Post: #1

Well, I just wonder how often women intiates conflict when you approach and make your interest obvious. I feel like they will yell everytime i approach them. I have no problem at making eye contacts, but this conflict thing also damages my eye contact ability. I have no idea what to do in situation like this.

Post: #2

If a woman is interested in you, she will give you an "expression of interest" - a sneak look, a smile, a cute adjustment of her hair, bra etc.
You have to learn what these look like.

I think that if you only approach women who show interest and an openness to you, you will never get a bad reaction, if you are polite and non threatening and end the interaction if she signals she wants it to end.

If you just do annoying, rude spam anyone approaches, you will most likely get bad reactions, and a punch in the head if you annoy my girfriend.

Post: #3

(01-26-2017 06:24 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  If a woman is interested in you, she will give you an "expression of interest" - a sneak look, a smile, a cute adjustment of her hair, bra etc.
You have to learn what these look like.

http://www.rooshv.com/7-signs-you-should...ach-a-girl

Biggest one of these in my experience is if you give her a smile (the "stranger smile", not a goofy huge grin) and she reciprocates.

In my experience if she does that your chances of an immediate blowout are extremely low - she'll almost always be willing to let you spit some chat for at least a few moments.

And then you just have to be attuned to her body language and how she's responding verbally to judge if you should press on, or not. I'd err on the side of caution here; if you get the feeling as if she's losing enthusiasm or not reciprocating then it's probably time to start winding it down, not double down. Most friendly girls at the club will finally just be looking for some pleasant conversation.

The harshest "blowouts" I've ever received weren't even particularly harsh; I think pretty much the worst that's ever happened is I get outright ignored or a disparaging "WTF, dude" look when I've made a bad call on who to talk to. I've never been yelled at - if a chick isn't into you she'll almost always try the low effort option before she goes nuclear. The "silent treatment" is the cat's hiss before the strike, and it's wise to pay attention to it if you want to save face.

I've been yelled at by chicks during night game before, but it's been because they got offended by something I said in a conversation they were listening in to that wasn't any of their business anyway (it is SJW Boston, after all), not in the context of an approach.

I feel sad for some of the younger guys getting started because it is definitely true that girls at bars and clubs are generally less receptive than they were say 15 years ago. I remember circa 1998-2000 when the best IOI was "Look for the cute girl that's by herself" because girls looking to get laid would definitely go out solo themselves (or in pairs that would split up with hardly any work at all), which would be shocking nowadays. But it's not hopeless.

Post: #4

Such emotional reaction can be a good thing. You can turn that hate into love. But that's different topic.

Do girls actually yell at you or do you just think they will yell?
If they do then what do you do that makes them confront you so hard?

Post: #5

(01-27-2017 05:54 PM)XXL Wrote:  Such emotional reaction can be a good thing. You can turn that hate into love. But that's different topic.

Do girls actually yell at you or do you just think they will yell?
If they do then what do you do that makes them confront you so hard?

I was in a mall that quite expensive when compared to nearby malls. I went to checkout, and saw a 7/10 girl there, looked at him and said '' why wouldnt you went to x instead of this mall?, everything is way cheaper at there.. '' , she look into my eyes for like 3-4 seconds, and said, '' are you stupid? '' i smirked and said, '' nope ''. I think she intimidate with my presence and went full retard.

Now i wish to reply her question like, '' no, are you? '' or something that counter her rudeness.
That's the extreme example though.. I never being yelled at. But I dont know what to do if someone yells me.

Post: #6

What reaction did you expect from a girl that you accused she can't afford stuff? It's like asking why she's wearing S size skirt if L is her real size

If you don't want conflict then don't bring it in the first place.

Did you have repeated situations like that or this was just one and only and you decided to make a thread about it?

Post: #7

(01-28-2017 03:17 PM)XXL Wrote:  What reaction did you expect from a girl that you accused she can't afford stuff? It's like asking why she's wearing S size skirt if L is her real size

If you don't want conflict then don't bring it in the first place.

Did you have repeated situations like that or this was just one and only and you decided to make a thread about it?

Well, it was just one.

I dont think she went rude cuz she thought i accuse her can't afford stuff. She was just being bitch. Simple as that. She also has rich daddy, i just saw her leaving park lot with luxury SUV.

Post: #8

Some people only approach girls who show them IOI's.

Post: #9

Euphoria,

For now, here are a few general suggestions I can offer for consideration:

1. Limit your theorizing based on situations that are either hypothetical or situations in which you have very limited experience. Notably, this thread was created based on your analysis of a single approach (an action which I suggest you do not repeat). Such speculation leads to paralysis-by-analysis and the creation of faulty generalisations.

Rather, take sustained, significant action and then report back on your experience. The 'hard work ethic' is a central tenet of neomasculinity [1], and if you put serious effort into your self-development then people will take you seriously and be more than happy to help.

2. Tension, rejection and conflict are all part of the game. However, with committed, conscious effort you can reduce their occurrence and your sensitivity to them [2,3].

3. Consider the wisdom of people with more experience than you. The game master XXL gave you some clear advice (i.e., don't insult girls when you approach them) however you decided to blame the girl for being a "bitch" rather than to humbly re-consider your own approach. Further, if your current actions aren't getting you what you want, then perhaps it would be in your best interest to try something different.


Before I offer any more advice, I would first like to know the following in view of your first thread here [4]:

* Since you started that thread 5 months ago, what actions have you taken to overcome your fear of conflict and to get better with women?

* Have you ever hung out with any other guys (RVFers, PUAs or otherwise) who are into pickup and self-development?


Links

[1] Roosh - What is Neomasculinity; 6.3. Hard work ethic
[2] Raymond Lloyd Richmond - Systematic Desensitization
[3] Dusty - Book Study: A Guide to Rational Living
[4] Euphoria - Fear of confrontation upon approach

Post: #10

Sadly, I have a very attractive wingman. He is tall, dark and handsome, looks like elvis.

The women approach him in droves when we walk into a joint.

I laugh myself silly scanning the room, watching them all preening, smiling at him and all manner of stunts.

They often approach me to introduce them or find out if they can get him.

He sits at the bar and swats them away.

It really shits me.

Post: #11

(01-28-2017 11:09 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Sadly, I have a very attractive wingman. He is tall, dark and handsome, looks like elvis.

The women approach him in droves when we walk into a joint.

I laugh myself silly scanning the room, watching them all preening, smiling at him and all manner of stunts.

They often approach me to introduce them or find out if they can get him.

He sits at the bar and swats them away.

It really shits me.

I could have wrote this! It physically hurts! haha

I used to have 2 very good looking wingmen.

Both never made an approach in their lives but have notch counts (with the very hottest young girls) that are through the roofs. Only I approached girls.

One of them just stands around looking bored until eventually a stunner will approach him. He's fairly boring and has zero game, but she will essentially 'game' him and then they'll go back to one of their houses and have sex.

The other guy is equally handsome, but has a wife who he doesn't tend to cheat on and so all night girls are either approaching him and he swats them away, OR they approach me (so for a split second I tihnk ''Oh my God! yay!! the hot girl just opened me!!')' and then she'll say ''Please tell me your hot friend is single!! can you introduce me!!?

Just have to laugh in the end.

Post: #12

(01-28-2017 08:20 PM)Dream Medicine Wrote:  * Since you started that thread 5 months ago, what actions have you taken to overcome your fear of conflict and to get better with women?

* Have you ever hung out with any other guys (RVFers, PUAs or otherwise) who are into pickup and self-development?

1- Nothing honestly, I just bought sandbag and did some exercise on it.
2- No.


Today, I saw a girl and decided to approach, turned out she has a girl friend waiting for her at the corner, they both entered market then left with two beers. They headed beach, i followed them. After we reach the beach, they pick a good spot for sitting. They sat and i sat somewhere else in order to make plans of my approach, my plan was ask for directions for my friend which supposedly coming nearby, i took a cigar and went to some random guy in front of them like i am asking directions, i then slowly approached girls by saying '' what is exact address of this place? '' (while holding phone, like i waiting for their answer in order to tell it to my friend), they then proceed to explain place with nice and kind attitude, i reflect address to my friend (which is nobody, since i am faking it), after that, i hang the phone, and asked for lighter while holding cigar, she gave it to me, after i light my cigar, i asked, '' u guys living here? '' , cute one said '' yes '' , right after she said yes, the ugly, cockblocker told me '' can you just get out? stop holding in front of us like that '' , and bam. all of my motivation fucked up. i wish i would say, '' if your friend think same as you, i will '' but i just moved like a bitch.

plan was flawless, approach was flawless, but that ugly hag fucked everything.