Post: #51

(04-13-2015 07:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  But there's really no point in building your health, fitness game, bank roll for the express purpose of attracting women.

Do that shit for YOURSELF.

If she's attracted to that shit, you're in trouble.

You want her attracted to your dick and your personality, not the easy and fashionable life that she could live with you.

WIA

+1 - This is the response that needed badly to be heard here.

I'd also go as far as saying if she doesn't want sex as much as you do, or harps about your personality, but doesn't seem to want you for the superficial stuff, you're still in trouble down the road with a girl.

Post: #52

^ Haha yes.

Two clear rules:

1) She loves to fuck you
2) She loves genuinely laughing at your jokes and teasing

I think those are the two clearest indicators you can measure how much a girl is into you in a positive way for the long haul. Life is much easier with good sex and laughter.

Post: #53

IKE made some good points, and asked good questions.

I think a lot of you missed the mark though.

You say "You can't or shouldn't want an intelligent girl". WTF?

Why not?

Several people mentioned Hillary Clinton as an example of an "Intelligent" woman.

First off, Hillary is retarded. She's incompetent. Yes, she's accomplished, yes she went to a prestigious school, but that's not how I measure intelligence.

What good is your 150 IQ if you can't figure out how to parallel park?

That's a silly example, but I think you get my point.

There are MANY different aspects to intelligence: "Book" smarts, i.e. ability to memorize facts (what most of the posters here seem to be referring to when mentioning intelligence) "Common sense", these are life skills like being able to budget, knowing how to drive, using logic to figure out basic things like when something doesn't fit, etc. Then there is "Cleverness", this is the more advanced common sense, things like knowing how to lie or tell when someone is lying, knowing how to hide things from people, figuring out complex things, etc. There's "Social Intelligence": This is when you know when someone is upset, when they're uncomfortable with the topic, etc etc. Then there's "Philosophical Intelligence", this is when someone is capable of discussing the deeper meaning of things, think Socrates or discussing the damage that ideologies like Feminism cause to the Nuclear family, etc etc.

I'm not trying to claim that this is an exhaustive list, only to point out that there are MANY different aspects of intelligence, and a girl who went to Harvard Law school and graduated with honors is not necessarily intelligent in all areas as listed above. In fact, I've met MANY women who went to prestigious universities and graduated with Masters or Doctorates who, outside of their field of specialty, were as dumb as rocks. Some of them didn't even have basic life skills.

Saying "You shouldn't want to date intelligent women" simply because career lawyer women are 99% of the time basketcase feminists who hate men is really naive. You can't just name one type of "intelligent" woman and then broadly state that all intelligent women are undesirable.

Personally, I've had 3 LTR's in my life: The first was small town virgin, I banged her and dated her for 18 months. She worshiped the ground I walked on but I couldn't have a discussion about anything deeper than the episode of Family Guy that was on last night. She was very nurturing, affectionate, compassionate, loyal, loving, etc etc etc. Would have made and excellent wife and mother. But I could not get over how stupid she was. For me, I NEED intellectual conversation to really connect and bond with someone. I'm a very deep person by nature, and if I can't connect with someone intellectually, there will always be a hole in the relationship.

The second girl I dated was smarter than I was in some ways. I met her the summer she graduated high school. She was going to Princeton in the fall. I used to call her my "Cocktail party Girlfriend" because no matter what the subject, she always knew something about it and was able to make intelligent conversation about any topic that was brought up. BUT she was also a feminist. She participated in several "Slut Walks". I tried to discuss with her how counter-productive dressing like a whore while demanding men respect you is, and it completely went over her head. She has the "book smarts" but no "common sense". Needless to say, that relationship ended in a ball of flames.

The most recent girl I dated dropped out of community college. She didn't know all kinds of interesting facts about things. But she was very capable of understanding deep topics and discussing philosophical things. I even brought up many red-pill things with her, and on more than one occasion, discussed Roosh's blog posts. She rejected feminism, and understood the logic of rep-pill wisdom. Ultimately, that relationship ended because I wouldn't marry her.

I'm sure someone else can expound upon the discussion of the many aspects of intelligence and state it more clearly than myself. Please feel free to do so.

Post: #54

(04-13-2015 07:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 04:32 AM)Redwood Wrote:  no. i'm a firm believer that we are not asking or expecting more out of them. that is the problem, and that problem is the reason why they are expecting more from us.

that is why building up your lifestyle and tightening your game up is important for us.

That's that GQ/Conventional man's game.

Look sharp
Get fit
make money.

There are plenty of places all over the world, where men have their shit together and women do not rise to the occassion

San Francisco
Toronto
Washington DC

Lots of places where you see good looking, fit, well dressed, well coiffed and groomed, well off guys with harpies for girlfriends. Everyday I see that on public transportation. Some dude being henpecked by a chick he shouldn't have looked at twice.

And these guys expect these women to be at least be some what sweet and nice. They've given up on domestic skills.

Rarely do they get that. They get sarcastic chicks that love the sound of their own voices.

IKE is not dealing with what we're dealing with in the West, and his post is about some other shit.

But there's really no point in building your health, fitness game, bank roll for the express purpose of attracting women.

Do that shit for YOURSELF.

If she's attracted to that shit, you're in trouble.

You want her attracted to your dick and your personality, not the easy and fashionable life that she could live with you.

WIA

Still, if you read books like Sperm Wars by Robin Baker, you will see that there is a thin line between a girl attracted to your dick and personality and attracted to your bankroll and easy life.

I am 'wrestling' with this issues a bit myself, but it many cases, personality and money can become intertwined as a go-getter mentality and money go hand in hand. In other words, having humor or being charming can as much be part of your personality as being successful.

Money comes as a byproduct of that successful lifestyle but let's be honest many enter the successful lifestyle for the money.

There is a thin line between a gold digger and a normal healthy female behavior who looks for a father that can provide for the children, which is indicated by money and status.

Post: #55

Perhaps I live a charmed (or cursed) life, but the guys I see with bad chicks aren't rolling in it.

Whereas I know lots of guys that are 6 figures, (when average income in America is 5 figures) and the money doesn't do a damn thing to get them pussy.

If a chick is out for dollars, and is willing to trade on her sexuality, even a mediocre chick can hit pay dirt.

BUT that's never how real life plays out. Chicks typically don't get conscious about the dollars until their time is up.

Her perfect life that started when puberty hit is coming to a close, and you see these broads scrambling to cash in before it's too late. And when they do, they're unhappy. You don't need to be "alpha" to make bank. (See Silicon Valley).

And that's the cute chicks. The not so cute ones still get offers, but they'd rather chance it on school and work. Those are the ones I work with.

So this money thing that guys struggle with, IN TERMS OF GIRLS, is not that kind of issue.

Having it, isn't the panacea that guys think it will be.

Pursuing it non stop is a sure way to trade your youth for something you might not get. (Most don't get it. Most are in the wrong field. )

When girls get it, pretty via marriage(or divorce) or not pretty - they aren't content either.

Despite all the evidence around guys, they're still very stuck in the matrix.

My 350k salary will be spent better!
My great career will bring women in.
Oh, I'll learn female behavior and psychology later...

Most of those killer pads in lower Manhattan are empty most of the day. Netflix, delivered food, tied to a digital leash, tied down by lots of stuff.

Maybe they like that life, I know I did, then.

But the direct cash deposits didn't also send over bitches. A chick fucking white collar dudes on the regular doesn't see sushi as special. She got ideas on how to spend *your* money.

"Let's take a trip"

You can get the chicks without the checks, it's better that way.

WIA

Post: #56

Amen WIA

"You can get chicks without checks, it's better that way."

Quoteworthy.

Post: #57

I like it when a chick is attracted to my bank roll. If she's not after a better life, then I find it hard to respect her. Plus, having something that she wants gives me another source of power. I also don't have a problem with bankrolling a girl's flight to go on vacation with me.

I have to admit that making money has definitely made it easier for me to get the girls that I desire into bed. In some senses, the high-earner is today's skilled hunter. Simply being able to produce is in itself an attractive quality, even if you don't spend a dime on a woman. Plus, it costs money to travel, go out, etc, which is the lifestyle that I enjoy.

My real question here is, f you're going to the places that you want to visit, staying in the places where you like to stay, and paying for an attractive woman to join you, is that you being used? Or is that just enjoying the fruits of your career?

Post: #58

polymath:

I think that question is answered when you figure out the following one:

Would this girl still be fucking me if I didn't have all this money?

If the answer is yes, you're enjoying the fruits of your career. If "no" she's a hooker without the title.

Post: #59

(10-15-2016 02:46 PM)polymath Wrote:  I like it when a chick is attracted to my bank roll. If she's not after a better life, then I find it hard to respect her. Plus, having something that she wants gives me another source of power. I also don't have a problem with bankrolling a girl's flight to go on vacation with me.

I have to admit that making money has definitely made it easier for me to get the girls that I desire into bed. In some senses, the high-earner is today's skilled hunter. Simply being able to produce is in itself an attractive quality, even if you don't spend a dime on a woman. Plus, it costs money to travel, go out, etc, which is the lifestyle that I enjoy.

My real question here is, f you're going to the places that you want to visit, staying in the places where you like to stay, and paying for an attractive woman to join you, is that you being used? Or is that just enjoying the fruits of your career?

On the one hand, I agree you need a bank roll to enjoy the finer things in life. On the other hand, the guys I know that have pulled the most girls were on the lower spectrum of income. They were natural gamers and the lack of money did not affect their ability to consistently pull top tier talent.

As far as paying for woman's travel. I am fine with that as long as the following is true.

1) I have already hit it. If you have not hit it already, changing the zip code or country code will not guarantee that you will. To many friends have found that out the hard way!

2) The destination is one that I already planned to visit. I would go to this destination with or without her. The frame is she is joining me on my vacation. Not that I am trying to impress her by taking her to (random exotic locale).

3)This is not a random chick. I am either in a LTR or I see strong LTR potential.

Post: #60

I have been pondering on rh

Post: #61

(10-14-2016 07:56 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Pursuing it non stop is a sure way to trade your youth for something you might not get. (Most don't get it. Most are in the wrong field. )

When girls get it, pretty via marriage(or divorce) or not pretty - they aren't content either.

Despite all the evidence around guys, they're still very stuck in the matrix.

My 350k salary will be spent better!
My great career will bring women in.
Oh, I'll learn female behavior and psychology later...

Most of those killer pads in lower Manhattan are empty most of the day. Netflix, delivered food, tied to a digital leash, tied down by lots of stuff.

Maybe they like that life, I know I did, then.

But the direct cash deposits didn't also send over bitches. A chick fucking white collar dudes on the regular doesn't see sushi as special. She got ideas on how to spend *your* money.

"Let's take a trip"

You can get the chicks without the checks, it's better that way.

WIA

Although I don't want to go in the M.O.B debate as in this great topic /thread-2303.html ; this is still a reaction on the post by WIA, so relevant here.

I am not talking about trading your youth away for 350k later, and I won't dispute what you wrote. However, I'm not talking about 6 figures, but I am talking about the hypothetical situation that your daddy makes 8 figures.

Where I am from, there is a list of the 500 richest people in the country. Starts with +- 50 million euro net worth in the lower ranks, but easily 100M+ or multiple 100M euros in the middle and higher ranks.

If your daddy is on that list many people in your social circles will know that at some point, and this will obviously bring status. You still have to behave accordingly as excessive flaunting can be as bad as excessive downplaying, but don't tell me that that doesn't help!

Of course if you are a total retard with no sense of style and sense of begin social it still doesn't help too much.

Post: #62

^^^
I wish G were here to chime in about Donald Trump, Jr. I may or may not know something about that topic.

Post: #63

(10-16-2016 03:37 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  ^^^
I wish G were here to chime in about Donald Trump, Jr. I may or may not know something about that topic.

I have a friend who is basically a billionaire kid with a hot high class Eastern European girlfriend, and that says enough to me.

Just my feeling with that guy, I know my point might be easy to counter because obviously someone here also will have a hot Russian or whatever girlfriend. But he is not a 'travel and game guy' in that sense.

Post: #64

One thing I've realized is that intelligence in women is extremely overrated. Whats most important is loyalty, trust, love, and caring.

The problem is a lot of them that are "intelligent" in the sense that they think they are smarter than they really are. As a result she thinks everything she says is interesting and important and won't shut the fuck up. Add a bit of feminist bulldog empowerment and she may also constantly challenge you thinking she knows better about every little thing. On the other hand a girl who is dumb as fuck is even worse because their limited mental faculties will constantly be an irritating burden.

For me she needs to be smart enough on a basic level to not be annoyingly retarded but she doesn't have to be a first class intellectual. Remember you will also be trusting this person with the care of your children and she needs to be capable enough to make good decisions in that regard.

It sounds like while your girl may not be at your level intellectually she is the kind who will really take care of you. The title of the thread is apt because sometimes I think we do expect too much from women. Remember that your woman is not the center of your life, she is a complement to your life and should be helping you to achieve your goals. In this respect, a woman who takes care of you, takes care of the home and children, and makes you feel warm and loved when you are done your daily warfare outside (i.e. work) is extremely valuable.

Most important is unfailing ride or die loyalty. Will she be there and have your back when you are at your worst? Or will she be seeing the lawyer and scheming how to pick the remaining meat off of your bones?

What you need to figure out is what you need from her and what you don't need from her. Do you really need someone you can debate politics and astrophysics with? What parts of your life does she complement? What parts of your life does she not? For those parts where shes lacking, do you need this from your woman? Personally, if I want high minded intellectual talk I'll go to another man. A woman who takes care of everything at home and keeps me fed and cared for better enables me to do my important work.

I also think maybe you need to dial back on the shit testing a bit. If you beat her up physically, the correct response to this "shit test" would be to leave your dumb abusive ass. Its mandatory to shit test girls heavily for LTR credentials if you don't want to end up miserable. That being said I'm starting to wonder at this point if your continued testing is really about learning more about her or just insecure you trying to find any excuse for yourself to get out?

Post: #65

The way the world is now, yes. You can't expect a girl to not get an education, or go out with her friends, and have sex with guys and so on and so forth. The only gripe I have is that the more time progresses, the worse it will get. The culture will not revert back to what it was in the past. It's just not possible. Acknowledge this and continue your search with a hell of a lot more cynicism, just like the rest of us.

Post: #66

Sikh:

Yes, you can expect a woman to be better than average. If you accept and put up with crap, that's what you'll get.

Don't assume that the men of this forum are just taking what we can get. Western women may be shit, but they don't have a monopoly on pussy.

Post: #67

(10-16-2016 03:33 PM)Lime Wrote:  Where I am from, there is a list of the 500 richest people in the country. Starts with +- 50 million euro net worth in the lower ranks, but easily 100M+ or multiple 100M euros in the middle and higher ranks.

If your daddy is on that list many people in your social circles will know that at some point, and this will obviously bring status. You still have to behave accordingly as excessive flaunting can be as bad as excessive downplaying, but don't tell me that that doesn't help!

Of course if you are a total retard with no sense of style and sense of begin social it still doesn't help too much.

Put little rich bitch in a foam party dance floor in Ibiza.

CAN HE PULL?

That loud ass shit, everyone not thinking, can't even talk - Can Little Rich Bitch use Daddy's money to get a bitch?

Fuck no. The money doesn't mean shit when everyone is rolling on drugs.
Prime pussy is not impressed by money.

He needs game. He needs to give her "the feels".

WIA

Post: #68

(10-16-2016 07:43 PM)forever_beta Wrote:  One thing I've realized is that intelligence in women is extremely overrated. Whats most important is loyalty, trust, love, and caring.

The problem is a lot of them that are "intelligent" in the sense that they think they are smarter than they really are.

Not only is it over rated, it's over measured. A bitch who's not a complete retard always gets credit for being "so smart" when in fact they're very often to the left of the bell curve when compared on an even scale to men.

Blue pill types always look for traits that are good 'on paper'. They call it having something 'in common'. They fail to understand opposites attract.

Post: #69

(10-17-2016 12:13 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-16-2016 03:33 PM)Lime Wrote:  Where I am from, there is a list of the 500 richest people in the country. Starts with +- 50 million euro net worth in the lower ranks, but easily 100M+ or multiple 100M euros in the middle and higher ranks.

If your daddy is on that list many people in your social circles will know that at some point, and this will obviously bring status. You still have to behave accordingly as excessive flaunting can be as bad as excessive downplaying, but don't tell me that that doesn't help!

Of course if you are a total retard with no sense of style and sense of begin social it still doesn't help too much.

Put little rich bitch in a foam party dance floor in Ibiza.

CAN HE PULL?

That loud ass shit, everyone not thinking, can't even talk - Can Little Rich Bitch use Daddy's money to get a bitch?

Fuck no. The money doesn't mean shit when everyone is rolling on drugs.
Prime pussy is not impressed by money.

He needs game. He needs to give her "the feels".

WIA

In some cases guys use family money to operate a party concept or a record label or whatever and master nightlife that way.

About the particular guy I talked about, I started scrolling through his Facebook and it looks like they bring their own group of hot female friends/girlfriends to Ibiza. Of course this can help with attracting new girls. He isn't a night club girl slayer, I wouldn't say he has good game nor a high notch count but he attracts very high quality women at home and I just think it is partly attributed to the status money can bring.

And yes plenty of loser Little Rich Bitches in the world as well.

Post: #70

(10-15-2016 05:21 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  polymath:

I think that question is answered when you figure out the following one:

Would this girl still be fucking me if I didn't have all this money?

If the answer is yes, you're enjoying the fruits of your career. If "no" she's a hooker without the title.

To be candid, I think the above mentality falls in the "RVF echo chamber" category.

I respect a man who hustles in business and gets results. Why, then, can't I appreciate a woman who gets turned on when she meets that man?

I believe that your woman affects your goals, because the drive to get and keep her becomes part of your objective function. I want to be successful and make a ton of money. If I am with a woman who is attracted to me in part because I produce, then my desire to produce will be reinforced. Not only will I want money and prestige because of me, but I will also want money and prestige because of her.

Let me paint you a picture of how this plays out, using a real-life example. The object of desire is not always "money" but will often be something that money can buy.

I go on a trip, and I post a picture of a French landmark to my Instagram. A girl I haven't heard from in over a year sends me a DM and says "are you traveling across Europe rn?" Clearly, the fact that I am vacationing abroad is the trigger for her message. We message each other off and on for several days, which leads to one of us visiting the other a month later.

Any sane person knows that money buys vacations. But, I find it very difficult to call a girl a hooker because she wants to travel. I mean, shit, I want to travel too!

So, I disagree with the idea that a woman is a hooker just because she would not be fucking me if I were broke. Being broke is usually not just a situation; it also reflects a mentality and a lifestyle.

Post: #71

(10-17-2016 01:35 PM)polymath Wrote:  I believe that your woman affects your goals, because the drive to get and keep her becomes part of your objective function. I want to be successful and make a ton of money. If I am with a woman who is attracted to me in part because I produce, then my desire to produce will be reinforced. Not only will I want money and prestige because of me, but I will also want money and prestige because of her.

Let me paint you a picture of how this plays out, using a real-life example. The object of desire is not always "money" but will often be something that money can buy.

So, I disagree with the idea that a woman is a hooker just because she would not be fucking me if I were broke. Being broke is usually not just a situation; it also reflects a mentality and a lifestyle.

polymath:

With all due respect, the problem with your thinking is that you're using a straw-man argument.

You essentially stated that you're either rich or "broke".

You completely ignore that there is a wide spectrum between Donald Trump and Homeless Bum.

You also implied that only rich people can afford to take vacations. I assure you, this is not the case.

It's fine that you're using your money to attract women. I'm not judging you. I don't think anyone here is. But I'll say it again:

If you weren't wealthy: Would you still be able to bang these girls? Would you be able to do it on an income of say, 50k a year?
If not, then they are whores.

(Note that the above figure changes if you're in say, NYC.)

It's really that simple. It's fine that you like women who are attracted to wealth. I'm very happy you're successful, and glad you're able to bang more women due to your money. But who YOU are, WITHOUT all the bells and whistles, without the fat wallet, can THAT MAN pull quality women? If the answer is no, I suggest you do some introspection and figure out why that is.

Post: #72

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  If you weren't wealthy: Would you still be able to bang these girls? Would you be able to do it on an income of say, 50k a year?
If not, then they are whores.

^^ Seems a little strident, no?

On 50k a year, I wouldn't be spending a large chunk of my budget on trips abroad, or buying nice clothes that make me look good. Those two things would affect the women I meet, and the impression I make when I meet them.

To me, it doesn't seem sensible to call women whores when they are attracted to men who have things of value. Women are attracted to successful men who live well. Like I said before, It's not necessarily the money that attracts them. As with all game, it's the aura and the feeling they get.

Having a strong bank roll shows that you have drive and can make things happen. It allows you to be spontaneous, instead of planning everything in advance. Money buys fun, it buys travel, and it buys peace of mind...many things that are healthy and desirable in the lifestyle of a partner. Not to mention that wealth will generally grant higher social standing to a man, and by extension the women in his life.

We live in a world where money has externalities that reach all corners of our lives. It's wise to accept this as a fact.

Post: #73

^polymath is spot on.

Of course the money and succes isnt portable to every nightgame setting. But they still work:

A great example: in a corporate setting I've seen high ranked men in their 50s attract girls in their 20s and 30s 'partly' because of their status in the company.

Post: #74

(10-20-2016 03:24 PM)polymath Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  If you weren't wealthy: Would you still be able to bang these girls? Would you be able to do it on an income of say, 50k a year?
If not, then they are whores.

^^ Seems a little strident, no?

On 50k a year, I wouldn't be spending a large chunk of my budget on trips abroad, or buying nice clothes that make me look good. Those two things would affect the women I meet, and the impression I make when I meet them.

To me, it doesn't seem sensible to call women whores when they are attracted to men who have things of value. Women are attracted to successful men who live well. Like I said before, It's not necessarily the money that attracts them. As with all game, it's the aura and the feeling they get.

Having a strong bank roll shows that you have drive and can make things happen. It allows you to be spontaneous, instead of planning everything in advance. Money buys fun, it buys travel, and it buys peace of mind...many things that are healthy and desirable in the lifestyle of a partner. Not to mention that wealth will generally grant higher social standing to a man, and by extension the women in his life.

We live in a world where money has externalities that reach all corners of our lives. It's wise to accept this as a fact.

If you're unable to buy nice clothes and take nice trips with 50k a year in income, I'm afraid you're not very good at budgeting.

You don't need 6 figures to live a nice lifestyle. Trust me, I've done it.

You're trying to turn this into mumbo jumbo "aura". My "aura" is my game. I don't need money to have a confident, successful aura. If you're buying broads flights and vacations to get them to sleep with you, it's not game. Sorry. Like I said, if you can't sleep with these girls WITHOUT shelling out money, it's just prostitution.

I agree, money can make things EASIER, but from the way you make it sound, if you didn't have the $$$, you couldn't get these girls. That means they aren't with you because they like your game----they like the $$$$.

Perhaps I'm getting the wrong impression. Just calling it like I see it. Like I said---nothing wrong with using your wealth to attract women. Just recognize the difference between chicks who like money, and chicks who are into you because of good game.

Post: #75

(10-20-2016 07:26 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 03:24 PM)polymath Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  If you weren't wealthy: Would you still be able to bang these girls? Would you be able to do it on an income of say, 50k a year?
If not, then they are whores.

^^ Seems a little strident, no?

On 50k a year, I wouldn't be spending a large chunk of my budget on trips abroad, or buying nice clothes that make me look good. Those two things would affect the women I meet, and the impression I make when I meet them.

To me, it doesn't seem sensible to call women whores when they are attracted to men who have things of value. Women are attracted to successful men who live well. Like I said before, It's not necessarily the money that attracts them. As with all game, it's the aura and the feeling they get.

Having a strong bank roll shows that you have drive and can make things happen. It allows you to be spontaneous, instead of planning everything in advance. Money buys fun, it buys travel, and it buys peace of mind...many things that are healthy and desirable in the lifestyle of a partner. Not to mention that wealth will generally grant higher social standing to a man, and by extension the women in his life.

We live in a world where money has externalities that reach all corners of our lives. It's wise to accept this as a fact.

If you're unable to buy nice clothes and take nice trips with 50k a year in income, I'm afraid you're not very good at budgeting.

You don't need 6 figures to live a nice lifestyle. Trust me, I've done it.

You're trying to turn this into mumbo jumbo "aura". My "aura" is my game. I don't need money to have a confident, successful aura. If you're buying broads flights and vacations to get them to sleep with you, it's not game. Sorry. Like I said, if you can't sleep with these girls WITHOUT shelling out money, it's just prostitution.

I agree, money can make things EASIER, but from the way you make it sound, if you didn't have the $$$, you couldn't get these girls. That means they aren't with you because they like your game----they like the $$$$.

Perhaps I'm getting the wrong impression. Just calling it like I see it. Like I said---nothing wrong with using your wealth to attract women. Just recognize the difference between chicks who like money, and chicks who are into you because of good game.

I cite Robin Baker (Sperm Wars, p. 150):

"There is a fascinating consequence of the criteria women use for mate selection - particularly their preference for, and greater fidelity to, men of wealth and status. The sons of such men achieve greater reproductive success than their lower-status contemporaries. They do this not only through their long-term relationships, but also because they have the same above-average opportunities to sire children with the partners of other men as did their fathers".

It is not about 'being a whore' or 'attracted to money', it is just a very primal reaction of women to money.

And by the way -my conception of game is not necessarily one's ability of pan handling for girls in a foam party -not that no skill is involved there, but there are many more ways of getting girls as you all might know.

And by the way, there is a difference in richness between 6 figures while still having a corporate job and no free time and 7/8 figures while having an own business and lot's of flexibility of time and time to meet girls.