hotels aren't really competing directly with airbnb, the only service you get with airbnb is the cleaning you pay extra for. And some people like 5 star hotels, others don't. I think they're sterile and stiff, removed from the places I came to see, and I'd take a pimpin' 200 m2 penthouse from airbnb any day for the price of a 5 star executive suite.

Post: #69

Found a perfect vacation rental on airbnb. $200 per night, plus a shit ton of "fees". Total cost about $550. Looked up the owner's site and contacted directly, being careful to avoid mention of airbnb. Still $200 per night, but total cost now = $400 exactly.

Fuck you, once great airbnb! May your bankruptcy, shareholder lawsuits, and SEC crackdowns soon come, you miserable SJW dicklickers!

Post: #70

(02-23-2017 01:19 AM)Lechon Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 08:37 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 06:12 AM)Lechon Wrote:  Anyway, what's the best Airbnb-alternative?

Marriott. Love building up points for free stays. They're better operated than Hilton and with the SPG acquisition, they now have the most hotels of any chain, world wide.

If you can afford to live at Marriott or someone pays for it, good for you. I also hear you can get very good deals in the US if you're a regular customer. But 5 star hotels aren't really competing directly with airbnb, the only service you get with airbnb is the cleaning you pay extra for. And some people like 5 star hotels, others don't. I think they're sterile and stiff, removed from the places I came to see, and I'd take a pimpin' 200 m2 penthouse from airbnb any day for the price of a 5 star executive suite.

It's not for everyone, sure, but keep in mind most of their properties are not five star. Courtyard is pretty middle of the road, and there's other Marriott brands that are even cheaper. In a city with a big event going on, AirBnB prices will often sell at the same rate as the regular hotels. Also not likely that if you reserve with Marriott that they will cancel on you at the last minute as some AirBnB operators do.

Post: #71

So is there really no decent Airbnb-alternative? Are there no redpiller sharks out there ready to cash in on the SJW-pandering of airbnb? Maybe we are doomed then, as men. Unable to even grab the stacks of cash that lie in front of us as our enemies plunder and mock our sorry existences...

But look! Here are some alternatives.

Alternative 1 - VRBO
Alternative 2 - Homestay
Alternative 3 - HomeAway
Alternative 4 - Wimdu
Alternative 5 - Roomarama
Alternative 6 - Flipkey
Alternative 7 - Go With Oh
Alternative 8 - OneFineStay

http://www.findingtheuniverse.com/2016/0...irbnb.html

(02-23-2017 11:56 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  It's not for everyone, sure, but keep in mind most of their properties are not five star. Courtyard is pretty middle of the road, and there's other Marriott brands that are even cheaper. In a city with a big event going on, AirBnB prices will often sell at the same rate as the regular hotels. Also not likely that if you reserve with Marriott that they will cancel on you at the last minute as some AirBnB operators do.

Ok, so they're more of a mid-upper level hotel chain. I like those sometimes, and if I lived in the US where they're higher value I'd use 'em more. But in Asia there's often a big difference between local housing and international hotel chains both in price and in the way you live. Sometimes you want the convenience and professionalism of a good hotel, other times you want the airbnb prices, local proximity or whatever. So it's good to have sources for both.

Post: #72

I think people are exaggerating a little on this thread. Sure, Airbnb is paying lip service to the usual SJW stuff but that's only because they believe it will make them more money.

I'm a fairly established and successful Superhost on Airbnb in Asia. I accept and reject people as I see fit, but guess what? I wouldn't say no to someone purely because they were black or gay. Why would I care? I'm only interested in the revenue and risk factor.

For me I look at the whole context of where they are from, prior reviews and our interaction in the initial exchange. So far I'm yet to have had a negative experience with Airbnb and I'm managing multiple properties.

If I decide on rejecting someone I look for a diplomatic reason to do so. Never put anything in writing that could get you in trouble. It's their platform. They make the rules.

For the record, I've had guests from Africa, 3rd world Asian countries and Eastern Europe. If anything they tended to be less trouble and better educated than the average westerners. The worst guests are western women. No surprises there.

Post: #73

Right Bushido, as an investor you care about the bottom line, as do almost every professional investor. But in countries like the US, some minorities are a lot more likely to be those rejectable clients who have payment warnings, suspisciously short histories with few credible reviews etc., because those minorities have a lower average income. This can be proven statistically if you just have the data, and it can be twitter-stormed about like it was a while ago, #airbnbwhileblack.

Worst of all, it can be sued for billions in class action suits under very favourable laws. It's just a plattform after all, and people will use the most efficient one. But if it looks like airbnb really are trying harder than most, and have campaign after campaign with a billion page views, it's harder to win a court case against them on the basis that they're discriminating.

Airbnb is in real trouble compared to other (Internet) companies because they are US-based and operate under US housing laws, which typically strongly favour the tenant in any country, but in US in particular is enclined to give huge settlements for discrimination suits. And worst of all there is a real basis for a discrimination suit, and even if it's not actual discrimination, it's close enough for bunch of scheisters to win a case about it. So they really need to show they take this seriously if they don't want to risk the company. But if Airbnb actually does something about it except talk and branding, ie. force owners to accept tenants or punish them if they don't, the owners will start to leave.

Bushido, if you're not registered in a Western country, maybe you don't see much of it. These things tend to be highly geographically limited. Did you or other people get the depressed looking transsexual albino long haired synth player on the splash page for months? And the search engine itself was hidden away from all these groups of local SJW-activities you had to see first?

Post: #74

Lechon,

Most of my guests come from the US or Europe so there have been plenty of minorities and homosexuals who want to stay. We had a guest who I'm pretty sure was a tranny come stay in one of the units. No problems because she was a reasonable person.

Like I said, I assess each person on a case-by-case basis. If they are sketchy I reject them, including minorities but also roudy looking white males and so on. It all depends. If someone is weird in the messages that's a big red flag. This isn't me being PC that's just my policy. I'm interested in making money whether the guest is a Hillary supporter means nothing. Why would I give a shit? I could possibly see renting back home might mean lower class/higher criminal element. In that case I would go ahead and reject someone if they had a lack of reviews or negative feedback. You just need a rational reason to reject. Worst case scenario you just make up something like "decorations" being done or you forgetting to update the calendar. Also note that the Airbnb system insures hosts for damages up to a very large amount if shit eventually does hit the fan. Unless the rules change in the future, for now nobody is being "forced" to host anyone.

Hope that makes sense.

Post: #75

I had avoided using Airbnb for various reasons but finally gave it a try.

First two places I booked in Sao Paulo my booking went through. But the female hosts messaged asking me to cancel because I was a man. One lady said "I am afraid of all men". Another replied "Machist!" when I said you're being prejudiced.

I don't even know how it's legal, but whatever Airbnb. Just put a pink female icon on those listings. Or have a button I can click to remove them from my map. Should the burden really fall on me?

So I finally got a place with a male host who is pretty cool and super nice. It's a shared apt with my own room. I thought it'd be just me most of the time since he works. But his GF is always here all day working on her PhD in the living room. So there's never any privacy. The wifi is total shit and his cats are always climbing all over me.

Today I really had to get work done and used the living room. My room is small and the cleaning lady was in my space. So really no choice.

One of his two overly friendly cats chewed the wires on my computer! Both the main power brick and two USB data cables.

The cables still work but there are bite marks and the rubber casings are pierced in several places. I caught the cat in the act, luckily.

I wasn't going to say anything. Just moved my shit back to the room and closed the door. Later I thought the wires could stop working soon. Probably better to at least mention what happened.

Texted the owner. He says the cats are here with me. I said yeah it was earlier. He did see me abruptly get up and move my stuff back to the room.

He says please take care this house has cats. I responded that it's no ones fault. I didn't even want to bring it up. But the cat did cause damage to my computer. Just got a from him.

I contacted Airbnb. They pointed me to the resolution center. The form is a direct request for money from the host! I thought they'd have some insurance...

I have a week left here. It's going to be super awkward. I'm not sure if it's worth making a big deal about it. But replacing the wires could be a hundred bucks or so...

Anyone been in a similar situation?