Post: #26

(08-10-2016 02:35 PM)weener Wrote:  A newcomer to Ukraine will often remark upon the huge difference in appearance between the men and women, but trust me, Ukrainian guys who have a modicum of game, looks, money will do better than 95% of foreigners

I'm not disagreeing, but what percentage of Ukrainian men have all of those three things?

Post: #27

(08-11-2016 01:43 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 02:35 PM)weener Wrote:  A newcomer to Ukraine will often remark upon the huge difference in appearance between the men and women, but trust me, Ukrainian guys who have a modicum of game, looks, money will do better than 95% of foreigners

I'm not disagreeing, but what percentage of Ukrainian men have all of those three things?

You must differentiate between Kiev and the other cities like Kharkov, Lviv or Dnipro.

I would say in Kiev maybe 3% bring all three features while outside Kiev 0.5% of the male population has this.

But the huge difference must be seen in the fact that these 3% in Kiev would date Ukrainian 9s and 10s while a foreigner with all these 3 features would date an 8 in a best case scenario but more likely he will end up with a 7 which is not bad at all but far off what locals with these 3 features would get. By dating I am talking about a serious long term relationship and not a short fling.

And by the way these three features need to be in different order:

1. money and most important willing to spend it on a girl
2. game
3. looks

Post: #28

(08-11-2016 01:43 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 02:35 PM)weener Wrote:  A newcomer to Ukraine will often remark upon the huge difference in appearance between the men and women, but trust me, Ukrainian guys who have a modicum of game, looks, money will do better than 95% of foreigners

I'm not disagreeing, but what percentage of Ukrainian men have all of those three things?

Many foreigners will get the impression that almost all Ukrainians are poor an desperate, not true. Only when you get to the country do you realise there is a lot of money floating around, the streets of Kiev are littered with top of the range cars, restaurants are full

They don't even need to have a lot of money, there is the "fake it till you make it" trick that Ukrainians do well at. He will string the young model along until which point she realises that he has no steady income, by which point she has already been impregnated and she cannot leave him.

I cannot answer your question with regard to percentages, impossible to determine

Post: #29

(08-11-2016 02:15 PM)weener Wrote:  Many foreigners will get the impression that almost all Ukrainians are poor an desperate, not true. Only when you get to the country do you realise there is a lot of money floating around, the streets of Kiev are littered with top of the range cars, restaurants are full

Right. I see more Porsche Cayenne, Audi Q7, ect in an afternoon in Kiev than I see in one week in Paris.

And good and high-end restaurants ? ...yes, they are most often full.

Post: #30

(08-11-2016 02:19 PM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 02:15 PM)weener Wrote:  Many foreigners will get the impression that almost all Ukrainians are poor an desperate, not true. Only when you get to the country do you realise there is a lot of money floating around, the streets of Kiev are littered with top of the range cars, restaurants are full

Right. I see more Porsche Cayenne, Audi Q7, ect in an afternoon in Kiev than I see in one week in Paris.

And good and high-end restaurants ? ...yes, they are most often full.

Yes there are loads! you can see more in 5 minutes than in Paris i'm sure

Post: #31

(08-09-2016 04:33 PM)the6ix Wrote:  28 years old and American, living in Toronto, where according to this site the girls are awful, although I actively and strongly dispute that. I'm pretty good looking but nothing too special, 5'10'', 165.

I'm with you on this one.

Solid datasheet!

Post: #32

(08-11-2016 02:19 PM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 02:15 PM)weener Wrote:  Many foreigners will get the impression that almost all Ukrainians are poor an desperate, not true. Only when you get to the country do you realise there is a lot of money floating around, the streets of Kiev are littered with top of the range cars, restaurants are full

Right. I see more Porsche Cayenne, Audi Q7, ect in an afternoon in Kiev than I see in one week in Paris.

And good and high-end restaurants ? ...yes, they are most often full.

Peak at their bank accounts, and you'll see a different story.

Post: #33

^^^ russkoe mentalitet)))
Live for the day, tomorrow we will see))

I am getting more easternized by each passig day))

SLAVA SLAVIANI!!!

Post: #34

What's with the brackets? "))?"

I've received it over whatsapp, too.

Post: #35

It's a smiley face.

Post: #36

(08-11-2016 05:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^^ russkoe mentalitet)))
Live for the day, tomorrow we will see))

I am getting more easternized by each passig day))

SLAVA SLAVIANI!!!

Yes I love this attitude too. I especially noticed that attitude during a recent trip to Kharkov. People there party like there is no tomorrow. I really loved it.

And I also appreciate the fact that Russians and Ukrainians are not shy to show their wealth and through money around. If you drive a Ferrari or a Lambo in the west people would have almost apologize for having it.

Post: #37

(08-12-2016 07:12 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 05:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^^ russkoe mentalitet)))
Live for the day, tomorrow we will see))

I am getting more easternized by each passig day))

SLAVA SLAVIANI!!!

Yes I love this attitude too. I especially noticed that attitude during a recent trip to Kharkov. People there party like there is no tomorrow. I really loved it.

And I also appreciate the fact that Russians and Ukrainians are not shy to show their wealth and through money around. If you drive a Ferrari or a Lambo in the west people would have almost apologize for having it.

Yes Ukrainians have a live for the day attitude which I rather like. In the West people are increasingly being indoctrinated into thinking that wealth, owning your own business etc is the root of all evil.

Nothing wrong with showing what you've got, as long as you don't shove it in people's faces....

Post: #38

Awesome datasheet, question, do they speak Russian? or most of them just speak Ukrainian? what is the percentage of Russian speaking?

Post: #39

They all speak both, but Russian will be the primary language most of the time in Kiev

Post: #40

(08-31-2016 01:52 PM)Schvoss Wrote:  Awesome datasheet, question, do they speak Russian? or most of them just speak Ukrainian? what is the percentage of Russian speaking?

I think it's something like 60 percent, but I'm not entirely sure on that. I've spoken Russian a few times where they've asked me to speak Ukrainian.

Post: #41

high energy sheet

@the6ix, plan on returning in future?

Post: #42

Just returned from Kiev, not enough time to complete my research.

Anybody there now who goes out to nightclubs? I have a list of places I didn't have time to visit which needs verification.

Post: #43

Hit up a few places yesterday was a lot of four members in town. Arena city was not really busy. Went to sorry Babushka but didn't even bother going in as I did a walk-through and was empty.

Lots of crowd at Caribbean club but lots of pros as well.

Post: #44

Have seen the pics of skybar on facebook.

If these are the prettiest girls of kiew than i will do not go there.

Many of these girls do look cold (not sympatic) and the faces are strange and nothing special. Bodies ar good.

Post: #45

Guys, I have some bad news for you. Kiev is dead.

I mean hey, come on. I been in Moscow since 2005, and in Ukraine since 2008. When I was in Kiev last time in 2012, it was full of 9s and 10s. Right now, I walk thru the streets, all I see is fucking 5s !!!

I don't know what the hell has happened. I was here in July, and thought okay, everybody on vacation or on the datcha and grandma's.

But now I'm back in September, and what can I see: the quality on the street is a freaking DISASTER. In one hour in a german City I see more 9-10 than here in ... 3 days. In fact I haven't even seen a 8 yet !!

So you have to put up with all this eastern europe SHIT (boring "yes" "no" "maybe" dialogues, constant bad mood, smiling is a crime, I am pretty I don't have to be smart, I never fuck on the first date, KGB interogation upfront, if you love me you have to buy me these shoes), and you don't even receive model quality in return !

WTF !!!???

And one ore thing: THEY ARE GETTING FAT !!!

I don't if it's McDonalds or what it is. My Ukrainian ex was a skinny Dolphin just like I - we all - like 'em (she got fat like her mother only after she married this russian alcoholic), because they only had bread and the tomatoes and roots from the Datcha to eat.

But times, they are changin'.

Maybe the HB are all moving to Moscow, or to the West. I know a couple. Ukraine is still dirt poor, and it's not that hard to get a visa any more, especially after Maidan.

The HB go to where the money is, we all know that. It is true for my city, where the HB all hang with the rich, in the rich clubs, in the rich neighbourhoods, and its true even more for Ukraine, where your mother told you all your childhood to follow the money. So either they go to the West or they go to Russia, or they go for the Oligarchs.

I mean, it's so easy. Just post your selfies on Instagram or FB, and within a few weeks you will meet your arab / italian / german / Oligarch son sponsor who flies you out of the dirt.

THE INTERNET RUINED POOSY PARADISE, let's face it.

Forget about Ukraine.

Post: #46

So many contrasting reports.......

Post: #47

(09-13-2016 11:31 AM)freeloader Wrote:  Guys, I have some bad news for you. Kiev is dead.

I mean hey, come on. I been in Moscow since 2005, and in Ukraine since 2008. When I was in Kiev last time in 2012, it was full of 9s and 10s. Right now, I walk thru the streets, all I see is fucking 5s !!!

What exact area were you at, when you say "streets"? What time of day and week was it? Are you saying they were 5s by your standards, or by say western standards? I was there as recently as a week ago, and I did not see many 5s at all, except at a few hipster like places like "Honey", a quirky restaurant north of Maidan.

Some specific examples to the contrary:

The Obalon riverwalk is ideal for day game, it is both relaxed and protected from the main street, and target rich, and has restaurants and bars within a few steps for insta-dates, even one of those "top golf" driving ranges to go. Go during the right times, especially after work or weekends, for best chances, otherwise there are too many mothers with children. As always, everything is dirt cheap for a western tourist. It's hard to imagine someone in good faith following Roosh's advice for self-improvement and game, running daygame in Obalon, and failing to be successful with high quality companionship.

Another gem, the underground supermarkets below Gulliver and Area City/Mandarin plaza, both have quality girls there, much more likely to be single than in the west, and are easy to open with a single phrase of что это?, and then switch into English as most speak enough to hold a basic conversation.

It is true, that I noticed fatties and freaks, but only because they were rare enough to stand out as abnormalities, as opposed to the west where the non-fat and fugly women are the stand-outs. The freaks were less than 1% of the total numbers on the street.

Quote:So you have to put up with all this eastern europe SHIT (boring "yes" "no" "maybe" dialogues, constant bad mood, smiling is a crime, I am pretty I don't have to be smart, I never fuck on the first date, KGB interogation upfront, if you love me you have to buy me these shoes), and you don't even receive model quality in return !

I didn't see that and hope for some photos you can take of the hordes of 5's with scowls on their faces, who dare to refuse to immediately put out for a foreigner.

Quote:And one ore thing: THEY ARE GETTING FAT !!!

I don't if it's McDonalds or what it is. My Ukrainian ex was a skinny Dolphin just like I - we all - like 'em (she got fat like her mother only after she married this russian alcoholic), because they only had bread and the tomatoes and roots from the Datcha to eat.

I didn't see more than two McDonalds my entire stay, counting the other cities as well, including Lviv. Foreign food like that is not that popular, the Ukranians like their own cuisine. I also would like know how marrying a foreign Alcoholic makes one fat, or how Tomatoes, an originally Mexican fruit, normally grown only in the late summer in mediterrean climates, is harvested in such numbers in rural Ukraine, a more northern and continental climate, presumably year-round, as to make someone fat. Fat on roots as well? Onions or parsnips? Details please, or perhaps if possible, the recipes they use for rutabagas.

Quote:Maybe the HB are all moving to Moscow, or to the West. I know a couple. Ukraine is still dirt poor, and it's not that hard to get a visa any more, especially after Maidan.

Why would the typical Ukrainian girl move to Russia, much less Moscow? Why do you think hot girls with miminal assets (if they are single, that will be the case) would easily get work or even tourist visas for the west? Why isn't the west crawling with a million recently-arrived Olgas and Natashas in form-fitting dresses and heels? Any stats you can cite? They don't like Russia much in general and Moscow has a particularly bad reputation as big dangerous city ruled by the arch-enemy, Putin.

Quote:I mean, it's so easy. Just post your selfies on Instagram or FB, and within a few weeks you will meet your arab / italian / german / Oligarch son sponsor who flies you out of the dirt.

THE INTERNET RUINED POOSY PARADISE, let's face it.

Forget about Ukraine.

Please provide more proof that the supply of eligible Ukrainian girls has been outstripped by the hordes of foreign dudes; if you consider the actual numbers, the sheer number of the former, and the limited number of the latter (when accounting for the need of money, courage, game, looks, to travel), I don't yet believe you. You can't download a hot girl (in 3d) from the internet; you have to go in person, and that takes guts and money. The number of internationals who actually appear in person in Kiev, and have the minimum amount of that combination of looks/money/game required to be successful anywhere, is negligible compared to the size of the country and city.

Post: #48

Quote:I didn't see more than two McDonalds my entire stay, counting the other cities as well, including Lviv. Foreign food like that is not that popular, the Ukranians like their own cuisine. I also would like know how marrying a foreign Alcoholic makes one fat, or how Tomatoes, an originally Mexican fruit, normally grown only in the late summer in mediterrean climates, is harvested in such numbers in rural Ukraine, a more northern and continental climate, presumably year-round, as to make someone fat. Fat on roots as well? Onions or parsnips? Details please, or perhaps if possible, the recipes they use for rutabagas.

You really do talk a lot of nonsense

Try and tell a girl in Kiev that Sushi is not popular in Ukraine

Post: #49

(09-14-2016 02:01 PM)weener Wrote:  

Quote:I didn't see more than two McDonalds my entire stay, counting the other cities as well, including Lviv. Foreign food like that is not that popular, the Ukranians like their own cuisine. I also would like know how marrying a foreign Alcoholic makes one fat, or how Tomatoes, an originally Mexican fruit, normally grown only in the late summer in mediterrean climates, is harvested in such numbers in rural Ukraine, a more northern and continental climate, presumably year-round, as to make someone fat. Fat on roots as well? Onions or parsnips? Details please, or perhaps if possible, the recipes they use for rutabagas.

You really do talk a lot of nonsense

Try and tell a girl in Kiev that Sushi is not popular in Ukraine

Your really do talk both rudely and nonsensically off the subject, with a straw man fallacy; notice I wrote, "Foreign food like that", in the context of fast food, i.e. the McDonald's referred to above in multiple posts. Obviously this has nothing to do with Sushi, which isn't particularly fattening in any case. But either you didn't read the discussion, or were incapable of comprehending it, and decided to mouth off an irrelevancy.

And of course, you ignored the substance of everything else I raised.

Looks like the IQ level of this thread has dipped below the mean; time to let the "don't visit Ukraine, it's all fatties and turks!" trolls talk to themselves now.

Post: #50

I leave for Kiev tomorrow morning. Already have a pretty mid twenties girl waiting at the airport. Plus, dates lined up for all weekend. Have a feeling this is gonna be a balls deep epic trip. Wish me luck and I'll keep the guys posted on my shenanigans.