Post: #51

My crazy radar got a lot better after my last BPD girlfriend, my 2 pesos:

1. She dyes her hair (Look at me!) Not necessarily but in my experience it has been an indicator.
2. Talk shit about ex boyfriends.
3. She tells you she is crazy (duh) or a goof friend from her or family member warns you that she is crazy!
4. Drinks heavily / You have to start drinking to cope with her shit
5. Family background. Watch for her mother's behavior (She will be very similar. I guarantee it)
6. Absent father figure
7. Atheist / no real beliefs
8. She uploads pictures on social media showing ass/cleavage,etc...
9. More gay friends than straight friends

Most important and like an ex boss told me when I arrive to the office and one my first day I ask what the dress code was.

He told me: If you think your outfit is inappropriate, then probably is!

Always go with your gut
Happy hunting

Post: #52

I've known a lot of girls that own horses. There are two types that own these animals. Spoiled rich girls that ride their horses occasionally, and have no sense as to how much these animals cost because daddy pays for it. Horses are a horrible pet to own unless you are wealthy. Easily, one of the most massively expensive creatures out there. There's a second set of girls that own horses which are your more down-to-earth types who are in 4H and work on a ranch or farm. They see horses are part of the rural lifestyle, and work animals, not merely as a $20k pet. I'd avoid spoiled rich girls (mostly crazy anyways, outrageously entitled) and go for the ranch chicks if you have to date a girl who loves horses. I don't think I'd ever marry a girl who wants horses though, as they are a massive expense and pain to care for. It is a warning sign to me (outside of a ranch where they are used for work) that a girl isn't practical with money.

Post: #53

If it bleeds for 7 days and doesnt die you need to be on high alert--defcon 1. never let your guard down...

Post: #54

All women's thought processes are, to a greater or lesser extent, disconnected with the objective physical reality that they inhabit. This is the basis of the tautology "All women are crazy".

When we ask ourselves and our fellow men questions like the original subject line of this thread, we really seek to measure the size of that disconnect. "How wide is this woman's disconnect from reality in her mind?" The next question being "How large of a gap am I willing to tolerate based on my goals regarding this particular woman?"

In the end, we all have to answer both of these questions for ourselves, but its good to compare notes. I'm likely a bit older than the average for this forum so I will share what I've notices in several decades of observing and surviving interactions with women all over the "crazy" spectrum.

The best piece of advice I can give, and the biggest red flag in my experience, is when a woman has the expectation that that the gap between her thinking and reality should be working in the other direction. What I mean by this is that, rather than adjusting her world view and inner dialog to conform with her observations of objective reality, it is the objective reality that has the obligation to conform to her thoughts and desires.

And, if they are young and attractive enough, it does.

This is where books like The Secret come from. This is the idea that if you simply Want something hard enough, The Universe is obligated to Provide it. This is the perfect mixture of magical thinking and female entitlement. Feminism is, at its basest and most vulgar, a collective political expression of this disconnect. A vast horde of women with their hands out screaming "mine!"

In other words, if they simply want something hard enough, then they deserve it. And if they deserve it, its fundamentally wrong that they don't have it. And its fundamentally wrong for anyone to either fail to provide or deny their wants, because they deserve it. Because they want it bad enough.

Remember too that this thinking doesn't just apply material objects or social status that a women desires, it also applies to negative situations they are trying to avoid; chiefly and primarily, being held responsible for their decisions and actions. This toxic thinking is as much a desire for things undeserved and unearned as it is a desire to avoid the things both deserved and earned.

In short, while all female thought processes are to a greater and lesser extent divorced from reality, be especially wary of women who expect reality to be the side that is obliged to conform.

So, to return to the original question, "What's The Quickest & Easiest Indicator To Tell A Chick is CRAZY?"

Ask her what the last thing was that she really, really wanted and didn't get.

If the answer has any amount of introspection or personal accountability, you may have found a decent woman. The answers will still likely contain a great deal of reasons why its "not her fault", but remember, we're trying to judge how big the disconnect it. Its always there.

If the answer is mostly focused on outside forces conspiring against her, the innocent and deserving heroine, to deny her what she truly deserved? That's your red flag right there. Its only going to get worse as she ages. These are the women drawn to petty bureaucracies like HR, public schools, and university administration. If they were attractive when they were young, it can be even worse. These are the 50 year old women in tennis outfits screaming for the manager at Whole Foods because they won't let her return week old produce she doesn't have a receipt for.

Don't let these women in to your lives any more than you can help. Unless you are self employed, you will likely have to work with or around them so be aware.

In saner times we sent them to convents and homes for the deranged. Now they are allowed to run for president, and their vote counts as much as yours.

Post: #55

(01-03-2017 05:41 PM)killjoy Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 05:32 PM)Perfect Stranger Wrote:  If she:

A. Has horses
B. Rides horses
C. Likes horses

Avoid.

Could you elaborate on this

http://www.returnofkings.com/16904/avoid...ith-horses

I've banged 2. Both certified nuts.

Imagine girls that are crazy about cats now amplify it to the size of a horse.

Post: #56

(01-02-2017 11:14 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  regular heavy drinking by either a man or woman is often a sign of not wanting to face some challenge in a person's life.

Sometimes the challenge I want to face is to see if I can get home without a DUI, so its all relative....

Regarding crazy chicks, several years ago I went through a phase. I fucked everything that was under 30 and 140 pounds. Some of them were pretty damn hot, others not so much. Most were crazy. Denny's waitresses, Korean hostess bar girls and day-shift strippers.

When a girl has one of more small caged animals, along with a dog or cat, she's crazy. If she lives in her car with that caged pet she's a real handful.

My theory is that the pets don't judge them for their loose moral standards.

Aloha!

Post: #57

(01-04-2017 09:26 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 11:14 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  regular heavy drinking by either a man or woman is often a sign of not wanting to face some challenge in a person's life.

Sometimes the challenge I want to face is to see if I can get home without a DUI, so its all relative....

Regarding crazy chicks, several years ago I went through a phase. I fucked everything that was under 30 and 140 pounds. Some of them were pretty damn hot, others not so much. Most were crazy. Denny's waitresses, Korean hostess bar girls and day-shift strippers.

When a girl has one of more small caged animals, along with a dog or cat, she's crazy. If she lives in her car with that caged pet she's a real handful.

My theory is that the pets don't judge them for their loose moral standards.

Aloha!

This is very true about not being judged for their loose morals. I knew a chick that had two dogs, two cats, a toad and a pet iguana in her house. She was more affectionate to her cats that's than she was to her boyfriend. This is the same chick that had sex with 8 guys within a course of two months. Now 13 years later, she's married to a beta simp and they have a kid. She was total carousal rider. If she's more affectionate to her pets than she is with you, then be very, very careful with her.

Post: #58

Just change the "he" to "she" and "male" to "female" in the following and you should be good at distinguishing batshit crazy behavior from "normal" female crazy behavior - i.e the fact women don't apply the same logic and standards as men do to many of their decisions, because they're not men and have different goals.

http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse7.html

There's not much material difference in the behavior of female BPD/narcissists/psychopaths and their male counterparts, though women of course exploit their sexuality more.

Most important one:

Quote:Idealization or devaluation – The abuser instantly idealizes or devalues (her) interlocutor. He flatters, adores, admires and applauds the "target" in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner – or sulks, abuses, and humiliates (him.)

Abusers are polite only in the presence of a potential would-be victim – a "mate", or a "collaborator". But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment.

My own experience is that the cycle of "idealization" and "devaluation", "black" or "white" thinking is the best indicator of a crazy-time woman. And you can determine pretty quickly whether she engages in this sort of behavior. A woman who is able to see shades of grey, and say for example logically notes that most of the men she was involved with in her past relationships had both good and bad qualities, regardless of the final outcome of those relationships, is unlikely to be a woman who is any more than "normal" crazy.

But if everyone from her past was supposedly an asshole who wronged her and treated her badly and deserves punishment, guess what pal: YOU ARE NEXT

Post: #59

(01-05-2017 03:30 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Just change the "he" to "she" and "male" to "female" in the following and you should be good at distinguishing batshit crazy behavior from "normal" female crazy behavior - i.e the fact women don't apply the same logic and standards as men do to many of their decisions, because they're not men and have different goals.

http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse7.html

There's not much material difference in the behavior of female BPD/narcissists/psychopaths and their male counterparts, though women of course exploit their sexuality more.

Most important one:

Quote:Idealization or devaluation – The abuser instantly idealizes or devalues (her) interlocutor. He flatters, adores, admires and applauds the "target" in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner – or sulks, abuses, and humiliates (him.)

Abusers are polite only in the presence of a potential would-be victim – a "mate", or a "collaborator". But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment.

My own experience is that the cycle of "idealization" and "devaluation", "black" or "white" thinking is the best indicator of a crazy-time woman. And you can determine pretty quickly whether she engages in this sort of behavior. A woman who is able to see shades of grey, and say for example logically notes that most of the men she was involved with in her past relationships had both good and bad qualities, regardless of the final outcome of those relationships, is unlikely to be a woman who is any more than "normal" crazy.

But if everyone from her past was supposedly an asshole who wronged her and treated her badly and deserves punishment, guess what pal: YOU ARE NEXT

The cycle of "idealization" and "devaluation" is a terrifying thing to see happen. I've had a few friends get involved with this sort of woman, usually guys who did poorly with women when they were young and lacked the proper crazy-radar (craydar?) to spot the problem early enough.

Early on the guy is her hero and she will gush non stop to him about how great he is and how he saved her and made her believe in love again etc. Eventually, quick as flipping a light switch, they "turn". The guy becomes the worst person who ever lived and the embodiment of everything wrong with all men. In reality the poor guy is usually just trying to make her happy and accommodate her "needs". I believe the term used around here is a "Simp".

In worse case scenarios, these women are able to fool their next victims into believing so many lies about past relationships that they can force (sometimes violent) confrontations between their new mark and their past victims.

Avoid at all costs.

Post: #60

Aggressive body language

invade your space/be confident type of aggresive

Post: #61

No relationship with her father

Post: #62

(01-04-2017 07:34 PM)Mikan Wrote:  If the answer is mostly focused on outside forces conspiring against her, the innocent and deserving heroine, to deny her what she truly deserved? That's your red flag right there. Its only going to get worse as she ages. These are the women drawn to petty bureaucracies like HR, public schools, and university administration. If they were attractive when they were young, it can be even worse. These are the 50 year old women in tennis outfits screaming for the manager at Whole Foods because they won't let her return week old produce she doesn't have a receipt for.

Goddamn your whole post was spot on but this part is my favorite. Those old bats that you can tell used to be super attractive in their younger years are the most disconnected from reality.

Post: #63

(01-05-2017 03:30 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Quote:Idealization or devaluation – The abuser instantly idealizes or devalues (her) interlocutor. He flatters, adores, admires and applauds the "target" in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner – or sulks, abuses, and humiliates (him.)

Abusers are polite only in the presence of a potential would-be victim – a "mate", or a "collaborator". But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment.

My own experience is that the cycle of "idealization" and "devaluation", "black" or "white" thinking is the best indicator of a crazy-time woman. And you can determine pretty quickly whether she engages in this sort of behavior. A woman who is able to see shades of grey, and say for example logically notes that most of the men she was involved with in her past relationships had both good and bad qualities, regardless of the final outcome of those relationships, is unlikely to be a woman who is any more than "normal" crazy.

But if everyone from her past was supposedly an asshole who wronged her and treated her badly and deserves punishment, guess what pal: YOU ARE NEXT

This is classic female narcissism. Its rampant today, more and more its happening. I would recommend any guy here read up on it. As you experience lots of women you are guaranteed to meet one. You will approach her, she will be beautiful, the dance begins, she gushes that you are the love of her life, 4 months later something happens(drama), then discard happens to you. It will eat your soul and leave you completely defeated. The special girl you fell in love with, who treated you like a king, has discarded and defeated you in the worst possible ways.

Read up on Female Narcissism, its required reading as much as learning game.

Post: #64

(01-06-2017 12:10 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  No relationship with her father

You are spot on with this one, I'd also like to ad strained relationships with parents/siblings/close friends. My ex wife was as crazy as they come and I should been aware of the red flags.

1. Strained relationship with her crazy mom
2. Strained relationship with her crazy sister
3. Limited contact with her dad
4. Few close friends

Post: #65

(01-06-2017 01:56 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:30 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Quote:Idealization or devaluation – The abuser instantly idealizes or devalues (her) interlocutor. He flatters, adores, admires and applauds the "target" in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner – or sulks, abuses, and humiliates (him.)

Abusers are polite only in the presence of a potential would-be victim – a "mate", or a "collaborator". But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment.

My own experience is that the cycle of "idealization" and "devaluation", "black" or "white" thinking is the best indicator of a crazy-time woman. And you can determine pretty quickly whether she engages in this sort of behavior. A woman who is able to see shades of grey, and say for example logically notes that most of the men she was involved with in her past relationships had both good and bad qualities, regardless of the final outcome of those relationships, is unlikely to be a woman who is any more than "normal" crazy.

But if everyone from her past was supposedly an asshole who wronged her and treated her badly and deserves punishment, guess what pal: YOU ARE NEXT

This is classic female narcissism. Its rampant today, more and more its happening. I would recommend any guy here read up on it. As you experience lots of women you are guaranteed to meet one. You will approach her, she will be beautiful, the dance begins, she gushes that you are the love of her life, 4 months later something happens(drama), then discard happens to you. It will eat your soul and leave you completely defeated. The special girl you fell in love with, who treated you like a king, has discarded and defeated you in the worst possible ways.

Read up on Female Narcissism, its required reading as much as learning game.

Are there any good books on female narcissism that you can recommend? Thanks.

Post: #66

(01-06-2017 09:26 PM)MKE-Ed Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:56 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:30 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Quote:Idealization or devaluation – The abuser instantly idealizes or devalues (her) interlocutor. He flatters, adores, admires and applauds the "target" in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner – or sulks, abuses, and humiliates (him.)

Abusers are polite only in the presence of a potential would-be victim – a "mate", or a "collaborator". But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment.

My own experience is that the cycle of "idealization" and "devaluation", "black" or "white" thinking is the best indicator of a crazy-time woman. And you can determine pretty quickly whether she engages in this sort of behavior. A woman who is able to see shades of grey, and say for example logically notes that most of the men she was involved with in her past relationships had both good and bad qualities, regardless of the final outcome of those relationships, is unlikely to be a woman who is any more than "normal" crazy.

But if everyone from her past was supposedly an asshole who wronged her and treated her badly and deserves punishment, guess what pal: YOU ARE NEXT

This is classic female narcissism. Its rampant today, more and more its happening. I would recommend any guy here read up on it. As you experience lots of women you are guaranteed to meet one. You will approach her, she will be beautiful, the dance begins, she gushes that you are the love of her life, 4 months later something happens(drama), then discard happens to you. It will eat your soul and leave you completely defeated. The special girl you fell in love with, who treated you like a king, has discarded and defeated you in the worst possible ways.

Read up on Female Narcissism, its required reading as much as learning game.

Are there any good books on female narcissism that you can recommend? Thanks.

Many, I would just Google the topic "Female Narcissism", and watch some videos on it on YouTube. Also search the topic on Amazon. Dr Tara Palmatier is good. Richard Grannon is good on YouTube, as well as Sam Vaknin. There is a ton of good info out there. I love this channel because this guy is just a jaded/shell shocked ex who couldn't hold back from starting a YouTube channel about it. A lot of men would automatically pass on women like this, and many others get sucked in and dont walk away. Many of these issues are related to your childhood. If you are racking up dates and notches, it would behoove you to read up a little on the different types of crazy out there you will likely come across eventually.

Post: #67

(01-06-2017 10:55 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 09:26 PM)MKE-Ed Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:56 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:30 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Quote:Idealization or devaluation – The abuser instantly idealizes or devalues (her) interlocutor. He flatters, adores, admires and applauds the "target" in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner – or sulks, abuses, and humiliates (him.)

Abusers are polite only in the presence of a potential would-be victim – a "mate", or a "collaborator". But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment.

My own experience is that the cycle of "idealization" and "devaluation", "black" or "white" thinking is the best indicator of a crazy-time woman. And you can determine pretty quickly whether she engages in this sort of behavior. A woman who is able to see shades of grey, and say for example logically notes that most of the men she was involved with in her past relationships had both good and bad qualities, regardless of the final outcome of those relationships, is unlikely to be a woman who is any more than "normal" crazy.

But if everyone from her past was supposedly an asshole who wronged her and treated her badly and deserves punishment, guess what pal: YOU ARE NEXT

This is classic female narcissism. Its rampant today, more and more its happening. I would recommend any guy here read up on it. As you experience lots of women you are guaranteed to meet one. You will approach her, she will be beautiful, the dance begins, she gushes that you are the love of her life, 4 months later something happens(drama), then discard happens to you. It will eat your soul and leave you completely defeated. The special girl you fell in love with, who treated you like a king, has discarded and defeated you in the worst possible ways.

Read up on Female Narcissism, its required reading as much as learning game.

Are there any good books on female narcissism that you can recommend? Thanks.

Many, I would just Google the topic "Female Narcissism", and watch some videos on it on YouTube. Also search the topic on Amazon. Dr Tara Palmatier is good. Richard Grannon is good on YouTube, as well as Sam Vaknin. There is a ton of good info out there. I love this channel because this guy is just a jaded/shell shocked ex who couldn't hold back from starting a YouTube channel about it. A lot of men would automatically pass on women like this, and many others get sucked in and dont walk away. Many of these issues are related to your childhood. If you are racking up dates and notches, it would behoove you to read up a little on the different types of crazy out there you will likely come across eventually.

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check out the YouTube channels out. Thanks.

Post: #68

I just go by my gut most of the time. there's too many to count, between the oft mentioned neon hair colors to extreme slutiness/aggressiveness in relationshipping, to a girl straight up mentioning she has mental issues to appear as a special snowflake. I've had a few pull that shit and it just boggled my mind.

In general though if you think a girl is crazy, she's probably crazy. In fact I'd say in some areas it's close to the default.

Post: #69

As a rule of thumb, I just assume that all of them are. Saves me the surprise.

Post: #70

1. Tattoos
2. Piercings other than regular modest earlobe

Simple but shockingly reliable all across the world. I don't know the reasons why but they are reliable and that's all I care about.