Post: #26

(02-12-2017 04:21 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I only came up with the number 1,000 because I had always heard that Wilt Chamberlain had that many notches

For the sake of historical accuracy Wilt the Stilt claims to have had 20,000+ notches. Who knows what the actual number is, did he really keep count? http://mentalfloss.com/article/12310/did...0000-women

Of course he was over 7' tall and a hall of fame athlete so I feel like a lot of his tactics wouldn't be that applicable to many of us but maybe not...

Post: #27

(02-12-2017 05:48 PM)AWright Wrote:  I know a guy at 588(99% in the US) right now and his next goal is 1000. He is a pickup coach and I'm apart of his facebook group, posts field reports with pics weekly. He's averaged well over 100 a year for the past 4 years. He's the most analytical guy when it comes to game that I've ever seen. Unless you live in SEA or famous you would have to dedicate your life to the goal of getting 1000. The guy I'm referring to acknowledges cold approach has its limits.

I don't want to ruin your hopes about your Pick Up Coach. But if he knows the exact amount hes at when hes at 588 notches add to that the fact he considers himself a PUA he might be fibbing to you a little bit.

1000 notches could be done potentially in 10,000 approaches if you have an ideal location where it's like shooting fish in a barrel for you. I.e. Phillipines for some forum members or perhaps someone with exceptional status in North America.

The range on how many approaches will have massive variance. For some people it wouldn't be doable with 100,000 approaches. The definition of approach is pretty widespread. Does it count a Hi that doesn't get a response on the dance floor?

My guess is for anyone who has the capability to get there it will take 10,000 to 100,000 approaches.

Post: #28

(02-14-2017 10:38 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 05:48 PM)AWright Wrote:  I know a guy at 588(99% in the US) right now and his next goal is 1000. He is a pickup coach and I'm apart of his facebook group, posts field reports with pics weekly. He's averaged well over 100 a year for the past 4 years. He's the most analytical guy when it comes to game that I've ever seen. Unless you live in SEA or famous you would have to dedicate your life to the goal of getting 1000. The guy I'm referring to acknowledges cold approach has its limits.

I don't want to ruin your hopes about your Pick Up Coach. But if he knows the exact amount hes at when hes at 588 notches add to that the fact he considers himself a PUA he might be fibbing to you a little bit.

I am good friends with guys who have winged with him in San Diego and Las Vegas, one saw him pull two threesomes to his penthouse in a night with his bi-sexual stripper girlfriend. My other friend learned how to do car pulls properly in Vegas from him and now has over 70 bangs in his car alone over the past 3 years. Guy has kept a detailed log of every bang since he was at around 50 lays and started actively working on his game. I myself have got over sticking points thanks to what I've learned from the guy.

Post: #29

I'd be interested in knowing how your mindset changes after 1000 notches. The abundance mentality would be sky high. What other things do you think would change in you're mentality after 1000 notches?

Post: #30

Unless you're a celebrity of some kind 1000 notches means sleeping with lots of skanks and yuck girls. So what's the point?

Post: #31

I suppose you could get 1000 notches if that was your job aka hitting on women 24/7. The rest of us have regular jobs.

I would imagine a life story about hitting on tens of thousands of women and not doing much else would be monotonous and boring after the first few chapters.

Post: #32

(02-12-2017 04:28 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 03:03 PM)brick tamland Wrote:  1 in 20 converted presupposes an above average level of something, whether pure game skill or access to women ('high status/fame game') or looks (sometimes a taboo topic) etc.
As with anything else few people will have the discipline and determination to consistently make X number of approaches every day.

I am not so sure about 1/20 being THAT above average. It depends on how you define average though. If the you look at guys who have 7 lifetime lays, totally socially akward guys, butt ugly guys, etc., then yes 1/20 might be above average. That being said, I know guys that are REALLY good with women that are probably in the range of 1 in 5 or so.

The key is that they weren't always as good with women, they just got that way with tons of practice and trial and error.

If one was really to shoot for 20,000 approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy started out with a 1 in 50 average (or whatever below 1/20) and eventually ended up hitting 1/10 or so after years.

LOL, not sure if serious.

I've heard from crazy sex addict PUA guys with 150+ lays like Chris from GoodLookingLoser and Tom Torrero that 5% (1/20) lay rate is, indeed, ELITE (a cap of sorts).

You're a tad delusional if you think there's a guy in the world who can convert at a 1/5 (20%) clip (celebrities excluded). Even a 6'3 male model would close at roughly 1/20 (5%), at best...and that's assuming elite level game.

Post: #33

(02-11-2017 01:09 AM)dallasguy Wrote:  A waste of a life doing nothing but chasing pussy. If you're a movie star or famous pro athlete, then fine. They come banging on your doors. Otherwise I have other important things to do and think about besides sex 24/7

This, by far.

Post: #34

Some dudes race motorcycles. Others learn to play an instrument, like guitar. Why is crushing 1000 notches an unacceptable hobby?

It takes me as a medium advanced man around 10 hours per notch in night game. (This is in tougher cities) Like any endavour that you want to master, it would take 10.000 hours for me to get 1000 notches.

I hadn't actually considered it before I read this thread. But it would be fun to set a goal and see how far I would get, just for shits and giggles.

Post: #35

(02-18-2017 12:17 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:28 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 03:03 PM)brick tamland Wrote:  1 in 20 converted presupposes an above average level of something, whether pure game skill or access to women ('high status/fame game') or looks (sometimes a taboo topic) etc.
As with anything else few people will have the discipline and determination to consistently make X number of approaches every day.

I am not so sure about 1/20 being THAT above average. It depends on how you define average though. If the you look at guys who have 7 lifetime lays, totally socially akward guys, butt ugly guys, etc., then yes 1/20 might be above average. That being said, I know guys that are REALLY good with women that are probably in the range of 1 in 5 or so.

The key is that they weren't always as good with women, they just got that way with tons of practice and trial and error.

If one was really to shoot for 20,000 approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy started out with a 1 in 50 average (or whatever below 1/20) and eventually ended up hitting 1/10 or so after years.

LOL, not sure if serious.

I've heard from crazy sex addict PUA guys with 150+ lays like Chris from GoodLookingLoser and Tom Torrero that 5% (1/20) lay rate is, indeed, ELITE (a cap of sorts).

You're a tad delusional if you think there's a guy in the world who can convert at a 1/5 (20%) clip (celebrities excluded). Even a 6'3 male model would close at roughly 1/20 (5%), at best...and that's assuming elite level game.

Look, you've already insulted me twice in this thread by saying I have a drug addict mentality (I don't do any drugs and rarely drink) and now you're saying I'm delusional.

I am pretty sure based on this post and the others I've seen by you around the forum that you will NEVER know what it's like to average around 1/20. Why? Because you exclusively blame the city you are in and I'm sure you aren't approaching in large numbers.

How do you know what a 6'3'' male model would close at? Because some random PUA guys said so?

Niether of those guys you mentioned are male models and you certainly aren't, so how would you know?

I am willing to bet if a guy maximizes his looks (gym and style), spends at least a few years working extensively on his game, AND FIGURES OUT HIS NICHE, then that guys can easily get laid upwards of 20%.

But a guy like you? You'll be lucky to get with 1% because somehow it's always the city's fault.

Post: #36

(02-18-2017 05:54 AM)asdfk Wrote:  Some dudes race motorcycles. Others learn to play an instrument, like guitar. Why is crushing 1000 notches an unacceptable hobby?

because each notch is a potential life killed/ruined.

Post: #37

Didn't know I committed genocide, bro.

Post: #38

(02-18-2017 01:18 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  Look, you've already insulted me twice in this thread by saying I have a drug addict mentality (I don't do any drugs and rarely drink) and now you're saying I'm delusional.

I am pretty sure based on this post and the others I've seen by you around the forum that you will NEVER know what it's like to average around 1/20. Why? Because you exclusively blame the city you are in and I'm sure you aren't approaching in large numbers.

How do you know what a 6'3'' male model would close at? Because some random PUA guys said so?

Niether of those guys you mentioned are male models and you certainly aren't, so how would you know?

I am willing to bet if a guy maximizes his looks (gym and style), spends at least a few years working extensively on his game, AND FIGURES OUT HIS NICHE, then that guys can easily get laid upwards of 20%.

But a guy like you? You'll be lucky to get with 1% because somehow it's always the city's fault.

I'm not in the mood to deal with a pissing match, but here's the truth: cold approach is incredibly low percentage. 5% on cold approach is pretty good. 10% is excellent. 15-20% is either world-beater level, or you're just fucking girls who are already into you.

Social circle game is by nature higher percentage. There's automatically a certain level of value attached to you.

Post: #39

(02-19-2017 11:18 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:18 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  Look, you've already insulted me twice in this thread by saying I have a drug addict mentality (I don't do any drugs and rarely drink) and now you're saying I'm delusional.

I am pretty sure based on this post and the others I've seen by you around the forum that you will NEVER know what it's like to average around 1/20. Why? Because you exclusively blame the city you are in and I'm sure you aren't approaching in large numbers.

How do you know what a 6'3'' male model would close at? Because some random PUA guys said so?

Niether of those guys you mentioned are male models and you certainly aren't, so how would you know?

I am willing to bet if a guy maximizes his looks (gym and style), spends at least a few years working extensively on his game, AND FIGURES OUT HIS NICHE, then that guys can easily get laid upwards of 20%.

But a guy like you? You'll be lucky to get with 1% because somehow it's always the city's fault.

I'm not in the mood to deal with a pissing match, but here's the truth: cold approach is incredibly low percentage. 5% on cold approach is pretty good. 10% is excellent. 15-20% is either world-beater level, or you're just fucking girls who are already into you.

Social circle game is by nature higher percentage. There's automatically a certain level of value attached to you.

I wouldn't know exactly what the percentages are, but your estimations seem fair enough.

What I am doing right now is getting back out there and logging all of my approaches in a word document. My goal is to hit over 1,000 day game approaches in the next seven months and to see what my results are.

The things I am logging are my weight (overweight now but getting back in shape, doing this to see how my physical appearance effects things), the race and age of the girl, where I met her, and what the result was. I'm keeping the log to get a better idea of how things work out for me in my current situation.

Post: #40

(02-18-2017 01:18 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 12:17 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:28 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 03:03 PM)brick tamland Wrote:  1 in 20 converted presupposes an above average level of something, whether pure game skill or access to women ('high status/fame game') or looks (sometimes a taboo topic) etc.
As with anything else few people will have the discipline and determination to consistently make X number of approaches every day.

I am not so sure about 1/20 being THAT above average. It depends on how you define average though. If the you look at guys who have 7 lifetime lays, totally socially akward guys, butt ugly guys, etc., then yes 1/20 might be above average. That being said, I know guys that are REALLY good with women that are probably in the range of 1 in 5 or so.

The key is that they weren't always as good with women, they just got that way with tons of practice and trial and error.

If one was really to shoot for 20,000 approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy started out with a 1 in 50 average (or whatever below 1/20) and eventually ended up hitting 1/10 or so after years.

LOL, not sure if serious.

I've heard from crazy sex addict PUA guys with 150+ lays like Chris from GoodLookingLoser and Tom Torrero that 5% (1/20) lay rate is, indeed, ELITE (a cap of sorts).

You're a tad delusional if you think there's a guy in the world who can convert at a 1/5 (20%) clip (celebrities excluded). Even a 6'3 male model would close at roughly 1/20 (5%), at best...and that's assuming elite level game.

Look, you've already insulted me twice in this thread by saying I have a drug addict mentality (I don't do any drugs and rarely drink) and now you're saying I'm delusional.

I am pretty sure based on this post and the others I've seen by you around the forum that you will NEVER know what it's like to average around 1/20. Why? Because you exclusively blame the city you are in and I'm sure you aren't approaching in large numbers.

How do you know what a 6'3'' male model would close at? Because some random PUA guys said so?

Niether of those guys you mentioned are male models and you certainly aren't, so how would you know?

I am willing to bet if a guy maximizes his looks (gym and style), spends at least a few years working extensively on his game, AND FIGURES OUT HIS NICHE, then that guys can easily get laid upwards of 20%.

But a guy like you? You'll be lucky to get with 1% because somehow it's always the city's fault.

LOL, I've already experienced success in Chicago and NYC. It's LA, bro, not me.

There's not a man alive converting at a 20% rate (excluding celebrities). You can believe that it's possible to convert at the rate, but believe you me, it's not. I'll PayPal you $10,000 if you can find one counter-example.

Post: #41

^I know several guys and my own rate is below 1\20. What kind of proof you want to see?
If you are willing to hop on a plane you can see it with your own eyes - and pay me in cash.

Only reply if you are serious.

Post: #42

Not really interested in the 1000 notches thing because as others have pointed out just by living costs alone unless it is your job or you are famous you will be broke pretty soon by chasing poon 24/7. I also don't like women enough to dedicate my life to banging 1000 of them. A hundred or two is fine for me.

About the 1/20, 1/5 etc. it's very important to consider the source. If you count your conversion rates within your social circle e.g. you get with a daughter of a close family friend, then that will mess up the numbers you get from meeting a random girl on the street. If you're already known positively, and known well, and have multiple opportunities due to being in a girl's social circle, then you are obviously going to convert such prospects at an average much, much higher than cold approach. There may be exceptions but social circle generally trumps cold approach for conversion rates. 5% in cold approach is "elite" level because even for a YTC guy with great game, there are so many factors outside your control it's just impossible. Very famous celebrities may be able to send a girl into emotional overdrive just by their status which causes them to blow off those same factors which stop a regular YTC guy with great game getting anywhere... for example if Justin Bieber walks up to a random girl he has a very good chance of banging her whether she has a boyfriend, husband, whether she has a dentist appointment in 10 minutes, whether her dog just died and she doesn't want to talk to anyone, or whatever. It's almost like reasonably cool white guys in the Philippines: most of the girls probably have some sort of native boyfriends or reasons why they cannot bang (i.e. a filipino) but when the YTC white guy comes along a lot of those reasons seem to melt away. That's why the Philippines/Thailand/SEA in general is mentioned as a way for a "normal" guy to get to 1000 notches. 5% in Philippines day game is very different from 5% in Russia day game.

Unless you have learnt over the years to pre-filter your targets quite strictly for higher conversion rates, 5% is a rough cold approach number in western countries, EE or SA that can be hardly improved upon unless you are famous. In SEA you may well be able to improve on it.

In school we are always taught to get high % marks to pass tests. I used to have targets of getting 90%+. It fucks up your mind and is a bit disappointing when you find out, when it comes to girls, everything is flipped on its head. Instead of getting that awesome 95%, now a mere 5% is considered "elite". More depressing is that top PUAs, guys who are writing giant textbooks on this shit for others to follow, are converting at around 3%. So 97% of their approaches lead to jack shit. And this is on foreign girls, either in London or in their native countries. To get any normal ROI in the anglosphere on anglo girls from cold approach, you have to be in the top 1%, and still 3% is a big ask. This is what has given birth to the "RSD Spammer". Since the percentages are so low, if you consider pro PUAs getting only 3%, the RSD spammers perform all sorts of "inner game" techniques to be able to chew through 1000s of approaches without suffering natural disillusionment or burnout. A few make it but most don't, the burnout rate is extremely high. The only guys in this who "win" are those guys who teach PUA for a living and have the optimism to consider a 97% failure rate as "good".

For cold approach, non-famous guy, not SEA:

1% - decent for beginner
2% - good
3% - excellent
4% - elite
5% - top limit on cold approach without being famous.

So for 1000 notches: 100,000; 50,000, 33,000, 25,000, 20,000. Even at the top limit, 20,000 cold approaches is a hell of a lot.

It just goes to show that, even if you are in a so-called "poosy paradise", this shit never gets easy. It's always going to be work.

Post: #43

1/5 rate is not unreasonable if all the factors are maxed out. Success begets success as well. If you pull one new girl every week on average, in twenty years you will hit 1,000.

Post: #44

(02-20-2017 12:22 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I wouldn't know exactly what the percentages are, but your estimations seem fair enough.

What I am doing right now is getting back out there and logging all of my approaches in a word document. My goal is to hit over 1,000 day game approaches in the next seven months and to see what my results are.

The things I am logging are my weight (overweight now but getting back in shape, doing this to see how my physical appearance effects things), the race and age of the girl, where I met her, and what the result was. I'm keeping the log to get a better idea of how things work out for me in my current situation.

Good for you! As you get back into shape, you're going to be able to get higher quality girls (assuming you're facially normal/slightly above average). The word document sounds like a good idea, but just be careful not to use it as an avoidance mechanism.

The other issue is that you shouldn't just do 1000 approaches. Do them and then reflect on them. What went well, what didn't, what do you need to do differently in the future? There are a fuckton of PUA hate (Sluthate?) losers who moan that they've done 1000 approaches and not gotten laid. Becoming an approach machine without honestly evaluating your approaches is a form of avoidance.

Post: #45

If you're the kind of guy who can get 100, then 1000 isn't much harder. But after you smash a fuck ton of bitches, the numbers game loses its appeal. You're just meeting the same bag of shit with different make-up...

My notch count is in the low 100's (I'm 27) and I doubt I'll reach 130 before I die. It just isn't that fun anymore.

Post: #46

^Not with that attitude you won't.
You need to be inspired. Maybe you'd want to prove something or you might just feel an urge to spread you seed far and wide. You have to want it. No getting around that.

Also, most guys don't know how good it is until they get a taste of the real variety. How many slices of pizza have you had in your life? Game can be like that. Each new girl isn't "a notch" with some growing meaning, just something fresh and new for that day or night.

Some guys have a hunger for new girls in a way that most guys don't. Nothing wrong with either path. The guys who grow up with the old school masculine alpha males around tend to want that variety more than the new generation.

For example, they could never remake "The Sopranos" with the new generation of actors. It's a whole different vibe now. For better or worse. It's rare to find real old school styled men who are under thirty years old these days. It makes sense that they don't have the priority to spread the seed as far and wide.

Post: #47

(02-20-2017 11:12 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 12:22 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I wouldn't know exactly what the percentages are, but your estimations seem fair enough.

What I am doing right now is getting back out there and logging all of my approaches in a word document. My goal is to hit over 1,000 day game approaches in the next seven months and to see what my results are.

The things I am logging are my weight (overweight now but getting back in shape, doing this to see how my physical appearance effects things), the race and age of the girl, where I met her, and what the result was. I'm keeping the log to get a better idea of how things work out for me in my current situation.

Good for you! As you get back into shape, you're going to be able to get higher quality girls (assuming you're facially normal/slightly above average). The word document sounds like a good idea, but just be careful not to use it as an avoidance mechanism.

The other issue is that you shouldn't just do 1000 approaches. Do them and then reflect on them. What went well, what didn't, what do you need to do differently in the future? There are a fuckton of PUA hate (Sluthate?) losers who moan that they've done 1000 approaches and not gotten laid. Becoming an approach machine without honestly evaluating your approaches is a form of avoidance.

Thanks, and I totally agree. When I was in shape in the past with much less game I used to definitely pull hotter women, and I had many more options. I am well above average in terms of my face, but the being overweight issue negates that to a certain extent. I wouldn't be surprised if I got results as good as 1/10 or so when I am at my ideal build.

Again, I totally agree about the reflection after approaches. I already do that, and it is sort of automatic at this point. When I first started pickup years ago I would write out long passages detailing every single thing that happened on an approach. Now I have much more experience under my belt and can analyze things more easily. I am keeping the log specifically because I want to know exactly what my results were instead of having a general idea.

TBH I know a lot of guys bitch about cold approach percentages being low, but I was thinking earlier today that I'd even be happy if my approach to lay results were 1/100. All that means is that I have to approach a shit ton, but IMO approaching is the name of the game. I even remember reading an article by Roosh where he said that even though his game got better he now gets less new notches simply because he goes out and approaches less.

Post: #48

I think I've come to the conclusion that if one wants to get the most approaches from cold approaching and to have the girls to be most likely to be up for something then night game is the way to go.

Day game isn't as target rich and a lot of the time the girl didn't leave her house with the intention of talking to anyone, let alone agreeing to give her number or date a guy.

Post: #49

(02-22-2017 08:26 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I think I've come to the conclusion that if one wants to get the most approaches from cold approaching and to have the girls to be most likely to be up for something then night game is the way to go.

Day game isn't as target rich and a lot of the time the girl didn't leave her house with the intention of talking to anyone, let alone agreeing to give her number or date a guy.

I agree. A 1 in 10 approach to lay rate is achievable in the night, especially with good target selection. You try for the bang that night, there is no messing around with phone numbers or dates or flaking, because she is already there. You can get phone numbers from 1 in 3 in the day, but you lose 90% from flaking at some stage. Maybe you get a date but can't secure the bang. That all goes into it.

If you do day game, you have to genuinely prefer it, to the extent the lower conversion rates are more than compensated for by your preference for it. And of course, there's the whole "better quality" argument in favor of day game. Sometimes I see a girl in the day I simply have to try. I know my chances are lower than in the night but when your gut drives you those are the times when you consider maybe a happy medium between night and day. There really are girls I see out in the day that I never see at night. If you're happy without access to these then that's your choice, but I find more LTR worthy girls during the day.

Post: #50

(02-18-2017 05:54 AM)asdfk Wrote:  Some dudes race motorcycles. Others learn to play an instrument, like guitar. Why is crushing 1000 notches an unacceptable hobby?

I responded to this question in the Philippines thread.