Post: #26

(08-15-2016 08:17 AM)RBerkley Wrote:  Alkaline sing good pon the "Mi Luv fi fuck you baby, mi nuh beat a gyal, cocky go up inna yuh pussy mi nuh wan fi tek it out" but the part he sing about Batty Wash got some people wondering if he closet gay.

I can't rate that youth yet. Alkaline have couple good chune, but Kartel is still the World Boss for a reason.

Me think Popcaan and Busy still run the Rock. Unruly a the new boss.

Me still rate these two Alkaline chune.








Popcaan have them two hot tune dey.







Dre Island with a winning tune





Free up the World Boss

Post: #27

Kabaka Pyramid never gonna be a slave




My favorite by Future Fambo

Post: #28

Was anybody else at Notting Hill Carnival last week? Music was quality at Nasty Love sound system for dancehall, and the black and mixed girls were looking incredible.

On Alkaline, he's grown on me. Really feeling the track City and Things Take Time.

Post: #29

Hot new new tune by Aidonia.
The Chorus goes: "Get gal easy, get gal quick, Fuck gal easy, dat a rudebwoy ting."
We need more posters in this thread.

Post: #30

I think this has to be my favourite track from Popcaan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CDsjr1E3bA

Post: #31

Man I miss dancehall. I'm so behind on what's currently. Just recently discovered dexta daps. Where so you get the latest riddims? I have Google play music, and i feel it's not as current as I'd like.

Post: #32

Does anyone know of any reggae websites or apps, I've only seen radio apps out there so far and they aren't all that good.

Post: #33

Iriefm.net is exactly what plays 24/7 in Jamaica but it has a small subscription fee. You have to listen to the Jamaican commercials, which are actually pretty funny if you have never heard them.

Post: #34

(09-23-2016 01:42 AM)Kieran Wrote:  I think this has to be my favourite track from Popcaan:

I rate The System, Everything is Nice, and especially Gangsta City on the Island Vibes riddim higher though.





"All of the thugs from foreign and Europe, none a we a grow like dem!"

Post: #35

AboveAverageJoe, I been noticing how more and more mainstream North American artists like Drake hopping on the Dancehall vibe, but I hear how some people inna Jamaica nuh like that because they claim that Drake grew up in an upper class neighborhood in Toronto and he ain't giving credit to using Dancehall samples.

It's strange that because for the past decade, JFAG was trying to destroy the music industry in Jamaica by informing foreign SJWs about the "homophobic and misogynist" lyrics from anyone bussing tune from a microphone, but recently as many Jamaican singers are even BANNED from Jamaica STING! (wah da boombaclat), these uber-wealthy soft bwoys like Drake are profiting from Dancehall music.

In other words, the wealthy Major Label foreign musicians are profiting at a time when JFAG and worldwide SJW culture is censoring Dancehall artists in Jamaica from not only performing music in the 1st world, but in their own countries when they get banned from Sting for "homophobia and misogyny"!

The only foreign guy I rate up is Tory Lanez for sampling "Everyone Falls in Love Sometimes " from Tantro Metro and Devonte. He grew up in ATL which is known for that African-Southern music vibe unlike in Drake hometown of Forest Hill, Toronto which is known for militant anti-Roosh activism.

Rihanna "Work" song been sample Sail Away Riddim I hear though, but she Barbados and Guyanese so she fit in, but these soft bwoys sampling Dancehall music and not giving credit been piss off Sean Paul a while back.

What scared me is that I saw some Slutwalk and Lesbian and Gay Pride videos on YouTube,and these people were demonstrating Dancehall drum beats and playing the "cleaner" Dancehall music from Vegas, Gyptian etc.

Those 1st world people want to mess up Jamaican musician bread by telling them not to say certain things on tracks, but when it comes to cultural appropriation and stealing Dancehall music, the same 1st world people are best at doing that. Mavado haven't released a major track about bunning lesbians & militant gays for long time. The only tunes which Mavado releasing are the gyalist tunes, but a bit less "misogynist" in JFAG eyes.

Real Dancehall tune from the 90s-early 2000s was way different than now for sure!

Post: #36

Dancehall music back in 2006 before the political correctness endorsed by 1st world cultural colonialists and imperialists. Buju remade his tune pon Gully Slime riddim as Dubplate:





A tune like that is hard to find if it were released today!

Oh yes a disclaimer: This song is only a post for educational purposes. Buju Banton was singing about a health crisis amongst the gay and lesbian community.

Post: #37

I also don't like Drake's use of Dancehall samples and lyrics, but the Jamaican scene seems pretty open minded to other genres borrowing from them, like with how a lot of artists collaborated with the UK Jungle scene, and how they're open to tracks like the Tom Cruise track, which had quite a grime sound. It's not like they don't borrow from elsewhere themselves afterall. The sound is everywhere now though, and it's a shame that the best artists aren't profiting the most from what they're leading the way in (I have to admit I like the Justin Bieber Sorry track though - a guilty pleasure for me).

Post: #38

Kieran, many 1st world Musicians been featuring and sampling Dancehall way back in the 1990s, for example DMX, Vegas and Sean Paul "Here Comes the Boom", but nowadays JFLAG and the SJWs want to dictate their pro-gay lesbian values to Jamaican Dancehall by banning musicians from the 1st world countries if they ever dare sing something deemed "homophobic" and/or "misogynist".

Drake Controlla song sound like a sample of Rihanna "Work" with some real corny lines I thought it was Justin Bieber on the track, but that same Controlla song is gonna get more radio play and worldwide exposure than any popular Jamaican Dancehall artist would get such as Sean Paul back in the 2000s.

Plus, the most important reason why Sean Paul got good backing by major labels because he is the last person who would sing a song bunning gays and lesbians compared to when Shabba was famous back in the late 1990s and his rants against gays and lesbians on British television, etc.

Beenie Man used to sing about bunning gays and lesbians but he was forced to make a public apology a few years ago. Buju never liked battyman and lesbian (sodomite dykes), but mysteriously he got "charged" with a crime in the USA for all what people know could have been a set up and entrapment by police, like how innocent men get set up by mangina cops posing as "underage" 17-year-old "girls" on the internet to bait for "child luring" charges even though no 17-year-old "child" was harmed because the internet persona did not exist.

I predict that in 2020, there will be a stage where Jamaican Dancehall will become watered-down that the top artists in Jamaican Dancehall will be 1st world people rather than the "homophobic" Jamaican locals, and the Dancehall music will have to release songs promoting gayness and lesbian values.

The Caribbean already encountered history recently when a Pride rainbow flag waved in the air on Jamaican soil. When a local Jamaican female attorney questioned the event, she was vilified on the Canadian and American media though in any 1st world country she would be considered a protected class.

There is also backlash against the pornographic "Sexual Education" being brought from Canada/USA into Jamaica. When I was in school, these same SJW were preaching hysteria how HIV/AIDS could be spread in a way that even just having a crush on the opposite gender can cause HIV, but now these same foreign SJW feminazis and gay lesbos are determined to "teach" schoolkids about sex in a highly explicit way.

Just like how Jamaican dancehall is being attacked for its "misogyny and homophobia", but the same countries encourage their wealthy entertainers to jack off Dancehall music.

It's like these foreign people want to force the entire Jamaica to turn into a paradise for gays, lesbians, feminists & 1st world problems. Screw dat. European people are more open-minded than these North American and British hypocrites who spread lesbian and gayness all over the place.

Post: #39

Can't forget Sizzla and his bun fiyah fi battyman stage.
I remember when all the large promoters of all the venues in both US and Europe were harassed by GLAAD so badly, that they forced all The popular Dancehall artists of the time to sign a PC pledge to not advocate violence against gays. Otherwise they would be denied the opportunity to ply their trade in the large venues.

Shabba's career went south after his declaration on British TV that homosexuality conflicted with his Christian beliefs. Buju was on top of the world and was set up in a shit story of an entrapment. He was set up by a professional, life long DEA snitch, all on the Federal governments dime. They must have wanted Buju bad. Unlike Sizzla, Buju's act wasnt and hadn't been for a long time, about fiyah-burning gays. He had adopted a much more roots and culture oriented direction and that at the time was good for dancehall. But they locked him up in a plot that could have been an episode of Miami Vice. If Buju was locked up a yard instead of foreign he would still be putting out music like Vybz Kartel, who's King of the Dancehall has broken all previous dancehall records.

White, westerners have been co-opting Jamaican music since Eric Clapton and I shot the Sheriff. It is nothing new. The big deal was that Popcaan was originally featured on the Controlla track but Drake released the track with Beanie Man's verse instead. Popcaan has been associating Unruly with OVO and didn't feel the love was returned by Drake. Popcaan said he didn't care but the Jamaican public took it as an insult and now Drake is being called out on his using Jamaican artists and beats but not doing features or big ups or whatever. Then Vegas got involved, social media is unbelivieably huge in JA and words travel very quickly.

The thing with the music being borrowed is that in JA music scene is that the arists get paid a one time fee for voicing the tune and the producer/record company reaps the profits. The riddims are built and then literally anyone who wants to can get on it. The actual riddim makers are also not earning residuals. So to sample or jack these artists is definitely the way to go because any use of their music is not really defended. Clearance of any Western artist material and it is a huge deal with profit sharing, contracts and lawyers. Not so when you steal from a Jamaican or caribbean artist. So American artists are rading the treasure trove of dancehall riddims and lyrics because they know they can. When they do pay as in the case of Rihanna and Ritchie Stephens-owned Sail Away riddim, it is a lot less than they would have to pay US based artists.

For the record the 90's will always be the golden age of dancehall. Autotune and a decline in common moral values have contributed to a lower standard of music but their are still many quality artists in JA.

Post: #40

The weird part of the music industry is that 1990 Dancehall Riddims like Medicine Riddim, Punnany Riddim, Up Close and Personal Riddim, Haunted Riddim got more dancing vibe than Drake "Controlla" song.

There was a rumour going how they got Somalian G's in Toronto living in the low-income North York district area being used as ghostwriters for Drake songs. One guy named Mo-G complained how Drake crew only paid him 500$ flat fee to do some music projects with Drake, which Drake would later increase his net worth by hundreds of thousand dollars from those same songs.

The guy Mo-G ranted on YouTube, but there was a rumor going on how he later mysteriously got kidnapped and beaten up at the West end of Toronto, and it was in a breaking news headline but vague as in man abducted by men in van and beaten up, which mysteriously got taken offline after people were finding out that Mo-G was previously complaining about being underpaid by Drake.

Drake may be a jacking off faggot, but if it's indeed true that he sending people to kidnap and intimidate his own ghostwriters who helped him with songs like Hotline Bling, then that is one cheap, backstabbing moddafucka who shouldn't even step foot in Jamaica with that type of slave master shit coz this ain't slavery time in the Caribbean islands.

Mo-G in Toronto been beefing that the 500$ he got paid for helping Drake with Top 40 songs couldn't even pay his mom's rent, but Drake gonna earn 500 times that amount in ticket sales in one night at a concert at Rogers Centre or whatever venue that only wealthy corporate music labels can afford to stage in Toronto.

Drake gotta stick with his Metrosexual music because if he gonna influence Jamaican Dancehall by using unfair competition, then Jamaican Reggae and Dancehall will begin to introduce pro-gay, pro-lesbian, pro-feminist themes rather than Caribbean culture.

If Sizzla wanted to do a feature with Elton John while still singing about the battyman and lesbian them a bugga lil pickney for sexual education reasons, Sizzla would be subject to a lynch mob from the SJW crowd.

Timbaland used to sample ethnic Indian and Arab music back in the 1990s and 2000s, but the sampling wasn't pushing any metrosexual faggot agenda like what I'm noticing in Dancehall.

I don't know the direct term for what I'm trying to explain.

It's like a feminist from Canada telling the Jamaican government to criminalize men who chat up with women on the street because she wants her safe space when she travels to Jamaica...Cultural Colonization?

JFAG been relentlessly siding with the 1st world faggots long time Leftside Dr. Evil been complain about it on his 2005 hit songs them.

Ironic how the same fags and lesbians would want to deport anyone holding "homophobic" and "misogynist" views from their 1st world offices, but they go to other countries to force lesbian and gayness, and Drake.

It's complicated to explain my thoughts in full on the issue. Back in the 1990s I heard people didn't really have to worry what they say on the Mic, except for Buju & Shabba because they were on major record deals in the 1st world.

Now. JFAG make it politically correct that private citizens who post about critical remarks about JFAG on private discussion boards are reported to 1st world sodomite NGO on a database.

Times changed, now two woman would prefer to scissor one another than talk to a masculine man.

Post: #41

Haunted and the Donovan Germain produced, Up Close and Personal riddim are two of my mid 90's favorites. Bookshelf riddim came out around the same time and was very hot, Vegas and Sean Paul's version was featured in Belly.
Sean Paul's lyrics in Deport Dem are words for players to live by:

From a gal nuh up to date wi deport dem
Can't keep up wit di trends wi report dem
If dem nuh di modeling type wi nuh court dem
But di big beauty queen wi support dem
But di big beauty queen wi support dem
Again wi nuh sorry, a dutty wuk di gal dem ina every territory
But wi hafi start keep dem in a category
Mandatory ala mi gal dem hafi fit dem hafi ready
Can't keep up wit di trend man I left it
Bad Man nuh sorry cuz we done hit di cherry
Done legendary nuff gal wife he marry
One ting wi hafi tell dem necessary
Big up unu self if unu got it.

R Berkely while I like the term Cultural Colonialization I think the term used here would be the Exportation of Social Marxism.
The term for the stealing of the music is Cultural Appropriation which sounds a lot nicer than thief.
Honestly, I cannot for the life of me see how Drake has one single, solitary male fan. I can see why is autotune bawling appeals to women, but to men?

Conspiracy theories aside, isn't it a coincidence that the top international dancehall artist, Sean Paul, and the top rap artist, Drake, are both light-skinned Jews? I am sure this has nothing to do with the people who own the music industry.

Post: #42

Interesting stuff. Do you guys know what kind of money big name artists charge to voice a dubplate - and do you think they still charge big DJs where it maybe benefits them to be on the dubplate?

Post: #43

R Berkley, I think you meant JFLAG, Jamaica's version of GLAAD, or maybe you did mean JFAG.

JFAG definition according to urbandictionary.com:
Someone who consistently fails at everything attempt by said person.
It represents someone who is unable to succeed at life, and is mainly depressed.
A person who has no hope.
More specifically, someone whose parents dont love him in any way, shape, or form.

Yeah, you definitely meant JFAG.

Post: #44

(10-01-2016 08:20 AM)Kieran Wrote:  Interesting stuff. Do you guys know what kind of money big name artists charge to voice a dubplate - and do you think they still charge big DJs where it maybe benefits them to be on the dubplate?

Artists don't see them as benefitting themselves at all promotionally from dubplates, it is purely for the selector to have material for clashing.
If you are a foreigner and you show up near a studio you will be swarmed by a crowd of talented artists, some known, most not, that will offer to voice a dubplate for you. They will automatically assume you are a foreign DJ and you are there to get dubplates. The problem is you have to link up with the level of artists that you want.

Here is lesser-known sound Judah International from Trinidad getting a dubplate recorded from Kartel while in remand.



From the top down artists regard dubplates as easy side money and most will voice for any sound. Obviously some artists dubplates are rarer but DJ's from Japan to Africa to Hawaii to Miami all go to Jamaica to make dubplates. Dubplates are often recorded by enterprising DJ's when these artists come through to perform in foreign because its easy, duty free, cash money.

If you go to yard you could contact any artist you wanted through their social media accounts. You could get Alkaline, Popcaan, Mavado, Gully Bop, Beanie, Bounty, Chronixx, Protoje or any artist you want granted they are currently on the Rock. Jamaican artists tour the US during the summer festival season and retire to Jamaica preferrably in the winter however Britain, Europe Japan and Africa are all huge consumers of dancehall, much more than in the US. So they travel abroad often if they have the visa link.

If you want one of the top artists you are going to have to get them through social media or their managers or handlers, but most you should be able to link with once they know you are there to pay them a large sum of Jamaican or US dollars for 5 minutes of them changing a few lyrics in a song they have sung thousands of times. Just be very wary, Jamaica scam culture is huge right now-it is the subject of Vybz Kartel new video Western Union. Lots of people will offer to be intermediaries and you will be bled dry. You have to link with the right Jamaicans. If you have swag and speak and understand patois you will be allright. I am assuming anyone deep enough into the music to desire a real JA dubplate already understands and probably speaks Jamaican patois.
Dont give out any money to anyone except the artist at the time of the voicing. Jamaicans don't consider conning or tricking someone out of their money nearly as disrespectful as teefs are looked down pon, and many Jamaicans a very clever and good talkers so have your street game on. Act like you are trying to buy weed and your not gonna just hand your money to the first guy that says he can get you some.

Now haggling in Jamaican is something totally different. Much like Africa the Mideast and many equatorial islands haggling is done with much gusto and a deal isn't made without lots of cursing and threatening to walk out on both sides then finalized with an agreement and everyting curry and the white rum and the spliffs and irie vibe come out. It is just the way business is done otherwise you will get walked over. They will try to wildy overcharge you at first to just test the waters and see how big of a DJ you are. You then suck your teeth and say you just want one tune your not trying to book him for a stageshow. He might tell you to suck your muma because you are teefing bred from him pickney hand so dem bawling ca dem hungry and cyan eat. He might curse you as a colonial slave driver and see you are trying to enslave him like Babylon. Don't cave from the white guilt, this is just a negotiating tactic along with all other theatrics and claims. He might say he feels like hacking you with a machete or a rachet cause yuh have demon inside you. Stay calm. Keep it about the numbers, threaten to leave and pay another artist for the amount you have, they won't let you leave. Work out as low a number as you can that he is still cool about taking, most of the JA artists are not nearly as wealthy as they would like to pretend. Life in JA is expensive. $1000 US is 130,000 in JA dollars. You could easily get a hot artist like Konshens or Aidonia for a grand if you could link with them already in the studio.

All studios in JA are locked behind gates and no one is admitted without business to attend to. As a white man or foreigner you will automatically be allowed in because they know why you are there. They will google who you say you are in if they can't determine that you are a big or popular sound they will know you don't have that kind of big cash and they will take what they can get. If you are serious I could help you out some.

You have to not be afraid of going to Kingston, it is not as bad as people say it is, just act right. People will try to stop you left and right to engage you, just trod on repeating "mi cool" or "mi nuh need nuttin." replying to people in patois usually shuts them down as there are white Jamaicans and Jamaicans of Asian and Arabic even Jewish extraction. If you can pass for some sort of mixed person dress to blend in. Jamaicans are fanatical about style and fashion and they can tell another Jamaican just by dress alone.

Thats about it, thats how you get a dubplate. I have been to these studios and recorded with some of these artists so I know how it goes I have seen it there and I know many international DJ's that have gone to yard and made dubplates. If you can establish a relationship with the right artists you could do it digitally online thereafter. You could wire the money and they can voice and return the wav file as nobody actually spins vinyl anymore. I am sure most international DJ's aren't even going to yard anymore, they are just relying on connections in JA to get them done digitally.
Definitely go to Jamaica at least once if you are a fan. Everyone should go to an outdoor Kingston dancehall clash or dance at least once in their life. Hol a guiness and some vibes an wine pon a gal.

Post: #45

Thanks for the post. That was really interesting. I'm not actually a DJ, I've just always wondered about the process when it comes to dubplates, and sometimes you hear DJ's tell stories about how long it took them to get a certain artist to voice a certain dubplate, so I didn't realise it was as quite as easy as that generally.

Post: #46

Social media has radically changed Jamaica. Proven by the emergence of Gully Bop, a homeless, 54 year old crack smoking, fan repairman went from a nobody to one of the most in demand artists in one year due to one posting of one of his freestyles online.
From this



to this in one year

Post: #47

Making dubplates before the digital age was much more difficult and time consuming than it is now. Here is how most UK sounds get their dubplates.

http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/music/stori...lusive-mix

Service that liason sounds wirh artists

Post: #48

Chronixx bringing Rockers back.

Post: #49

(10-06-2016 01:57 PM)Kieran Wrote:  Thanks for the post. That was really interesting. I'm not actually a DJ, I've just always wondered about the process when it comes to dubplates, and sometimes you hear DJ's tell stories about how long it took them to get a certain artist to voice a certain dubplate, so I didn't realize it was as quite as easy as that generally.

If it is a really old dubplate and a foundation artist then yes it was much more difficult before the advent of the net and social media. I made it sound easy but Jamaica is a big island and like most islands no one gives a fuck about your "schedule". Things happen when they happen. Now it is much easier to link with anyone at anytime. Dubplates are the easiest way for an artist to earn. They don't have to perform or create a tune and they will do one for any sound with cash are there are countless sound systems around the world. It is their most convenient revenue stream.

It is nowhere near as difficult or expensive as getting a top US rap artist to do a 16 bar feature on a local artists song. That is also a reason for the frequent collaborations with Jamaican artists. They work relatively cheap in the studio.


Chronixx and Protoje






Chronixx reviving a Jacob Miller classic

Post: #50

Been jamming this riddim for positivity and upliftment lately, it is from 2014 but uses the timeless I IV V vi chord progression. My favorite tunes are Collie Budz and Sizzla Kalonji's.





I earlier miscredited Popcaan's Gangsta City being on Island Vibes riddim. Duh, its on Gangsta City riddim by NotNice.

This is Island Vibes riddim, 2011 by Chimney Records:




I like Stein's version as well as Serani's "Dont call the cops" and the tune by Bugle.