(10-05-2016 01:08 PM)Fisto Wrote: Why is it "folly" to think Assange may deliver?
The way he was hemming and hawing and jerking himself off on that stream just tells me he can't be trusted, that he has nothing left to offer or was bought off.
I agree. The way these things work is that we never find out. But something was off with Assange and you have to assume some serious shit was going down behind the scenes.
(10-05-2016 01:08 PM)Fisto Wrote: Why is it "folly" to think Assange may deliver?
The way he was hemming and hawing and jerking himself off on that stream just tells me he can't be trusted, that he has nothing left to offer or was bought off.
I agree. The way these things work is that we never find out. But something was off with Assange and you have to assume some serious shit was going down behind the scenes.
Assange & WikiLeaks have been delivering for 10 years and for that decade he's railed against the system. Now it's personal. Have a little more faith.
(10-05-2016 01:55 PM)kosko Wrote: Why people praise Trump for running a ruse at his DC hotel for press but shame Assange for doing the same thing with his book?
Same thing if you ask me.
Marketing gods want your attention and time to push you product. They don't care if you are happy or mad with that exchange after the fact.
People just butt hurt they had to waste time watching Assange verbally stroke himself. Why you fall for the scam like that? I didn't watch that shit, no point.
Assange always drops massive files that you have to wait for media or sties to comb through anyhow. The headline is never from them aside from a tweet or something, it is always from the media or sites that comb through it and find the goodies.
He wouldn't ruse like this if he had nothing. I don't think it will be as big and massive as he claims but I think he will come through.
With the rapid news cycle why drop something now? Media will play games and try to roll over it quickly. We still have 4 weeks. Best timing would be just before the last debate or 2 weeks to the election cycle to provide her with no ability to save herself.
There is something to that.
No doubt Julian saw that and probably thought to himself, maybe I should pay him back for that. If there is one thing I have learned about journalists over the years, is that they are very vindictive if you fuck with them or their colleagues. Look at NFL and NBA players for example. Anytime a player gets cross with a reporter, they all swarm him with bad press for a week. Every talking head on TV and radio sides with the reporter, no matter how disrespectful his or her questions were. Usually in the end the players either end up apologizing or losing endorsement opportunities or both. Worse, they get destroyed on media forever, permanently. I warned about this when Trump pulled this stunt back when he did it. MSM hasn't said anything decent about him ever since and now Julian is trolling his supporters.
I have really good friends that after college went that route and it is like their brains are washed. Hard to talk about media biases of their station or paper with them, got to the point to where that is virtually the only topic we cannot discuss without a fight. When guys like Jim Rome, who happens to be Jewish and one of the major ones that will attack players that lash out, is telling younger players to never attack the press in the form of advice, that speaks for itself.
If Obama is the "Combo Breaker" (from Killer Instinct), Trump if he wins, will be the "Limit Break" from Final Fantasy. His entire presidency may involve fighting the press the entire time. That is uncharted territory. We have never had a president like this before and it will be interesting to see from a scientific perspective, if he can still use media effectively to push his agendas, even if they are out for his blood. Obama was the first president to utilize the Social Media to ascend and pull in young voters. Trump so far has fully utilized it to the max. It's looking like Social Media will be far more important in the future than we all realized years ago.
I'm not convinced Trump's fights with the MSM really changes the game for the future either. He may be the first and the last that will ever be able to play with them like this and get away with it. That's incredible and makes him far more special or unique as a person when you think about it.
(10-06-2016 08:20 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: I'm not convinced Trump's fights with the MSM really changes the game for the future either. He may be the first and the last that will ever be able to play with them like this and get away with it. That's incredible and makes him far more special or unique as a person when you think about it.
I truly perceive what has been going on as media desperation. If he's elected, the dam could totally wipe them out.
NYTimes and all those other rags have been hemorrhaging money due to online competition for years now. They've been hiring a lot of groupthinking millenials that cannot think out of their hugbox.
However, there is the generation coming after them that is going to be a total wildcard. If they see Trump stick it to these people, like he has been, they will not forget.
I'll say it again: This isn't about Trump. This is about the movement he represents. That movement could die with a Hillary election, or get ignited amongst the youth and get more crazy. With him elected, at least there will be some stable leadership. Without him, it could be a powder keg.
When alt media really starts gaining traction, it's going to head off in its own direction. It could even start going against the faults of a Trump presidency.
(10-06-2016 08:29 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote: ...
I'll say it again: This isn't about Trump. This is about the movement he represents. That movement could die with a Hillary election, or get ignited amongst the youth and get more crazy. With him elected, at least there will be some stable leadership. Without him, it could be a powder keg.
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I see the legacy media as being the first to start getting ventilated if Hillary steals the election. They are at the apex of being both treasonous AND lightly guarded.
We might see reporters being shot on street corners and anchors being gunned down in their driveways. It absolutely could happen, particularly if Hillary were to censor alternate media and cause sites like Breitbart and Zero Hedge to go dark.
The reality is that most Western journalists and their support staff are pampered college bitches with zero backbone. It wouldn't take many body bags to cause them to rethink their career choices en-masse or start reporting a little more honestly in order to drop themselves down on the "to do" list of motivated patriots.
(10-05-2016 01:08 PM)Fisto Wrote: Why is it "folly" to think Assange may deliver?
Hasn't he always delivered up to this point?
You keep saying that the people voting for Clinton are going to no matter what.
You are missing other KEY things about damaging leaks to Clinton.
When more evidence that she's horribly corrupt surfaces it causes her supporters to question whether they REALLY want to vote for her. Others are fatigued from having to defend her stale policies and corruption.
The net result is these people stay home.
They may say they'll vote for her on FB but showing up to the booth is another story.
Telling everyone on the forum who is holding out that Assange will deliver to "get the fuck outta here" is overboard don't you think?
Assange might deliver "something" but it could easily be worthless. One of his major "leaks" this year was after he released the DNC letters. It was a lot of DNC voicemails that didn't have fuck all on them, it was more like "haha, fooled you, i made you listen to voicemails that don't have anything incriminating on them!"
The DNC emails talking about rigging the election against Bernie were solid though. Wikileaks is hit and miss at best
I look at recent history and can only be reassured.
The DNC leaks were timed perfectly - to the exact day - to cause maximum chaos for the Dems during their convention week.
The most damaging date to release a potential bombshell against Hillary is still two, maybe even three weeks away.
It ideally needs to come out before the third and final debate. Or within ten days of the election. It depends on the nature of the material and how it can be spun by her.
(10-06-2016 10:53 AM)Tigre Wrote: I look at recent history and can only be reassured.
The DNC leaks were timed perfectly - to the exact day - to cause maximum chaos for the Dems during their convention week.
The most damaging date to release a potential bombshell against Hillary is still two, maybe even three weeks away.
It ideally needs to come out before the third and final debate. Or within ten days of the election. It depends on the nature of the material and how it can be spun by her.
I'm not optimistic about Wikileaks, but to play Devil's advocate. If they do have information, now's not the right time to release.... There is a very real chance that the Town Hall debate is rigged. The moderators are blatantly biased, but what's more, the audience could be shills. To release before then could waste the information.
Realistically, around the third debate, with the Republican moderator, who isn't a Trump fan, but has stated he isn't there to fact check, is the best time to release the information. The Democrats have continually blown their load way too early, and it has cost them over and over again.
(10-06-2016 10:53 AM)Tigre Wrote: I look at recent history and can only be reassured.
The DNC leaks were timed perfectly - to the exact day - to cause maximum chaos for the Dems during their convention week.
The most damaging date to release a potential bombshell against Hillary is still two, maybe even three weeks away.
It ideally needs to come out before the third and final debate. Or within ten days of the election. It depends on the nature of the material and how it can be spun by her.
No, if you wait that long it's too late. There is already a record number of mail-in ballots being sent out for early/absentee voting, and there are estimates that 30-50% of the votes could already be cast by election day in swing states such as Florida, Ohio, Penn, etc.
The time is now. Anything past next week and much of the vote will already have been cast.
^ People will know I despise big and ubiquitous government, but how can it be legal under FEC rules and regs for a candidate to stage questions with an actor? What's the point of having an enormous bureaucracy to monitor Federal elections when Hillary just goes on with her daily frauds like she has every day for the past 30 years?
The main problem here is the MSM, the most troubling aspect of this story is their echo chamber coverage of the event, it's like they are part of her campaign, see the description in the Zero Hedge article above. She couldn't win without them.
Clinton acts like a person who is either 1: Completely oblivious or 2: Knows she will win through other means.
As for the media making short work of athletes. Athletes rely on image and can be burned easily. They're not businessmen for the most part and don't have a team or lawyers. They are also beholden to owners, teams and organisations who are political in nature.
Get accused of pimp slapping some bitch who was going to knife you? Game over son, hand in your shit and fuck off. The NFL doesn't want to put across a message that it supports women beaters.
Trump is beholden to nobody except his own values and the American people.
Trump knows the media, knows who runs the media, has a lot of lawyers and uses them well. He has a big ego, isn't afraid to let loose and he has proven to millions of normal Americans how their mis-trust is the MSM isn't just them being skeptical.
One candidate who has had a media presence for well over 3 decades as someone who is a businessman who loves the limelight, but all of a sudden becomes this hateful warmonger because he is fighting for America doesn't sit well with people who have at least a semblance of bullshit detection.
Add to that Trumps internet battalions who are almost untouchable. I dare say the NSA, CIA and FBI are watching closely as to how the net took charge of this election cycle on not just a national scale but worldwide.
(10-06-2016 05:37 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: Clinton acts like a person who is either 1: Completely oblivious or 2: Knows she will win through other means.
As for the media making short work of athletes. Athletes rely on image and can be burned easily. They're not businessmen for the most part and don't have a team or lawyers. They are also beholden to owners, teams and organisations who are political in nature.
Get accused of pimp slapping some bitch who was going to knife you? Game over son, hand in your shit and fuck off. The NFL doesn't want to put across a message that it supports women beaters.
Trump is beholden to nobody except his own values and the American people.
Trump knows the media, knows who runs the media, has a lot of lawyers and uses them well. He has a big ego, isn't afraid to let loose and he has proven to millions of normal Americans how their mis-trust is the MSM isn't just them being skeptical.
One candidate who has had a media presence for well over 3 decades as someone who is a businessman who loves the limelight, but all of a sudden becomes this hateful warmonger because he is fighting for America doesn't sit well with people who have at least a semblance of bullshit detection.
Add to that Trumps internet battalions who are almost untouchable. I dare say the NSA, CIA and FBI are watching closely as to how the net took charge of this election cycle on not just a national scale but worldwide.
An athlete has none of that.
That's what worries me, she's either complete deluded thinking that America will bow to her, or some massive fraud is coming, with the help of the of the entire mainstream media and institutions of the current government.
And now to capitalize on all the people watching the Weather Channel this week, Hurricane Hillary is buying commercials on the Weather Channel like crazy. Fuckin scumbags
(10-06-2016 08:29 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote: ...
I'll say it again: This isn't about Trump. This is about the movement he represents. That movement could die with a Hillary election, or get ignited amongst the youth and get more crazy. With him elected, at least there will be some stable leadership. Without him, it could be a powder keg.
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I see the legacy media as being the first to start getting ventilated if Hillary steals the election. They are at the apex of being both treasonous AND lightly guarded.
We might see reporters being shot on street corners and anchors being gunned down in their driveways. It absolutely could happen, particularly if Hillary were to censor alternate media and cause sites like Breitbart and Zero Hedge to go dark.
The reality is that most Western journalists and their support staff are pampered college bitches with zero backbone. It wouldn't take many body bags to cause them to rethink their career choices en-masse or start reporting a little more honestly in order to drop themselves down on the "to do" list of motivated patriots.
Just a thought.
Some similar thing almost happened in NY when one local newspaper made an interactive map of all gun owners:
Jeanine Pirro from Fox News being a former District Attorney has a gun and was also included in the map.
After the scandal the Newspaper was scared people might start killing their staff and hired lots of security to protect their building.
James O'keefe did some undercover job going to the newspaper staff homes.
It worth to watch.
So yeah, if Hillary steals the election (which is impossible to hide in modern times) journalists might start getting shoot around the country, and places the American people hate like Wall street will becomes war zones, mayors, governors, senators and politicians from different states will start to get attacked, remember the fence jumpers at the White House? imagine that but hundred at the same time many with guns. I do not think even the Secret service is ready for stuff like that.
They risk a civil war if they steals the election, Trump becomes a martyr on the eyes of the American people, when Americans get angry bad stuff happens.
Not even the Supreme Court would be able to fix it.
I've got a feeling that deep down Bill hates Hillary, and consciously or not, he's sabotaging the bitch, because at a deep level he just wants to fuck with her.
(10-06-2016 08:08 PM)Rush87 Wrote: I've got a feeling that deep down Bill hates Hillary, and consciously or not, he's sabotaging the bitch, because at a deep level he just wants to fuck with her.
Bill does not want to go down in history as the most emasculate man of the USA, he wont be remember as president but as the first president who become first "lady".
Is like having your wife makes you wear a apron to serve dinner for the family and friends.