kirdiesel if you want to air about white lizards, feel free. Better out than in. I personally don't see the hype but to each their own. Perhaps I don't have adequate empathy for the brothas who make that a sole quest. That's cool cos I have a black obsession and that may also seem equally irrational but I can't help it.

I am actually not bad with white lizards because it's easy for me to produce the corny shyt that they lap up. I drilled an American blonde in Beantown doing some silly nasal American impressions. She laughed and laughed. Afterwards, I told her to feel my pythons (my guns are one of my prominent physical features). She did and consequently permitted me to ransack her fishpot on her rickety futon.

I have been to New York twice. First time I partied at poisson rouge in the Village (didn't know the Village was the chichi man hub, thought Big L was just making up stuff **village without dykes or the Bulls without Mike**). Anyway, poisson rouge was teeming with prospects.

2nd time in NYC, I was there for two weeks. I PM'd Archie for info in which he dropped some excellent intel and I also met up with an RVF forum member, Clint Barton, who really took care of me. I spoke to different lizards during that time including white and I wasn't getting that anti-brotha vibe. However, I am not a NY native and I do have a foreign accent so maybe I got the panda pass.

@WestIndianArchie I was born in DC. And grew up in So Cal. But it's uncanny because my last couple bangs are white girls from New York. Just wanted to say you're game advice changed my life thank you.

(02-22-2017 09:57 AM)Moma Wrote:  kirdiesel if you want to air about white lizards, feel free. Better out than in. I personally don't see the hype but to each their own. Perhaps I don't have adequate empathy for the brothas who make that a sole quest. That's cool cos I have a black obsession and that may also seem equally irrational but I can't help it.

I am actually not bad with white lizards because it's easy for me to produce the corny shyt that they lap up. I drilled an American blonde in Beantown doing some silly nasal American impressions. She laughed and laughed. Afterwards, I told her to feel my pythons (my guns are one of my prominent physical features). She did and consequently permitted me to ransack her fishpot on her rickety futon.

I have been to New York twice. First time I partied at poisson rouge in the Village (didn't know the Village was the chichi man hub, thought Big L was just making up stuff **village without dykes or the Bulls without Mike**). Anyway, poisson rouge was teeming with prospects.

2nd time in NYC, I was there for two weeks. I PM'd Archie for info in which he dropped some excellent intel and I also met up with an RVF forum member, Clint Barton, who really took care of me. I spoke to different lizards during that time including white and I wasn't getting that anti-brotha vibe. However, I am not a NY native and I do have a foreign accent so maybe I got the panda pass.

Moma's hilarious lexicon aside, I'll add my 2c as a black guy who lives in NYC.

When I hear guys say it's hard for black guys in NYC to get girls, all I can do is chuckle because my experience has been the opposite.

I can't tell you how many times I've gone to Central Park and leave with at least 5 numbers simply by playing frisbee with a group of white lizards. Or by opening some girl reading a book. Or by prowling the campuses of NYU and Colombia. Or by opening up a girl who's waiting for the train. I can't speak on clubs because I don't night game, but day gaming here, especially in the summer, is heaven. Last August I was consistently going out with girls every other week and the majority of them were non-black.

There's a music festival called Governors Ball coming up that I attend every year and it's like shooting fish in a barrel there. There are so many concerts, places to visit (SoHo is one of my favorite stomping grounds), and things to do that will put you in proximity with girls of all races that it's literally impossible not to have a reasonably good sex life in NYC. You won't get pussy just by virtue of living here, but if you're willing to put in the work, go out every other week, you'll be rewarded.

I'm moving to Austin soon but NYC will always be one of my favorite cities. I have no doubt you'll love it here, Excelsior.

(02-22-2017 06:26 AM)PrimeTime32 Wrote:  As a black guy who grew up banging white girls some of yall making this too complicated. The best game is to run bad boy don't give a fuck game make them laugh. Like the shit they see on TV. They wanna just fuck mostly they are not long term relationship material just have fun with them. Hit the gym because white chick's love black dudes with muscles.

I think it is that simple.

Moral of Excelsior's story - don't be a Richard, be the guy she craves for.

That story was very similar to the Iceberg Slim bio, his mother had a "Richard" and left town with a bad boy who put her in hospital.
If you haven't read that biography, please do it is highly recommended.

I don't blame women who play this game, they want the best suitor and have grown up all their lives being told how pretty and wonderful they are. I know a few women like this and again they never got over the "alpha" cad, who sold them the dream but never delivered.

The sad truth is that a lot of women end up alone and only the small minority of them stay happily married til death. What are the chances that is going to happen with the Tinder generation of today!

Yes Karma can be a bitch, but I am not dwelling on these girls or chasing them to worry what happens to them down the road.

^^ rudebwoy raises some interesting points. When I think about it, many very attractive women I grew up with are now either alone or unhappy. Personally, I think it all goes back to their relationship (or lack thereof) with their father. Another reason to avoid women who lacked a strong father figure in their life.

(02-22-2017 04:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I agree with you Excelsior and I think what you wrote was quite eloquent, but I wouldn't exactly take solace in the fact that "cosmic justice" will be visited upon girls who wronged you. Not telling you how to feel or anything but it just seems bitter to think that way. I think that sort of attitude coincides with bitterness.

I won't argue with that. Such a mindset does tend to coincide with bitterness and, even beyond all that, it isn't a terribly productive or positive way to spend one's energy.

This isn't my mindset personally and I'm not saying every guy out there should make it theirs. I remember those who have treated me cruelly but I've made a point of moving on, up, and away from them, not simply stewing in hopes they "get theirs" so I can have my "revenge" - that's why I eventually found my way to this forum and dedicated myself to self improvement, travel, and other means of bettering my situation.

That cruel treatment motivates me, but not in the sense that I'm hoping for their failure - rather, it motivates me to be more successful myself. In that sense, I suppose I am seeking some form of vengeance, but that vengeance comes purely in the form of my own success and building myself into the absolute best I can be. She may never get her "comeuppance", but I will greatly improve myself and prove once and for all to myself and anyone who meets me from that point forward, that I'm worthy of better treatment than what I got from her. The girl who treated me that way may never know what I achieve, but at the end of the day the successes (economic, personal, social, professional, etc) I build in the wake of their treatment cancels out any negative treatment I suffered and proves how unwarranted it was.

Basically, female cruelty (and male too, but that's a different story for another post lol) has put a chip on my shoulder. I've been using it to good effect for pretty much all my adult life now. Part of the fuel comes from the gnawing feeling that if I don't excel (and, more so, if I fail instead), I feel like I've proven that those who treated me a certain way were right to do so. That's the last thing I ever want to do.

I recommend all men focus on that approach - success is the best revenge, IMO. Use cruelty as a fuel for your own growth, not as an excuse to sit and stew. Even if a certain individual who caused that cruelty never gets that direct comeuppance, it is always good to know that your own life (via your success) is a direct refutation of their cruel/dismissive treatment and to know that you've personally risen above that level.

I mention the story I mentioned not to suggest that everyone begin hoping for cosmic justice as the be all/end all and sit/stew waiting for their tormentor to start crying, but simply to let folks know that, contrary to popular belief, it does exist. Some women do get their comeuppance and they do connect that to some men in their past. You shouldn't be counting on that comeuppance (because that isn't productive, many women never see it, and, in the cases where they do, you'll almost certainly never know when a woman has received said comeuppance because she won't tell you), but it does exist in some cases. That's all.

Quote:On the white girl question:

I come from an environment where my dad, grand dad and uncle would joke constantly about how slutty and easy white girls were so I have always felt VERY entitled to white girls since they led by example. My dad even told me, "you're gonna like them for a while then they're gonna get weird on you and you're gonna stop chasing them."

Prophetic.

Quote:He was totally right. But I tend to find that black dudes from more hood environments seem to do well with white girls simply because they don't give a shit. I am not hood but a large portion of my family comes from a pretty hood city so I think their attitude about white girls definitely left a mark on me til this day.

That's a key issue. Guys raised in the sort of way I was have a tendency to just give too many fucks. It's hard to shed this tendency - I'm working on it and have definitely released a few fucks in recent years, but I still think I give more than I should. Never had that inner city/ghetto influence in my life to imbue me with the no-fucks-given mentality I think one really needs to thrive in this particular dating market.

Quote:A big problem with many american white girls is that they innately see themselves as higher than black dudes and that can cause a lot of problems sadly.

This shit's infuriating but, again, it can work as good fuel for self-improvement if you can turn it around and see it for the BS it is rather than letting it trap you in self-deprecating anger/misery. I've often used that treatment (both individually and from a wider societal perspective) as motivation for my own growth. There's even a piece of me that kind of enjoys fucking with them now and countering preconceived notions of men who look like me.

Observe these basic Long Island-looking white chicks WIA posted earlier:


I know these types of women well - they're pretty much the default in every major city in the Northeast corridor. The ones I run into are usually in the 24-28 range, did their high school in some NYC-metro (LI, NJ, or CT) suburb, graduated on to schools like Hofstra or Fordham, majored in marketing or business strategy, and make $55-80k a year working some gig in the city (paralegal, marketing, etc, etc).

As kirdiesel noted earlier, these are prime "I ain't fucking with you"-type chicks for any black male walking around the city. Why? Because they not only live in their all-white worlds as WIA notes, but because, subconsciously or consciously, they look down on black men. You're beneath them. They're the prize and, as far as they are concerned, you can't earn them.

I know that when I get near them they're expecting me to have a certain kind of background and professional career with a certain amount of money (read: inferior to them or, at least, inferior to the men they consider "worthy"). They have their high and mighty idea of me and what I probably am, and that's how they've formed their conclusions about their superiority to me and men like me.

Then they're slowly exposed (usually not directly by me, but through casual observation or through conversation with those who know me) to everything in my life that contradicts their preconceived notions. My academic pedigree is superior to theirs, my place is nicer than theirs, my job is more prestigious than theirs, and I make as much money as any one of them and their 2 to 3 roomies combined. None of the men she's looking past me for (because they "look the part") are even on my level professionally, financially, etc.

It fucks with them and their prejudicial BS, and I love that. It isn't even so much that I want to get at them after they've realized all the above. Quite the contrary - as I said earlier, I'm kinda tired of these chicks. The prevalence of this higher-than-thou mentality among so many white American females should, in my mind, have a lot of black men (no matter how successful they are) questioning the wisdom of putting a lot of effort into chasing down white American women. Shit's seeming less and less worth it to me every day.

But I still love fucking with their heads. I know that the more I improve and excel in all measures, the more their world view gets fucked with. At a certain point, my entire existence is effectively trolling them. Every so often, I get the pleasure on a night out/social event of seeing their faces/body language as the realization of just how off their prejudicial BS was dawns on them. I'm not gonna lie, I enjoy that.

Quote:I wish I had more to share on bagging white girls. I know way more about bagging asians (specifically mainland Chinese) these days.

Might have to pick up some of that intel later. Gotta get my ass out east.

Just thought of the irony of the women you described above. As black men we fight the same internal financial/Professional/class perception battle at times when dealing with women of color.

The need to defy confirmation bias comes from both sides

@Excelsior

Them long island bitches

No bang or no relationship?

And coming at that chick as a stranger, peer, or superior?

Cause them LI type chicks require strategy as much as the experimental college girls, the hipster chicks, and the fresh out the hijab Muslimas.

WIA

(02-22-2017 01:01 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Just thought of the irony of the women you described above. As black men we fight the same internal financial/Professional/class perception battle at times when dealing with women of color.

The need to defy confirmation bias comes from both sides

Agreed!

That's why we remain the most underestimated, potentially lethal demographic on the planet. I love getting slept on, in corporate, academia, and social environments. I never ask a chick what she does, and I'm rarely upfront when asked, they must discover it on their own.

I've been thinking about experimenting with the Mode One method on YT chicks I'd like to bang. It seems right in line with our respective desires. Pure NSA sex. I'm not looking to introduce you to my moms, marry or have kids with you either. Just slang this BBC.

Those Long Island girls are the absolute worst.

Most of the time they are from Nassau County and sometimes Suffolk.

If they are of Italian or Jewish decent don't even waste your time. Of course I have tried these girls as well as I have every single avenue in NY to get what I want. The most success I've had with these types of girls have been "Irish" girls. I also knew another brother who dated white on the island as well. He got one decent looking Irish girl and subsequently wifed her up (literally) and today they are still married. He knew better and kept his ass put once he got "a chance".

He had a best friend who is a little overweight and last time I checked he is still struggling.

Many years ago when I was in a LTR with a Polish blonde 8+ I brought her with me to a BBQ in Nassau county I was invited to out there. Of course I was the only brother there and when I showed up with her people's mouths dropped! A lot of guys stared at her and seemed surprised. I was invited by a good friend of mine and after we left he said people asked if that was really my girl and how long we had been together etc etc etc.

Like Excelsior said. It crashes their world when they expect certain behaviors out of you and you defy all the stereotypes of what they think you should be.

I'm confused, y'all trying to bang or be her boyfriend?

WIA

(02-22-2017 02:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'm confused, y'all trying to bang or be her boyfriend?

WIA

Me at this point:

Maybe corny to say but goal for me at this point is LTR leading to marriage. Not immediately of course but I am pretty much ready leave the main area of game and head into relationship game. I won't however settle for some garbage broad because she's white. I refuse to sell myself short.

In the meantime I have no problems banging whatever decent ass comes my way.

I heard Jewish white lizards are the easiest to poke. In my personal experience, my fastest smashes have been white Jew lizard. There was also a place in Hull which borders the province of Quebec and Ontario that was teeming with Jewish lizards. I was recommended there by a black bouncer in Montreal. He said go for the Jewish lizards, they love black male meat. He wasn't lying. It must be different in New York then.

First white LTR I had was with an American Jewish girl actually.

Had two white notches prior, but this third was the first I wanted to wife up/successfully wifed up.

Easily my worst LTR.

The way I read this current conservation

Two types of black guys
- hoods - the real
- suits/nerds - the fake

Two types of white chicks
- crazy for brothers
- secret Klan members

Two situations
- social circle chicks
- random club broads

Real life isn't so, excuse the pun, black and white, especially in NYC.

Who here has pulled a chick at a house party that you'd have a hard time getting next to at models and bottles type night club?

You started banging an Indian chick because you have one class together?

The sure thing that wasn't
The hot chick that was sweet and not a bitch.

To get the most use out of the technical aspect of the game, your worldview, philosophy, mind set and self image determine your success

WIA

WIA, I think the key that I can take away from your advice is always be ready. Don't assume that any situation is out of bounds, many guys are only ready to hunt when the night club lights switch on. I have banged a lizard in a house party, I never even expected it, I just had my wood ready and was able to deploy it accordingly. I didn't use any game, I was merely present and not an incorrigible goof (which may be game in itself).

(02-22-2017 03:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The way I read this current conservation

Two types of black guys
- hoods - the real
- suits/nerds - the fake

To get the most use out of the technical aspect of the game, your worldview, philosophy, mind set and self image determine your success

If you don't have a high self image, then you are defeated before you even start.

My results increased exponentially when I became more "black" in my actions. I could never pull off the hood look but I changed towards a more casual style. Suit game doesn't work for me where I live, people get intimidated.

Most white girls are into you for the physical not the mental. The ego will have you thinking that she likes me for this, when deep down she has been wondering how you are in bed the first time she laid eyes on you.

Intelligence in a black man scares them off, best not to talk too much and play dumb. I have seen plenty of brothas talk too much to try and impress white lizards with their "intelligence". Trust me her panties aren't coming off by you talking about your degree/MBA etc.

I had a white sugar mommy once, I was young. She use to ramble on about her money and how much she spent. I would always act impressed while thinking what is the big deal. One day she dropped me home, when she saw my parents house was double the size of her house. I never heard from her again. Lesson Learnt.

I like white girls myself, they are easy. They are open minded and experimental in the bedroom. The problem is once the lust wears off, I get tired of them because I don't really have much in common with them.

I have also been in the game for 3 decades now, so I talk from experience.

(02-22-2017 01:27 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Excelsior

Them long island bitches

No bang or no relationship?

I don't seek relationships with those kinds of women any more unless I get a very clear sense that they're out of the norm (and that pretty much never happens). Generally, I find kirdiesel's "10000% stay away from those" advice to be accurate in this regard.
I would smash, but not expecting much more. Even that isn't worth the effort when other women with less BS in their heads are around.

Quote:And coming at that chick as a stranger, peer, or superior?
Cause them LI type chicks require strategy as much as the experimental college girls, the hipster chicks, and the fresh out the hijab Muslimas.

WIA

They're not worth the effort.

(02-22-2017 02:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'm confused, y'all trying to bang or be her boyfriend?

WIA

Historically? Boyfriend. That was my mindset.

Today? Not expecting much more than a smash in an absolute best case scenario, and generally not even bothering with that. Again, as you noted, they require tremendous strategic investment and I no longer believe that they're worth that effort.

(02-22-2017 12:37 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  Then they're slowly exposed (usually not directly by me, but through casual observation or through conversation with those who know me) to everything in my life that contradicts their preconceived notions. My academic pedigree is superior to theirs, my place is nicer than theirs, my job is more prestigious than theirs, and I make as much money as any one of them and their 2 to 3 roomies combined. None of the men she's looking past me for (because they "look the part") are even on my level professionally, financially, etc.

It fucks with them and their prejudicial BS, and I love that. It isn't even so much that I want to get at them after they've realized all the above. Quite the contrary - as I said earlier, I'm kinda tired of these chicks. The prevalence of this higher-than-thou mentality among so many white American females should, in my mind, have a lot of black men (no matter how successful they are) questioning the wisdom of putting a lot of effort into chasing down white American women. Shit's seeming less and less worth it to me every day.

You should hide your intelligence and money. Pretend that you are a hood black guy. Then she will ask you what you do or what college you went to. Then casually drop it like its nothing. That will shatter her view on the world. Don't brag about your intelligence. I've tried that before. It never works on white girls. They don't care.

You should always act unimpressed by a girls achievements. I was chatting with a girl who was accepted by Harvard this past weekend. I wasn't phased at all by it. I treated it the same way I would treat a girl who said that Pizza was her favorite food. With no care at all.

Ironically you stand a better chance of becoming her boyfriend if you act like you're just trying to bang.

Jew girls are usually down in my opinion and often like a dude with a bit of education to his name. They are also usually quite conversational and love that black wit.

I would not write them off.

A lot of this depends on your vibe though. I can see Excelsior going into some pretty deep territory while musing at the bar haha. I try to keep it light with the lizards. Most girls aren't ready to talk about how pathocracy and psychopathy are ruining the government and all that stuff.

Not saying the smart guys in here talk about that stuff, but definitely wanna steer the conversation in a fun/flirty direction when you're in NYC. NYC chicks are fast and lose attention easily. The quicker you get physical the better.

On what sort of "black" to be:

I don't think you need to act thug/ghetto to get chicks. I sure as fuck didn't/don't. I'm hardly high society but when I tell people i'm from Newark (especially other blacks) they go "NO WAY! YOU'RE NOT FROM NEWARK!"

Sure, a lot of chicks will disqualify you from the gate, but I don't know about but I tend not to like those sorts of chicks anyway. Maybe it's sour grapes but I've hit the point where if a chick is acting snotty I'm out. I have seen the other side of the world where chicks don't have these sorts of shitty attitudes and I don't even get angry. I'm just out. That goes quadruple for some rando white chick.


I suppose I relate more to archie on the white girls issue: I like alternative style chicks. Chicks into rock, punk, metal, the arts, and festivals tend to treat me a lot better than randos at the club. I'm usually one of the few black guys there who knows about the music and it creates an instant connection when I can rattle off CDs and track titles all day while we talk. I just feel like i'm dealing with people I actually WANT to deal with when i'm talking to those sorts of girls as opposed to the "i'm going to waer all black to the club and get lit!!11!" types of Scotts-Irish/basic white girls.

I would suggest trying out the festival scene in NYC. I imagine guys like Kirdiesel and Excelsior would have far better results in a more chill environment than the chaotic NYC clubs. Also, any niche where you have a hobby is super useful. I sometimes am able (believe it or not) to snipe chinese gym chicks in the mainland because of my participation in fitness groups on wechat.

I would also suggest reaching out to the NYC RVF crew. Lots of NYC veterans of all colours who probably could add a thing or two.

(02-22-2017 09:25 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  Ive been in NYC almost a year now and Id love to know which girls i have the easiest time with. Dont really care what race.

However I am starting to notice a pattern of great reactions from educated, college attending, young black women. Particularly the ones with natural hair. I need to hit up one of those "napptural" events.

I guess I have the best cold approach results from girls who look like a girl version of me Lol

Are white girls really more likely to have a fling with a black man like me?

(not "ghetto", slim but not skinny, easy going, like to have fun, have been told i speak very well by all kinds of people)

Guess ill have to try and find out.

I just wanna narrow down and find my easy-lay "fishbowl" like roosh says.

Kirdiesel mentioned Germany and i totally forgot about visiting there. Always wanted to go. Maybe ill do either there or Japan later in the year

You'll be good be you and be a man and take yours not rape thought hhaha..

(02-22-2017 08:20 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:37 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  Then they're slowly exposed (usually not directly by me, but through casual observation or through conversation with those who know me) to everything in my life that contradicts their preconceived notions. My academic pedigree is superior to theirs, my place is nicer than theirs, my job is more prestigious than theirs, and I make as much money as any one of them and their 2 to 3 roomies combined. None of the men she's looking past me for (because they "look the part") are even on my level professionally, financially, etc.

It fucks with them and their prejudicial BS, and I love that. It isn't even so much that I want to get at them after they've realized all the above. Quite the contrary - as I said earlier, I'm kinda tired of these chicks. The prevalence of this higher-than-thou mentality among so many white American females should, in my mind, have a lot of black men (no matter how successful they are) questioning the wisdom of putting a lot of effort into chasing down white American women. Shit's seeming less and less worth it to me every day.

You should hide your intelligence and money. Pretend that you are a hood black guy. Then she will ask you what you do or what college you went to. Then casually drop it like its nothing. That will shatter her view on the world. Don't brag about your intelligence. I've tried that before. It never works on white girls. They don't care.

Few things:

1. Never lead with money or academic pedigree. This is not something I do. That's the guaranteed path to simpdom and other manners of cuckery. The key is the concept of passive value, which is described very well in this post. You don't brag about what you have, you imply it (or let other people who are in both your social circles do it for you). The idea is to let her connect the dots without you explicitly leading the way. This is vastly more effective (and impactful) than running around bragging and connecting them for her. Implying success is generally much more powerful than explicitly leading with it or bragging about it.

There's no need to hide your success. The key is just understanding how to reveal it. The better you get at displaying passive value, the more of an asset your success becomes in the game generally (and the more effective the prejudicial world-view shattering trolling that I described above).

2. Be who you are. If you're not a "hood black guy", don't run around pretending to be one. The effort needed to pull that off (and for me and many others, it would require A LOT of effort) isn't worth it just to play around with a white girl's head. That's my approach, anyway. I don't see the utility or even the plausibility (if you try to dress like said "hood black guy", for example, you won't be getting in to the places where these women are at anyway).

It also isn't necessary at all - many of these women will assume upon a glance at you that you're hood (or close to it) anyway just because you are black. That is part of the reason why they look down on black men in the first place - that socio-economic prejudice is entrenched and, to them, black = lower class.

You don't need to make any effort to create that view in her head - it's probably already there. Just do you (be whatever you're comfortable being) and stick to passive value creation (always implicit and never explicit, letting her connect dots and not connecting them for her). That will be enough.

3. Don't brag about your intelligence either, obviously. Again, passive value. Imply and then she connects the dots.

4. If they connect the dots with regard to the implied intelligence/success/etc and then proceed to get uncomfortable or "scared off", then so be it. Good riddance to them. The days of me trying to dumb myself down or playing to the lowest common denominator just to improve my odds of getting in some American white girls pants are done. Aside from the fact that it simply doesn't work for me (I'm not good at pretending to be things I am not and I don't "play dumb" well), the very concept is demeaning and not worth the effort, IMO.

Think about it for a second: if you were a white man, would you feel any need at all to dumb yourself down just to be seen as a potential sexual partner for these women? Would they be as unwilling to look at you as more than a dick? Would they be as turned off by the fact that you're in a suit, have a great pedigree, and are professionally successful? Think of all of the white male sex symbols out there in the media and the successful white players we know in real life. Do they have to completely subvert aspects of their success to be considered attractive? Do they have to go out of their way to remove legitimate components of their identity that make them what they are (their intellect and success) just to be seen as attractive?

The answer is no. They can comfortably be the affluent, intelligent professional archetypes that they are and have no trouble. Many of them are players who do nothing at all to hide their intellect or professional success. They don't need to separate that part of their identity from themselves just to get play. If anything, not doing so ENHANCES their odds of success in many cases.

So if those other men need not do this, why the hell should we? Why should we feel the need to play down our intellect and success when our non-black peers do not have to do this? Are we less than them? Are they better than us? I don't think so, but I feel that when we dumb ourselves down to fit the perceptions of these women, we're giving an implicit "yes" to those questions, or at least fueling the fire of those people (including these women themselves) who believe that "yes" is the answer to those questions.

I'm not actually dumber or less successful than these men, so why should I pretend to be just to satisfy the prejudicial conceptions of a woman who thinks I am and needs to maintain that conception to consider me a sexual partner?

Furthermore, if a woman needs to maintain that perception in order for me to get with her, how is that even healthy? She needs to see me as less than in order to get with me in the first place, and even after that point she still probably doesn't even see me as a real person and would want to keep any association with me quiet beyond the sex. In short, I'm a living dildo to her and the minute I act like something more there's a problem. Should we even want women like this?

And I know some guys will say "well hey Excelsior, this is just how the game is if you want to get notches". I say "who cares?" I can fly to the DR or any number of places next week and get a woman as fine/finer than any of these white American women I see here without having to dumb myself down at all. These women here aren't special or unique. They're not a prize, so why demean myself and play to their prejudices? If they were the only shot at pretty pussy in the world then that'd be one thing, but they aren't. I can fly abroad (or, alternatively, locate niches of foreign-born women here) and do just as well, so why bother?

I am who I am, I'm comfortable being who I am, and I'm not going to compromise that just to slightly enhance my odds off getting with some woman whose perception of me is so fucked up that the notion of my actually having intellect (as opposed to just being some cock with a man attached to it) bothers her. A woman who views me that way isn't worth the effort, even for the casual fuck. I will not play dumb. If that's a problem for her (because she expected a live dildo and not a real human), then too bad. I can find women who have no problem with who I am when I'm NOT playing dumb. She's not such a spectacularly rare prize that warrants me going out of my way to compromise myself just to get in her pants.

Also, going back to what I said above about the trolling aspect of being black and contradicting preconceived notions: my goal is not to affirm her prejudicial bs and make her comfortable in it. My goal is to fuck with that. I do not like the mindset these women come forward with (presuming they are smarter, better educated, more affluent, etc, concluding that I'm dumb, unprofessional, etc, and then expecting that I act accordingly). I don't want to behave in a way that leaves them comfortable in that mindset. If they have that mindset, I want to disrupt it and make them uncomfortable.

Dumbing myself down plays right into her worldview and confirms all of that prejudicial BS. That leaves her comfortable. I don't want this. If she's running scared because she saw a black man breaking her prejudicial mold and doesn't know how to process it, then good. That's how it should be. If that means that I don't get to fuck her, fine. There are too many other quality women out there to waste time on those who basically look down on you the minute you dare to show that you're more than a living dildo.

^ Good stuff.

Don't kowtow for pussy. I refuse to do that shit. A wise man once said, "I'm a grown-ass man."

If she doesn't like nerdy dudes like me, she can fuck off. I don't mean that in a rude or aggressive way, but my time is finite and I'm spending it with chicks who get it.

Update about Pakistani Psychiatrist

We've been sleeping together the last few nights. Great passion but last night I had to bring it to a close. She started saying stuff like, "where do we see ourselves in the future" and "we should work towards a relationship." I'm not an emotional savage. I told her there is no way we can be bf and gf. Way too much attention and could end up putting both of our lives in danger. She went silent for 5 minutes and said "im thinking whether to burn bridges or to cross them." I got dressed and said goodbye.She was crying but it had to be done.As I said, I don't want to waste her time when she could and should have the proper relationship she deserves but I cannot give.

It was sad and she cried but it's only fair. No women deserves to be deceived especially one who wants to adopt kids and cares for people. Interestingly enough, she was told by a Sudanese female doctor that all black guys just want sex. She admitted to me that she initially was afraid of me because of that perception. This was BEFORE she met me. I guarantee, if I came over all swagger and mode one, the lady would have ran for the hills. Nonetheless, she went for me and wanted a relationship. She's off to Pakistan next week for a fortnight.

Well... at least that's one Pakistani Muslim that has a positive impression of the brothers. Here's a "kala" who refused to take her virginity (still got anal) because he didn't want to break something sacred for a short term thing. Honest and truthful- no deceit.

I think I handled that situation with class. At least she messaged me this morning wishing me good luck before my interview

TDK

PS: 90 percent of my flings have been with older women. Even when I was 14...always older women. I wonder why?