Post: #151

(11-20-2016 03:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  The CIA making an arrest in the US, seizing an American citizen's PCs and personal property? LOL.. Yeah, that story is very hard to believe. The CIA does not have law enforcement powers per the constitution. That power only belongs to the FBI, the US Federal Marshal Service, the DEA, and the ATF.

This is also the same reason why it is illegal technically to assassinate or have the CIA/DOD kill American citizens abroad. The only exceptions are kinda murky but basically you would have to be on the side of the enemy as a combatant. That is how they justify killing terrorists with US Citizenship.

His claim that the NSA won't work with the CIA is utter bullshit. They are essentially one in the same. The CIA/NSA does not work very well with the FBI, with the exception of a few things (domestic terrorism and even then, it's allegedly limited). Even if they detained you, they cannot charge you with anything at all. The CIA collects intel and conducts operations. That's it.

Gag orders? LMAO! That only works if you work for the US government as an employee or an enlisted person. If arrested or charged with a crime you can talk about your case as much as you want to, unless your lawyer needs you to STFU to not hurt your case.

I think this shit is fake. A funny one, but not real. I think one of the Aspergers kids, decided to make yet another story about stuff based upon what is already known. Compromised Tor nodes are older than my RVF account. What hacker does not already know this by now.

For all you guys that do not know anything about network security, anytime someone says they use Tor or tell you to use it, they are trying to set you up or they are being watched themselves whether they know it or not. Friends do not let friends use Tor. The FBI themselves own several of the nodes in North America, maybe most.

Anyway, the only way this story could be even remotely true is if he is a UK citizen, but his writing style screams American.

Your one logical fallacy here is that the federal government obeys the law.

Post: #152

^

Exactly.

Really surprised to see that assumption coming from Kai.

Post: #153

(11-20-2016 04:21 PM)Enoch Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 03:29 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  The CIA making an arrest in the US, seizing an American citizen's PCs and personal property? LOL.. Yeah, that story is very hard to believe. The CIA does not have law enforcement powers per the constitution. That power only belongs to the FBI, the US Federal Marshal Service, the DEA, and the ATF.

This is also the same reason why it is illegal technically to assassinate or have the CIA/DOD kill American citizens abroad. The only exceptions are kinda murky but basically you would have to be on the side of the enemy as a combatant. That is how they justify killing terrorists with US Citizenship.

His claim that the NSA won't work with the CIA is utter bullshit. They are essentially one in the same. The CIA/NSA does not work very well with the FBI, with the exception of a few things (domestic terrorism and even then, it's allegedly limited). Even if they detained you, they cannot charge you with anything at all. The CIA collects intel and conducts operations. That's it.

Gag orders? LMAO! That only works if you work for the US government as an employee or an enlisted person. If arrested or charged with a crime you can talk about your case as much as you want to, unless your lawyer needs you to STFU to not hurt your case.

I think this shit is fake. A funny one, but not real. I think one of the Aspergers kids, decided to make yet another story about stuff based upon what is already known. Compromised Tor nodes are older than my RVF account. What hacker does not already know this by now.

For all you guys that do not know anything about network security, anytime someone says they use Tor or tell you to use it, they are trying to set you up or they are being watched themselves whether they know it or not. Friends do not let friends use Tor. The FBI themselves own several of the nodes in North America, maybe most.

Anyway, the only way this story could be even remotely true is if he is a UK citizen, but his writing style screams American.

Your one logical fallacy here is that the federal government obeys the law.

(11-20-2016 06:44 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  ^

Exactly.

Really surprised to see that assumption coming from Kai.

Tap dancing on the law and full blown marching an army over the law are very different things. You don't need to be Sp5, a successful defense lawyer, to know that a client being detained or arrested by a government agency that does not have any legal powers to do so, is extremely illegal. There would be chatter everywhere if that happened. No one can keep something like this a secret.

Obama may be evil, but he isn't fucking stupid.

You cannot arrest 15 people with the freaking CIA of all things, confiscate computers without warrants, physically intimidate them not to talk to anyone, and expect to get away with it. The CIA cannot even legally charge someone with a crime. I don't think they can even request a warrant for something, but maybe an RVF lawyer can clarify that.

You two watch way too much television.

I will tell you what is disappointing. RVFers that readily believe bullshit posted on 4Chan, without using their own brains and logical deduction to figure out the validity. Assuming this is real, makes you no different than the hysterical liberals that believe rape claims, racial beatings on Twitter and Facebook, and all the fake Trump quotes floating around online.

People have been making up well written stories like this on 4Chan for over a decade now. This isn't some brand new shit! Most people's reaction should be to screencap it, and refer to it later as the story develops.

Heck, you two did not even bother to ponder whether or not the person claiming to be raided, was actually raided by the FBI, but is just merely blaming the CIA like some paranoid fuck. The FBI actually have the authority to raid his house and procure warrants. The fact that he did not even offer any proof of any kind or verify something we all already knew, is even more suspicious.

Next time a nice story comes out on 4Chan, look at each line, use Google, the law, or ask someone knowledgeable to verify that claim. Don't just assume either that people in power just wantonly break the law either just because you don't fucking like them or what they stand for either. That's just effeminate thinking in general.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at least some modicum of evidence to back it up. At least the FBI Anon that posted his claims on 4Chan, offered plenty of information, tips, pointers, and predictions. Some things he said was spot on immediately and most of the rest got better as time went on. That was legit. This guy is a joke.

Post: #154

Wasn't there news just the other day that Sweden will now take testimony form J.A. now that Hillary can no longer call for his head?

Post: #155

(11-20-2016 08:24 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Wasn't there news just the other day that Sweden will now take testimony form J.A. now that Hillary can no longer call for his head?

Yes this was last week, but that news came from Wikileaks itself I believe. I have not cross checked that on other news outlets.

Post: #156

^ Kai,

I'm not suggesting that what was posted to 4chan was legit, I'm simply stating that saying it's false based merely on the premise that the US Govt doesn't break the law is shaky logic at best.

The 4chan post may very well be bullshit, but if I was going to say that, I'd argue it based on the fact that it was posted on 4chan in the first place, not on the CIA/NSA illegal behavior. THAT part I find incredibly easy to believe. The specifics of this particular case, maybe not. But I would be surprised to find out they WEREN'T breaking the law.

"They would definitely be caught." By whom? Snowden is in Russia. Who's going to whistle blow? And even if they do, who's going to care? Who's going to stop them? The American people are completely comatose. They don't care about the illegal activities of the NSA/CIA/FBI, much less if they attack and/or destroy WikiLeaks, which is already operating on moral, legal, and ethically dubious foundations to begin with.

I never said you were incorrect, or that the story as written was truthful or factual. I simply pointed out that suggesting that the Govt always follows the law is a pretty silly argument.

Post: #157

(11-20-2016 08:32 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  ^ Kai,

I'm not suggesting that what was posted to 4chan was legit, I'm simply stating that saying it's false based merely on the premise that the US Govt doesn't break the law is shaky logic at best.

The 4chan post may very well be bullshit, but if I was going to say that, I'd argue it based on the fact that it was posted on 4chan in the first place, not on the CIA/NSA illegal behavior. THAT part I find incredibly easy to believe. The specifics of this particular case, maybe not. But I would be surprised to find out they WEREN'T breaking the law.

"They would definitely be caught." By whom? Snowden is in Russia. Who's going to whistle blow? And even if they do, who's going to care? Who's going to stop them? The American people are completely comatose. They don't care about the illegal activities of the NSA/CIA/FBI, much less if they attack and/or destroy WikiLeaks, which is already operating on moral, legal, and ethically dubious foundations to begin with.

I never said you were incorrect, or that the story as written was truthful or factual. I simply pointed out that suggesting that the Govt always follows the law is a pretty silly argument.

Point out the part where I claimed or stated that the US government always follows the law?

That was not part of my post and is something you illogically decided that I said based upon my points on why it was fake.

What's next? The US Dept. of Transportation making arrests on people that do not pay their speeding tickets? This loser would have gotten away with it more had he used a different 3 letter agency instead. Instead he went for Maximum Tinfoil Effect, and you guys that know too little about these things are lapping it up.

Post: #158

(11-20-2016 08:28 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 08:24 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Wasn't there news just the other day that Sweden will now take testimony form J.A. now that Hillary can no longer call for his head?

Yes this was last week, but that news came from Wikileaks itself I believe. I have not cross checked that on other news outlets.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/jul...-1.2867127

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/n...accusation

They actually interviewed him or provided him the questions according to the outlets. The Swedish investigator actually went to the embassy according to the articles.

So again, more circumstantial-to-obvious proof that he is still alive.. The tinfoil clowns (roissy included) trying to get folks riled up still have not a bit of proof to offer up that he is dead.

Post: #159

Sorry I should have clarified:

Suggesting the US Govt doesn't break the law, or suggesting that certain branches of law enforcement don't break the law is a silly argument.

CIA/FBI/NSA......they all break the law. They all ignore the Constitution. Sure, not every member of every agency is corrupt, but the agencies themselves, and the heads of them, are definitely corrupt.

Post: #160

(11-20-2016 08:46 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  Sorry I should have clarified:

Suggesting the US Govt doesn't break the law, or suggesting that certain branches of law enforcement don't break the law is a silly argument.

CIA/FBI/NSA......they all break the law. They all ignore the Constitution. Sure, not every member of every agency is corrupt, but the agencies themselves, and the heads of them, are definitely corrupt.

Sure an agency can break the law within their own powers. The IRS wrongfully targeted Tea Party folks for example. The IRS is extremely unlikely to break the law by illegally trying to do something that is not within their powers to begin with either. (For example the IRS investigating hate crimes or environmental violations)

If they see something obvious, they usually refer to the agencies that have that power to do so. CIA refers to the FBI for domestic things, because they have no authority (funding, legality, permissions, etc.) to do so.

If Roosh ran a RVF ranch with 50 guys like us in it, and the CIA comes up with badges out, trying to raid us, it should not take even 1 second to decide whether or not to shoot them. Gotta know the law people. They cannot make a raid on US soil on US citizens. Those dudes could be thieves looking to make a lick on a group of suckers. A bullet proof vest and an attitude does not give you the right to make an arrest.

I don't know about the rest of you, but unless they are local police, Texas Rangers, ATF, DEA, FBI, or US Marshals, (With warrants and badges visibly in their hands) I'm going to shoot first and ask questions later. I'll let my lawyer deal with the rest, but I will bet on that I will walk in the end.

This is why hackers usually do a Social Engineering test first during a penetration test for a client. Dress like the workers and try to walk in the door behind the worker and say, they forgot their badge at home. Sweet talk the secretary into letting her give you the key/badge to the (IDF) wiring closet, because you walked in with a ladder and crimping tools in a mechanical suit. Talking fast like you are in a rush and are late to a service call.

Because your average person is a sucker that will fall for anything!

Peep the game fellas! Social Engineering is game!

Post: #161

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the US Supreme court ruled that the NSA surveillance of US Citizens was Unconstitutional, but I'm pretty sure they're still doing it.

Anyways, I think we're arguing over semantics at this point. We both agree the 4chan post is likely bullshit. We simply disagree about the possibility the CIA COULD have raided someone. Personally, I think the CIA is involved in all kinds of shady shit abroad and at home, with US citizens and with non citizens. Then again, I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to US Govt overreach, so take it with a grain of salt.

Post: #162

Since Reddit's #Pizzagate has been banned, this was just posted.

Post: #163

(11-20-2016 08:23 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  You two watch way too much television.

(11-20-2016 09:06 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  I don't know about the rest of you, but unless they are local police, Texas Rangers, ATF, DEA, FBI, or US Marshals, (With warrants and badges visibly in their hands) I'm going to shoot first and ask questions later. I'll let my lawyer deal with the rest, but I will bet on that I will walk in the end.

Post: #164

just a quick peek of an echo coming fromthe rabbit hole

Source link from RT

Source link from RT
Wrote:https://www.rt.com/viral/368231-wikileak...f-ecuador/

RT Wrote:WikiLeaks has effectively asked people to knock it off when it comes to requests for evidence that Julian Assange is still alive.
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Exactly one month since the whistleblowing organisation polled the online community for ways to prove their co-founder’s continued existence, WikiLeaks has now urged people to stop asking for Assange ‘proof of life’.

“Please stop asking us for ‘proof of life’. We do not control Assange’s physical environment or internet connection. @MashiRafael does,” the whistleblowing website tweeted on Thursday.

The 45-year-old has been living within the confines of the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for more than four years. His lolitical asylum follows fears he may be extradited to the US over WikiLeaks-related activities.

Rumors of the Australian’s untimely demise began to swirl in October. Hearsay coincided with Assange’s internet access being tampered with and a particularly prolific period for WikiLeaks, during which Gmail messages from Hillary Clinton’s campaign chair were published online.


Unusually-coded tweets published by media organisation around the same time also gave rise to suggestions that Assange’s death had activated a mysterious ‘dead man’s switch’.

However, a month since people voted for video ‘proof of life,’ it appears that WikiLeaks has had enough of the requests. They are now suggesting that all Assange death inquiries be directed at Ecuador’s president Rafael Correa.

The nation’s government became antsy at the beginning of October that WikiLeaks could influence the US election and admitted placing a temporary restriction on Assange’s internet.


In early November, RT exclusively screened journalist John Pilger’s interview with Julian Assange, in which talked about becoming “institutionalised” from living inside the London embassy “without sunlight” and limited access to the outside world.

Post: #165

@ TravelerKai

You say there is no proof of death, yet why can he not stick his head out of a window, tell a fan of his to go get some starbucks and then have a chat to those waiting outside? Or perhaps a picture from a smartphone?

It is either hype to build momentum for something coming which will land him $$$ or he is imprisoned. I'm thinking $$$ because he and Wikileaks are behaving like attention whores.

Post: #166

No video, just phone call audio :

@wikileaks

Quote:#Assange is currently speaking live to @YoumnaNaufal at #FCM16

https://t.co/3MXUEHAJSA

Post: #167

There is no link to audio either. This is BS.

Post: #168

I saw it when it was being aired.
Oddly they were discussing Lebanon & not the U.S. or his status, yet I'd say I only caught the end of it.

Plus as noted, it was phone call audio only to that conference. No actual video of Assange.
Yet the repeated use of 'uhh' & 'ahh' sounded very much like Assange.

Post: #169

Hook ups?
Be careful :

@wikileaks 3m

Quote:New SMS records show Assange was framed by police in 1st sex case: https://t.co/MqwZAvH0va and in 2nd case: https://t.co/OPCFRveUqM

Post: #170

(11-26-2016 07:41 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  @ TravelerKai

You say there is no proof of death, yet why can he not stick his head out of a window, tell a fan of his to go get some starbucks and then have a chat to those waiting outside? Or perhaps a picture from a smartphone?

It is either hype to build momentum for something coming which will land him $$$ or he is imprisoned. I'm thinking $$$ because he and Wikileaks are behaving like attention whores.

And get shot by a sniper? Have any of you been paying attention to anything? His plan to do a big reveal on the balcony was cancelled by the embassy due to a strong death threat or security threat. He hasn't gotten out on the balcony since then!

I'm trying not to get mean or nasty in here, but some of you guys will believe anything too quickly without taking into account evidences, facts, and other decision making factors.

I appreciate the energy, but my God fellas, gotta think these things through thoroughly. Conspiracy evidence and a general lack of evidence or confirmation is not even close to being actual evidence. Is the desire to want to be the first to have guessed right on a certain set of circumstances, just that important? I'm seeing the same thing on the pizzagate stuff. A decent set of facts or actual evidence, too much fluff between it.

What I would be doing, if I had the luxury of taking a week off and getting away from my kids and wife, would be to track down some of these kids, partygoers, check tax records, property records, use the photos available for facial recognition, etc. In fact there might be enough resources in Guccifer's leaks to help with that, because every donor just about in the Democrat party is in there. There are patterns in there for certain.

This is just a pinch of what the FBI special agents would do, it's just the basics. They have far more technology that they could use, that we cannot, but they would be forced to do the same things before they could get a warrant to get more. If they got the same stuff that has been found right now, they would get laughed out of the office asking for a warrant too.

I digress greatly, but that is my point. If you are not willing to fully investigate a claim out diligently, don't even bother assuming it is true nor should you give it much validity to begin with. You definitely should not be trying to shaming others that point out serious flaws in conspiracy theories as illogical thinkers. If you are trying to fight over who is logical or illogical in a debate over a conspiracy theory, that proves you are reaching, and everyone has lost at that point.

Post: #171

I know full well about why he cancelled. A sniper killing him would open up all sorts of things they don't want. Why wait all this time just to put a bullet in him on live TV and in front of thousands of internet trolls who will make it their life duty to bring anything and everything down.

They wanted him out of the embassy, in a building of their choosing and spirit him away like the CIA did to detainees of Gitmo from the UK. The CIA have no powers of arrest but since when did that stop them from doing illegal shit? They practically enabled ISIS and Al'Qaeda so kidnapping a man in the UK is a day trip jolly.

Assange is out for a book deal.

Post: #172

If Pamela Anderson can just walk in to the embassy for a second time to push more vegan crap on Julian why can't anyone else walk in to see him? Then take a quick phone video discussing current events? If he's alive he must know people want video proof. I find it hard to believe he is so cut off that he doesn't know.

Am I missing something? Has video proof already come out?

Post: #173

(11-16-2016 03:16 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  This video proves he was alive after the FBI reopened the case into Shillary at the end of October 2016, as that event is specifically talked about in the very 1st interview question.

He does not talk about the the FBI reopening the case into Hillary. Only the interviewer does. Also, there are strange glitches exactly at the moment where Assange says 'deplorable'.



My theory is that the video editor fabricated the glitches on purpose. Maybe he wanted to give us a hint: The video got tinkered with.

Post: #174

A rather interesting post about a possible connection to Hillary in regarding to the false accusations against Assange.

Post: #175

Full radio interview of Sean Hannity with Julian Assange from 2 days ago.

I'm putting 2 video links of the same interview in case 1 gets deleted off youtube: