(12-11-2016 06:23 AM)Kharn Wrote:  I don't like these threads really,they are very dangerous

You need a 250 post count until you can post in war/politics threads.

If you want to avoid a ban you need to start posting in other threads until you have the requisite post count.

(12-11-2016 07:01 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:23 AM)Kharn Wrote:  I don't like these threads really,they are very dangerous

You need a 250 post count until you can post in war/politics threads.

If you want to avoid a ban you need to start posting in other threads until you have the requisite post count.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-13005.html

It says you need 50 here.

(12-11-2016 07:05 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 07:01 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:23 AM)Kharn Wrote:  I don't like these threads really,they are very dangerous

You need a 250 post count until you can post in war/politics threads.

If you want to avoid a ban you need to start posting in other threads until you have the requisite post count.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-13005.html

It says you need 50 here.

My mistake. I missed Roosh's post that updated the rules post-election. Regardless. Same. Not enough posts. If Kharn wants to avoid a ban he should wait until he has 50.

(12-10-2016 09:33 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  And yes we did enrich Germany with our food. Before our arrival there were no proper places to eat in Germany. Kebab became the most popular dish with our arrival.

Bullshit.
You think Germans lived off raw potatoes and meat before the magnanimous Turks introduced real food (= Kebab ) to them?
Give me a break. "No proper places to eat", thank god you explained the concept of a "restaurant" to those poor backwater savages.
Yeah, Kebab became a popular fast food, but so did curry sausages, pizza and fried noodles. Now what.

Italian food is in fact by far the most popular foreign cuisine in Germany. Nobody knows anything about Turkish cuisine, hardly a success story if a whole nation considers a sandwich to be the pinnacle of your country's culinary culture.
Everybody just knows Döner Kebab, which in its current form was invented in Berlin and got modified to fit German tastes.
You see, unlike most Turks at least the Kebab made an effort and became assimilated, might be why the Germans like it so much!

Quote:Our factory helpers helped Germany achieve that industrial boom. We did contribute to Germany positively.

So did the Spaniards, the Italians, the Greeks, the Portuguese, the Yugoslavians and many others. The German post-war Wirtschaftswunder ended in 1973, and the Turkish were brought to Germany in large numbers only in 1967. You really think they had that much of an impact on the economy in 6 years?

Quote:The best player on Germanys football team is Turkish.

Bullshit.
First thing, if you play for the German national team you have to be a German citizen, I'm sure you know that. It's unfortunately not required to feel German, so some chose to dishonestly represent a nation because of better career prospects and prestige. Money and titles trump everything.
I'm sure you are talking about the fish eye by the way. Not the best player, not the one who won the most titles in his career, not the one who gets paid the highest wage, not the one who plays for a 1st tier club.

The Turkish football federation is also known for scouting all of Europe for football players with Turkish ancestry. They go through their home country's educational system, youth teams, using the local training facilities and know-how. If they are decent but not good enough, the Turkish federation approaches them and throws a shit ton of cash at them. Suddenly the player realizes he "has always felt more Turkish than XYZ" and plays for the Turkish national teams. Which is hardly a loss, given that the Turkish national team has never won anything, a perennial nation of football losers, but that's beside the point.

Quote:Don't blame the downfall of Europe on Turks, its not our fault. Greeks lived under our rule for 500 years, did we destroy their culture? Did we force them to assimilate?

You tried. The Turks murdered, raped and enslaved them whenever possible. For example, the largest and most impressive church of the Greek world was transformed into a mosque, remember. The former greatest Greek city became Istanbul, thousands of years of their culture gleefully erased, replaced and destroyed. It's celebrated until this day.
The ones who weren't able to run or pay the jizya were forced to assimilate.

Quote:Turks in Germany are better integrated compared to hispanics in the US even though have a different religion .

Preposterous statement, how do you measure or compare that? And last time I checked, the Americans were not too pleased with the growing number of illegal 3rd world illiterates in their country and decided to do something about it. I don't think religion played a role, at all.

Quote:Might I add that the majority of the latest generation of Turks in Germany are secular.

Half of all migrants with Turkish roots in Germany think that "the laws and rules of my religion are more important than the laws of the state in which I live".
It's true that it's less if we only look at the 2nd and 3rd generation, then it's "only" 36%. Looking at the number of Turks in Germany, oh well.
Also, let's not forget that a Muslim cannot be truly secular if he adheres to his or her religion.

(12-10-2016 10:49 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  We enjoyed the most powerful years under the rule of the caliphate. Turkey is a mess compared to what Ottoman was under islamic rule. Power wise we probably are like 95% weaker compared to our old empire. I'd choose a huge powerful islamic empire over a weak secular state any time.

Of course you would, I would also choose a huge powerful empire in which my people are the ruling class over a secular state.
This is mental masturbation.
Already before its fall the Ottoman Empire wasn't powerful and in decline for the last few hunded years. Your comparison of 95% weaker is thus unrealistic, that would mean modern Turkey is a chaotic failed state with 3rd world living conditions.

Quote:The huns collapsed we came back, the selchuks collapsed we came back back. Turks have formed over 16 empires in the last 2000 years. We came back stronger every time with the exception being republic of Turkey. We are far away from our glory days.

Who is "we"? The Huns have nothing to do with modern Turkish people. That's like an Italian claiming that Peru was part of an Italian Empire, because they share some Latin blood and speak a Romanic language.

Quote:You can go be secular all you want in Europe, but we're aware that if a country loses its religion it will lose its culture and loss of culture will lead to cultural degeneracy . Kind of like what is happening in Europe, you are being taken over by SJWS, because the majority of your population is Atheist.

Europe has been sinking into degeneracy because the World Wars lead to an r-selected generation being born and the long period of peace, prosperity and resource abundancy following it benefited them immensely, leading to them occupying almost all positions of power.

Quote:The same was about to happen to us, but we are a different story. We have formed over 16 states, our state survival instinct kicked in and we were blessed with a leader like Erdogan. Same instinct kicked in USA too, they got Trump.

There's this ambiguous "we" again, care to elaborate?
And "blessed with Erdogan", it's funnny, how come Georgians always demonstrate such a hunger for power, looking at Stalin and stuff. Could they share the Turkish national inferiority complex? They sure know how to play the majority in their favor.

(12-10-2016 11:09 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  Erdogan is just making a situational alliance with Putin against globalists, thats it. Now we made an agreement with Russia to ditch the US dollar, the trade between two countries will be conducted with local currencies. We made the same deal with China.

Putin is like Trump in this regard. He never forgets.

Quote:PS: Greece definitely deserved those 300 migrants after granting political asylum to 3 soldiers who were involved in the coup. I hope they are generous with those 300 african migrants as well and will grant them asylum : ) just like how they granted the traitors.

Traitors for you, heroes for others. Such is life.

Quote:If Europe wants to stop the flow of Refugees it should stop granting political asylum to everyone who is enemy of Turkey. This includes FETO and Kurdish seperatists. Countries like Belgium are allowing PKK supporters to hold demonstrations. PKK is classified as a terrorist organization by the EU.

Are you trying to blackmail Europeans like your glorious leader Erdogan does? If Europe wants to stop the flow of refugees all they need to do is to close the borders, deport all illegal immigrants, and protect the border with all necessary measures.
And if Turkey wants to have a good relationship with Europe, why don't they stop granting shelter to the enemies of Europe, like ISIS or the jihadists fighting in Syria?

Quote:Because of the ingrained SJW ideology they are opening their arms to all the traitors and losers. This will not bode well for them.

You are right, there's far too many Muslim immigrants in Europe, good point.

Quote:Greeks did not lose their culture under the rule of Ottomans, but they just might if the migrant flow continues.

They didn't, but it's certainly not for lack of trying on the part of the Turkish.

Quote:EU is doing everything in its hands to piss us off.

The feeling is mutual.

Quote:They appointed this lady as rapporteur for the accession talks.
Her name is Kati Piri She is very biased against us. If you read her twitter you'll see she is a classical feminist shillary supporter. She writes very biased reports against Turkey and keeps meeting with PKK supporters.

The accession talks are a way for the EU to exert power and influence Turkey in their favor. Shouldn't you be glad they are not going well?

(12-10-2016 11:52 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:43 PM)lowhead360 Wrote:  The "Turks" didn't build the Ottoman Empire; they founded it sure, but it was the Islamsized sons of Balkan Christians (Janissaries) that turned it into a super power. Virtually every grand vizier of any worth of the Ottoman Empire was ethnically Serbian, Greek, Bosnian, Croatian etc and the House of Osman was completely European by blood. In fact, it was when the Ottomans became more discriminatory against Christians and more fundamentalist in their Islam after the Siege of Vienna that their Empire went from being one of the strongest on the world to the "sick man of Europe".

Our founding fathers were smart enough to figure out that Europeans had good genes that's why nearly all our consorts were European. No empire lives forever, 500 years is a huge accomplishment. Everything will collapse one day anyway.

Some other rulers at a certain place and point in history, who were laying the foundation for future empires, were "smart enough" to realize that a certain people were much bettter suited to hardship and working in tropical conditions than the ones they had at their disposal.
Doesn't make it a redeeming quality or something to be proud of.

Quote:I don't agree with you that we ill treated minorities . Even until 1800's a lot of our ambassadors were of greek descent. What we did is we started to heavily tax them, because the empire was managed bad and we ran into budget deficits.

There's lots of examples to the contrary, but let's just pick one.
Armenians would disagree, but alright, the reason they had to endure genocide was because in a lot of cities and provinces they were actually a majority, very inconvenient. So doesn't count as a minority perhaps?

(12-11-2016 12:39 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  That's basically how every single empire was run in those days. You defer or you die. Keeping an empire which has ground on 3 continents isn't a walk in the park. Regarding west building infrastructure in places they conquer, I don't see any infrastructure in Africa. They must have forgotten them.

Bullshit.
Do us all a favor and pick up a history book.

Quote:We can see how India faired out, dubbed as the crown of the jewel once it's in a sorry state of mess.

Bullshit.
Even if it was "in a sorry state of mess", it's not because of a bad starting position. What did Korea look like back then?

(12-11-2016 05:43 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:53 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 09:33 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  Our factory helpers helped Germany achieve that industrial boom. We did contribute to Germany positively.

The first generation of turks was secular, the 2nd and mostly the 3rd did turn into criminals.

Do you have any source for your claim. I can 100% assure you what you said is wrong. In the 60's and 70's the people who went to Germany were from the rural parts of Turkey and were FAR from secular. Germany got our 3rd or even 4th class citizens. There is even a derogatory term for people who went to Germany at that time, they are called "alamancı". The secular Turks immigrated to the US, and in US nearly all 1st generation Turkish immigrants belong to the upper middle class and are secular.

Secularism is the principle that government institutions and their representatives should remain separate from religious institutions, their beliefs, and their dignitaries. It does not mean you can't be religious. The first generation of immigrants accepted secular structures quite well.
The importance and type of Islam back then was different too by the way.

(12-11-2016 05:53 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  For most people their idea if integration is when people become assimilated and lose their language/culture/religion . We've seen it happen in the states, 3rd/4th generation Americans who are of Italian/German descent etc cant speak Italian or German. Look in the last 2000 years we've formed 16 states, we've lost 15 of them. Turks have a huge sense of national identity and I am proud to see 3rd generation Turks in Germany still practicing their religion and speaking Turkish. This might be "lack of integration" for you, but for me this is something to the proud of.

This is precisely the problem. If they don't want to assimilate, then they have to go back. They can speak their language, be proud of being Turkish, practice Islam - in Turkey.

(12-11-2016 06:05 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I am against radical islam too. But Turks are not radical never were. Maybe out of 1000000 terror attacks commited 1 is Turkish. The rest are either wahabi or north africans. Don't put us in the same group as wahabis and north africans.

Perhaps not radical in their belief, but certainly radical in their actions.

Quote:Turks probably practice the best form is Islam where occasional Alcohol drinking is even ok culturally. We're not new to Europe, we've been living in Europe for 500 years and please do not associate Turks with Radicalism or Terrorism. Islamic Terror attacks against the west have been on the agenda for roughly 20 years. Our history in Europe dates back 500 years. We're not the culprits.

That's not called Islam, that's called hypocrisy.
The prophet was very clear on this.
Question a single piece, and ultimately you question your whole religion.
If you are honest with yourself, that is.

(12-11-2016 06:32 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  Ataturks idea was good but the thing is you can't force people to abandon their religion overnight and expect them to be secular. It's not realistic. These kind of pressures always backfire. Just like how Russia turned commie overnight and became Soviet Union. It went on for a good 80 years but it collapsed. Because the people didn't embrace those values, it was forced upon them by some guy who thought it was the best for that country.

Again, this word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Nobody forced anyone to give up their religion. It is only about the separation of religion and state.
The only way this would be a problem is if your religion fundamentally opposes the concept of separation of state and religion, like an authoritarian system dictating everything in the lives of its subjects, down to the smallest details, demanding total submission.
Oh wait...

Quote:I'd wager all my money in that if secularism wasn't forced on the late Ottoman Empire or Turkey, we would be more modern compared to today. Sometimes you have to leave events to their natural course.

Without Ataturk, the nation of Turkey would be a third of its current size, or perhaps not exist at all. The remaining part would be your typical, run-off-the-mill Middle Eastern shithole.

Quote:The kemalist generals who were anti-erdogan stood by Erdogans side and thwarted that coup attempt even though they despised Erdogan.

The remaining Kemalist generals were purged by Erdogan years ago.

^^

I think LikeABaller is a good example, though depressing about why it will eventually end in full scale deportations.

These immigrants, even multiple generations in, still have no understanding of Europe, its culture and customs, still think their backwards culture is equal, still don't think they should be humble for the opportunity to make a life in rich, safe countries.

I just don't see how they will change. They still name their children names from the old country, they still don't allow their daughters to marry a European.

Doesn't this turk realize he makes himself an enemy?

@Belgrano

Thank you for that very thorough post, taking the time and the trouble so that I didn't have to. This bit cracked me up:

"You see, unlike most Turks at least the Kebab made an effort and became assimilated"

(12-11-2016 01:46 PM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote:  ^^

I agree - solid rip.

(12-11-2016 02:18 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I think LikeABaller is a good example, though depressing about why it will eventually end in full scale deportations.

These immigrants, even multiple generations in, still have no understanding of Europe, its culture and customs, still think their backwards culture is equal, still don't think they should be humble for the opportunity to make a life in rich, safe countries.

I just don't see how they will change. They still name their children names from the old country, they still don't allow their daughters to marry a European.

Doesn't this turk realize he makes himself an enemy?

"We're not going to assimilate, and if given the opportunity we'll resurrect the caliphate that relentlessly attacked and slaughtered your people for hundreds of years".

And this is how they talk openly when they're not a world power and they're a minority in Germany So much enrichment.

I refuse to assimiliate to have the privilege of living on your soil. In this century he who has the money calls the shots. I am Turkish and a citizen of USA at the same time. I am an atheist but I will raise my children with islamic culture. Because if I give up Islam my kids will be assimiliatecd. I don't want my offsprings to lose their Turkish identity. I am an ultra turkish nationalist. I am proud of my history. And I wont give my history up to have the privilige to live on your soil. It will not happen.

You guys don't realize one thing, its not about religion, its about self identity. NYC was ruled by Italian mafia 100 years ago, now its home to hipsters/liberals/faggots. I take pride in my culture.

(12-11-2016 02:18 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I think LikeABaller is a good example, though depressing about why it will eventually end in full scale deportations.

These immigrants, even multiple generations in, still have no understanding of Europe, its culture and customs, still think their backwards culture is equal, still don't think they should be humble for the opportunity to make a life in rich, safe countries.

I just don't see how they will change. They still name their children names from the old country, they still don't allow their daughters to marry a European.

Doesn't this turk realize he makes himself an enemy?

Virtually all close friends and acquaintances I have of that heritage are fully appreciative of the culture they live in:

+ 5 are Persians (3 of them doctors) - all Ex-Muslims - happy as can be living in Germany, Austria or Hungary, USA (3 men - two women). One is even together with one of the first girlfriends I had when I was 19 - nice blond girl and he is a highly intelligent spiritual guy who is the kindest strongest guy - also he works at educating future German doctors.
+ 2 more are Turks who studied economics and see themselves fully as Europeans with Turkish background and enjoy living in the secular European states
+ 1 is a high-IQ Afghani and son of a radical Imam, who experienced real refugee camps and LOVES and prefers living in the West TO ANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES. He recently married a shy quiet Russian girl and still enjoys banging chicks and working for a large corporation climbing the corporate ladder and living the life. Nothing would make him go move to any Muslim countries despite the fact that he sees himself as a Muslim and loves his father, but he does not let his heritage and religion destroy his life. He understands that you can love your family and still disagree with them - no one is going to live your life for you.

Seems like I don't have unreasonable Muslim and Ex-Muslim friends, but why should I hang around with them?

Oh - I could mention the secular Turkish girls I dated, but hey - that is another story.

(12-11-2016 02:31 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:18 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I think LikeABaller is a good example, though depressing about why it will eventually end in full scale deportations.

These immigrants, even multiple generations in, still have no understanding of Europe, its culture and customs, still think their backwards culture is equal, still don't think they should be humble for the opportunity to make a life in rich, safe countries.

I just don't see how they will change. They still name their children names from the old country, they still don't allow their daughters to marry a European.

Doesn't this turk realize he makes himself an enemy?

Virtually all close friends and acquaintances I have of that heritage are fully appreciative of the culture they live in:

+ 5 are Persians (3 of them doctors) - all Ex-Muslims - happy as can be living in Germany, Austria or Hungary, USA (3 men - two women). One is even together with one of the first girlfriends I had when I was 19 - nice blond girl and he is a highly intelligent spiritual guy who is the kindest strongest guy - also he works at educating future German doctors.
+ 2 more are Turks who studied economics and see themselves fully as Europeans with Turkish background and enjoy living in the secular European states
+ 1 is a high-IQ Afghani and son of a radical Imam, who experienced real refugee camps and LOVES and prefers living in the West TO ANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES. He recently married a shy quiet Russian girl and still enjoys banging chicks and working for a large corporation climbing the corporate ladder and living the life. Nothing would make him go move to any Muslim countries despite the fact that he sees himself as a Muslim and loves his father, but he does not let his heritage and religion destroy his life. He understands that you can love your family and still disagree with them - no one is going to live your life for you.

Seems like I don't have unreasonable Muslim and Ex-Muslim friends, but why should I hang around with them?

Oh - I could mention the secular Turkish girls I dated, but hey - that is another story.

All those people you refer to are wage slaves, they have no option but to integrate. Turks have been in Germany for over 50 years and still we are not assimiliated. It will not happen. We are the most nationalist people on this planet. We descent from cengiz han.

Try to convince a 3rd generation German/Turkish immigrant to eat pork, it will not happen. This is our culture, Turks have never consumed pork, its not because of islam contrary to the popular belief. Ask him to snort coke or come with you to the party he will oblige but once you say Pork he will say no no.

Whether you like it or not Turks will not assimilate.

(12-11-2016 02:29 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I refuse to assimiliate to have the privilege of living on your soil. In this century he who has the money calls the shots. I am Turkish and a citizen of USA at the same time. I am an atheist but I will raise my children with islamic culture. Because if I give up Islam my kids will be assimiliatecd. I don't want my offsprings to lose their Turkish identity. I am an ultra turkish nationalist. I am proud of my history. And I wont give my history up to have the privilige to live on your soil. It will not happen.

You guys don't realize one thing, its not about religion, its about self identity. NYC was ruled by Italian mafia 100 years ago, now its home to hipsters/liberals/faggots. I take pride in my culture.

It's really, really hard to read stuff like this, and not conclude that at some point there's going to be a lot of unhappiness to go around.

Please take this in the spirit it's offered, but if Turkey is such a great identity, and great culture, couldn't you give your kids an even more authentic, better experience by raising them in Turkey?

@LikeABaller

Just to mention - I spent a lot of time in Turkey many years ago and had a great time with very hospitable people.
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Here in Germany I have approached a few muslim girls - Turkish, Tunisian, Pakistani. They are great fun and generally very feminine. They also enjoy flirting. Unfortunately, they are locked inside a system of mate-guarding and female family member guarding on an absolutely industrial scale. Isn't it funny how little feminists have to say about this. Feminists, if they were what they purport to be, would be concentrating their efforts on liberating these women , so that they would be free to find the highest value man possible.

(12-11-2016 02:50 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:29 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I refuse to assimiliate to have the privilege of living on your soil. In this century he who has the money calls the shots. I am Turkish and a citizen of USA at the same time. I am an atheist but I will raise my children with islamic culture. Because if I give up Islam my kids will be assimiliatecd. I don't want my offsprings to lose their Turkish identity. I am an ultra turkish nationalist. I am proud of my history. And I wont give my history up to have the privilige to live on your soil. It will not happen.

You guys don't realize one thing, its not about religion, its about self identity. NYC was ruled by Italian mafia 100 years ago, now its home to hipsters/liberals/faggots. I take pride in my culture.

It's really, really hard to read stuff like this, and not conclude that at some point there's going to be a lot of unhappiness to go around.

Please take this in the spirit it's offered, but if Turkey is such a great identity, and great culture, couldn't you give your kids an even more authentic, better experience by raising them in Turkey?

I wouldn't want to be in Turkey either when Putin starts bombing.

(12-11-2016 02:50 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:29 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I refuse to assimiliate to have the privilege of living on your soil. In this century he who has the money calls the shots. I am Turkish and a citizen of USA at the same time. I am an atheist but I will raise my children with islamic culture. Because if I give up Islam my kids will be assimiliatecd. I don't want my offsprings to lose their Turkish identity. I am an ultra turkish nationalist. I am proud of my history. And I wont give my history up to have the privilige to live on your soil. It will not happen.

You guys don't realize one thing, its not about religion, its about self identity. NYC was ruled by Italian mafia 100 years ago, now its home to hipsters/liberals/faggots. I take pride in my culture.

It's really, really hard to read stuff like this, and not conclude that at some point there's going to be a lot of unhappiness to go around.

Please take this in the spirit it's offered, but if Turkey is such a great identity, and great culture, couldn't you give your kids an even more authentic, better experience by raising them in Turkey?

I was born in Turkey, and hopefully I will die in Turkey. I have no wish of raising my children abroad. I'm not a fan of USA or Europe even though I'm an American citizen. I don't want to start a race war here, but I just want to make a point that people should not lose their racial identity. If you are pole for example you should embrace your culture. I have a lot of respect for the far right people in Europe who want to preserve their culture. I understand and respect them.

(12-11-2016 02:50 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Please take this in the spirit it's offered, but if Turkey is such a great identity, and great culture, couldn't you give your kids an even more authentic, better experience by raising them in Turkey?

That is another point - the people coming over somehow assume that the reason their own home country sucks - Turkey in that case, does so because

+ it is oppressed by the USA, by the WEst
+ the leaders are corrupt
+ the people don't live up to the high standards of the teachings of the religion of peace
+ they only lack the recourses or head-start that Germany or Japan had gotten

And what is never responsible:
+ Islam
+ marrying your cousin
+ low IQs of the general population (one of the reasons according to some scientists aside from inbreeding also the fasting of pregnant women during Ramadan)
+ lack of discipline and basic low-trust tribal society
+ corruption on all levels of government and corporate levels as well

All those things are never responsible for why it is better to live in Germany, US instead of Turkey.

When Turkey is that great, why do all the turks not move back to Turkey?
When I move somewhere, I will be always a German. I will pass this on to my children. Still when I made the decision to live in a new country, a new culture I nor will I rise my children to stand against this one. Sometimes moving to a different place just let us rise our true potential. When you had to move, why then stick to the old habits? When they are so great, why move in the first place?
It is the die hard nationalism that let Turks not have success. The more nationalistic they are, the more they fail in other societies.

(12-11-2016 02:57 PM)Parzival Wrote:  When Turkey is that great, why do all the turks not move back to Turkey?
When I move somewhere, I will be always a German. I will pass this on to my children. Still when I made the decision to live in a new country, a new culture I nor will I rise my children to stand against this one. Sometimes moving to a different place just let us rise our true potential. When you had to move, why then stick to the old habits? When they are so great, why move in the first place?

I dont't have official statistics but a lot of Turks from Germany are moving back to Turkey. Especially in the last 10 years.

Heim ins Reich.

(12-11-2016 02:56 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:50 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Please take this in the spirit it's offered, but if Turkey is such a great identity, and great culture, couldn't you give your kids an even more authentic, better experience by raising them in Turkey?

That is another point - the people coming over somehow assume that the reason their own home country sucks - Turkey in that case, does so because

+ it is oppressed by the USA, by the WEst
+ the leaders are corrupt
+ the people don't live up to the high standards of the teachings of the religion of peace
+ they only lack the recourses or head-start that Germany or Japan had gotten

And what is never responsible:
+ Islam
+ marrying your cousin
+ low IQs of the general population (one of the reasons according to some scientists aside from inbreeding also the fasting of pregnant women during Ramadan)
+ lack of discipline and basic low-trust tribal society
+ corruption on all levels of government and corporate levels as well

All those things are never responsible for why it is better to live in Germany, US instead of Turkey.

Unfortunately inbreeding is the biggest fuck up Islam has given us. But thank god its usually the kurds who engage in Inbreeding. Among Turks its very very rare.
I am of Circassian descent, and in our culture inbreeding is like the biggest sin. So I thank my ancestors for that everyday.

(12-11-2016 02:55 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I was born in Turkey, and hopefully I will die in Turkey. I have no wish of raising my children abroad. I'm not a fan of USA or Europe even though I'm an American citizen. I don't want to start a race war here, but I just want to make a point that people should not lose their racial identity. If you are pole for example you should embrace your culture. I have a lot of respect for the far right people in Europe who want to preserve their culture. I understand and respect them.

I doubt we disagree with your statements here, but you raised before some questionable viewpoints. Still - you do understand the issues we have with your countrymen who deliberately wish to Islamize Germany, force their culture upon the Germans and take offense at Christmas trees and Christian celebrations, feel themselves as superior or make life hell for German citizens (for example in schools). They don't do terrorist acts so far, but that is the only plus there.

Whether we like it or not, LikeABaller's attitude is why Turkish culture and the Turkish gene pool will survive, in probable contrast to that of many European nations. Recently over at the Chateau a commenter wrote regarding something he had said to a leftlib:

"You may not be ethnocentric but your conquerors will be"

By the way this sentence from LikeABaller:
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I'm not a fan of USA or Europe even though I'm an American citizen.
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should be tweeted by Trump as an example of why tighter controls on immigration/citizenship are necessary.

(12-11-2016 03:06 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:55 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I was born in Turkey, and hopefully I will die in Turkey. I have no wish of raising my children abroad. I'm not a fan of USA or Europe even though I'm an American citizen. I don't want to start a race war here, but I just want to make a point that people should not lose their racial identity. If you are pole for example you should embrace your culture. I have a lot of respect for the far right people in Europe who want to preserve their culture. I understand and respect them.

I doubt we disagree with your statements here, but you raised before some questionable viewpoints. Still - you do understand the issues we have with your countrymen who deliberately wish to Islamize Germany, force their culture upon the Germans and take offense at Christmas trees and Christian celebrations, feel themselves as superior or make life hell for German citizens (for example in schools). They don't do terrorist acts so far, but that is the only plus there.

Don't confuse the recent wave of immigrants with Turks. Turks have been living peacefully in Germany for 40-50 years without much problems. Fuck Christmas is even celebrated in Turkey now thanks to "secularism".

We don't have a problem with western values. We've been in your continent for 400-500 years. In the last 10 years Europeans are putting us on the same boat as Arabs.

Look I respect western civilization.