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Melania's speech, short and sweet. She starts at the 01:01:20 mark.




UPDATE: She's talking about her immigrant experience; about what kind of country Donald wants; what she would do as First Lady; internet bullying; women in poverty.

(11-03-2016 12:37 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  [The woman at the restaurant] asked something related to politics and we entered into a jilted conversation where she didn't really have a lot to say other than to ask questions. I explained that I was somewhat skeptical of the corruption claims against Hillary until the last couple weeks and the mountains of evidence that keep piling up of her corruption from the Podesta E-mails, the rest of the Wikileaks releases, Project Veritas, the FBI releases, etc... and now I know she and the Clintons are horrible.

Then I went on to ask her if she knew that it's PROVEN in the releases that she colluded with the DNC to steal the Democrat nomination in the primaries from Bernie? That the only other anti-establishment candidate got blatantly cheated? This may have been the one point where the husband asked "do you think the Bernie supporters are going to vote for Hillary?" and I told them both that no, I think that the Bernie supporters are mostly going to vote for Trump, Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, or a good bit of them are instead going to just stay home.

She asked me if I was a Bernie supporter and I told her at that time I was undecided (HA). They didn't know what to think at all. She kind of just started eating and then they meekly said bye when I stood up after getting my order called and said, "It's going to be really interesting, you guys have a great day" with a big smile on my face. On my way out the register girl was coming back in and opened the door for me so I thanked her and wished her a great day as well as she smiled super wide nervous either because she was scared of Trump supporters or because she was impressed by my shirt and attitude.

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Okay, this is a MASSIVE DOWNER for me:

Trump Wants Former Goldman Partner And Soros Employee To Serve As Treasury Secretary!

Quote:Six months ago, Steven Mnuchin became finance chair for the Trump campaign. Having succesfully helped to raise 10s of millions of dollars for the campaign, the former Goldman Sachs partner and Soros Fund management employee is now positioned for something much larger as Donald Trump reportedly told his aides today that he wants Mnuchin to serve as his Treasury Secretary.

[Image: munchin.jpg]

Ironically, Trump has often criticized Clinton (and his former competitor Ted Cruz) for their links to the big banks:

"I know the guys at Goldman Sachs. They have total, total control over him. Just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton,” Trump said in one debate.
But as we noted previously, he had no qualms, however, in hiring one of the most prominent Goldman alums to raise money for him.

In addition to Goldman, Mnuchin also worked at Soros Fund Management, whose founder, George Soros, has funded many left-leaning causes. Where it gets even more bizarre is that Mnuchin has donated frequently to Democrats, including to Clinton and Barack Obama.

As a hedge fund manager, Mnuchin is part of a group of businesspeople Trump has excoriated. In August, Trump said hedge fund managers were "getting away with murder" as he touted his proposal to end the so-called carried interest loophole, which gives private equity and hedge fund managers preferential tax treatment.

"The hedge fund guys didn't build this country," Trump said at the time on CBS' Face the Nation. "These are guys that shift paper around and they get lucky," he said. "They are energetic. They are very smart. But a lot of them—they are paper-pushers. They make a fortune. They pay no tax. It's ridiculous."

They apparently are also very good at raising money.
* * *

Some more on Mnuchin's background: starting his career in the early 1980s as a trainee at Salomon Brothers before moving to Goldman Sachs in 1985, Mnuchin was front and center for the advent of instruments like collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps. He has called securitization “an extremely positive development in terms of being able to finance different parts of the economy and different businesses efficiently.” The pitfalls of the financing method came later, he's said.

Mnuchin's father, Robert Mnuchin, was a partner at Goldman Sachs in the 1960s. The second-youngest of five siblings, Steven attended the prestigious Riverdale Country School and then Yale University, where his roommate was Edward Lampert, who would go on to become a hedge-fund manager and owner of Sears.

More recently, in October 2014 Mnuchin became co-chairman of the board of the Hollywood studio Relativity Media due to Dune's fascination with movies. Dune has provided financing for batches of winning movies, like the “X-Men” franchise and “Avatar,” Hollywood’s all-time box-office champion.

Relativity Media filed for bankruptcy last summer, just a few months after Mnuchin's arrival. According to Variety, Dune was intimately involved in the studio's failure.

The money-man and fellow investors in a Dune Capital fund are said to have lost as much as $80 million — equity that is almost certain to be lost for good, said two sources familiar with the situation. And disgruntled Relativity investors privately are questioning how a bank Mnuchin once headed –OneWest Bank of Pasadena – was allowed by Relativity to drain $50 million from the studio just weeks prior to the July 30 insolvency filing.

Mnuchin had left Relativity just days before the company reached an agreement with OneWest to extend the loan deadline and allow the bank to claim that money.
* * *

To be sure, Hillary Clinton, who in turn has been attacked for her paid speeches to Goldman Sachs (and her public-private positioning for them), also has a high-ranking Goldman official in her ranks, former CFTC commissioner Gary Gensler, who is the former secretary of state’s chief financial officer and whom she is grooming for a potential Treasury Secretary.

But for Trump, a self-professed "anti-establishment" candidate, who has repeatedly stated he is not "for sale to special interest groups", his sudden call for the seemingly most "Wall Street" of Wall-Streeters to become Treasury Secretary may come as a big surprise to some and will leave many of his supporters demanding an explanation.

So it's Obama all over again? Because I remember that's the first thing he did once he took office - placing GS henchmen into the treasury and the Fed.

Fuckthat2

I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.
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Why not just keep and print all US money and gold in Israel, to formalize that sorry charade

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More news from the supposed pro-Trump arson attack on a black church.

They did not catch the perps (the news I linked to was from another church burning).

However a go-fund-me appeal already raised 170.000$ up till now:

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https://www.gofundme.com/hopewellbaptist...764e065880

I am certain that a good number of folk who donated are Trump supporters from the bible-belt.

That is the proper response to cheap anti-Trump vandalism like that.

With cash like that they can rebuild a whole new bigger church.
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(11-03-2016 01:35 PM)redpillage Wrote:  I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.

It' very possible that Trump will just be "more of the same". He is most likely buddy-buddy with many honchos on Wall St. and won't do much to piss them off. I'm voting for him solely because he represents a symbolic fuck-you to the liberal/SJW establishment. That and also the fact that his election would be a slight dent in the femcentric nature of our society. Other than that, I'm not holding my breath.
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(11-03-2016 01:35 PM)redpillage Wrote:  I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.

It' very possible that Trump will just be "more of the same". He is most likely buddy-buddy with many honchos on Wall St. and won't do much to piss them off. I'm voting for him solely because he represents a symbolic fuck-you to the liberal/SJW establishment. That and also the fact that his election would be a slight dent in the femcentric nature of our society. Other than that, I'm not holding my breath.

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(11-03-2016 02:01 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I am certain that a good number of folk who donated are Trump supporters from the bible-belt.

That is the proper response to cheap anti-Trump vandalism like that.

With cash like that they can rebuild a whole new bigger church.

Could you imagine if Trump donated a bunch of money to build another church ? Ahead of schedule and under budget ?

How many libs heads would explode ?

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(11-03-2016 01:35 PM)redpillage Wrote:  Okay, this is a MASSIVE DOWNER for me:

Trump Wants Former Goldman Partner And Soros Employee To Serve As Treasury Secretary!

Quote:Six months ago, Steven Mnuchin became finance chair for the Trump campaign. Having succesfully helped to raise 10s of millions of dollars for the campaign, the former Goldman Sachs partner and Soros Fund management employee is now positioned for something much larger as Donald Trump reportedly told his aides today that he wants Mnuchin to serve as his Treasury Secretary.

[Image: munchin.jpg]

Ironically, Trump has often criticized Clinton (and his former competitor Ted Cruz) for their links to the big banks:

"I know the guys at Goldman Sachs. They have total, total control over him. Just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton,” Trump said in one debate.
But as we noted previously, he had no qualms, however, in hiring one of the most prominent Goldman alums to raise money for him.

In addition to Goldman, Mnuchin also worked at Soros Fund Management, whose founder, George Soros, has funded many left-leaning causes. Where it gets even more bizarre is that Mnuchin has donated frequently to Democrats, including to Clinton and Barack Obama.

As a hedge fund manager, Mnuchin is part of a group of businesspeople Trump has excoriated. In August, Trump said hedge fund managers were "getting away with murder" as he touted his proposal to end the so-called carried interest loophole, which gives private equity and hedge fund managers preferential tax treatment.

"The hedge fund guys didn't build this country," Trump said at the time on CBS' Face the Nation. "These are guys that shift paper around and they get lucky," he said. "They are energetic. They are very smart. But a lot of them—they are paper-pushers. They make a fortune. They pay no tax. It's ridiculous."

They apparently are also very good at raising money.
* * *

Some more on Mnuchin's background: starting his career in the early 1980s as a trainee at Salomon Brothers before moving to Goldman Sachs in 1985, Mnuchin was front and center for the advent of instruments like collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps. He has called securitization “an extremely positive development in terms of being able to finance different parts of the economy and different businesses efficiently.” The pitfalls of the financing method came later, he's said.

Mnuchin's father, Robert Mnuchin, was a partner at Goldman Sachs in the 1960s. The second-youngest of five siblings, Steven attended the prestigious Riverdale Country School and then Yale University, where his roommate was Edward Lampert, who would go on to become a hedge-fund manager and owner of Sears.

More recently, in October 2014 Mnuchin became co-chairman of the board of the Hollywood studio Relativity Media due to Dune's fascination with movies. Dune has provided financing for batches of winning movies, like the “X-Men” franchise and “Avatar,” Hollywood’s all-time box-office champion.

Relativity Media filed for bankruptcy last summer, just a few months after Mnuchin's arrival. According to Variety, Dune was intimately involved in the studio's failure.

The money-man and fellow investors in a Dune Capital fund are said to have lost as much as $80 million — equity that is almost certain to be lost for good, said two sources familiar with the situation. And disgruntled Relativity investors privately are questioning how a bank Mnuchin once headed –OneWest Bank of Pasadena – was allowed by Relativity to drain $50 million from the studio just weeks prior to the July 30 insolvency filing.

Mnuchin had left Relativity just days before the company reached an agreement with OneWest to extend the loan deadline and allow the bank to claim that money.
* * *

To be sure, Hillary Clinton, who in turn has been attacked for her paid speeches to Goldman Sachs (and her public-private positioning for them), also has a high-ranking Goldman official in her ranks, former CFTC commissioner Gary Gensler, who is the former secretary of state’s chief financial officer and whom she is grooming for a potential Treasury Secretary.

But for Trump, a self-professed "anti-establishment" candidate, who has repeatedly stated he is not "for sale to special interest groups", his sudden call for the seemingly most "Wall Street" of Wall-Streeters to become Treasury Secretary may come as a big surprise to some and will leave many of his supporters demanding an explanation.

So it's Obama all over again? Because I remember that's the first thing he did once he took office - placing GS henchmen into the treasury and the Fed.

Fuckthat2

I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.

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Quote:I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.

Gtfo

Stop acting like cucks. Trump knows what he's doing. You guys said the same thing about Pence when he was picked. Vote and enjoy the ride. Don't vote and we're coming for ya.

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(11-03-2016 02:08 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 01:35 PM)redpillage Wrote:  I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.

It' very possible that Trump will just be "more of the same". He is most likely buddy-buddy with many honchos on Wall St. and won't do much to piss them off. I'm voting for him solely because he represents a symbolic fuck-you to the liberal/SJW establishment. That and also the fact that his election would be a slight dent in the femcentric nature of our society. Other than that, I'm not holding my breath.

Trump obviously sold out to the globalist and wants to exterminate all straight white males.

I'm going back to change my early vote to Hillary.
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(11-03-2016 01:35 PM)redpillage Wrote:  So it's Obama all over again? Because I remember that's the first thing he did once he took office - placing GS henchmen into the treasury and the Fed.

Fuckthat2

I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.

Zerohedge is not a credible source always. Lets wait and see.

I agree that putting a Goldman Sachs jew as treasury is very bad news.

That's why I stress constant anti-jewish nepotism, you let up one second and these people find their way into your organism. Constant vigilance is needed.

In addition, consider Trump as your Obama yes, Obama accomplished very little by policy but did great damage by his endorsment of SJW culture. Trump will be the opposite. It is up to right wingers to lift the burden of attack and that includes continuing to relentlessly expose and attack the fraud of international jewish capitalism.
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I'm interested to see what this news is that Wikileaks is planning on releasing at 4pm ET.
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Source:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-...-1.2857031

Quote:New York moving company magnate Moishe Mana vows to cover Donald Trump’s sex assault accusers’ legal defense fees

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Thursday, November 3, 2016,

The "man with a van" says he'll unload millions to bankroll the legal defense of Donald Trump's accusers. New York billionaire Moishe Mana — the Israeli immigrant who started Moishe's Moving with a borrowed van in the 1980s — told the Daily News he's willing to spend "whatever money necessary" to defend any woman sued by Trump over her allegations of sexual misconduct. "Whatever money it is, $1 million, $2 million, $5 million or $10 million," the real estate mogul told The News by phone shortly before boarding a flight from Korea to Florida. "It's my word," he said of the promise. "We will put together a team. I will spearhead it. I will put money, and we will make it happen. We can't let one guy terrorize us." More than a dozen women have accused Trump of unwanted sexual advances or sexual assault during the course of his campaign. Most stepped forward in recent weeks after a 2005 "Access Hollywood" recording emerged in which the former "Apprentice" star bragged about kissing and grabbing women without their permission.

"All of these liars will be sued once the election is over," Trump vowed the same day adult film actress Jessica Drake claimed Trump kissed and hugged her without consent and offered her $10,000 for a hotel rendezvous. Though details of Mana's plan were still murky Thursday, the entrepreneur said he plans to set up a website or phone number in the next few days for women who've already stepped forward and anyone considering going public. "I intend to fight it and do whatever it takes to protect the girls, and even seek damages from the guy," he told The News. "We're going to hire lawyers to defend the whole case should he try to attack them," he said. "It cannot be that one guy can bully the entire country and do whatever and say whatever and we are subject to his rhetoric." A vocal supporter of Hillary Clinton, he said he considers Trump a demagogue who wants to "take us back in time." "I can't believe one guy can talk the way he talks about women and immigrants," Mana said. "This rhetoric should not be allowed. Protecting these women and these girls is part of a bigger fight."
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This close to the election, there are no 'news breaks' that could move the needle one way of the other. It's all minutiae at this point. What does matter are local things like get-out-the-vote efforts or personal interactions.
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(11-03-2016 01:35 PM)redpillage Wrote:  Okay, this is a MASSIVE DOWNER for me:

--article--

So it's Obama all over again? Because I remember that's the first thing he did once he took office - placing GS henchmen into the treasury and the Fed.

Fuckthat2

I don't even know why I bother to cast my vote at this point. I hope you guys can appreciate the implications here.

Why are you always so negative? In the Migrant Invasion of Europe thread you say nothing but how the world is ending and the west is fucked, and here all it takes is one article and you're throwing in the towel. Are you trying to demoralize people in this thread too?

This Private Hudson "Game over man!" shit doesn't help anyone. Contribute in a positive manner or go ride the pine, I'd rather have less men in the charge than someone poisoning our morale.
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Lol at people freaking out over Mnuchin. They did the same when he was originally hired. The guy works for Trump first and foremost, and was hired because he was good at his job. Just because he has "connections" to a lot of globalist/wall street people and banks, doesn't mean he is a mole or is working to undermine Trump, or that Trump is a secret globalist himself. Most people in the "money/banking world" have connections to each other. It would be hard to find a high level person with no "connections" to that world that also is great at his job. Just because Mnuchin does too doesn't mean that he is loyal to wall street over Trump. He has done a good job so far and done what he has been asked to do. Besides, he is not even Treasury secretary yet. That is all hearsay and speculation. Start worrying if he actually becomes Treasury secretary and then starts making pro-wall street decisions on top of that that undermine or go against Trump's agenda. That is a long way away and probably won't even happen.

If you are in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl, you don't suddenly start worrying over next years draft. You focus on winning NOW and worry about other issues as they come.
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(((Moishe Mana))) as if a country like yours isn't terrorizing or bullying anyone enough.

GTFO and stay in Israel.

Us goy's will sort our country out.

What a white knighting faggot.

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I occasionally Skype chat with an Australian girl who is reasonably attractive, smart at psychology, and not crazy. (Rare combo.)

So I'm explaining shitposting and how difficult it is, because you have to know how to hurt people, and learn how not to care when you're hurting people. Empathy without empathy.

She says, "Psychologically speaking, that's psychopathy!"

And I'm thinking to myself, "Yeah it is." while imagining my favorite Trump smiley face.
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^ guys - what did you expect? The globalists have been building their nest egg for centuries now.

Trump is not going to to be able to change things anytime fast - possibly that he cannot do much. We will find out soon what he can do or whether he can do anything at all.

My guess is that even if he makes only minor changes, then it is all better than TheCunt. And if he risks too much, then he will die a JFK death. At least then you will know what we are up against.
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(11-03-2016 03:05 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  I occasionally Skype chat with an Australian girl who is reasonably attractive, smart at psychology, and not crazy. (Rare combo.)

So I'm explaining shitposting and how difficult it is, because you have to know how to hurt people, and learn how not to care when you're hurting people. Empathy without empathy.

She says, "Psychologically speaking, that's psychopathy!"

And I'm thinking to myself, "Yeah it is." while imagining my favorite Trump smiley face.

Wow, thanks for that riveting story about your legendary shitposting, Forum Gamma.

Remember that Conversation with a Psychopath thread? Well now we have a real one we can ask questions to.. tard

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Anyone who believes this treasury secretary story is an idiot who needs to get the hell out of this thread and go post in the newbie forum or something. You're not tall enough for this ride.

For over a year now you've been seeing anonymously sourced stories attempting to demoralize and demonize Trump supporters. You know it happens. Hell, you've probably posted something about how stupid and gullible people are who believe the media's lies. But now you're ready to believe this particular anonymously sourced story, which has no backing, no named sources, and not even corroboration on a major news site, because it flatters your prejudices about how the evil Jew controls everything? This is what has you ready to give up and pack it in? You're not even going to try and verify it before you start with the doom and gloom?

Trump has already said, repeatedly and publicly, that he wants Carl Ichan to be his treasury secretary. Maybe he's not serious. Maybe he actually wants someone else. But his public statements should override anonymous rumor-mongering.
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(11-03-2016 03:05 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  So I'm explaining shitposting and how difficult it is, because you have to know how to hurt people, and learn how not to care when you're hurting people. Empathy without empathy.

What the fuck. Shitposting isn't about "hurting people." Its hilarious trolling that draws attention to what you want.
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I know I am not supposed to post here but I wanted to share some important news.

I volunteered for Citizens for Trump to do conduct a exit polling in Florida along with Stop the Steal (Roger Stone's organization) and unfortunately, we (Citizens for Trump & Stop the Steal) won't be able to do any exit polling on election day.

The app that was supposed to conduct the exit poll won't be ready before election day. Cit

This means that there won't be any independent exit polling on election day.

Let's hope he wins in a landslide
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(11-03-2016 03:31 PM)borntomack Wrote:  I know I am not supposed to post here but I wanted to share some important news.

I volunteered for Citizens for Trump to do conduct a exit polling in Florida along with Stop the Steal (Roger Stone's organization) and unfortunately, we won't be able to do any exit polling on election day.

The app that was supposed to conduct the exit poll won't be ready before election day.

This means that there won't be any independent exit polling on election day.

Let's hope he wins in a landslide

You don't need to use an app. Get out a paper and pen, like they used to do.
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(11-03-2016 03:05 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  I occasionally Skype chat with an Australian girl who is reasonably attractive, smart at psychology, and not crazy. (Rare combo.)

So I'm explaining shitposting and how difficult it is, because you have to know how to hurt people, and learn how not to care when you're hurting people. Empathy without empathy.

She says, "Psychologically speaking, that's psychopathy!"

And I'm thinking to myself, "Yeah it is." while imagining my favorite Trump smiley face.

Where does skyping a hot chick land you on Vox Day's hierarchy?

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