Post: #201

Let's see if this thread can keep going.

Patrice O'Neal, whose game and knowledge of women was unimpeachable, used to watch as guys would fuck his girl. He didn't go very deep into it in his radio shows, because he realized that that was a sensitive subject, even among the most, 'enlightened,' for lack of a better word.

Is there any guy here who doesn't care if their girl is unfaithful? And I don't mean only breaking it off without getting all bent out of shape. That's the first level of acceptance that everyone here understands. But would you openly invite it?

I haven't done it myself, and it goes against the prevailing evo-psych notion of wanting to protect your asset and assuring that your girl only has your seed... but curious to see opinions.

Post: #202

(11-07-2016 05:14 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  Let's see if this thread can keep going.

Patrice O'Neal, whose game and knowledge of women was unimpeachable, used to watch as guys would fuck his girl. He didn't go very deep into it in his radio shows, because he realized that that was a sensitive subject, even among the most, 'enlightened,' for lack of a better word.

That's a bold move, cotton. But I'll bite.

(11-07-2016 05:14 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  Is there any guy here who doesn't care if their girl is unfaithful? And I don't mean only breaking it off without getting all bent out of shape. That's the first level of acceptance that everyone here understands. But would you openly invite it?

If I don't care if a girl is unfaithful, then she isn't my girl. Period. While I've slept with a decent amount of women, only a few became my girlfriend; my woman. I'd never invite infidelity, openly or not. I don't see the sense in bringing about a consequence that I have no desire to experience. I don't need to touch a hot stove a second time to make sure I don't like the burning sensation.

In a similar vein, though, I don't worry if my woman will cheat or not. I do my best to pick loyal women, of good character for relationships. The rest is up to her. If she wants to cheat, she can and she will, and there's nothing I can really do if she's determined to do it. Doesn't mean I'd want it to happen or would be anything other than upset if it did.

I'm only human.

(11-07-2016 05:14 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  I haven't done it myself, and it goes against the prevailing evo-psych notion of wanting to protect your asset and assuring that your girl only has your seed... but curious to see opinions.

So Kamikaze, tell me:



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Post: #203

I'm actually in the EXACT same situation as you. This is key: are you going to marry the Bitch?

If the answer is no, then have fun with her and trade in to the better modle next year. If the answer is yes, I couldn't possibly know how to answer without knowing much more about you.

Post: #204

Geoman - do you have other sluts on rotation when you have a main woman aka girlfriend?

Post: #205

LOL at people saying LTR is an investment with net loss / gain, as if men are emotionally dead creatures with pure logic and rationality.

Forget all calculation about gains and loss, when what you are talking about is a woman who you will spend a lot of time with, and is guaranteed to affect you emotionally, even changing you in some way. Your psychology and biology would be screaming before your brain says "I invest this and only get that, therefore I should not..."

Post: #206

OP if your gut is telling you that something is not right then, no matter what you do or any advice you receive, it will always be at the back of your mind.

It will eat at you during your relationship with this girl and it will manifest itself in hampering your game with her. Now whether or not you will accept her past and have no problems with her later down cannot be determined, but if your gut instinct tells you that she's a slut and has a past then it will eat at you for as long as you are with this girl or don't come at peace with those doubts.

I don't necessarily think a first date bang ALWAYS equates to the girl being a slut. Sometimes when your game is sharp and you bring the overall package girls will put out quickly with the goal of getting you into a relationship in mind (especially if your SMV is higher than her's as you say).

Now whether or not you can have a dedicated and healthy relationship with a promiscuous girl, in my opinion, it is not possible in most cases (there's an outlier to everything however). Her bonding chemicals must have been hampered massively if she's had any more than five partners in her life. I don't have scientific basis for this but it's just my personal observation and theory.

In regards to cheating I'd recommend for you to not worry too much about this. If she does cheat then just leave her. Worrying about factors like this in a relationship is not healthy and will again hamper your game. Trust her as long as she doesn't act dodgy, and if you ever find out she's cheated on you then dump her on the spot.

Overall I'd say that if your gut instinct if giving you negative feelings and thoughts about this then it may not be the right relationship for you. Not only will your own game be affected but it will also be unfair on her in that she'll always be questioning how her own actions will be perceived by your doubts even if she's done nothing wrong.

Post: #207

There are women out there with the desire to be faithful, and I don't necessarily think that their history has anything to do with it. You need to reframe her in your life and make it clear that you are serious with your actions. Never reveal your insecurities. Fix up before you ever fall prey to revealing them. If she's confided her past with you, it clearly stands for some level of trust she has with you. It's your choice to throw it in her face, or treat it maturely...

Post: #208

I think that the fix to this problem is as follows:
1. Enjoy "her" while it lasts.
2. Screen better. You don't like sluts, and that's OK. Screen hard for such behavior such that you don't end up wasting your time with a chick you're not comfortable with.

Post: #209

(11-05-2016 03:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(11-04-2016 11:33 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  Yeah, I totally get what you mean. A girl who grew up with bible-thumping parents who sent her to an all-girls school might be a whore who just hasn't had the chance to act out her desires (yet).

That being said, any girl who goes to a co-ed school will have plenty of opportunities to resist temptation. If a girl gets through high school without engaging in sexual activity, that in itself shows she is capable of resisting sexual advances. If a girl goes as far as third base with a guy, I wouldn't exactly call that "resisting."

I think we basically agree about all the important aspect of this issue. There just may be a small difference in where we draw the line as to what should be considered "sexual activity." I agree that the line needs to be drawn somewhere. I wouldn't consider a girl "sexually active" just for holding hands with a guy, or even kissing.

I think we can judge women on different standards depending on the situation. For example:

- If I'm just looking for a one-night stand, I don't care how many notches she has. As long as she's decently attractive and hasn't been raw-dogged by another guy in the last 24 hours, she's good enough for me.

- If I'm looking for a short-term relationship, I would not want a girl who was the town whore, or a girl who had had sex with all my friends, but I wouldn't mind a nice girl with a few notches on her bedpost.

- If I'm looking for a potential wife, I would prefer her to be a virgin, but it would not be a deal-breaker if I found out she kissed a few guys before me or had a "boyfriend" at school when she was 8. Also, if I were over 30 and still single, I might accept a nice girl with a few notches, although that would not be ideal.

- When it comes to my future daughters, I will do everything in my power (within reason) to prevent any sexual contact, including kissing and hand-holding, with any boy or man not married to her. I would also do everything in my power to prevent her from marrying a guy I did not approve of. Of course, I would not stop loving her even if she did have sex. I would just try and prevent that from happening in the first place.

And I don't think that would necessarily cause her to rebel and become a slut. If a girl has strict parents but she loves and respects them, she is far less likely to rebel. The reason so many "church girls" end up rebelling and becoming sluts is because their fathers are probably spineless church cucks who they don't respect.

The above list does not apply to me personally since I've already got my girl. My point is that there are no rigid rules for judging a woman. Every situation is different.

This is the kind of mentality and set of rules that makes everyone around you miserable, and most often than not leads to family tragedies...

Put yourself in a situation where you find out your virgin snowflake betrayed you with another guy...

I recommend you to check out this old Portuguese flick from 1941 called "The Tyrant Father", when even in strongly fascist and highly conservative Portugal of the era, was funny to mock a father like you want to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tyrant_Father

So you're saying that traditional patriarchy "makes everyone...miserable" and "leads to family tragedies"?

Post: #210

(11-07-2016 02:53 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  No one ever tried to claim that a girl who's been with another man before is guaranteed to be unfaithful.

But the odds are statistically speaking 27% worse if she's been with even ONE other man. Your odds sink lower and lower for every partner she had before you.

Here's the thing: even if I was 100% sure that a certain girl with a slutty past would never cheat on me or divorce me, the slutty past in itself would still be a deal-breaker.

While it is true that girls with slutty pasts are far more likely to cheat and/or divorce, that is not the main reason why slutty girls are undesirable as wives (although it is a very important reason).

The main reason why we are repulsed by women who have a sexual past is because it is simply in our nature as men. Men and women both have traits that they are naturally attracted to in the opposite sex, and traits they are naturally repulsed by. For example, women are attracted to successful men with money, and repulsed by broke losers. They are also attracted to men who are physically strong and repulsed by men who are physically weak. By the same token, men are attracted to girls who with beautiful curvy bodies, and repulsed by ugly/fat girls. Men are also attracted to virginal women, and repulsed by whores. This is an evolutionary trait that evolved in order to ensure paternity. Lacking DNA technology, marrying a virgin was the only way for men to ensure that his child was, indeed, his.

I know that for myself, the reason I wouldn't marry a girl with a past is not because I am worried that she would cheat (although that is a legitimate concern). It is because I naturally find a woman far more attractive if she is untouched and has not been defiled by other men. This is natural and instinctual, and in my opinion, any man who claims not to feel this way is either lying to himself or brainwashed by the liberal culture.

PS: When I say I am "repulsed" by slutty women, I would obviously still fuck a slutty girl if she was physically attractive. I just wouldn't find her attractive for an LTR or marriage. Also, I would find a 7 who is not slutty to be more attractive than a 7 who is a slut, even just for a one-night stand. However, I would still fuck the slut.

Post: #211

OP. When you feel a tingle in your nuts its cuz a bitch is about to kick you in the balls.

Post: #212

(11-12-2016 05:25 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  [quote='John_Galt' pid='1436138' dateline='1478548388']

PS: When I say I am "repulsed" by slutty women, I would obviously still fuck a slutty girl if she was physically attractive. I just wouldn't find her attractive for an LTR or marriage. Also, I would find a 7 who is not slutty to be more attractive than a 7 who is a slut, even just for a one-night stand. However, I would still fuck the slut.

A 7 who is not slutty in a ONS vs a 7 who is slutty in a ONS...they are both sluts.

Rob, too much theory on your side and less real life. Best of luck.

Post: #213

(11-13-2016 01:53 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 05:25 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  [quote='John_Galt' pid='1436138' dateline='1478548388']

PS: When I say I am "repulsed" by slutty women, I would obviously still fuck a slutty girl if she was physically attractive. I just wouldn't find her attractive for an LTR or marriage. Also, I would find a 7 who is not slutty to be more attractive than a 7 who is a slut, even just for a one-night stand. However, I would still fuck the slut.

A 7 who is not slutty in a ONS vs a 7 who is slutty in a ONS...they are both sluts.

Rob, too much theory on your side and less real life. Best of luck.

You're right, that probably wasn't the best example. My overall point was that there is a lot of talk about how slutty chicks are more likely to cheat and/or divorce you, and while that is true an a real concern, it is not the only reason why guys prefer virgins and non-sluts for relationships. Most men are naturally repulsed by the idea of his woman having taken multiple dicks. This is evolutionary and goes beyond the fear that a woman will cheat or leave you.

That has everything to do with "real life," as you put it. The fact that men prefer a certain type of woman with certain traits (including chastity) is not some arbitrary philosophical theory, it is an aspect of man's true nature. Of course, different men can have different tastes in women, but there are certain aspects of attraction that are unchanging from man to man.

Post: #214

I can see both sides of the argument. There are great points on both sides.

But at the end of the day, we aren't rational. We can deny it all we want, but men have emotions. Not as bad as women, but emotions and irrational behavior still control our decisions.

In a vacuum, we would all love to create a perfect bond with a flawless and beautiful virgin. But vacuums and theories aren't applied reality.

No one is arguing to invest in sluts. We've all put our dicks into them, but they aren't meeting your parents.

In the end, regardless of principles, every man who chooses to settle down is going to pick the woman that makes him the happiest. Maybe she's taken 0 dicks, 5 dicks, or 10 dicks. Hell, maybe you're 65 and you find a broad who is 50 with 3 kids who makes you happy. Are you going to next her during your twilight years because she was previously married?

There isn't a right or wrong answer. I stayed with my last ex for 2.5 years and she had seen 5 dicks before me. Our personalities matched and we bonded and the relationship was awesome. I didn't care because we had a ton of fun and enjoyed each other's company.

There is going to be an expiration date with every relationship you enter into. Maybe it's a one night stand. Maybe you get married and then she dies in a car crash before your retirement party. It doesn't fucking matter how it ends. But every man needs to realize that it is going to end.

Would I love to settle down with a virgin? Hell yeah, I'm only twenty five and don't plan on having kids for at least the next 8-10 years. Would I rule a girl out because she's 23 and has fucked 4 dudes in her lifetime? If she's cool and we bond, probably not.

I'm not saying we're being unrealistic by expecting virgins, I hopefully plan on meeting and marrying one someday, but ruling a chick out by having one dick is rather arbitrary. But it also depends on context. If you're a 50 year old man who's recently divorced, the odds of finding an 18 year old virgin is very low unless you move abroad or have insane amounts of money, connections, or fame. I have a much better chance of locking down a virgin now at 25 vs. 10 or 15 years from now when I'm 35-40.

But if a broad makes you happy, who cares? I'm in a mini LTR right now with a girl with fake titties and tattoos. I don't know or care how many dicks she's grabbed. I'm investing nothing into the relationship.

But I enjoy the relationship. She's funny and cool and I look forward to hanging out with her. We have a bunch of stupid inside jokes just like every other girl I've dated.

I don't care if she disappears tomorrow, because I have backups, but I genuinely enjoy her company.

And that is why I'm in the game. I genuinely enjoy a woman's company. I like going to the bar/pub with them, grabbing food with them, and taking them home and banging them. I also enjoy texting girls I'm dating. Sending stupid gifs/memes and what not.

I love pair bonding with women and being close to them. It's an awesome feeling. But I'm not investing in them. I'm not knocking them up.

When the time comes, I'll hopefully land a virgin, but if not, no worries. I know enough about women to find one that has a good character that I'll be proud to introduce to my parents.

But until then, it doesn't matter. I'm going to spend time with girls who make me happy. I don't care if they've seen 15 dicks if they let my dog out while I'm working late and have dinner ready when I pull up. I'm not marrying these girls.

But they improve my life. So I'm going to keep enjoying them.

Post: #215

(11-13-2016 03:00 AM)wi30 Wrote:  ...
And that is why I'm in the game. I genuinely enjoy a woman's company. I like going to the bar/pub with them, grabbing food with them, and taking them home and banging them. I also enjoy texting girls I'm dating. Sending stupid gifs/memes and what not.

I love pair bonding with women and being close to them. It's an awesome feeling. But I'm not investing in them. I'm not knocking them up.
...

See gents, here is a prime example about outlining what it is you want game to do for you.

wi30 currently shares my outlook with game. I'm not looking for a mother for my future children at this point in my life. I'm certainly not closed off to the idea of it happening, but it's not on my agenda. I'm very content spending my time with women that I simply enjoy being with. Women I have some things in common with, can laugh and play around with, go places with, and generally genuinely enjoy my time with.

This is not for everyone. One should work to really define what it is they want to get from game. Do you want to use game to sleep with as many new random women as possible? Do you want to use game to build a harem of reliable and tolerable women to come over to your place and have sex with little-to-no hassle on your part? Do you want to learn game to casually date a woman or two who is desirable to you per your particular tastes for an undetermined amount of time? Do you want to use game to get with a young, safe, and dependable woman who will have your children and raise them for you while you provide for the family?

Game is game, but how you use it depends on you. Anything you do with game is an investment. It can be time, energy, money, emotions, or your future. Invest in what is most valuable to you.

Post: #216

I recall a thread a while back about how the ancients looked at the particular morality of sex, and someone pointed out that (someone like Epictetus, correct me if anyone knows) it was going against our natural disposition, for lack of a better term, to have sex with someone you wouldn't consider fit enough or suitable to bear your children. It was curious when I read it because I had never verbalized that, but always found that that was in fact how I always thought as a "modern" person.

Has anyone else ever thought like this? It's also funny because we each sorta set taboos for ourselves in our own mini paradigm. For example, different races or ethnicities of girls that we would find ideal for our children or partner, at the same time, provide a weird excitement because obviously the boning you're trying to "get away with" is with the intent of not having a kid with her --- so you sorta look at them as a disposable entity, which is a strange play on dominance, and I'd admit, not likely a good thing.

Post: #217

I don't think it's exactly accurate to bring the "natural disposition" argument into what you are attracted to and what your tastes and preferences are with women and with life in general. There is a certain biological imperative at play in every thing we do at a base level of course, but think about it: merely the fact that we have sex while deliberately preventing conception is contrary to the natural imperative in itself. Human beings do a lot of things that are contrary to the natural flow of the animal kingdom. Therefore we indulge in things that are relatively far removed from what is naturally necessary or beneficial to us. We do things in our day-to-day life that are harmful merely because it is "fun."

I will say a lot of this is certainly programming, and part of the red pill is to deny your programming and turn your back on what others tell you that you should be doing.

All things being "natural" - a pasty white straight haired man of European decent like myself should not be mating with black women... but I sure do love me a sexy curvy black girl with chocolate skin, thick soft lips, and juicy ass and titties from time to time.

Post: #218

I agree 100% with wi30, and Stalins recent musings as well.

My strong stance AGAINST dating "slutty" women was in relation to what 90% of men consider an LTR: A long-term, monogamous relationship with one woman you have strong feelings for.

If you change ANY part of that equation, the answer changes as well. Being with multiple women makes it far easier to not invest or get emotionally attached. So does making the relationships short-term.

I still stick to my original advice: I would strongly suggest no man get emotionally ATTACHED to a woman with a slutty past. The long term losses are greater than the long term benefits.

Spending time around someone who's company you enjoy and being emotionally attached do not necessarily go hand in hand. Keep your feelings out of it.

If you want to let yourself get emotionally attached to a woman, you should choose wisely, and that means choosing a girl with intact pair-bonding mechanisms.

Of course, there are a number of reasons seasoned veterans would say you should NEVER allow yourself to get emotionally attached to a girl, but that's a whole other topic. I also happen to think it's highly unrealistic.

Post: #219

I can relate to this. I was not troubled by my wife's past for thirteen years of marriage, then, after hearing too much from her and others, I began to feel retroactive jealousy. I was mad that she had ridden eight other dicks. I will never get over this. There is much info on the web to help you deal with this, but I am still bothered by it. My plan has been to never talk about it, but instead, blow her mind with the sex we have. We have enjoyed many "firsts" together, and she has said that I have "fucked those guys out of her", and boy have I

Post: #220

(11-17-2016 05:16 PM)JacobVR Wrote:  I can relate to this. I was not troubled by my wife's past for thirteen years of marriage, then, after hearing too much from her and others, I began to feel retroactive jealousy. I was mad that she had ridden eight other dicks. I will never get over this. There is much info on the web to help you deal with this, but I am still bothered by it. My plan has been to never talk about it, but instead, blow her mind with the sex we have. We have enjoyed many "firsts" together, and she has said that I have "fucked those guys out of her", and boy have I

You're gonna get sick of her ass soon enough anyway and you'll think back....

Why did I care about this dumb shit?

Post: #221

Or more likely he'll end up wondering why the hell he married a used up girl.

There's a reason people by brand new cars, and it isn't because they're more expensive. It's because you know exactly what you're getting.

You know that no one has destroyed the suspension or transmission through stupid driving.
You know no ones smoked cigarettes in it.
You know it comes with a warranty.
You know it's never been wrecked.
You know you'll be the first to fuck a girl in it.
Etc etc etc.

Same thing applies to women. The more previous "owners" she's had, the more likely you are to experience problems down the road.

Post: #222

"Pretty sure my girlfriend has a slutty past and its bothering me"

Did not read topic but I can guarantee your relationship with that girl will never ever pan out well.