Post: #301

^ What experience? You sound like an incel to me.

Post: #302

(12-26-2016 01:09 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I'm not buying the defense of sluts going on here. These bitches are damaged period. Whether they're only fucking alphas or alphas and betas or whatever, they're still taking lots of dick for free and then hamstering away their ridiculous behavior. I'm also not buying the idea that sluts are in any way redeemable because they aren't any more redeemable to me than prostitutes even if they've taken less dick than a whore. Plus if you read through the various game threads here, you'll read plenty of stories about guys that have had girls tell them about their notch counts being in the high 10s, low 100s which puts them in ho territory (stupid ho territory since they're too fucking dumb to at least monetize that shit). But yeah ok, sluts are an easy way for guys to bump their notch counts up and brag about how many chicks they've fucked, and how awesome their game is so I guess its expected that sluts would receive some moral support. In my mind, sluts are the poor man's prostitutes, for guys with shitloads of time to waste on clowning and gaming these fucking worthless ho's.

When you are an alpha, sluts are what happens as you search through the hordes of women for the diamond in the rough.

There's almost no way to distinguish a run of the mill skank from a quality girlfriend until you've banged and started dating them.

Thus, sluts are what happens when you bang a chick who has zero loyalty. Eventually the alpha finds a decent girl, but not before plowing through at least a dozen of them.

However, if all you want is sex, and you have thousands to blow, sure go ahead and grab a top quality hooker. But that same money could have been used to get a top tier girlfriend instead, which is what 90% of men ultimately want anyways.

Men who simply use game to pump and dump women, and treat them like whores, are wasting time IMO. In this we are in agreement. But game is transferable and is what is necessary to get a great girlfriend/wife, whereas paying for a whore teaches you nothing. So at least a man who learns game to pump and dump still walks away from the experience with game, which allows him to actually get a real girlfriend in the future.

Post: #303

(12-26-2016 12:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  ^ What experience? You sound like an incel to me.

It's clear you've failed in convincing anyone of your argument but yourself, so you resort to name calling. I won't stoop to your level of discourse as it doesn't contribute positively to the discussion, but you need to grow the fuck up, man.

Post: #304

I like it when Samseau talks about game. I miss those days. +1 Sam.

Post: #305

(12-26-2016 12:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 01:09 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I'm not buying the defense of sluts going on here. These bitches are damaged period. Whether they're only fucking alphas or alphas and betas or whatever, they're still taking lots of dick for free and then hamstering away their ridiculous behavior. I'm also not buying the idea that sluts are in any way redeemable because they aren't any more redeemable to me than prostitutes even if they've taken less dick than a whore. Plus if you read through the various game threads here, you'll read plenty of stories about guys that have had girls tell them about their notch counts being in the high 10s, low 100s which puts them in ho territory (stupid ho territory since they're too fucking dumb to at least monetize that shit). But yeah ok, sluts are an easy way for guys to bump their notch counts up and brag about how many chicks they've fucked, and how awesome their game is so I guess its expected that sluts would receive some moral support. In my mind, sluts are the poor man's prostitutes, for guys with shitloads of time to waste on clowning and gaming these fucking worthless ho's.

Men who simply use game to pump and dump women, and treat them like whores, are wasting time IMO. In this we are in agreement. But game is transferable and is what is necessary to get a great girlfriend/wife, whereas paying for a whore teaches you nothing. So at least a man who learns game to pump and dump still walks away from the experience with game, which allows him to actually get a real girlfriend in the future.

Yes, men who have lots of experience with a variety of women are certainly more attuned to feminine ways of thinking and behavior. It is far more common for a man to be naive in the ways of womanhood if he has never had a girlfriend, or only had one girl his entire life. That might have been okay in a time when large numbers of people married very young, often to their first relationship partner. When people marry later, there are far more naive men out there who have little to no long-term relationship experience, or experience in general with women. Those men are the most in danger of having a rocky relationship or marriage.

Still, I'm not sure a man needs to pump and dump a lot of women to gain knowledge of how they think and act. There's plenty of great game advice on this forum that provides ample insight. I strongly agree that pumping and dumping is a waste of time, and honestly a bit soul killing. As discussed up-thread, sluts by and large are some of the most broken women you'll ever meet. Yes, it feels good to get off with them, but it kills a bit of the soul each time you do it. While women are overwhelmingly more prone to problems due to promiscuity, I don't think men are completely immune to it, especially seeing the type of women they have to hang around with to rack up huge notch counts. As a man in my 30's now, I really have no desire for casual sex, hence I look for slut tells and viciously next any girl that shows the least sign of being a "reformed" slut.

Men, as a whole, need to discriminate against women when they vote themselves out of the LTR/marriage game by being too slutty.

Post: #306

(12-26-2016 12:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 01:09 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I'm not buying the defense of sluts going on here. These bitches are damaged period. Whether they're only fucking alphas or alphas and betas or whatever, they're still taking lots of dick for free and then hamstering away their ridiculous behavior. I'm also not buying the idea that sluts are in any way redeemable because they aren't any more redeemable to me than prostitutes even if they've taken less dick than a whore. Plus if you read through the various game threads here, you'll read plenty of stories about guys that have had girls tell them about their notch counts being in the high 10s, low 100s which puts them in ho territory (stupid ho territory since they're too fucking dumb to at least monetize that shit). But yeah ok, sluts are an easy way for guys to bump their notch counts up and brag about how many chicks they've fucked, and how awesome their game is so I guess its expected that sluts would receive some moral support. In my mind, sluts are the poor man's prostitutes, for guys with shitloads of time to waste on clowning and gaming these fucking worthless ho's.

When you are an alpha, sluts are what happens as you search through the hordes of women for the diamond in the rough.

There's almost no way to distinguish a run of the mill skank from a quality girlfriend until you've banged and started dating them.

Thus, sluts are what happens when you bang a chick who has zero loyalty. Eventually the alpha finds a decent girl, but not before plowing through at least a dozen of them.

However, if all you want is sex, and you have thousands to blow, sure go ahead and grab a top quality hooker. But that same money could have been used to get a top tier girlfriend instead, which is what 90% of men ultimately want anyways.

Men who simply use game to pump and dump women, and treat them like whores, are wasting time IMO. In this we are in agreement. But game is transferable and is what is necessary to get a great girlfriend/wife, whereas paying for a whore teaches you nothing. So at least a man who learns game to pump and dump still walks away from the experience with game, which allows him to actually get a real girlfriend in the future.

I'm not sure I agree that blowing through dozens upon dozens of sluts is a requirement to learn about female nature. By about slut #10, a guy should be able to figure out what they're all about. Furthermore, the dog and pony show game required for sluts is entirely different from the game required to get and more importantly, keep a top tier gf.

I think the true way to learn about women is to go through every permutation and combination. Sluts, friends with benefits, short term/long term relationships, marriage and yes even escorts are all things that will together give you a complete picture about women. Hell you can learn so much about women by just working with them and doing business with them. Having done pretty much all of the above, I'd say i have a good understanding of women. You know what I've found? That the differences between these various types of women is only a matter of degree and not wholesale in nature.

The other problem with sluts and the guys who fuck them is that they're primarily responsible for the massive increase in STDs. So many of those girls are dirty and don't care that they are. The guys who raw dog them don't care that these girls are dirty. Also this notion that men can collect as many notches as possible and be able to function in a monogamous ltr/marriage with their unicorn is complete bs. Just like I tell my son not to wife up a slut, I tell my daughter not to marry a high notch "player".

Sluts: the broke assed man's prostitute

Post: #307

I'm not promoting p4p, but I'm sure plenty of guys here have done it during a dry spell. It sure as hell doesn't cost thousands for a high quality bang. I've talked to sluts, whores, and strippers.

Strippers are the most manipulative and best liars. Many of them turn to whoring or do it at the same time. They are also mostly into drugs. Most have sexual abuse history that fucked them up.

Whores are a diverse group. You have the high priced call girls, whore house hos, and crack/meth walkers. You have the dubai types, college girls, then addicts.

Sluts think banging hundreds of guys is normal and cool. They hamster it away as normal behavior that everyone is doing. That's the dangerous thing. Most whores know what they are doing is wrong or are embarrassed by whoring. A slut thinks running a train is normal. They might even count the 10 guys as 1 notch. Since they are doing nothing wrong, there is no reason to stop slutting when they are LTR or marry a chump.

Anyway I'm older than most of you guys and I've been in LTR with "reformed" sluts before. If they banged 500 guys because they liked 500 different cocks in their holes, yours certainly won't be the last one just because you stuck a rock on her finger.

Post: #308

(12-26-2016 01:09 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I'm not sure I agree that blowing through dozens upon dozens of sluts is a requirement to learn about female nature. By about slut #10, a guy should be able to figure out what they're all about. Furthermore, the dog and pony show game required for sluts is entirely different from the game required to get and more importantly, keep a top tier gf.

I think the true way to learn about women is to go through every permutation and combination. Sluts, friends with benefits, short term/long term relationships, marriage and yes even escorts are all things that will together give you a complete picture about women. Hell you can learn so much about women by just working with them and doing business with them. Having done pretty much all of the above, I'd say i have a good understanding of women. You know what I've found? That the differences between these various types of women is only a matter of degree and not wholesale in nature.

The other problem with sluts and the guys who fuck them is that they're primarily responsible for the massive increase in STDs. So many of those girls are dirty and don't care that they are. The guys who raw dog them don't care that these girls are dirty. Also this notion that men can collect as many notches as possible and be able to function in a monogamous ltr/marriage with their unicorn is complete bs. Just like I tell my son not to wife up a slut, I tell my daughter not to marry a high notch "player".

Sluts: the broke assed man's prostitute

Bingo, we have a winner. That last line is golden.

I've lurked around on these boards for a few months now, and it amazes me that (some) guys here actually brag about fucking 6s or women that are otherwise easy. You've gotta be kidding me. The focus should always be on top quality women, they're the ones worth any effort. I'm talking an 8 minimum in looks, a solid education, not a gold digger etc etc. You get the picture.

There's nothing to learn from - and certainly nothing to brag about - bangin a chic who gives it up too easily, whether she's a ho or a slut.

Post: #309

(12-26-2016 10:09 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 01:09 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I'm not sure I agree that blowing through dozens upon dozens of sluts is a requirement to learn about female nature. By about slut #10, a guy should be able to figure out what they're all about. Furthermore, the dog and pony show game required for sluts is entirely different from the game required to get and more importantly, keep a top tier gf.

I think the true way to learn about women is to go through every permutation and combination. Sluts, friends with benefits, short term/long term relationships, marriage and yes even escorts are all things that will together give you a complete picture about women. Hell you can learn so much about women by just working with them and doing business with them. Having done pretty much all of the above, I'd say i have a good understanding of women. You know what I've found? That the differences between these various types of women is only a matter of degree and not wholesale in nature.

The other problem with sluts and the guys who fuck them is that they're primarily responsible for the massive increase in STDs. So many of those girls are dirty and don't care that they are. The guys who raw dog them don't care that these girls are dirty. Also this notion that men can collect as many notches as possible and be able to function in a monogamous ltr/marriage with their unicorn is complete bs. Just like I tell my son not to wife up a slut, I tell my daughter not to marry a high notch "player".

Sluts: the broke assed man's prostitute

Bingo, we have a winner. That last line is golden.

I've lurked around on these boards for a few months now, and it amazes me that (some) guys here actually brag about fucking 6s or women that are otherwise easy. You've gotta be kidding me. The focus should always be on top quality women, they're the ones worth any effort. I'm talking an 8 minimum in looks, a solid education, not a gold digger etc etc. You get the picture.

There's nothing to learn from - and certainly nothing to brag about - bangin a chic who gives it up too easily, whether she's a ho or a slut.

The law of averages shows that not every man is going to get an 8, simply because the "average" woman is more around a 5 or 6. That being said, if a 5 or 6 is a wholesome woman otherwise, and the man finds that she meets his threshold for attraction, I say let them have a happy relationship/marriage! I know many couples that are "average" in terms of looks, but are happily married. I honestly think the sweet spot for many women if you're looking for a LTR is somewhere between a 5-7. A girl that is cute and sweet, but not drop dead gorgeous. Having dated a handful of 8+, I can say with good authority that women with such impressive looks know they have lots of options and tend to be higher maintaince. They have the looks to demand the price, and are used to so much male attention that they don't value it as much as say a cute 6 who isn't hit on as much. Can a hot girl be a great wife or mother? Sure, but you had better filter to make sure it hasn't gone to her head.

I think a simple flowchart men ought to follow is like this:

1. Does this woman meet my attraction threshold? For some men, that's only a 5, or 6. If it is higher, then you have less to choose from. That's fine, as long as you can attract and keep a woman either way, regardless of her level of attractiveness.
2. If the answer to question 1 is "yes", then start screening for relationship/wifely/motherly traits.
3. If she has them, great, continue and keep on screening and testing her for LTR quality.
4. If she has serious flaws, go back to step number 1.
5. Repeat as many times as necessary.
6. When you've done steps 1-4 enough times, you'll know how to spot a good woman worthy of LTR/marriage.
7. Wife her up, put buns in her oven and keep gaming her.
8. Teach other men to do likewise.

Post: #310

(12-26-2016 10:25 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  That being said, if a 5 or 6 is a wholesome woman otherwise, and the man finds that she meets his threshold for attraction, I say let them have a happy relationship/marriage!

I agree 100%. Ultimately it is up to each one of us to decide what makes us happy, even if others might disagree.

My only gripe was that some guys on the board see it as a mark of accomplishment, one that bestows "player" status upon them. Anyway, if it makes them happy, great.

Post: #311

I agree with you JMK. The "average" man should probably marry a 5-7. The golden rule is to marry slightly below your own SMV.

That said, we aren't an average group of guys around here. Would you put all that effort into building yourself up just to marry a 5? Nah.

We should all be shooting to wife up a 6 minimum. Higher than 8 starts to require LTR higher maintenance in most cases.

Post: #312

My own personal threshold is higher than a 5 for marriage. Given all that a man sacrifices for marriage and children, it is best to get the best possible deal with looks and personality that you can leverage. I wouldn't mind marrying a 7 if she had the personality of a saint.

Trying to get an absolute smokeshow for marriage is a risky proposition, unless she is one of those genuine and gracious girls that doesn't let her looks go to her head. I'd say those are in the minority in the upper scales of looks.

Men of RVF should aim high, but realize there can be diminishing returns. No matter what, a a man must filter, filter, filter! Screening for the best possible woman is what gets the job done right.

Post: #313

I always assume 250, never ask, and game away.

Post: #314

The higher up the more likely she will be a demanding cunt. If she has social media accounts, expect her to cheat

Post: #315

(12-28-2016 08:03 PM)dallasguy Wrote:  The higher up the more likely she will be a demanding cunt. If she has social media accounts, expect her to cheat

Strongly agree with girls who use social media, especially in excess (or worse yet as a profession!) are high-risk! It takes the natural inclination of women to be vain and amplifies it through the roof. Even otherwise nice girls aren't immune to the desire to be famous. Women use attention as a currency. I'm actually very pleasantly surprised when I meet the occasional girl who doesn't spend too much time on social media, and posts mostly pictures of friends and family, with very few or no selfies. A huge red flag for me is when a girl has 4000+ facebook "friends". Nobody has thousands of friends like that. It means she cares more about shallow appearances than true intimacy. Avoid like the plague!

Post: #316

(12-26-2016 10:09 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  I've lurked around on these boards for a few months now, and it amazes me that (some) guys here actually brag about fucking 6s or women that are otherwise easy. You've gotta be kidding me. The focus should always be on top quality women, they're the ones worth any effort. I'm talking an 8 minimum in looks, a solid education, not a gold digger etc etc. You get the picture.

There's nothing to learn from - and certainly nothing to brag about - bangin a chic who gives it up too easily, whether she's a ho or a slut.

Sounds like you should consider going back to lurking.

There are a lot of men on this board and plenty of them are going to be ugly, short, or have other factors that make their SMV closer to average or below average. There are also plenty of guys that are super blue pill just coming into this. Both those groups should not be looked down upon for not shooting for (or at least not landing) 8+ girls. Your post comes across as a combination of Big Baller Troll and Player-Hater Troll.

(12-26-2016 12:51 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 12:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  ^ What experience? You sound like an incel to me.

It's clear you've failed in convincing anyone of your argument but yourself, so you resort to name calling. I won't stoop to your level of discourse as it doesn't contribute positively to the discussion, but you need to grow the fuck up, man.

In one breath you say you won't swoop (perhaps you meant stoop) to his level of discourse and then tell him he needs to "grow the fuck up."

Perhaps you should re-read what you post before hitting the submit button.

Post: #317

(12-26-2016 10:09 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  I've lurked around on these boards for a few months now, and it amazes me that (some) guys here actually brag about fucking 6s or women that are otherwise easy. You've gotta be kidding me. The focus should always be on top quality women, they're the ones worth any effort. I'm talking an 8 minimum in looks, a solid education, not a gold digger etc etc. You get the picture.

That is discounting a few things:

- 6-7s can be much sweeter, better at sex, and share more intense sexual chemistry with one specific man... than an "8 minimum in looks, a solid education"
- 8 minimum in looks means you will be tested much more by others when you are out with her, and that she will receive much more unwanted attention when not with you
- "a solid education"... if you mean of the university variety, then that is a negative in my experience (brainwashed, leftism) and tends to make them colder and more mercenary

I hear what you are saying; we should hold ourselves to high standards and expect much in a partner. But the grass is not always greener.

Post: #318

(12-26-2016 06:59 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  I'm not sure I agree that blowing through dozens upon dozens of sluts is a requirement to learn about female nature. By about slut #10, a guy should be able to figure out what they're all about.

If they are a fast learner, yes.

Quote: Furthermore, the dog and pony show game required for sluts is entirely different from the game required to get and more importantly, keep a top tier gf.

Completely false. All women have the same nature.

Quote:I think the true way to learn about women is to go through every permutation and combination. Sluts, friends with benefits, short term/long term relationships, marriage and yes even escorts are all things that will together give you a complete picture about women. Hell you can learn so much about women by just working with them and doing business with them. Having done pretty much all of the above, I'd say i have a good understanding of women. You know what I've found? That the differences between these various types of women is only a matter of degree and not wholesale in nature.

Congrats on contradicting yourself.

If women only differ in degree, then it is not true the game required for sluts is any different from good girls. The game remains the same, only the volume and intensity changes.

Quote:Also this notion that men can collect as many notches as possible and be able to function in a monogamous ltr/marriage with their unicorn is complete bs.

It's not, and men have been doing it since the ancient times (and long before recorded history as well). If you ever read autobiographical accounts of historical figures you will learn.

Male nature never changes.

Quote: Just like I tell my son not to wife up a slut, I tell my daughter not to marry a high notch "player".

Worthless advice, people lie about their past.

Quote:Sluts: the broke assed man's prostitute

Spoken like a true beta.

Post: #319

(12-28-2016 11:58 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 10:09 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  I've lurked around on these boards for a few months now, and it amazes me that (some) guys here actually brag about fucking 6s or women that are otherwise easy. You've gotta be kidding me. The focus should always be on top quality women, they're the ones worth any effort. I'm talking an 8 minimum in looks, a solid education, not a gold digger etc etc. You get the picture.

That is discounting a few things:

- 6-7s can be much sweeter, better at sex, and share more intense sexual chemistry with one specific man... than an "8 minimum in looks, a solid education"
- 8 minimum in looks means you will be tested much more by others when you are out with her, and that she will receive much more unwanted attention when not with you
- "a solid education"... if you mean of the university variety, then that is a negative in my experience (brainwashed, leftism) and tends to make them colder and more mercenary

I hear what you are saying; we should hold ourselves to high standards and expect much in a partner. But the grass is not always greener.

People also forget that a 6-7 is "above-average" which is actually pretty good.

Post: #320

(12-29-2016 04:02 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 11:58 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 10:09 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  I've lurked around on these boards for a few months now, and it amazes me that (some) guys here actually brag about fucking 6s or women that are otherwise easy. You've gotta be kidding me. The focus should always be on top quality women, they're the ones worth any effort. I'm talking an 8 minimum in looks, a solid education, not a gold digger etc etc. You get the picture.

That is discounting a few things:

- 6-7s can be much sweeter, better at sex, and share more intense sexual chemistry with one specific man... than an "8 minimum in looks, a solid education"
- 8 minimum in looks means you will be tested much more by others when you are out with her, and that she will receive much more unwanted attention when not with you
- "a solid education"... if you mean of the university variety, then that is a negative in my experience (brainwashed, leftism) and tends to make them colder and more mercenary

I hear what you are saying; we should hold ourselves to high standards and expect much in a partner. But the grass is not always greener.

People also forget that a 6-7 is "above-average" which is actually pretty good.

Not when the average american broad weighs more now then men did in the 1960's.

Post: #321

Quote:I'm not sure I agree that blowing through dozens upon dozens of sluts is a requirement to learn about female nature. By about slut #10, a guy should be able to figure out what they're all about.

Quote:If they are a fast learner, yes.

I'd say the average man here is a fast learner. Overwhelmingly, men who get into game are INTJ. They are the rational types that can understand game if they don't think about it to death, but internalize it and take action. I'd say the hardest part for most men learning about the nature of women is actually taking action. Reading 1,000 forum posts or blog articles won't do you any good if you don't bust a move. Men that bust a move, even if done poorly, have a infinitely better chance than those on the sidelines. If a man refuses to learn after he's actually been in the thick of the action he's either dense or self-deluding. If you've been reading on game (and applying it), it shouldn't take long to grasp the principles.

Quote: Furthermore, the dog and pony show game required for sluts is entirely different from the game required to get and more importantly, keep a top tier gf.

Quote:Completely false. All women have the same nature.

Yes and no. Yes, all women want alpha males, ideally an alpha provider. All women like exciting men, even if sometimes that man is a asshole. Some prefer the benevolent alpha over the asshole alpha. On that much, we can certainly agree that sluts and long-term oriented women both prefer alpha men. Being confident is enough to land you a decent LTR girl, whereas you might need to be a total jackass to game a hot slut who loves to shit test. Being a total jackass can certainly land you the bar bitch, but jackassery isn't a necessary skill for maintaining a LTR or marriage if a man has filtered out bitches and filtered in a more pleasant woman. Both women will still like to be fucked roughly from time to time. There's certainly game principles that overlap STR and LTR women, but they aren't universally the same.

Quote:I think the true way to learn about women is to go through every permutation and combination. Sluts, friends with benefits, short term/long term relationships, marriage and yes even escorts are all things that will together give you a complete picture about women. Hell you can learn so much about women by just working with them and doing business with them. Having done pretty much all of the above, I'd say i have a good understanding of women. You know what I've found? That the differences between these various types of women is only a matter of degree and not wholesale in nature.

Quote:Congrats on contradicting yourself.

If women only differ in degree, then it is not true the game required for sluts is any different from good girls. The game remains the same, only the volume and intensity changes.

Perhaps we're really arguing over semantics? To me, if I have to act like a complete asshole to game a hardened bitch into bed, yes, that's me being hyper aggressive and cocky. If I only need literally 10-20% of that same confidence (without the asshole bits) to game a nice girl into a LTR, is it really the same? Confidence is universally attractive to women, I'll give you that.

Still, any woman worth keeping for a LTR requires the man to have some level of communication skills beyond assholery. If all a man is used to is gaming hardened bitches, and then doesn't switch it off (if he can) when finally trying to get into a LTR, I think he's headed for the rocks. To me, that's where the distinction between gaining attraction in STR versus LTR girls matters. Do you actually have the LTR skills to maintain a relationship? That's not necessarily the same set of tools to game a bitch.

Quote:Also this notion that men can collect as many notches as possible and be able to function in a monogamous ltr/marriage with their unicorn is complete bs.

Quote:It's not, and men have been doing it since the ancient times (and long before recorded history as well). If you ever read autobiographical accounts of historical figures you will learn.

Male nature never changes.

I don't think this is as clear cut. Some men can rack up huge numbers of notches, but still at some point in their life (usually when they enter their late 20's or early 30's from my observation) decide they want a wife and children. These men set out to find that wife, and then have kids with her, living happily ever after. On average male promiscuity doesn't have the same effect on men that female promiscuity has on women. That's one set of men.

Another set of men are men who have racked up all the notches while single, but then settle down to get married. These guys constantly struggle to be loyal to their wives, and cheat on the side. This is where a lot of broken homes come from. In ancient times, powerful men often cheated on the side, but tried to be discreet about it, or maintain some semblance of their marriage. A lot of men in today's digital age leave a bunch of breadcrumbs for their wives to find, and it blows up in their face.

I personally don't condone cheating from men or women in a LTR/marriage. Furthermore, a man who racks up tons of notches should try very hard to be in a long-term relationship for an extended period of time before getting married. There are some really sexually unrestricted men that can't really control being faithful in a marriage. These men who are real players and have no LTR game or intention of being loyal are better off remaining single or if they have a coming to Jesus moment, live out their rest of their lives in the desert as a monk.

Quote: Just like I tell my son not to wife up a slut, I tell my daughter not to marry a high notch "player".

Quote:Worthless advice, people lie about their past.

Yes, people lie all the time. In the matters of promiscuity, asking that question directly is probably a waste of time. Think about it, if it is the truth (and low notch count) you might assume they are lowering. That still doesn't get rid of the nagging questions in your mind.

A better way to determine a woman's LTR value is by inspecting tertiary information:

+ Does she have a good relationship with her father?
+ Does her mother respect her father?
+ If the girl has been in a relationship before, ideally it was for a long time, not hopping from man to man
+ Ideally you marry a woman as young as possible, as age correlates with notch count
+ What are her friends like? If they are in happy LTR/marriages, she will take their social cues from them. If they are all drunken sluts, steer clear!

I'd steer my daughters away from "reformed" players, simply for the reason that that I've seen time and again they have a very high rate of cheating once married. Some men aren't cut out for relationships/marriage, period. That's not the same thing as trying to marry off a daughter to some limp wrist beta with no masculinity. Fathers ought to steer their girls toward benevolent alphas, who even if they had some STR's in the past, at least have some history of being able to maintain a LTR once in their life.

(12-29-2016 05:22 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 04:02 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 11:58 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 10:09 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  I've lurked around on these boards for a few months now, and it amazes me that (some) guys here actually brag about fucking 6s or women that are otherwise easy. You've gotta be kidding me. The focus should always be on top quality women, they're the ones worth any effort. I'm talking an 8 minimum in looks, a solid education, not a gold digger etc etc. You get the picture.

That is discounting a few things:

- 6-7s can be much sweeter, better at sex, and share more intense sexual chemistry with one specific man... than an "8 minimum in looks, a solid education"
- 8 minimum in looks means you will be tested much more by others when you are out with her, and that she will receive much more unwanted attention when not with you
- "a solid education"... if you mean of the university variety, then that is a negative in my experience (brainwashed, leftism) and tends to make them colder and more mercenary

I hear what you are saying; we should hold ourselves to high standards and expect much in a partner. But the grass is not always greener.

People also forget that a 6-7 is "above-average" which is actually pretty good.

Not when the average american broad weighs more now then men did in the 1960's.

Very valid points in all the quotes above. That's why a man who is happy marrying a 6 (an actual six, not a weight-adjusted six) can still do so by being an attractive man with the qualities a LTR-oriented girl is going to want. These women are still in short supply here in the United States. That's why any man seeking marriage must keep his options open for different states and cities within the USA for the wife search, in addition to hunting abroad.

Post: #322

(12-29-2016 03:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 06:59 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  I'm not sure I agree that blowing through dozens upon dozens of sluts is a requirement to learn about female nature. By about slut #10, a guy should be able to figure out what they're all about.

If they are a fast learner, yes.

Quote: Furthermore, the dog and pony show game required for sluts is entirely different from the game required to get and more importantly, keep a top tier gf.

Completely false. All women have the same nature.

Quote:I think the true way to learn about women is to go through every permutation and combination. Sluts, friends with benefits, short term/long term relationships, marriage and yes even escorts are all things that will together give you a complete picture about women. Hell you can learn so much about women by just working with them and doing business with them. Having done pretty much all of the above, I'd say i have a good understanding of women. You know what I've found? That the differences between these various types of women is only a matter of degree and not wholesale in nature.

Congrats on contradicting yourself.

If women only differ in degree, then it is not true the game required for sluts is any different from good girls. The game remains the same, only the volume and intensity changes.

Quote:Also this notion that men can collect as many notches as possible and be able to function in a monogamous ltr/marriage with their unicorn is complete bs.

It's not, and men have been doing it since the ancient times (and long before recorded history as well). If you ever read autobiographical accounts of historical figures you will learn.

Male nature never changes.

Quote: Just like I tell my son not to wife up a slut, I tell my daughter not to marry a high notch "player".

Worthless advice, people lie about their past.

Quote:Sluts: the broke assed man's prostitute

Spoken like a true beta.

You know Samseau, I have no problem with you disagreeing with my assertions here. In fact, I'm sure most of the guys reading my post agree with you more than me. However, rather than arguing my points with any sort of reasoned substance, you've decided on cliched personal insults, calling people you've never met incels and beta males. I would tell you that your mode of rebuttal is one of a classic, thinned skinned "beta male" who can't handle having any of his views challenged. If you feel my view on this subject matter makes me a beta male loser then so be it. I'll just have to defer to your infinite alpha wisdom. I will say, my advice to my kids is sound and if you think its worthless because you can't figure out when you're being lied to, then perhaps you ought to reassess the level of your game and make the necessary adjustments.

Post: #323

(12-28-2016 10:55 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Sounds like you should consider going back to lurking.

There are a lot of men on this board and plenty of them are going to be ugly, short, or have other factors that make their SMV closer to average or below average. There are also plenty of guys that are super blue pill just coming into this. Both those groups should not be looked down upon for not shooting for (or at least not landing) 8+ girls. Your post comes across as a combination of Big Baller Troll and Player-Hater Troll.

Sounds like you need a course in basic reading comprehension.

Try reading my post again, and maybe you'll realize that I wasn't looking down at the guys for getting with these women - I was mocking them for bragging about it. Just about every guy I know (myself included) has at times hooked up with women he wasn't too crazy about, and that's totally fine. But it's in poor taste to pretend like it's some sort of accomplishment.

As for your defense of Samseau, he's resorted to name calling against others as well. Check out his response to doc holiday's post. There's a big difference between calling someone "beta loser" and "incel" first, vs asking someone (in response to name calling) to grow up.

Post: #324

It's not an insult to call someone an incel or beta male if they seriously think prostitutes are taking the high road compared to sluts. It's obvious they lack relevant experience. I'm just telling it like it is.

Quote:A better way to determine a woman's LTR value is by inspecting tertiary information:

+ Does she have a good relationship with her father?
+ Does her mother respect her father?
+ If the girl has been in a relationship before, ideally it was for a long time, not hopping from man to man
+ Ideally you marry a woman as young as possible, as age correlates with notch count
+ What are her friends like? If they are in happy LTR/marriages, she will take their social cues from them. If they are all drunken sluts, steer clear!

These are good indicators for women, but a woman who wants to play you will hide all of these things effortlessly. I think guys here underestimate how cunning women actually can be if they need something from you. Most women today don't bother hiding how skanky they are because they know guys are thirsty enough to put up with the bullshit.

Moreover, there is absolutely no way for a woman to know if she's with a player or not. I've never had a single woman figure it out without me telling them, and quite frankly I cannot tell if a man is a player or not just by looking at them. Usually I ask for proof of some kind, and the guys I've met with massive notch counts are people I would have never guessed.

Post: #325

In my experience women are actually shitty liars, but thirsty men are desperate not to see the truth.

When you get laid daily in a happy marriage all female bullshit suddenly becomes as plain as the nose on your face and you wonder how you ever used to fall for it.