Post: #1

I literally have everything else down: confidence, getting attention, taking care of my looks, a good body, nice clothes, etc.

I for some fucking reason can't get over that transitional hump between when a girl is showing obvious signs of attraction to touching/making out.

I was home-schooled in a weird white muslim family and I'm in college now. I've only fucked/kissed prostitutes; I'm scared of "making a move" because of arrested development.

I really want this bullshit to end man, it's so torturous. I've had so fucking many beautiful girls express interest in fucking, and I just freeze up and do nothing man.

I need some advice guys, please. My dad wants me to be a celibate and I have no other real life family male mentors. I was thinking of asking my little brother to help me, but he thinks I'm this hound that gets tons of pussy man, and it would just make everyone + him see me in a way worse lens.

This is hell guys.

Post: #2

Did you or did you not ask her where the closest pet store was?

Post: #3

So see your dad as an enemy. He has only the power you permit him to have.

Escalating is very straightforward -- you put your hands on her and keep requesting the next stage of compliance until you're going at it.

That you're not doing it indicates some psychological barrier. I submit it could be that you subconsciously see yourself as a boy, due to your domineering father, and thus not ready to assert yourself. You need to see yourself as an independent man, and to do so you will need to attain and assert that personal independence. That would include things like having your own place & job & money etc, which I assume you don't have.

Post: #4

You're stressing because you're trying to sprint when you don't have the walking down. You'll get better if you just follow the basics and find your own system.

On a date: hug when you meet. When you're about fifteen minutes in and things are going well, start with touching her upper arm, the small of her back, etc. to emphasize certain points in the conversation well. If she doesn't seem to be feeling it, hold off for a few more minutes before doing again.

Find an excuse to touch her hand or lower thigh (close to her knee) - same idea. After a few times you can leave your hand there. Or, touch her hand to see her jewelry. Or, challenge her to thumb wrestle.

You just have to get her comfortable with touch by making it a smooth progression rather than lunging into the end zone.

Kiss:
if you're sitting down, play with her hair (twirl it around your finger). Look her in the eyes. If she pauses and keeps looking at you, gently pull her in. Go in about 90% let her come to you the remaining 10%.

If you're walking and talking, find something she says that gives you a reason to express mock outrage. Stop, stand face to face, lock eye contact, moment of silence, got can say something like "you're ridiculous", kiss her.

Read this:
https://m.reddit.com/r/seduction/comment...mphasized/

Escalation:
Remember this: you can escalate physically as long as you deny it verbally. So, let your hand wander, but be the first one to say "you're so bad, you're driving me crazy...". Stop before she stops you...one step back, two steps forward.

And remember, always get enthusiastic, positive consent. Consent is sexy. I am not a lawyer.

Post: #5

The only thing to fear about escalating is the fear of escalating itself.

I read OP's post to mean he has trouble going for the kiss at all, so I laid out an easy step-by-step path to the kiss when you're already fairly certain the girl has interest in you (I also read the post to mean OP has no problem with attraction). If it's going past the kiss that's bothersome, please clarify where you're stuck.

Here's a simple formula of action that requires the minimum amount of boldness to work. If it doesn't work then your fundamental problem is balls, and the only way to fix that is trying and trying until you finally break through.

1.) Go on a date, and bring the date back to your house for a movie (or anywhere else you two can just talk)
2.) Get your face close to her face when you talk to her
3.) Take a more flirty tone and look into her eyes
4.) Cue for the kiss with your eyes, looking down at her lips then back to her eyes
5.) The second she does the same, you can rest easy knowing you just got invited to go for the kiss
6.) Put one hand on her cheek and hold her face as you go for the kiss. If you get as far as the hand on face and she doesn't say anything, you can rest doubly assured you can go for it
7.) If you panic at #5, go for a neck kiss instead of a mouth kiss, then move up to the mouth kiss immediately after (more gradual build for you)

This process is meant to assure yourself that you are allowed to kiss her, since most of the fear comes from risking a rejection. When you give yourself little affirmations to escalate, the fear slowly goes away.

Once you get the make-out, it's a lot easier to put hands on ass, hands on tits, hands anywhere. Then it's natural.

This is the missionary of escalation. It's very simple, very safe, and can be done anywhere private (doubly effective in a bed, of course).

Try it and let me know how it goes.

Post: #6

I used to have the same problem..

The answer for me was "SOFT STROKING"..

(09-15-2014 12:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  First, touch her playfully in a non sexual way.

Grab her arm to get her attention. Touch your leg against hers and pretend its an accident. Better yet, put your leg close to her's so it will seem like she touched you first. Gently, touch her shoulder or forearm when you guys are laughing together. Playfully, tap or "slap" her on the leg when she disagrees with you. Grab her arm and give it a gentle squeeze when you agree on something.. These are just basic examples of playful non sexual touching.

The next step for me is "SOFT STROKING".

(Gently and lightly running my fingers over her skin)

I often start with her hands, rubbing them and caressing them.

I "soft stoke" her wrists, forearms, upper arms and shoulders, taking my time before moving higher. I caress her collarbone and neckline, rub her back and run my hand across the back of her neck...

Finally, I put my nose on her ear and my face next to hers.. I run my lips over her neck and hair line..

Then, I go for the make out..

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Post: #7

I find that I'm often a bit of a "slow escalator", but on all my dates I do eventually get to it. Women in their late 20s and early 30s can be a little more cagey than these young sluts, they have a reputation to keep up and all that.

Take the last bang I got, for example. I waited about 45 minutes to start moving forward, just long enough enough to build a little bit of comfort and get the vibe of what this girl was about; see if she was really feeling it. We were sitting on a park bench having some froyo, it was a nice warm day, and she was laughing at my jokes and had her body angled towards me, sitting pretty close. Relaxed, open body language. Good signs.

She asked me some question about my past relationships, I looked in her eyes and I said something like (in a joking, overly-formal way): "Well, my dear...that IS a complex question" and I took her hand in mine. She laughed and didn't pull away at all. Great. A few minutes later I put my arm around her shoulder and starting gently stroking her upper arm and neck. She pulled closer to me. Excellent. A little bit later during a pause in the conversation I went for the makeout, and she was into it as expected. Cool.

About 10 minutes after that I said "Hey, I think I have some drink stuff left over from the 4th in my car. Is there a beach or something around here where we can have a few without anyone noticing?" She thought this was a fine idea and we bounced. On the way to the car we started talking about movies, and I mentioned I hadn't seen a few of her favorites. She said something like "Oh, I've got a big collection at home." I said "Ah, is that some sort of invitation?" She smiled and said "Well...."

And that's how it went. Remember that you really don't need to have particularly good logistics to bang girls; I live in the boonies at the moment and certainly don't. If a girl is down, you guys will find a way to make it happen. I've found pulling girls who are down to their own apartments is nearly as easy as pulling them to one's own place, and with some girls it actually seems to make them more comfortable and might even work to one's advantage - essentially saying "let's go fuck at your place" certainly gives the impression of a bold move on your part (even if she was planning on it anyway.) Though of course it can be a bit of a gamble as you have no idea if maybe she has a roommate who's home or if shit is even set up properly. But you have to work with what you have.

Conversely, there have been dates where the girl is superficially friendly, but isn't displaying particularly "date like" body language off the bat. Hmm, not so good. I'll give her a little time. If she's still sitting around after 30-45 minutes and hasn't left on her own accord, but still seems wishy-washy, I'll go for the gentle hand-touching thing anyway. The last woman I met up with who was 40+ was really pleasant and friendly on the date, but when I went for even the most minimal touching she immediately drew back. Bad sign, and if I see that happen after nearly 45 minutes of hanging out where the conversation was otherwise good, I begin planning my exit.

I gave her a further 20 minutes and a drink to change her mind, and tried again. Same result. I've invested an hour at that point and I see no reason to keep throwing good time and money after bad. Time to pack it in.

Another girl a few months ago everything was going fine up to the point that I went for the makeout in my car. She'd kiss, but absolutely refused to make it an open-mouth kiss. Unfortunately, even though I'd invested a decent amount of time, effort (including a pre-meet phone call), and miles on my car meeting her, I knew immediately that I'd never hear from her again. Sucks, but those are the breaks.

Post: #8

Some really great suggestions above. Some other ways to escalate the touching or go for the kiss:

* The digit ratio routine in which you explain the science of the ratio between the 2nd and 4th fingers and how that affects women's personalities. Touch her hands a lot to examine her fingers when you explain this routine. After that routine, it's easier to touch her as the conversation continues because you've already broken the touching barrier.

* When walking, use Krauser's line: "See that red street sign (or whatever) up there? When we get there, I'm going to kiss you." Then make a big show of delaying things by retying your shoes, checking yourself in the store window glass, pretending to start a conversation with random, passing strangers, etc. When you get there, she'll be giggling waiting for you to kiss her.

* During the conversation, stop and stare at her face for a moment, then smile and say, "You've got a cute nose" then bop her lightly on the tip of her nose with your hand. She'll often get red in the face. Then do one of the kiss approaches or the soft stroking explained above.

* Tell her that you're going to the bathroom, and as you get up to go lean over and kiss her. In my experience, even if she turns her head, she'll be thinking about it while you're in the bathroom and will often let you know when you get back that she is welcoming of your physical attentions, such as by grabbing your hand.

* If you're really doing a good job of stimulating her emotions with your conversation, you'll notice that her face will get a subtle "glow" to it, probably caused by increased blood flow to her face as she physically reacts to her heightened emotional state. This blood flow may be the same thing that makes her lips get bigger and makes her eyes look wet. When you see that happen, you should start immediately increasing the kino using the techniques the members above mentioned.

Post: #9

One other thing I forgot to mention, I got this from Roosh's book and I always use it. When you venue change or otherwise walking with the girl after you've conversed for awhile, stick out your arm and motion for her to put her hand or arm in the crook of your arm as you walk. Sometimes they'll put their full arm, sometimes just their hand, but I've never had a girl refuse. That breaks the touch barrier right there and makes it easier to escalate once you've settled into the next place.

Post: #10

(08-22-2016 06:11 AM)Gyro Wrote:  I literally have everything else down: confidence, getting attention, taking care of my looks, a good body, nice clothes, etc.

I for some fucking reason can't get over that transitional hump between when a girl is showing obvious signs of attraction to touching/making out.

I was home-schooled in a weird white muslim family and I'm in college now. I've only fucked/kissed prostitutes; I'm scared of "making a move" because of arrested development.

I really want this bullshit to end man, it's so torturous. I've had so fucking many beautiful girls express interest in fucking, and I just freeze up and do nothing man.

I need some advice guys, please. My dad wants me to be a celibate and I have no other real life family male mentors. I was thinking of asking my little brother to help me, but he thinks I'm this hound that gets tons of pussy man, and it would just make everyone + him see me in a way worse lens.

This is hell guys.

If you are not trolling us [uncertain] then your problem is that your confidence is fake. Confidence can either be faked or can come from genuine self-esteem. Self-esteem comes from acting exactly with integrity in accordance with your values. If you have no values, then go out and open your OWN eyes, observe the world, think about what you see and decide what must be done. If you continue choosing to use whores your life is going to be fucked. So stop at all costs no matter how long it takes in dry spells. Find some value in yourself, communicate that to a woman then go in for a kiss. Get a kiss you "paid for" by your value as a man not by currency.

Post: #11

Nevermind my reply. 100% troll

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