Post: #526

^ Good stuff, Zamski. If I recall correctly, the Fil-Am guy I mentioned also said the same thing about being Asian in the Phils.

To be honest, one of the reasons I didn't move to SEA - aside from the ridiculous humidity, and my predilection for sweater kittens - was my perception that ALL the girls were white foreigner groupies.

Post: #527

(12-24-2016 07:05 AM)262 Wrote:  ^ Good stuff, Zamski. If I recall correctly, the Fil-Am guy I mentioned also said the same thing about being Asian in the Phils.

To be honest, one of the reasons I didn't move to SEA - aside from the ridiculous humidity, and my predilection for sweater kittens - was my perception that ALL the girls were white foreigner groupies.

The SE Asian cultures are definitely more than suitable for our type of game, but those cultures do not come without their own petty nuisances of course.

Regarding Asian foreigners with the more pale "Eastern" complexion, Thailand is very good especially with the right social connections. It's more acceptable for local women to date those types opposed to "stereotypical" white gringo. Entering those correct "spheres of influence" would be much easier for a modest Asian dude whom local people can feel more comfortable around. This is stuff I hear from RVF dudes and local friends on the ground in Thailand.

From what others tell me, Singapore seems to be a much more favorable place for white guys though there is a quality drop off anyways.

Post: #528

(12-24-2016 07:05 AM)262 Wrote:  ^ Good stuff, Zamski. If I recall correctly, the Fil-Am guy I mentioned also said the same thing about being Asian in the Phils.

To be honest, one of the reasons I didn't move to SEA - aside from the ridiculous humidity, and my predilection for sweater kittens - was my perception that ALL the girls were white foreigner groupies.

haha. No, definitely not ALL Thai girls are white foreigner groupies.

Post: #529

Can confirm on hotter girls being in the higher Asian social classes being more open to people who look similar. The social group will be more open to you as well. Give SE Asia a shot gents, you generally won't be disappointed.

Post: #530

From what I have noticed, the girls that go for white guys or non-Asian guys and the girls that go for Asian guys are (a lot of the time) mutually exclusive (SE Asia)

Post: #531

Re: the whole discussion about Asian players being able to unlock that highest social tier in SEA... one of the girls I smashed in the Phils was from these upper class families that run the country. Dad was a CEO and mom was an SVP at BMW phils, just moved to a new mansion near Maginhawa in QC. She has a ridiculously high sex drive, but limited herself to only local dick, but then went crazy over me because I'm 6'. No foreigners allowed, that wouldn't be good at all for face of her family. We still talk quite regularly.

Re: Brosemite's year end review. I'm not going to be nearly that extensive, but this was THE year for true neomasculine advancement for myself. Although I had begun increasing my lays, fashion, and fitness, the limiting factor was still being in college. Graduating and being unshackled, and having a good bankroll finally was able to propel me from theory to action.

29 lays for the year, all except for maybe 3 coming after I moved into my own dope pad in downtown Austin in July. Got new suits, shirts, shoes, sweaters, coats, etc, etc. Started lifting at least once a week, not more since I travel for consulting work. Grew myself a respectable amount of facial hair, which has been YUUUUGE. The amount of post bang pillow talk that revolves around playing with it or commenting on its unusualness for an Asian guy has been remarkable. Just bought a sick new 2014 Mercedes C coupe to replace an old 2003 SUV, and I can't wait to take it out in the Austin hills.

Began travelling redpill. Went to the Phils, Boston, and SLC with this mentality. Had a great week partying and living easy with several other RVF members in Playa Del Carmen a few weeks ago. Funded by the points and miles hustle, re: global entry, elcid, mentavious, etc.

Finally mastered secret society, being able to convey that sex is fun and natural, that I'm not judgmental to her (maintaining a straight face as she drops her notch count of several dozen...), and being able to present us as on the same team. (look at all those beta cucks and chodes, they just don't get it... but I do, and you do). This is now an integral part of gaming any girl I meet now. Hamster deactivation.

I don't post too often on RVF anymore because MC hours take a lot, and because Flyertalk has slowly been working its way into my information diet. I thought about but didn't post this in the regular game forum because it would be buried quickly, and because I felt this would be better served providing value add to this burgeoning group of us redpill Asian men.

Merry Christmas, and may 2017 bring greater fortune for us all.

Post: #532

(12-25-2016 07:06 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  From what I have noticed, the girls that go for white guys or non-Asian guys and the girls that go for Asian guys are (a lot of the time) mutually exclusive (SE Asia)

Truth.

Don't hang out at the clubs where all the white guys go...you will be invisible. Head to the bars where locals cold shoulder the white boys. If you are not an idiot backpacker [or at least don't behave like one] you will do much better. Befriend the guys first. Most guys in those countries like to have foreign friends, it is a status thing, especially if they can speak English with you and show this off to their friends. Also it changes the frame from you trying to hit on their friends - and making them look beta - to them being able to stay involved and introduce their "cool foreigner friend" to girls and make himself look like he is connected and cool. I don't need to explain why this would win you big points in our culture(s). You might spend the entire night drinking and bullshitting with the guys, but after that you're "in". Now they'll be inviting you to parties and everything else and you can start to do your thing. Remember your ability to blend in is the key. Girls in those circles are too self conscious to be seen getting cute with a white boy in front of everyone but with you she can do it without drawing attention and still feel cool. The game is different for us as always.

Post: #533

(12-25-2016 08:38 AM)swuglyfe Wrote:  Finally mastered secret society, being able to convey that sex is fun and natural, that I'm not judgmental to her (maintaining a straight face as she drops her notch count of several dozen...), and being able to present us as on the same team. (look at all those beta cucks and chodes, they just don't get it... but I do, and you do). This is now an integral part of gaming any girl I meet now. Hamster deactivation.

Still working on getting this. For some reason I regularly build the right energy with Asian, black and latina girls, some will even comment early in the convo that they 'know I'm a player' and ask me 'how many girlfriends I have right now' and things like that, so I do well with them. However with white girls the energy is still non existent and hard for me to get them to see me in a sexual way. The handful of white girls I banged this year weren't from good game - two obviously had serious Asian fever and the others weren't anything high quality. My game might need adjusting but I think it's mostly a mental thing - I will be honest - talking to a gorgeous Asian or black girl doesn't get me nervous at all, but talking to a hot blonde white girl gets me overthinking everything.

Post: #534

Thanks for the feedback guys. I wouldn't say my previous post was a full-fledged year end review but moreso an update on happenings. Also wanted to reiterate that the grass isn't necessarily greener on "the other side" though I loved being a part of the everyday social scene in Curitiba, Brazil.

When mentioning the nuances that rubbed me the wrong way about the city, I wanted to avoid the obvious complaints about Brazil being bureaucracy & safety issues, which were by the way quite prevalent during my stay there.

(12-25-2016 09:45 AM)Gas Wrote:  Still working on getting this. For some reason I regularly build the right energy with Asian, black and latina girls, some will even comment early in the convo that they 'know I'm a player' and ask me 'how many girlfriends I have right now' and things like that, so I do well with them. However with white girls the energy is still non existent and hard for me to get them to see me in a sexual way. The handful of white girls I banged this year weren't from good game - two obviously had serious Asian fever and the others weren't anything high quality. My game might need adjusting but I think it's mostly a mental thing - I will be honest - talking to a gorgeous Asian or black girl doesn't get me nervous at all, but talking to a hot blonde white girl gets me overthinking everything.

That is a good honest assessment. Here is my feedback.

1) The girl has to SHOW YOU something as well - You're giving these specific white girls too much credit for being white girls. Should be a two way deal. End of the day, they have to show you something besides just being a "white chick." Don't be too impressed. Qualify her with questions so that she has to prove herself to you. Be willing to walk if she doesn't give you're not impressed. Brings me to my next point....

2) Cut out the "girl doesn't view me in a sexual way" nonsense - Don't put too much pressure into selling these white chicks on your "sense of sexual worth." This whole macroscopic view of fighting on behalf of all Asian males when macking on white chicks should be eliminated altogether. Cut out that mode of thinking when you're in the heat of the moment. The only thing you should be pondering is putting your dick inside her. Don't overcomplicate things.

The other advantage of an attractive white gal "not viewing you in a sexual manner" is it gives you the benefit of the doubt. You can be even more aggressive & quicker with your "push & pull" strategies with a higher frequency of touches alternating between the waist & shoulders. She's not expecting it so you can escalate harder without her crying foul.

You can be shot down by a girl, but not truly rejected unless she has known you well for at least two years so don't take it so personally. I've lost track of girls who didn't initially perceive me with the sexual IOIs only for me to bang them anyways.

3) "You've Been There Before" - As mentioned in number two, you need to compete in the heat of the moment. Be entitled; act as if you're the most important guy in the room with the most to offer. Demand the attention of others. Don't be too impressed by what the "opposition" has to offer. It's like being an athlete in the middle of an intense competition. Past results do not matter as you're just living in the present. You think Russell Westbrook is that impressed with Steph Curry in the middle of a competitive game? No. He gets his ass off and competes until the clock expires.

4) Why You Should Be Entitled - You need to start believing in yourself due to the past and current accomplishments of the Asian race. It shouldn't be an excuse to fall short but rather continue the lineage of success from the past, to the present, and into the future. I'm not getting into the contributions of Asian success into global society bc it's ain't necessary. I feel proud to have ancestry from Asia due to the accomplishments of the continent despite turmoil of wars, violence, political upheaval, etc. As much as I loved living in Brazil, I can honestly say the accomplishments of Latin America just do not match up despite never really suffering through the major wars and adversity Asian societies have had to deal with. Resilience = Deserved Entitlement.

5) You're Doing Her a Favor - How many times is an attractive white girl going to be hit on by a confident Asian dude? She likely hasn't experienced it too often so will as a result be in shock as well. You nervous? Well so is she. I've made this mistake too often by maybe speaking too fast or going too quick. The answer is to calm things down by qualifying her with slow questions. While you're doing that, lean in gradually each time with the slow push & pull escalation methods. Whisper goofy stuff in her ear if you're not the suave romantic type by nature.

6) Aloof Guy with Nothing Gain - Making an observation about the current setting. Pointing at the elephant in the room. Asking a dumb question. These aren't just good openers. If done correctly, they set the tone for the conversation making her react on your own terms despite coming off as non-threatening initially. You're not intentionally romanticizing her from the get go. As the conversation keeps going...well..will just leave it to your imagination...

Altering your game for different types of gals can be key. Sometimes, you don't even need that as all it takes is to reframe your perception of the situation altogether.

Post: #535

Brosemite - love it. Great advice. Thanks.

Post: #536

(12-24-2016 02:07 AM)ZAMSKI Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 06:50 AM)262 Wrote:  Ah, JWLZG, so it was you who sent me the page reading "80085" (BOOBS). They certainly get my attention, and are a major reason I'm here!

Anyway, yup, Asian guy living in Gdansk checking in here. It's a few hours by train from either Krakow or Wroclaw. If you come up, send me a PM. I recommend it in fact, especially as an Asian guy, since most tourists go to Krakow or Wroclaw. Don't expect miracles, of course.

ZAMSKI, how's Thailand as an Asian guy? Almost all the reports about SEA are from white guys. I can only think of this late 20's Fil-Am in the Phils as a decent example, off the top of my head: http://3rdworldhero.blogspot.com/p/about...y-guy.html

Also add Cambodian-Australian YouTuber Troy Nguyen, in Vietnam: https://www.youtube.com/user/nguyenimproved14

Also, a late add to d_hzy's post: an unusual amount of my day game number closes in Atlanta, aside from being Former Soviet Union, were also Latinas. But Brosemite is the expert here on them.

Thailand overall I think is good as an Asian guy assuming you have your shit together (game, style, fitness, etc.). Thai women are generally receptive to other Asians...unless that Thai girl is a white foreigner groupie.

If you are targeting the middle and upper class Thai girls (who in my opinion are the higher quality and better looking ones as opposed to the foreigner groupies), being Asian can be very helpful...at least here in the north in Chiang Mai.

I have spent a little more than a year here and I noticed that it is the super Thai places (as in you won't see foreigners or backpackers) where the higher quality Thai chicks go to. Thai girls usually go to these places with their social circle (sometimes all girls, sometime mixed sets).

At these places, there is a huge stigma against talking to a non-Asian foreigner because non-Asian foreigners stand out like a sore thumb. The girls don't want to be judged in front of their friends and other Thais present in the bar. This is where being Asian comes in handy because you blend in better. You don't stick out as much. If you know a couple of phrases in Thai and open in Thai, off to the races you go.

100% agree with you. I got some flak in my Jakarta datasheet where white posters said I was being delusional for saying that the middle to top tier local girls usually prefer a put together non-local Asian guy than a white man. They bring the exoticism but still give girls plausible deniability in not looking like a stereotypical trollop who jumps on white dick.

Post: #537

I've met with a couple guys off the forum (asian / non-asian) and while the white guys were pulling numbers, some of them were just straight busted. One even admitted as much when he started settling in after a while. However, he did bang some hotties too. Just remember their scale is completely different then what locals / asian guys think as good looking, which means less competition for us

Post: #538

(12-28-2016 04:29 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  I've met with a couple guys off the forum (asian / non-asian) and while the white guys were pulling numbers, some of them were just straight busted. One even admitted as much when he started settling in after a while. However, he did bang some hotties too. Just remember their scale is completely different then what locals / asian guys think as good looking, which means less competition for us

It is rare I see a non asian guy in Asia with a 7+. I think for them skinny = hot and all the faces look the same to them. For example the photo below, I dont know about you guys but I would consider all of them 5s and that is with makeup and they are probably photoshopped too. I think most white guys would consider them 7s and up because most white girls dont have bodies like that. I think everybody rates races different to their own 1 or 2 points up. The same is probably true in reverse (asian guys white girls). So we are obviously chasing different girls.

   

Post: #539

^ I've definitely seen some quite attractive Asian ladies with Caucasian men during my time in Asia.

I'm guessing the female was likely SE Asian & of the darker skin complexion. Many ppl look down on that since light skinned gals > tanner complexion regarding cultural standards out there in East Asia.

If I made a reference to the pettiness of Asian cultures earlier, that'd be one example of that.

Post: #540

I have seen em.too but its rare and usually LTR stuff. The girls theyre pulling at clubs, almost never, and often strait busted. In the end though it doesnt matter what anyone else sees - if your eyes are seeing an 8 who cares what anyone else is seeing. Just bang and enjoy.

Post: #541

(12-28-2016 10:01 AM)Gas Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 04:29 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  I've met with a couple guys off the forum (asian / non-asian) and while the white guys were pulling numbers, some of them were just straight busted. One even admitted as much when he started settling in after a while. However, he did bang some hotties too. Just remember their scale is completely different then what locals / asian guys think as good looking, which means less competition for us

It is rare I see a non asian guy in Asia with a 7+. I think for them skinny = hot and all the faces look the same to them. For example the photo below, I dont know about you guys but I would consider all of them 5s and that is with makeup and they are probably photoshopped too. I think most white guys would consider them 7s and up because most white girls dont have bodies like that. I think everybody rates races different to their own 1 or 2 points up. The same is probably true in reverse (asian guys white girls). So we are obviously chasing different girls.

I'm as white as they come and these are all trash

That ABC guys do the best anywhere in Asia is common knowledge, at least I thought so.

Post: #542

In the USA, people are classified into 4 racial groups (white, black, hispanic, asian). This is the mental map that develops when growing up, and most people will perceive the world in this way. Each of the the 4 groups has their own stereotypes, and it can be difficult to break away from them, when first talking with a random girl.

In most foreign countries though, like in Europe, the mental map is different. People are classified into 2 groups (local or foreign). Thus, an Asian guy will be perceived as a 'foreigner' in the same way a British guy is perceived as a foreigner in Italy. Foreigners are not really viewed in a positive or negative light, just that they are different. Therefore, it gives you an opportunity to let your individual characteristics shine through.

Post: #543

(12-29-2016 11:06 AM)jasond Wrote:  In the USA, people are classified into 4 racial groups (white, black, hispanic, asian). This is the mental map that develops when growing up, and most people will perceive the world in this way. Each of the the 4 groups has their own stereotypes, and it can be difficult to break away from them, when first talking with a random girl.

In most foreign countries though, like in Europe, the mental map is different. People are classified into 2 groups (local or foreign). Thus, an Asian guy will be perceived as a 'foreigner' in the same way a British guy is perceived as a foreigner in Italy. Foreigners are not really viewed in a positive or negative light, just that they are different. Therefore, it gives you an opportunity to let your individual characteristics shine through.

Being able to overcome those stereotypes or even utilizing those pre-conceived notions about your race during the heat of the moment can lead to more dates & lays while gaming in the US. I find that part easy...esp if you can crack timely jokes about your own race in social situations.

You put good thought into this; however, I will counter with a different perspective that I likely already mentioned within the thread already:

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Category One - In the US, Canada, Aussieland, UK, and all over Angosphere, being able to communicate with others on a superficial level is what makes others tick. The same applies to all over Latin America, Spain, and especially where I was living ala Brazil. I'm not talking about being the most charismatic guy of all time, but those cultures tend to be a dick swinging contest of who can small talk the best. This mode of communication or as we refer to as "leadership" is prevalent in professional, family, and especially moreso in social situations. Individuals whom can influence others utilizing that mode of communication have a higher chance of pulling higher tail more consistently....for better or worse.

Category Two - In Asia and in the majority of Europe outside of the UK, Ireland, and Spain, I find it more acceptable to be socially awkward or just rather...chill. That superficial level of communication can rub locals off in a positive manner if channeled correctly; I'd however say being reserved and more educated without showcasing those higher intelligence levels in an obvious manner are more valued tendencies there.

Being the king of superficial communication in Category One is not the end all/be all of getting laid...least I don't think. If you can somehow counterpunch by using those aforementioned tendencies of others to your advantage however, things should be ok.

Post: #544

Seasons greetings to my fellow Asiatic players...may 2017 bring plenty of poosay for us all!!

Post: #545

To weigh in on the current discussion: Yes, you can overcome stereotypes in the Anglosphere. However, those stereotypes basically don't exist in Europe outside the Anglosphere.

On Europe, Kirdiesel, a black forum member in Cologne, posted the same idea about Germany, as did I here in Gdansk, Poland. Here, we're both Americans first, and African and Asian second, respectively, rather than the reverse in the Anglosphere.

Post: #546

Sorry for changing the topic a bit, but what do you guys think about Kpop fangirls? In the USA they're dorky and fat or just plain ugly. Like only the weirdos, Asians and fetishizers are into that stuff. In Eastern Europe, lots of the girls who are into Kpop are wierdos too, but there are many who are pretty attractive. That's my take from having gone to some of the parties and hooked up with some of the girls.

My opinion as to why the kpop is received and appreciated differently is because I think in cultures where the girls are generally more feminine, they tend to be more receptive to goofy stuff like Kpop and guys who are like that. I mean K-dramas are super romantic and lovely dovey and the guys cry like sissies. That would never fly in the states, but in Eastern Europe, there's girls who go nuts over sensitive guys like that. That's my theory.

Post: #547

I agree that in EE, there are some attractive ones.

The way I think about them is that they wouldn't be my main focus. If you are a good looking asian dude, those chicks are easy. But you still gotta go out and game "normal" chicks. Kpop girls could be a change of scene once in a while.

Post: #548

(12-28-2016 10:01 AM)Gas Wrote:  It is rare I see a non asian guy in Asia with a 7+. I think for them skinny = hot and all the faces look the same to them. For example the photo below, I dont know about you guys but I would consider all of them 5s and that is with makeup and they are probably photoshopped too. I think most white guys would consider them 7s and up because most white girls dont have bodies like that. The same is probably true in reverse (asian guys white girls). So we are obviously chasing different girls.

I personally think my taste in caucasian girls is pretty up to par with most guys in general. But I do notice that my beauty standards for white women have gone way up since I spent time dating/hooking up with girls in East Europe. It's to the point where I rarely find white women in America attractive unless they are hands down hot. So with enough exposure and experience with better looking girls, one's taste naturally evolves as well. At least that's my experience. I don't know about other guys though.

Post: #549

(01-08-2017 07:31 AM)dontuan Wrote:  I personally think my taste in caucasian girls is pretty up to par with most guys in general. But I do notice that my beauty standards for white women have gone way up since I spent time dating/hooking up with girls in East Europe. It's to the point where I rarely find white women in America attractive unless they are hands down hot. So with enough exposure and experience with better looking girls, one's taste naturally evolves as well. At least that's my experience. I don't know about other guys though.

I think the "number" scale we argue about on RVF gets blown out of proportion. I don't normally evaluate bitches unless feet are on the ground with first hand experiences. It really all comes down to of course looks but most importantly "vibe" as well.

There are of course American women with sexy vibes, but it doesn't really match with my preferences that much these days...(also depends on region I'm in within US as well) When you're surrounded by Southern Brazilian and Argentine women that live "relatively" simpler lives & spend more time on their appearances...its hard to beat that (substitute your female of preferences...)

(01-08-2017 05:17 AM)dontuan Wrote:  My opinion as to why the kpop is received and appreciated differently is because I think in cultures where the girls are generally more feminine, they tend to be more receptive to goofy stuff like Kpop and guys who are like that. I mean K-dramas are super romantic and lovely dovey and the guys cry like sissies. That would never fly in the states, but in Eastern Europe, there's girls who go nuts over sensitive guys like that. That's my theory.

There were Kpop parties in Latin America where I lived though the chicks were extremely meh. I'd say North America & Latam are just by nature very isolated from the rest of the world. Having dated European & Latin American women, I'd say new ideas just pick up a lot faster with mainstream European societies.

Here's one prominent example. Euros obviously don't grow up eating spicy from growth, but majority of them will suck it up to try hot foods from different cultures while learning to appreciate them. Many Latin Americans south of the Carribean will just refuse to eat any sort of ethnic food that has even a bit of spice in it period.

Post: #550

I was surprised to find white euro girls on asian dating apps, there weren't many, but they really stood out. All the ones on it were pretty decent and I found one that was really hot, like wow. They wrote their profiles in chinese or korean, which was pretty funny to me, they really make a huge effort to learn the language; this was when I was traveling central and eastern europe.

I don't know if you any of you guys noticed traveling eastern europe, but asian culture has a huge push there with all the investment and culture coming in. I talked to one girl and she admitted she was embarrassed for people to openly know she liked asian men. I honestly think it's a lot different than being white in asia where you kind of just show up, these girls have an idea of what they want in a asian man through the influence of media and kpop.