(08-19-2016 09:12 PM)erikak Wrote:  Who's the bigger idiot? The guy that lavishes girls with gifts? Or the guy who doesn't because he can't figure out a way to make more money? If a guy has cash, he will spend at least some of it on girls.

Sadly, Filipinas are catching onto our games as well, just like the girls in China did, the girls in EE, Brazil. Enjoy it while it lasts, they are already changing.

The more actual game he has --> less of an idiot
More "gifts" in order to indrectly buy love, sex or loyalty --> more of an idiot

It's just weak, and deep down girls resent guys who have to do it to keep them around.

(08-20-2016 03:16 PM)asdfk Wrote:  Then don't. There is 0 need to pay for anything when dating Filipinas. I rarely did. If you play it right (and don't fuck Barrio girls) they'll spend the money on you. Especially in Manila.

Yep exactly. Let them chase, work for you, and frame you as the prize. It actually increases their attraction, satisfaction and respect for you (assuming you don't have a "broke backpacker" vibe).

(08-12-2016 06:34 AM)Onto Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 06:24 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  I was wondering the same thing Onto haha

Especially with Chase Freedom giving 6x total pts on restaurants (Starbucks) through Sept!

I will bring some money on my card to test, but it would be nicer to really load up before heading out there.

Sorry guys, the USA Starbucks card is useless in the Phils (at least when I was there last year, these things may change). I spent a lot of time in coffee shops, and you have the load up the Phil's specific version card if you want to use it and the rewards program. Any stars you get will not be reflected on your USA account either, it is basically a completely different thing.

Hope that helps, and let me know if you find out something different this year!

(08-19-2016 07:48 PM)Schlep Wrote:  @ Dow Jones

Do not trust these women for a second. They all have multiple boyfriends. They are searching for the idiots. Men to take them out to expensive restaurants and shopping. Then when you leave expect you to send them money.

Enjoy the Philippines for what it is. Do not feel bad about what your doing. Just be smart about it.

I think I can see the root cause of why the girls are just so damn easy in the Philippines. Poverty has helped breed a culture of immoral behavior by the women. Fucking guys is just a side thing to them. They will all be naughty for finantial gain. Guys might just be lining them up to enjoy great sex, but behind the scenes these girls seem more 'naughty' than us guys just looking for simple sex. While sex is totally consensual making us players seem seemingly innocent, these girls go trying to scam people and lie to and use multiple boyfriends for personal gain. Typically lying about hospital or school expenses. The PUA many of us here are enjoying being are naughty but the girls we are after are more so!

Doing preliminary planning for a trip I'm making. I plan on hitting Manila (in addition to Thailand, Vietnam and Taiwan) for a month. What are my options in terms of finding a place to stay for a month? I've been looking at rent prices to get a close idea, and the estimation seems to be 500USD for a place in the city centre. Thanks for the help guys.

(08-24-2016 03:14 AM)dads Wrote:  Doing preliminary planning for a trip I'm making. I plan on hitting Manila (in addition to Thailand, Vietnam and Taiwan) for a month. What are my options in terms of finding a place to stay for a month? I've been looking at rent prices to get a close idea, and the estimation seems to be 500USD for a place in the city centre. Thanks for the help guys.

Just googled and 500 USD = 23000 PHP. I can't imagine that you'd find a place in central Makati or BGC for one month for that price. That's around the going monthly price for a fully furnished small condo in central Makati/BGC on a six month or one year contract.

I'd say you'll either have to increase your budget, stay in a less desirable location or try and find somebody living there long term who will be vacating their apartment for a month.

$500 is a low budget for Makati or the Fort.

Manila might be a dump but its hotel and lodging are
not cheap for short term rentals.

Even long term leases there are going to be more
than $500 if you want anything near western standards.

I think your trip is going to cost you a lot more than
you think it will.

I found hotels and lodging in Bangkok to be much cheaper.
There are 2-3X more hotels there than in Manila.

You might want to head to Quezon or another area that
would be cheaper.

(08-24-2016 03:14 AM)dads Wrote:  Doing preliminary planning for a trip I'm making. I plan on hitting Manila (in addition to Thailand, Vietnam and Taiwan) for a month. What are my options in terms of finding a place to stay for a month? I've been looking at rent prices to get a close idea, and the estimation seems to be 500USD for a place in the city centre. Thanks for the help guys.

(08-12-2016 03:51 PM)Freebird Flying Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 03:22 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  What about when she is with you?

If she on the phone a lot?

No, she's not on the phone a lot when I am with her. She hardly ever is on the phone when I am around. But she is on face book quite a bit. She sends me messages through email daily.

I actually have not seen her in a couple months because I'm back in the u.s. for work for a while. It feels like I don't really know what's going on. She swears she loves me all over her face book page though, and in the emails she sends me daily...

If you are financially subsidizing her in any way you might consider making it explicit that that gives you exclusive rights over any socializing or communicating with guys. One dollar from you means no social contact with guys. It the ONE single thing the ridiculous violent religion of pieces has right.

If she's on FB she needs to have a big picture with her and you together and her status changed to in a relationship or you can assume she's trying to get attention from other guys.
EDIT: You mentioned she's broadcasting she likes you.

Her DIA profile etc has to be erased.

Also, I flatly tell a girl I have access to her phone at all times, she can never message another guy or we're done.

If she's serious and fits MY definition of non-feminist she'll have no problem with those.

Guys here thinking in terms of "notches" may feel they are wiser than a Beta like me, but I've been in relationships with Filipinas even in USA where there's a lot more competition and at least one girl was truly loyal.

The doctrinaire view that every single woman in the Philippines, or somewhere else is a devious lying gold digger is tiresome and, for anyone who knows human nature, ridiculous.

(08-25-2016 04:35 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 03:51 PM)Freebird Flying Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 03:22 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  What about when she is with you?

If she on the phone a lot?

No, she's not on the phone a lot when I am with her. She hardly ever is on the phone when I am around. But she is on face book quite a bit. She sends me messages through email daily.

I actually have not seen her in a couple months because I'm back in the u.s. for work for a while. It feels like I don't really know what's going on. She swears she loves me all over her face book page though, and in the emails she sends me daily...

If you are financially subsidizing her in any way you might consider making it explicit that that gives you exclusive rights over any socializing or communicating with guys. One dollar from you means no social contact with guys. It the ONE single thing the ridiculous violent religion of pieces has right.

If she's on FB she needs to have a big picture with her and you together and her status changed to in a relationship or you can assume she's trying to get attention from other guys.
EDIT: You mentioned she's broadcasting she likes you.

Her DIA profile etc has to be erased.

Also, I flatly tell a girl I have access to her phone at all times, she can never message another guy or we're done.

If she's serious and fits MY definition of non-feminist she'll have no problem with those.

Guys here thinking in terms of "notches" may feel they are wiser than a Beta like me, but I've been in relationships with Filipinas even in USA where there's a lot more competition and at least one girl was truly loyal.

The doctrinaire view that every single woman in the Philippines, or somewhere else is a devious lying gold digger is tiresome and, for anyone who knows human nature, ridiculous.

Not all Filipinas are scammers, but many are out of necessity. The parents often push them to bring in money for the family. I've known girls whose parents don't even have mattresses to sleep on.

A relationship status on Facebook is okay, yeah, but remember that they often have multiple Facebook accounts, and one night stands are apparently the norm. If she's cute, she's being hit on by local dudes constantly.

I'd highly suggest testing her before sending too much money. Do this by making a fake Facebook account. Don't use a pic of foreigner, but a Filipino, particularly one in a decent car. (It's ridiculous, but a Filipino can pretty much triple his SMV by simply having a car.)

Yeah there's a place for a strong frame, but there's also a place for testing for their nature.

I've seen more than one older dude with an SE Asian girl who obviously "thought" he was the boss controlling her - ordering her around, dominating, looking at her phone, etc.

Doesn't stop the girl hungrily looking around for fresh studs at any chance she gets.

If it's in her nature, it just makes it even more exciting for her - it's "naughty", trying to have fun behind Daddy's back.

Better to find one who just doesn't have that tendency. Strong family values, low drive for partying, etc. You only find that out by screening/testing.

Even then, that strong frame is still key. Can't just be a wuss and get walked over.

But there's a lot to be said for screening for the qualities you want in an LTR.

(08-19-2016 09:12 PM)erikak Wrote:  Who's the bigger idiot? The guy that lavishes girls with gifts? Or the guy who doesn't because he can't figure out a way to make more money? If a guy has cash, he will spend at least some of it on girls.

Sadly, Filipinas are catching onto our games as well, just like the girls in China did, the girls in EE, Brazil. Enjoy it while it lasts, they are already changing.

hmmm Do you really have game? Or playing games?

You have a car and a nice place.

You get back what you put out there. Simple as that.

You say don't trust this person and don't trust that person. Women are becoming shallow and onto the games.

Don't be surprised by the filipinas you attract when considering the bait you are using of cars and nice places you live and basically showing off your money.

Doing this and then complaining about the results I don't think makes you smarter.

Freebird Flying- In my experience, if something feels wrong about a relationship, then something is indeed wrong, you just haven't identified what it is yet.

The western emphasis on brutal honesty, and eastern emphasis on face make a relationship between a western and a Pinay a tough situation to reconcile. Often people try to force it to work since on paper, everything seems fine. But as time goes on more problems surface, and that initial gut instinct becomes a flashing red light.

The Pinay will think everything is good, but often she's ignoring what she views as tactlessness on your part, and just going along since she's under the pressure of finding someone who can support her extended family.

The Westerner will think everything is good since his new girlfriend is much hotter than what he can get back home, and she outwardly shows signs of sweetness, femininity, and moral support that is hard to come by elsewhere. Only later will he discover the games of dishonesty, trust and emotional issues, and extended family drama over money, jealousy, and empty rumors.

I do notice an undercurrent of anger or inferiority aimed at Pinays in a lot of posts. I understand where it's coming from, but it's probably not accurate to paint a country of 100 million people with such a broad stroke. Though, to be fair, it's probably what the average westerner who spends a limited amount of time in the country and mostly just wants to get laid can expect.

Most guys either go mainly for easy lays, or they shack up with the first girl who meets their standards for looks and basic femininity only to regret it later. We often say class doesn't matter, but in this case I think it does. A lot of these girls might check the boxes on looks and sweetness, but they're often coming from a totally different world of expectations than what you're used to. Most times, when you're dating a Filipina, you're also bringing her family issues into your life. If her family is poor, money will become part of the relationship dynamic, and over time you'll grow resentful of it, or it can bring issues of control and insecurity into the dynamic.

My advice, don't get into a relationship where you're expected to send your girlfriend money every month. If you're at that point, it shows that you two are coming from two completely different worlds, and it will always be a challenge to overcome the cultural differences resulting from a lifetime of different experiences. You'll view each other as the result of a compromise of necessity, and it will only cause more problems than it will solve. The more you invest in the relationship financially, the more you'll try to rationalize things away. Maybe I'm wrong, but the SEA stereotype of the long distance boyfriend who gets taken advantage of by the younger foreign girlfriend exists for a reason.

Unless you're willing to spend more than a month there, I wouldn't even consider thinking about looking for a relationship. The vast majority of women the transient vacationer is looking to meet up with is not even close to relationship material. You're not gonna be looking for the ones you should since you're drowning in a sea of easy pussy. A lot of these girls are playing the same games, and guys get used to these types since they're easy and convenient. Often guys will try to make it work with one of the hottest in their rotation, only to later grow frustrated with relationship bullshit with an unworthy LTR prospect and write off all Pinays forever. The ease of getting laid and the access to hot women that even an average guy is capable of landing will make them impatient when looking for the kind of girl that would make a decent LTR.

The kind of Filipina you should be looking for:

• At the very least, self sufficient. Comes from a family that is relatively self sufficient and mostly has their shit together. This eliminates 90% of the pointless games of jealousy, drama, rumor, resentment, and entitlement that's common in low class families. This rule can maybe be bent for absolute emergencies, but even there I'd be discerning.
• If she does come from a poor background and there's family issues, she "sandboxes" it so you don't deal with it. If there's issues, she doesn't bring those issues into your relationship.
• She shows enough signs of responsibility. Does she show up on time? Apologize when she messes up? Does she hold up to her agreements? This becomes less of a problem with lower middle class and above.
• She shows enough signs of restraint. Does she get shy when you first try to kiss her? Does she want to introduce you to her family (less of a warning sign in independent middle class+ types)? Does she expect girlfriend status, or at the very least, signs of genuine interest before having sex even when she's visibly aroused?
• Doesn't nag or throw tampo over petty issues. Able to work things out rationally after she's calmed down and never holds on to drama or resentment.
• Able to hold a basic adult conversation in english that involves more than 5 word sentences.
• etc

The point being, not the kind of girl that's on the radar of most guys briefly passing through, or browsing dating sites. Often you'll have to trade down slightly in outright looks.

I'll be in Manila a few weeks from now if any established guys are around and wanted to meet up for hookah or a few beers.

What I'd like to add, is that it's a smart move to select on wealth. If you date girls who are not dirt poor, a lot of the aforementioned problems go away. It's a relatively small group compared to the rest of the country. But you'll still have exotic value.

If you have trust issues with a girl, then that's mostly a selection problem. You are not in a relationship with the right girl.

What's being thoroughly missed by guys who scream about having a "strong frame" is that you create a self fulfilling prophecy. If you treat her like she can't be trusted, or that she might cheat on an impulse, you are creating a situation where she just might follow your expectations. I think the more experienced members will agree that if you act in a way that suggest a certain response, a girlfriend is likely to exhibit that behaviour. Cheating is absolutely no exception.

How many married women have we collectively fucked, because their husband was of the jealous and controlling type?

The girl you are "dominating" or keep close tabs on, will be the girl that's sucking my dick and getting fucked really hard because at that point, it will feels to her like an act of freedom.

Of course you are worried she might cheat. But there is a little worry and there's worry that consumes you. If you are in the last spot, either get out of the relationship, never share those feelings with her or let her help you to calm down.

Last but not least: I saw a consistent pattern of girls acting out the things I told them I least wanted to see when the relationship was over. Before I followed my own advice, I might talk with them about certain guys and ask them wether they thought they were attractive. Even if the girls told me they hated those guys, they ended getting fucked by them once we had broken up. My friends have also reported this.

And frankly, if a girlfriend told me she wouldn't like it at all if I'd find her sister attractive, I wouldn't mind to tap that ass when our relationship would be over.

Relationships shouldn't be a battle of wills, or one person exerting their dominance over the other. There's a big difference between taking charge and following, and forcing someone to do what you want and they submitting to you. There are ways to make a girl do the first and make her unsuscetble to the latter, but that's beyond this post.

(08-25-2016 10:22 AM)erikak Wrote:  and one night stands are apparently the norm.

So this really is the culture of the Philippines? How much of the Phillipines would you say this applies to? Manila region, and only that, or the other parts too?

(08-25-2016 10:22 AM)erikak Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 04:35 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 03:51 PM)Freebird Flying Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 03:22 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  What about when she is with you?

If she on the phone a lot?

No, she's not on the phone a lot when I am with her. ...

If you are financially subsidizing her in any way you might consider making it explicit that that gives you exclusive rights over any socializing or communicating with guys. One dollar from you means no social contact with guys. It the ONE single thing the ridiculous violent religion of pieces has right. .....

The doctrinaire view that every single woman in the Philippines, or somewhere else is a devious lying gold digger is tiresome and, for anyone who knows human nature, ridiculous.

Not all Filipinas are scammers, but many are out of necessity. The parents often push them to bring in money for the family. I've known girls whose parents don't even have mattresses to sleep on.
.....

It's a good point that many girls are hoping for help for their families, but there's a big difference between someone in school full time or putting in 40-50 hours in a cell phone factory but still so poor, and someone who's gotten used to being an entitled parasite. wWhether they are honest about their needs is somewhat separate. Good ones appreciate help for their family, but you can _feel_ ( beta feewings) the difference when you're here a while between the types.

It takes time and you'll make errors.

I wouldn't send any amount before meeting a girl and feeling you like her, and wouldn't have a girl living with me or really latching on to my lifestyle unless they were basically totally centering her life around me and my needs. There are a lot of girls who ask for money early and often and they are pretty much all useless.

(08-26-2016 01:40 AM)Cogon Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 10:22 AM)erikak Wrote:  and one night stands are apparently the norm.

So this really is the culture of the Philippines? How much of the Phillipines would you say this applies to? Manila region, and only that, or the other parts too?

I think a lot of girls will put out the first night out of the need to compete, but aren't really into it. Most want real relationships. If you're thinking in terms of "notches", you might have a selection bias.

Can't you just make it simple and date middle/upper-middle class women?
e.g.
-Has a car (and not a relic)
-Has been to the US/Europe as a tourist
-Does not blink at a 500 peso bottle of table wine

Philippines really is amazing as a result of call centre. I would say that without call centre industry booming like this, it would hardly even be the pussy paradise that it is. These women are readily available because of the times they work. They work night shift and it is easy to negotiate to meet up during the day. You can't negotiate time to meet during someones work hours, but there is room for planning in their off hours which in the case of N. America servicing call centre here are all daytime off hours. I look forward to reporting back on how the call centre girls turn out. I am pipelinng now and arrive in time for Sept 1. Lots of days ahead in Manila to experience this before I move to the next cunt-ry! Got one already telling me to kiss her and saying kissing her is a demand LOL

Only in the Philippines!

btw, next on my list are the 3 neighbors discussed on the forum. Vietnam plus the ones discussed as being the other super easy ones, Indonesia and Thailand. I want to get some fresh experiences from these 3 countries, which unlike Philippines show signs of changing with time. After living in the Philipines for so long I have decided I will soon do some temp visits to each of these countries outside the Philippines then move to latam countries starting with Peru being my first one to try there. I have realized that the Philppines indeed is going to stay the same till like the end of time. The economy is stuck on a dead end and and moving the quality of living up for these people aint gonna happen at least in our lifetimes. When you come back in 20 years you will still see the slums and the millions of rural poor and girls will still be under the same curcumstances looking for foreiners, just like Thailand and Colombia, but easier as it has always been because of just the way things are here like population size, poverty, Americanization etc. Nothing has really changed here in the last 20 years, nothing is going to change here in the next 20. May as well depart this country at least in time for Christmas holidays and do all the other countries and have the Philippines waiting here for me to return to someday in the future. This is the plan!

^ Have fun with the call center girls. They were always my favorites. Excellent english skills and always put out. Seems like all my best dates were with girls that worked in call centers.

(08-27-2016 12:46 AM)Schlep Wrote:  ^ Have fun with the call center girls. They were always my favorites. Excellent english skills and always put out. Seems like all my best dates were with girls that worked in call centers.

Yes and that they are indeed so easy too.

And when you consider that call center is what is pretty much taking over the country and its economy, these are the girls that are perhaps the most common kind you will find anyways. Call centre is the only real industry they got. But boy are they hot in bed!

Is it just me or is Manila getting easier? All the women I chat tell me they are gonna kiss me hug me and sleep with me. No other place on earth like this!
I am swimming in pussy tot he point that I am throwing out the office worker that I said wanted to be kissed. She is far and would need to spend the night so I am sticking my hands into my massive pool of woen and taking the ones that are local and don't need to stay overnight. Some guys here have said they did not want to keep some girls over for the night. That is me too. Stick to the ones that are local enough if you wanna have some lone down down before rest.. I wanna settle down for the evening on my own early with some peace and quiet and resume with chicks the next day lol

I was only in Manila for seven days. Also, in Cebu for six weeks. So I'm not sure if the girls are getting easier. Overall I had a good time. Will I return? Probably not. I feel the same way as you do about the heat. Being in a place where everyday is 90 degrees is torture. Also, I went on far to many boring dates. Woman showing up on dates with relatives or friends. To many other great places to visit.

(08-24-2016 01:19 AM)Cogon Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 07:48 PM)Schlep Wrote:  @ Dow Jones

Do not trust these women for a second. They all have multiple boyfriends. They are searching for the idiots. Men to take them out to expensive restaurants and shopping. Then when you leave expect you to send them money.

Enjoy the Philippines for what it is. Do not feel bad about what your doing. Just be smart about it.

I think I can see the root cause of why the girls are just so damn easy in the Philippines. Poverty has helped breed a culture of immoral behavior by the women. Fucking guys is just a side thing to them. They will all be naughty for finantial gain. Guys might just be lining them up to enjoy great sex, but behind the scenes these girls seem more 'naughty' than us guys just looking for simple sex. While sex is totally consensual making us players seem seemingly innocent, these girls go trying to scam people and lie to and use multiple boyfriends for personal gain. Typically lying about hospital or school expenses. The PUA many of us here are enjoying being are naughty but the girls we are after are more so!

I don't think it has anything to do with poverty. American girls are even sluttier, and they are the richest in the world.

We're not all going after the same kind of girls. You described a paticular type, which reflects what you're looking for. There are many others.

The general procedure here seems to be getting me quick results with near zero effort!

I message girls exactly 1 week or 7 days before the intended date to meet saying the evening before that is the day I arrive. I select from 2 or 3 pages of women in my search. Within 15 minutes Id say Im done! Got 2 girls, 2 separate meets requested from them already. Exceeded my expectation. I was supposed to pipeline for 1 day at a time but already exceeded this in such a short time. The idea is that I send out fresh messages intended for a meet 7 days out and as we move forward to the next day, repeat and do for the day 7 days out to keep feeding the pipeline from the 7 day maximum period. The perfect amount of time. Long enough that their is anticipation for the girl and you really look like you have a pending arrival(which is a lie because you are sitting in Manila on your computer LOL). But short enough that you dont spend too much time on each one and they don't just fall away on you. 2 weeks is giving them more time than you want for them to talk talk talk for nothing. So the 1 week pipeline seems to work and should take about 15 minutes to already have a "wanna meet?". Love it when this question comes up! Feels like I hit a home run each time it happens LOL Any other thoughts on making the pipeline efficient?

I have a huge complaint though and wonder if others can relate. WTF is up with girls and their talking past tense!!!! Stating words in past tense when it should be present or future. example: just now I received "how long have been stayed here in phlippines sir" you would have never ever guessed that she was actually trying to ask how long you WILL be staying in the Philippines! And then minutes before this one now, the other says: I am in Tondo but I worked in Makati. I am so sick of telling them it is WORK not WORKED that I will never bother correcting them again. They always do it. This is not about not knowing English perfect, this is about everyone seeming to strangely have the same distinct habit which can get quite annoying actually. Not knowing english well and spelling things wrong and a variety of mistakes is nothing to get on my nerves at all. But this repetitive error really seems to be able to push my buttons lol, having just this one error being committed by every person you meet seems aggravating. Pervasive switching to paste tense. Anybody notice this? You gotta. Its so obvious it can get on ones nerves. I been to countries and dealt with people not knowing good English and having an overall lower English ability than Phil and between the variety of errors that different people commit never had anything seem to get as annoying as this one thing everyone is doing here.

@Cogon
I would guess that they don't have a perfect aspect in Tagalog or other native languages.
"I have been working" is present tense, but also perfect in aspect, implying work has been completed near the present.
Without understanding the perfect aspect (have done, have been, have written, etc.) they might see the plain past tense as the way to imply work has been completed.
"Have been stayed" sounds like an attempt to use the perfect, but still confusing it with the plain past tense.

Can anyone recommend a rental resource for Davao?

Or anywhere in the Phils, for that matter. Sites like Olx seem to be geared to people who want to buy, not rent.