Post: #26

Frankly, I think this particular action is close to a suicide mission. There is no way that the university is going to back down on those suspensions.

In the larger scheme though, this is a big moment. It puts other college athletes on notice, if they weren't already, that this could happen to them. It shows other men that they can stand up, and though they'll face backlash, they'll survive. It puts a big spotlight on the inner workings of this system, which too many people are still naive to. I think it demonstrates the strength college athletes have, and men in general, if they stand together. They might not, probably will not, win this battle but they are sending a notice.

There is also the potential for legal success down the road, though it will come late at best. These kids seem to be handling this with a cool head on their shoulders and wisely consulting lawyers for all legal options.

Post: #27

Can someone explain how voluntary intoxication somehow negates consent? Is this another "drunk slut feels guilty afterwards"?

Post: #28

(12-16-2016 05:05 PM)Grodin Wrote:  Frankly, I think this particular action is close to a suicide mission. There is no way that the university is going to back down on those suspensions.

In the larger scheme though, this is a big moment. It puts other college athletes on notice, if they weren't already, that this could happen to them. It shows other men that they can stand up, and though they'll face backlash, they'll survive. It puts a big spotlight on the inner workings of this system, which too many people are still naive to. I think it demonstrates the strength college athletes have, and men in general, if they stand together. They might not, probably will not, win this battle but they are sending a notice.

There is also the potential for legal success down the road, though it will come late at best. These kids seem to be handling this with a cool head on their shoulders and wisely consulting lawyers for all legal options.

It helps that one of the kid's they suspended has a rich, well known father. Otherwise, they might not have a voice or a chance.

Post: #29

(12-16-2016 05:33 PM)AlphaRN Wrote:  It helps that one of the kid's they suspended has a rich, well known father. Otherwise, they might not have a voice or a chance.

absolutely. You have to leverage what you can

Post: #30

(12-16-2016 05:16 PM)scrambled Wrote:  Can someone explain how voluntary intoxication somehow negates consent? Is this another "drunk slut feels guilty afterwards"?

This is exactly that, drunk slut feels guilty afterwards.

If it was "rape" then it would've been treated as such by the police - not to mention evidence being taken.

The investigation wouldn't of been dropped by the police either.

Post: #31

(12-16-2016 05:16 PM)scrambled Wrote:  Can someone explain how voluntary intoxication somehow negates consent? Is this another "drunk slut feels guilty afterwards"?

This is the double-edged sword the SJW have pushed on the University system. This way, you dont actually need to assault someone to be guilty. With these consent rules, schools now do not have to follow something as silly as ``laws'' and ``police investigations'' to punish men.

Likewise, since 90% of women on college campuses drink before they hook up, this negates them of any actual responsibility for their actions. If just one drink means they can no longer ``consent'' to anything that happens afterward, these women are now free to fuck and suck anything that walks, and still be able to cry rape the next day, or week or month. The also get the added advantage of not being a slut since ``she didn't consent so it didn't happen'' and the attention whoring that comes with it. It's win-win for our college hamster.

Men automatically guilty + women having zero consequences = a perfect SJW campus.

Post: #32

Quote:Ray Buford, Carlton Djam, KiAnte Hardin, Dior Johnson, Tamarion Johnson, Antonio Shenault, Kobe McCrary, Mark Williams, Seth Green, and Antoine Winfield Jr.

Those are the suspended players.

I know this is a sensitive subject, but those are some funny names.

Aloha!

Post: #33

The interesting part of this is that all ten of the suspended athletes are black, which will inevitably lead to my favorite flavour of SJW intersectionality-induced cognitive dissonance - "Black Men vs Feminists."

Is the justice system institutionally racist, and therefore the 10 are innocent? Or is it institutionally sexist, and therefore they are guilty?

Hell, with some careful social media trolling we could get Black Lives Matter involved in this. I bet the students' lawyer is salivating at the thought of the civil rights/racial discrimination lawsuit he is about to serve these idiots at the University of Minnesota with.

Post: #34

(12-16-2016 07:23 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Quote:Ray Buford, Carlton Djam, KiAnte Hardin, Dior Johnson, Tamarion Johnson, Antonio Shenault, Kobe McCrary, Mark Williams, Seth Green, and Antoine Winfield Jr.

Those are the suspended players.

I know this is a sensitive subject, but those are some funny names.

Aloha!

Just add LeCarpetron Dookmariot to the list, and it's perfect.

Post: #35

(12-16-2016 07:23 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Quote:Ray Buford, Carlton Djam, KiAnte Hardin, Dior Johnson, Tamarion Johnson, Antonio Shenault, Kobe McCrary, Mark Williams, Seth Green, and Antoine Winfield Jr.

Those are the suspended players.

I know this is a sensitive subject, but those are some funny names.

Aloha!

Yes, "Mark Williams" had me in stitches.

Post: #36

(12-16-2016 10:38 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:58 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  While I think this is great, everyone don't get too hyped up that U of M is a good team. They are at the bottom of the barrel of the big 10. That being said, this would be a great spark to light a fire and see something similar happen to an actual big 10 team like michigan, nebraska or wisconsin.

Can you imagine if this happened to a SEC school like Alabama or Auburn? The fury and lashout on the alumni's side could be intense. That said, the likelihood of this situation happening to Alabama is very unlikely. The higher ups there would never let 10 kids get suspended without Saban's approval first, or they would not even try it in the first place.

I agree with you though. We need a few more schools or two like the ones you listed or even a big PAC 10 school to strike, to force the NCAA or Title 9 to get some reasonable change to happen. Looks like sports may bail us out where regular students could not.

I wouldn't put it past Ole Miss, and not because they are 'the rebels' people there are still seething at the crackdown of not allowing the mascot to be 'official' and the banning of the band playing "Dixie" so some sort of title nine faggotry would set them off.

Mississippi in general is anti-PC. They still have the confederate battle flag on their state flag and a referendum to change it this year failed.

The Dixie ban still blows my mind, it would be like Tennessee banning Rocky Top.

Post: #37

Well... Fuck

"Sources: NIU would 'likely play' Holiday Bowl if Minnesota boycotts"

Link: http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...liday-bowl

Also

"Minnesota president stands by bans: 'Much bigger than football'"

Link: http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ity-values

Some of the fucking comments, Jesus Christ I hate how they don't hold the female responsible at all.

"While the players have the right to protest and boycott, they are standing up for a bad cause and I hope the university sticks to it's decision"

"Stay classy Minnesota. For UM Head Coach to brag about their 'effort to make a better world' is insane! These kids don't get to take the moral high ground because she can't remember if she said no?!?? Running a train on a sloppy-drunk college girl makes you a scumbag. Period. That's somebody's daughter. These butt hurt millennial athlete's parents ought to be ashamed! What they did was morally indefensible."

Post: #38

Did anybody read the 80 page report that the university released? Skim it? Or get cliff notes from it? People on twitter who are claiming they read it, say what they read is appalling. Somebody on twitter said the best case scenario is that they ran a train on an underage girl (16 is the age of consent in minnesota) and filmed it.

If the girl was under 18 maybe they do deserve to be suspended. Even if she wasn't, it is retarded to film a gang bang, when you are representing a major university by playing on their Division 1 football team. A suspension may be deserved for that too, I don't know. It would be interesting if somebody with a red pill perspective read the report, and gave their opinion on it.

Post: #39

(12-16-2016 07:41 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  The interesting part of this is that all ten of the suspended athletes are black, which will inevitably lead to my favorite flavour of SJW intersectionality-induced cognitive dissonance - "Black Men vs Feminists."

Is the justice system institutionally racist, and therefore the 10 are innocent? Or is it institutionally sexist, and therefore they are guilty?

Hell, with some careful social media trolling we could get Black Lives Matter involved in this. I bet the students' lawyer is salivating at the thought of the civil rights/racial discrimination lawsuit he is about to serve these idiots at the University of Minnesota with.

I did not bother to Google but I am pretty sure Seth is white. I have never met a brother name Seth.

Post: #40

(12-16-2016 09:06 PM)Lenny Marmor Wrote:  Did anybody read the 80 page report that the university released? Skim it? Or get cliff notes from it? People on twitter who are claiming they read it, say what they read is appalling. Somebody on twitter said the best case scenario is that they ran a train on an underage girl (16 is the age of consent in minnesota) and filmed it.

If the girl was under 18 maybe they do deserve to be suspended. Even if she wasn't, it is retarded to film a gang bang, when you are representing a major university by playing on their Division 1 football team. A suspension may be deserved for that too, I don't know. It would be interesting if somebody with a red pill perspective read the report, and gave their opinion on it.

I am going to need to see the report or the video, "Somebody on Twitter" ain't gonna cut it for evidence.

Post: #41

``"Minnesota president stands by bans: 'Much bigger than football'"''

As I said. This guy probably considers sacrificing the football team for one accusation to be the proudest moment of his academic career.

Post: #42

(12-16-2016 09:35 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:06 PM)Lenny Marmor Wrote:  Did anybody read the 80 page report that the university released? Skim it? Or get cliff notes from it? People on twitter who are claiming they read it, say what they read is appalling. Somebody on twitter said the best case scenario is that they ran a train on an underage girl (16 is the age of consent in minnesota) and filmed it.

If the girl was under 18 maybe they do deserve to be suspended. Even if she wasn't, it is retarded to film a gang bang, when you are representing a major university by playing on their Division 1 football team. A suspension may be deserved for that too, I don't know. It would be interesting if somebody with a red pill perspective read the report, and gave their opinion on it.

I am going to need to see the report or the video, "Somebody on Twitter" ain't gonna cut it for evidence.

Same. Reading a few twitter posts (which are most SJWs and blue pill betas , and reading this thread was extent of my research. Just checked out twitter because I assumed these guys would be getting fried by the public, and they are. Probably too dangerous in today's world to come out publicly in support of them, if you aren't anonymous.

Post: #43

(12-16-2016 09:06 PM)Lenny Marmor Wrote:  Did anybody read the 80 page report that the university released? Skim it? Or get cliff notes from it? People on twitter who are claiming they read it, say what they read is appalling. Somebody on twitter said the best case scenario is that they ran a train on an underage girl (16 is the age of consent in minnesota) and filmed it.

If the girl was under 18 maybe they do deserve to be suspended. Even if she wasn't, it is retarded to film a gang bang, when you are representing a major university by playing on their Division 1 football team. A suspension may be deserved for that too, I don't know. It would be interesting if somebody with a red pill perspective read the report, and gave their opinion on it.

The police investigated and declined to press charges. I think they would have noticed the girl being underage.

Post: #44

The university is "respecting privacy" by leaking documents to the press.

A simple google search will lead you to a summary of the leak. Keep in mind this is the result of a title ix "investigation" where the defense is not allowed to ask questions, have any legal representation, or even have details of what they're being accused of.

Post: #45

This story is going to play out over a long period of time. No need to rush to judgement, it's the process and right to defend yourself that we are fighting for.

Post: #46

(12-16-2016 09:43 PM)Grodin Wrote:  The university is "respecting privacy" by leaking documents to the press.

A simple google search will lead you to a summary of the leak. Keep in mind this is the result of a title ix "investigation" where the defense is not allowed to ask questions, have any legal representation, or even have details of what they're being accused of.

I misread the tweet. Apparently an underage Minnesota football recruit was part of the gang bang.

Post: #47

I skimmed through most of the report.

The girl is not underage, BUT there was a HS recruit involved. The whole thing started with one player, the recruit and the girl in the player's apartment. The player and recruit were hanging with her at a gathering of players in an apt, and then took her upstairs to the player's apartment by themselves. There is about 1:40 of cell phone video involved of those 3 which the police saw and determined that it was consensual.

After this the other guys downstairs got wind of what was going on and several go upstairs to take turns on her. This is where it gets 'fishy' because even though she claims to have had spotty memory of what happened there is a ton of detail. It reads like she was ok with the first few dudes but then when the numbers piled up she went past her personal slut threshold. Her friends told investigators that is how she came off to them. The most telling part was that she told her friends that it was an 'in-between situation' and didn't want to go to the police because of that. The report says she said she would have felt bad for the guys if she had gone.

It reads as a regret gangbang, which is why the police did nothing about it. I didn't read the whole report, but the fact that there was a recruit involved is the biggest thing here and probably why the players got suspended. Even though this type of thing happens all the time on college campuses, especially in Power 5 football/basketball circles, with players trying to get recruits laid and having them get wasted at parties and such, the instant something happens involving a recruit the players involved are going to be in big trouble. The school probably has a leg to stand on here.

Post: #48

(12-16-2016 09:32 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 07:41 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  The interesting part of this is that all ten of the suspended athletes are black, which will inevitably lead to my favorite flavour of SJW intersectionality-induced cognitive dissonance - "Black Men vs Feminists."

Is the justice system institutionally racist, and therefore the 10 are innocent? Or is it institutionally sexist, and therefore they are guilty?

Hell, with some careful social media trolling we could get Black Lives Matter involved in this. I bet the students' lawyer is salivating at the thought of the civil rights/racial discrimination lawsuit he is about to serve these idiots at the University of Minnesota with.

I did not bother to Google but I am pretty sure Seth is white. I have never met a brother name Seth.

Ahem... https://twitter.com/dasethwilliams

Post: #49

This is huge. Will feminist critics who demand these men's lynching condemn disadvantaged black males also hurt by the patriarchy to destruction of their academic stints/possible football careers without evidence? Sounds like a modern day "To Kill A Mockingbird."

Post: #50

(12-16-2016 10:10 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:32 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 07:41 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  The interesting part of this is that all ten of the suspended athletes are black, which will inevitably lead to my favorite flavour of SJW intersectionality-induced cognitive dissonance - "Black Men vs Feminists."

Is the justice system institutionally racist, and therefore the 10 are innocent? Or is it institutionally sexist, and therefore they are guilty?

Hell, with some careful social media trolling we could get Black Lives Matter involved in this. I bet the students' lawyer is salivating at the thought of the civil rights/racial discrimination lawsuit he is about to serve these idiots at the University of Minnesota with.

I did not bother to Google but I am pretty sure Seth is white. I have never met a brother name Seth.

Ahem... https://twitter.com/dasethwilliams

I stand corrected about my assumption, however I personally have never met a brother named Seth. I have now seen a brother named Seth.