Post: #26

@Realogist keeping it real.

Guys here are too caught up on a pretty face.

Post: #27

(09-21-2016 03:43 PM)Travesty Wrote:  I personally define good girls as:

+ A girl in the 7+ range
+ Modest & humble
+ Family is together
+ Likes her dad and has a good relationship
+ No tattoos, body piercings, crazy hair, STDs, cigarettes
+ Small to non-existent sexual history
+ Small to non-existent drug and alcohol habits and history
+ Wants children and a family at some point in the next 3-5 years
+ No guy friends that are sexual threats

Also for mine:

+ Thin and healthy. Could actually run for longer than I do (she is 40kg to my defense) Whip my ass to go to gym
+ Has a good heart and actually care for people

My girlfriend fits all of the criteria and more. The only infraction is that her parents are divorced but she love both of them and talk about both very fondly. She is also very caring and loving.

Having said that, here's my question to you: Do you think you would be compatible with a girl like this?

Because, assuming she has a healthy enough sense of self esteem to not succumb to those temptations above, you can throw that "she must not do x while I can do x because I'm a man and I keep frame and train my woman and walk on water". Women only allow men to do what they allow themselves to do.

-She will not appreciate alcohol and will not tolerate you drinking.

Luckily since mine is Parisian she does enjoy a glass of wine, but any time I concoct myself a fine cocktail she would start pestering me about how "classless" and harmful it is.

-She will not tolerate you having any lady friend or talking to any.

Provided she keeps her end of the bargain, she will expect you to keep yours. Do you really think you can keep your player life stowed away from her? Sometimes the drama cause so much headaches.

-Living a very sheltered life and having a rose-colored view of the world.

Ironically girls who are attractive and fit our LTR materials are so because their family and few close friends have been her world for all of her life. This ends up in her being clueless in how the world works, how cruel it can be, and how to properly do anything that has to do with social skills. This is a minor point though because since she's pretty, she will have stuffs handed to her on a plate her whole life ==> this is actually good if you wanna play her guiding figure in life.

-She expects you to dedicate a good chunk of time to her.

Because she's doing the same, and a self-respecting woman. You need to find a way to incorporate her into every aspect of your life (not that it's a bad thing)

-Emotionally immature.

I find this endearing but this is because I love drama myself and am still a romantic deep down. But I know a lot of guy can't stand this.

- You can't make her choose between her family and you

It took me sometimes to get to grip with this and this is actually a good thing, because when and if you become her family, you will be everything to her. For now she will still put her family first because she understand thats the most precious thing in the world. I respect and encourage that. A girl who can leave her family for you will also leave you for something else.

Know that a LTR material girl will probably be against a lot of what we enjoy doing as players. This is no issue when you are just gaming, but when you are settling down a lot of the non-issue become big problems.

Having said that, I wish you luck, because that's how I found her. You need screening, finding a niche, lots of effort, and a shit ton of luck. Because how else do you expect to find a high-quality LTR girl in a big city that doesn't have a crazy issue that prevents hundreds of betas to wife her up every waking moment?

Post: #28

Provo, Utah. They exist.

But be real. If you're looking for a wife, better be ready to throw the plates away. And convert to Mormonism.

Don't rush to look for a unicorn if you don't actually want one yet.

Post: #29

^ I wrote about Utah. Been to SLC twice I can't stand it even for the Mormon chicks. Too much, rather work on importing a girl and roll the dice than live in Utah. That place is twisted and depressing. LOL

I'm already Catholic and Catholic or Orthodox is a much nicer compromise of community obligation vs. the clannishness of Mormons (and the rules of conduct that are too much for my taste). No caffeine? Go fuck yourself Mormons.

Post: #30

(09-23-2016 06:49 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Check marks.

Yeah I check all those boxes fine.

Like Roosh wrote, I hit a wall where I thought my want for game would slowly go down, yet it just sort of crashed to nothing.

I get a thrill if my buddies want to go out and girls flirt, I don't feel the need to go out the next night though or the next weekend anymore. I never say to myself "Damn maybe if I went out 2 nights more a week or opened up my dusty old dating apps I could bang a few more dozen girls in no time! Why aren't I?"

Really the best game thrill I get nowadays is a girl I would put on the marry quality scale check me out during everyday life and approaching her.

Again though it still seems foreign girls would be way more agreeable to marry. This whole thing is more a testing ground which is nice, because I can experiment a lot.

Post: #31

(09-23-2016 11:01 AM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ I wrote about Utah. Been to SLC twice I can't stand it even for the Mormon chicks. Too much, rather work on importing a girl and roll the dice than live in Utah. That place is twisted and depressing. LOL

I'm already Catholic and Catholic or Orthodox is a much nicer compromise of community obligation vs. the clannishness of Mormons (and the rules of conduct that are too much for my taste). No caffeine? Go fuck yourself Mormons.

Interested to know which places you're targeting...?

I've said it before, and this view only gets stronger as the years go on... Russians (and Ukrainians, Belarussians) don't make good wives. They're a lot of fun, but marriage (and anything long-term, really) isn't valued highly enough in Russian culture.

Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and southern (Islamic) parts of Russia are better places, in my opinion. Terrible places for pump-and-dump, but good for loyal wives. You should be able to find English speakers in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan if that's important.

Maybe Iran and conservative and not wartorn parts of the middle east?

Post: #32

And to that I would add... if you're bringing a girl to another country, make sure she has plenty of conservative people to socialise with. Join church groups or something similar. If she gets bored, she'll start looking for friends, and in toxic societies 90% of women are sluts.

Post: #33

(09-23-2016 01:22 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:01 AM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ I wrote about Utah. Been to SLC twice I can't stand it even for the Mormon chicks. Too much, rather work on importing a girl and roll the dice than live in Utah. That place is twisted and depressing. LOL

I'm already Catholic and Catholic or Orthodox is a much nicer compromise of community obligation vs. the clannishness of Mormons (and the rules of conduct that are too much for my taste). No caffeine? Go fuck yourself Mormons.

Interested to know which places you're targeting...?

I've said it before, and this view only gets stronger as the years go on... Russians (and Ukrainians, Belarussians) don't make good wives. They're a lot of fun, but marriage (and anything long-term, really) isn't valued highly enough in Russian culture.

Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and southern (Islamic) parts of Russia are better places, in my opinion. Terrible places for pump-and-dump, but good for loyal wives. You should be able to find English speakers in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan if that's important.

Maybe Iran and conservative and not wartorn parts of the middle east?

There seems to be a growing consensus that Ukraine and Russia are not so great for finding a good wife and I guess EE is going that way.

Any ideas for countries where one could search for a good wife material who is caucasian and not of Islamic background?

Post: #34

(09-23-2016 06:33 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:22 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:01 AM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ I wrote about Utah. Been to SLC twice I can't stand it even for the Mormon chicks. Too much, rather work on importing a girl and roll the dice than live in Utah. That place is twisted and depressing. LOL

I'm already Catholic and Catholic or Orthodox is a much nicer compromise of community obligation vs. the clannishness of Mormons (and the rules of conduct that are too much for my taste). No caffeine? Go fuck yourself Mormons.

Interested to know which places you're targeting...?

I've said it before, and this view only gets stronger as the years go on... Russians (and Ukrainians, Belarussians) don't make good wives. They're a lot of fun, but marriage (and anything long-term, really) isn't valued highly enough in Russian culture.

Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and southern (Islamic) parts of Russia are better places, in my opinion. Terrible places for pump-and-dump, but good for loyal wives. You should be able to find English speakers in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan if that's important.

Maybe Iran and conservative and not wartorn parts of the middle east?

There seems to be a growing consensus that Ukraine and Russia are not so great for finding a good wife and I guess EE is going that way.

Any ideas for countries where one could search for a good wife material who is caucasian and not of Islamic background?

Armenia and Georgia are Christian countries.

Post: #35

[quote='DaveR' pid='1400671' dateline='1474654978']

Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and southern (Islamic) parts of Russia are better places, in my opinion.



What is the talent like in these three countries?

Post: #36

(09-23-2016 06:48 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 06:33 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:22 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:01 AM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ I wrote about Utah. Been to SLC twice I can't stand it even for the Mormon chicks. Too much, rather work on importing a girl and roll the dice than live in Utah. That place is twisted and depressing. LOL

I'm already Catholic and Catholic or Orthodox is a much nicer compromise of community obligation vs. the clannishness of Mormons (and the rules of conduct that are too much for my taste). No caffeine? Go fuck yourself Mormons.

Interested to know which places you're targeting...?

I've said it before, and this view only gets stronger as the years go on... Russians (and Ukrainians, Belarussians) don't make good wives. They're a lot of fun, but marriage (and anything long-term, really) isn't valued highly enough in Russian culture.

Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and southern (Islamic) parts of Russia are better places, in my opinion. Terrible places for pump-and-dump, but good for loyal wives. You should be able to find English speakers in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan if that's important.

Maybe Iran and conservative and not wartorn parts of the middle east?

There seems to be a growing consensus that Ukraine and Russia are not so great for finding a good wife and I guess EE is going that way.

Any ideas for countries where one could search for a good wife material who is caucasian and not of Islamic background?

Armenia and Georgia are Christian countries.

Are the women white, i.e. caucasian?

Post: #37

(09-23-2016 06:33 PM)robreke Wrote:  There seems to be a growing consensus that Ukraine and Russia are not so great for finding a good wife and I guess EE is going that way.

Any ideas for countries where one could search for a good wife material who is caucasian and not of Islamic background?

Glad to see others are coming to the same conclusion.

What do you mean by 'EE is going that way'... What part of it ever hasn't been full of sluts, with the possible exception of Slovakia? I think anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time in Poland realises that its Catholicism is mostly a facade.

As for other countries: Armenians and Georgias are Christians and very conservative. Maybe Lebanon, which is about 40% Christian.

I wouldn't be put off by a girl coming from a moderate Islamic background. Their women are very submissive anyway. May also be possible to convince her to convert. If you're planning on importing a wife from another country, her family won't be around most of the time. Should be ok as long as she doesn't dress in one of those ninja things. Also, they marry young... 18-19 is kind of late for them to still be single/not engaged.

Post: #38

(09-23-2016 06:56 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 06:48 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 06:33 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:22 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:01 AM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ I wrote about Utah. Been to SLC twice I can't stand it even for the Mormon chicks. Too much, rather work on importing a girl and roll the dice than live in Utah. That place is twisted and depressing. LOL

I'm already Catholic and Catholic or Orthodox is a much nicer compromise of community obligation vs. the clannishness of Mormons (and the rules of conduct that are too much for my taste). No caffeine? Go fuck yourself Mormons.

Interested to know which places you're targeting...?

I've said it before, and this view only gets stronger as the years go on... Russians (and Ukrainians, Belarussians) don't make good wives. They're a lot of fun, but marriage (and anything long-term, really) isn't valued highly enough in Russian culture.

Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and southern (Islamic) parts of Russia are better places, in my opinion. Terrible places for pump-and-dump, but good for loyal wives. You should be able to find English speakers in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan if that's important.

Maybe Iran and conservative and not wartorn parts of the middle east?

There seems to be a growing consensus that Ukraine and Russia are not so great for finding a good wife and I guess EE is going that way.

Any ideas for countries where one could search for a good wife material who is caucasian and not of Islamic background?

Armenia and Georgia are Christian countries.

Are the women white, i.e. caucasian?

Sure...they are from the Caucasus )))))

Answering to Dantes, I have never been in any of those countries/regions, but I have Armenians in high regard, all of the chicks I met or hooked up in Ukraine from there where really hot brunettes. As for Georgia, from experience of others, I know that quality is really below Ukraine, but there are stunners. I also think Vorkuta wrote about the place.

Post: #39

(09-23-2016 06:54 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:22 PM)DaveR Wrote:  Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and southern (Islamic) parts of Russia are better places, in my opinion.

What is the talent like in these three countries?

Armenia and Azerbaijan are good; the average is probably a point lower than Russia, so the largest cohort are 6s whereas in Russia it's probably 7s. Still a good place to go wife hunting, considering the cultural aspects. Georgia was a mixed bag for me.

Unlike Russians, they age all tend to age well, can cook properly, and seem to keep getting sexier until a bit later (into mid-20s; Russians tend to go downhill at about 22-23).

They're caucasians but quite dark, kind of like Greeks, although their looks are more Turkish/Iranian.

Post: #40

(09-23-2016 07:02 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Answering to Dantes, I have never been in any of those countries/regions, but I have Armenians in high regard, all of the chicks I met or hooked up in Ukraine from there where really hot brunettes. As for Georgia, from experience of others, I know that quality is really below Ukraine, but there are stunners. I also think Vorkuta wrote about the place.

I'm not sure why, but I find Armenians in Russia and Ukraine better than in their homeland. Could be some kind of selection bias as a result of mass population movements during their genocide - the ones with the ability to relocate were probably higher classes and therefore hotter. Or maybe I just have better luck finding them here.

Post: #41

So what happens when you find this chick that checks all the requisite boxes, are you cut out for the work involved and the inevitable changes to your lifestyle (and will you remain 100% faithful to her? - more on that later).

A lot of us are in the game for this very reason, test driving until we find what we think is the right "model", although we're ill equipped due to the lifestyle we've led up until that point to switch to care and maintenance mode in an LTR. Not just ensuring services are done on time but truly and genuinely investing your time and effort into the relationship to ensure that lustre is retained.

LTR's are a lot of work, and if you've found the high quality woman of your dreams there's no cruise control option. You can try it, sure, but you'll end up in a ditch.

In any relationship worth pursuing there will be arguments of varying ferocity. If you're not arguing on a semi-regular basis, I say the passion levels are lacking and she will be so supplicating as to eventually bore the shit out of you - a daily driver that never sees the redline. Suitable for the elderly, but not in your prime years.

I'm not talking about the nagging shrew here, but the type of woman that soaks your sheets because you dominated her in the bedroom as well as in the frame stakes when the occasion called for it. No, your aloof game won't cut it here.

If it's perceived as a big enough issue, in the past a particular argument may have been reason enough to eject from the situation (or hamster away that it is), moving on to another conquest, continuing the cycle of the bachelor. Rinse and repeat. Or maybe you stay and hold onto that grudge without addressing it, either way, the contempt will ensure the same result.

Over time that's something to weigh up, but isolated incidents are your chance to break-through and resolve, troubleshoot if you will, as you take your wrench to the inner workings of the machine to fine tune its performance. You come out the other side now more familiar with its handling, and most importantly, knowing what to do if the same issue ever arises again.

So now you're at the stage where you've put on 50,000 miles and whilst everything is going well, you still have an undeniable urge to drive another on the odd occasion on a tight and curvy road and through a hillside tunnel. Do you roll the dice and give into that urge?, because I guarantee, even if you're driving your dream car, the thrill of being in the cockpit of another won't really ever dissipate (at least not in your prime). There will always be newer models as the years roll on.

Therein lies the dilemma(s) we face as "former" players.

Post: #42

(09-21-2016 11:27 PM)britabroad Wrote:  +1 surely yoga girls have been through more cocks than the Bangkok Cockpit?

I'd agree but in western countries especially North American ones are generally the most spiritually broken women out of them all

Post: #43

Even though in decline, churches are still some of the few institutions in the West where people meet socially and extend their networks outside of work and where natural, social circle game can take place.

I went to one last Sunday morning and saw an abundance of attractive young women. One in particular who must have been in her very early 20s, had her engagement ring on and it was clear just how into her fiancé she was. I felt envious of the fiancé as he may go through life not knowing about the cock carousel, jaded women with 1000 cock stares and babies being torn from wombs and thrown into the furnace to stop the woman's SMV from collapsing.

I would caution men from a false sense of security that marrying a Christian woman means taking a lifelong marriage for granted. They'll still need game. Although divorce is theoretically less likely, divorce because of infidelity has Biblical grounds and many women who have already decided to monkey branch use porn as the adulterous loophole to invoke divorce.

I tried a Christian dating site but what I experienced there nearly put me over the MGTOW cliff. I was genuinely surprised to see just how many women are 'separated', in other words still married. Also as British women are generally, anti-religious, I received a lot of interest from immigrant women. If I was ever to sire children, I'd like them to look like my forefathers.

I predict that church might be the last chance saloon for many men wanting to marry and to contribute to a positive Western fertility rate on this forum.

Post: #44

Ok so what is the slut calculus on yoga classes held in a church basement?

Post: #45

(09-24-2016 02:39 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Ok so what is the slut calculus on yoga classes held in a church basement?

Depends on the church. Many churches teach against yoga owing to its origin with Hindu gods and the awakening of the kundalini.

From my travels, the churches with the most young women are Pentecostal/ charismatic and these churches would teach against the yogi.

Post: #46

(09-21-2016 03:43 PM)Travesty Wrote:  I am planning at some point in the near future to start incorporating things into my daily routine to get me closer to finding and dating good girls in general. I have been work focused lately and will stay that way to keep building toward location independence. In the meantime while I am in the U.S. though I am going to start crafting my life to run into more good girls.

I personally define good girls as:

+ A girl in the 7+ range
+ Modest & humble
+ Family is together
+ Likes her dad and has a good relationship
+ No tattoos, body piercings, crazy hair, STDs, cigarettes
+ Small to non-existent sexual history
+ Small to non-existent drug and alcohol habits and history
+ Wants children and a family at some point in the next 3-5 years
+ No guy friends that are sexual threats


I will plan to spend my time in this order as best I can while still getting work done:

1. Be committed to an Orthodox or Catholic church locally and join a weekly group to be involved and get to know the people (likely choir, music group, or Bible study)

2. Become a member of an international student/visitor group, language exchange and involve myself

3. Join a choir (I am bad at singing, love to do it, have been in one before with 100+ people lots of young pretty girls with no tatts etc... it takes commitment)

4. Join a yoga gym and join retreats, social gatherings etc..

5. Join an outdoor group or club with weekly activities

6. A volunteer organization (most likely with children or the elderly - girls that love animals more than humans are often nuts)

I think 1 and 2 are by far most important. Others I were considering was a book club, cooking club, or dancing studio. I think most of those will have less options, with older people

The worst feeling I have ever had in the world is going to a few dance classes and clubs with more men than women and you have to wait for a partner. Feels like the worst strip club imaginable. Tends to be the case around here.

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Things I have stopped doing and will continue to not do anymore:

1. Go out late and drink alcohol to try to get laid
2. No online game
3. No Couch Surfer slut visitors that waste a night or a whole weekend on my couch

I have also cut down day game drastically as I think it is a bit too random with all the experience I have had... plus I would like to give social circle and community a much bigger try especially as I age and this will most likely be the best route.

Day game can surprisingly take a large amount of time with dates that don't work since you are still dealing with complete strangers.

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I probably won't post much soon. Just had it on my mind today. Will use this as a sort of journal. I think even if I move abroad this will train me to get in a certain mindset to get involved with a community and hopefully meet the best girls they have to offer.

I warmly invite anyone to post their experiences day-to-day as well if this is something they are working on. Tips, tactics, specifics are great.

I'm not really sure why you would think that yoga girls do not do drugs or have a high notch count. Some do, some don't. (ok after reading some of the responses, this is covered pretty well).


I like your thinking, on most of the items you have on your list, but why not go to Eastern Europe or South America if you want to find what you are looking for. The Russian girls I've dated in the USA all tend to not want to put out right away, will make you wait a few dates just to kiss them full on much less bang.

To go along with #6, try some meetup groups with girls who are nannies or work as school teachers(even better if they are from South America or Eastern Europe). They are around kids all day, often good with children and have decent values, many would make decent wives and mothers and don't have a horrendously high notch count because they are around kids all day.

Post: #47

Good topic. Due to the smallish town where I live, I have been going the same routes. Thanks for all the extra tips. However, I gave up on yoga. Here in Florida I am usually the youngest yoga person in the room and the older women tend to be hostile and resentful towards me.

Church is a tough place too. It is not exactly designed for single men like me but its my new place for slowly meeting new circles of people.

Remind you I do not live in Miami or New York or other places where chatting up strangers is acceptable. That is my style I am most used to. No, I live somewhere smaller and conservative in comparison. My latest technique is I basically ignore and avoid looking at women (everywhere I go) until they cant stand it anymore. Or I sometimes play it ultra smooth and cool, but I have learned that introducing myself to them or saying hi and smiling is too direct and simply too much for them to handle. Unfortunately its taken a long time for me to adapt to this super slow way of gaining their trust. Unlike being in Miami it takes minutes to meet a person but here it can takes years.

In my small city the only girls who respond well to my style of quick city communication (like New York) are "slutty" women or just girls with previous drug issues and broken families, tattoos, parents who committed suicide, etc. Not that there is anything wrong with those things because they can be fun and lovable gals, but yeah I am looking for a girl that is not so ravaged by the sad reality of modern life.

Post: #48

Post: #49

(09-24-2016 04:28 AM)eradicator Wrote:  The Russian girls I've dated in the USA all tend to not want to put out right away, will make you wait a few dates just to kiss them full on much less bang.

Many have made that observation and been fooled into thinking it means that Russian girls are sexually conservative... it doesn't. All it means is that one-night stands are foreign to Russian culture. They usually follow a three-date rule, which does tend to limit the number mega-sluts, but you'll still find plenty of 20-year-old Russian girls who have run out of fingers and toes to count their notches.

On the other hand, there is practically no stigma against cheating in relationships and marriage, 'sponsorship' (soft prostitution / gold-digging), divorce, or single motherhood in Russia.

Russia is a great place to find sexy, feminine women with rich personalities, but be careful not to pedestalize them. Their culture doesn't really support the idea of eternal marriage. Nor does their church - it tolerates up to three marriages.

Post: #50

(09-24-2016 06:43 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 04:28 AM)eradicator Wrote:  The Russian girls I've dated in the USA all tend to not want to put out right away, will make you wait a few dates just to kiss them full on much less bang.

Many have made that observation and been fooled into thinking it means that Russian girls are sexually conservative... it doesn't. All it means is that one-night stands are foreign to Russian culture. They usually follow a three-date rule, which does tend to limit the number mega-sluts, but you'll still find plenty of 20-year-old Russian girls who have run out of fingers and toes to count their notches.

On the other hand, there is practically no stigma against cheating in relationships and marriage, 'sponsorship' (soft prostitution / gold-digging), divorce, or single motherhood.

This. Russian girls [And I'm generalizing] are re-freshing on the surface, but they do come with their own inherant set of issues. While we all want a feminine woman, femininity can be used to great effect as a tool of manipulation.

This is something most guys should be aware of if they've only dated western women. I.E: Western women can be massive cows, but you generally know everything that is going on because their emotions are transparent and on the surface.