Post: #26

(08-08-2016 11:16 AM)seniol Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:55 AM)Beijong Wrote:  When someone likes them at the club, that person usually pays them alot;

you can tell girls like this because they're mostly dead inside

They all - and I mean all - have severe issues with their father or no father.

It's a level of misery that I am not willing to ever go: to ever pay for women which had hundreds of different random dicks ejaculating inside them... thanks but no thanks

I'm not talking about pros titutes, so I don't know where you think they get all these diks

And what I'm sayin is that the average club goer who likes them drops big bucks on them for dances - so over time they adapt the same way of showing affection: showering someone in money. It's not unusual for a strypper to by the guy in her life new pants or shoes or boots or clothes or a tea kettle or food. I've gotten a lot of gifts from them, and I've never dropped a dollar on them for a dance or anything - again its a different kind of game.

I'm with you on not going for prosti's though but I wasn't talking about them in the first place

Post: #27

(08-08-2016 05:38 AM)seniol Wrote:  To wife up is a very beta weak supplication move, but to wife up a stripper or a prostitute that's a level of cringe is that hard to even imagine someone is capable of.

I get the sense you're very new to a lot of the "manosphere," so I'll try to be constructive. Your remark bespeaks a lack of real world experience. I know that Heartiste et al. paint a very negative view of the world/women/etc., but reality is, in my experience, rather different.

Some of the most "alpha" (the alpha-beta thing is very simplistic, in my opinion) men I know are married.

Believe me, I've been where you are. It's not a happy or healthy place. Only experience will teach you the lessons you need to learn. The faster you disencumber yourself of much of the Roissy/Heartiste framework, the more you're going to enjoy yourself.

Post: #28

I am in a very happy longterm relationship with a girl who was a virgin before me, she is pretty and very feminine. There is absolutely no need for the gov. to control your life and your finances, through the documented signed papers of marriage, so you stand to lose anytime half of your wealth, your children and your house

Post: #29

(08-09-2016 09:16 AM)seniol Wrote:  I am in a very happy longterm relationship with a girl who was a virgin before me, she is pretty and very feminine. There is absolutely no need for the gov. to control your life and your finances, through the documented signed papers of marriage, so you stand to lose anytime half of your wealth, your children and your house

You're preaching to the choir here bud.

Post: #30

There are a minority of users here also, probably over 50 years old - my random guess, who are married and they are between those 10-20% happy marriages - well they were lucky, though they are only a minority

Post: #31

Can there actually be some tax advantages for not getting married (but having kids)? It wouldn't surprise me, this gov't is so stupid/unhealthy.

Post: #32

Just as I've seen women fuck over men in divorce rapes, I have more than a few guys who I've mentored under that went through hard times with their wife sticking right by them through thick and thin with crippling debt.

Women aren't so simple that we can paint the broad stroke that marriage is evil and that women are Satan incarnate. It's why I still hold true the mantra that us men will never ever be able to understand women nor should we try too.

OP you clearly are lacking in life experience if you're using such broad terms right here. There is no mathematical consistency or logical proof that will ever predict a woman's actions, or even at that a man's actions.

Post: #33

(08-07-2016 12:39 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  I'd add that an unemployed man can get a job; a barren woman is barren forever.

As Churchill said, "I'll be sober in the morning, madam, but you will still be ugly."

But wait! They can always adopt a Haitian or African baby for virtue-signaling purposes. And then there are all their "fur babies."

So, you see, in their minds they're not barren. This is the new fertility.

And then they wonder why men don't want to work anymore. The phrase "fur babies" alone is reason enough to drop out of society.

Post: #34

(08-10-2016 04:45 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 12:39 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  I'd add that an unemployed man can get a job; a barren woman is barren forever.

As Churchill said, "I'll be sober in the morning, madam, but you will still be ugly."

But wait! They can always adopt a Haitian or African baby for virtue-signaling purposes. And then there are all their "fur babies."

So, you see, in their minds they're not barren. This is the new fertility.

And then they wonder why men don't want to work anymore. The phrase "fur babies" alone is reason enough to drop out of society.

Ugh, this is why I'm ultra-tempted to carry a box of raisins, eat it in front of them, and hand them over the emptied box.

Guess what that box of raisins represent? Yup, their ovaries.

Post: #35

(08-11-2016 12:22 AM)Tim in real life Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:45 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 12:39 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  I'd add that an unemployed man can get a job; a barren woman is barren forever.

As Churchill said, "I'll be sober in the morning, madam, but you will still be ugly."

But wait! They can always adopt a Haitian or African baby for virtue-signaling purposes. And then there are all their "fur babies."

So, you see, in their minds they're not barren. This is the new fertility.

And then they wonder why men don't want to work anymore. The phrase "fur babies" alone is reason enough to drop out of society.

Ugh, this is why I'm ultra-tempted to carry a box of raisins, eat it in front of them, and hand them over the emptied box.

Guess what that box of raisins represent? Yup, their ovaries.

It will be funny if you actually write on the box "Your ovaries"

Post: #36

(08-09-2016 10:51 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:16 AM)seniol Wrote:  I am in a very happy longterm relationship with a girl who was a virgin before me, she is pretty and very feminine. There is absolutely no need for the gov. to control your life and your finances, through the documented signed papers of marriage, so you stand to lose anytime half of your wealth, your children and your house

You're preaching to the choir here bud.

It's not always that simple-- if you have a nice doting girl from a third world country and you want to travel some nicer places with her sometimes marrying her is the only practical way to do it. Maximal control over a girl is not my primary relationship goal.

Post: #37

(08-10-2016 03:15 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Just as I've seen women fuck over men in divorce rapes, I have more than a few guys who I've mentored under that went through hard times with their wife sticking right by them through thick and thin with crippling debt.

Women aren't so simple that we can paint the broad stroke that marriage is evil and that women are Satan incarnate. It's why I still hold true the mantra that us men will never ever be able to understand women nor should we try too.

OP you clearly are lacking in life experience if you're using such broad terms right here. There is no mathematical consistency or logical proof that will ever predict a woman's actions, or even at that a man's actions.

In the US, marriage IS evil in certain states given individual state laws that incentivizes non-desirable and destructive behavior. Any man (or person for that matter) that attempts a marriage and ends up being the higher earner of the two is putting themselves at enormous financial risk in certain states.

A few examples:

1. Some states have no caps on child support. Some cap at like 13,000/year max (Nevada). In states with no caps, women will sell abortions to rich men they've trapped. Pay them 150k now or you will pay 1 million+ over 18 years. They will also obviously fight tooth and nail for full custody to get max pay out.

1a. In some states, child support is paid out as a percentage of each persons incomes and time with children. In some other states, it's paid out entirely by non-custody parent.

2. Division of property, what is consider marital property, and pre-nup/post-nup recognition/enforcement varies from state to state.

3. Some states assume joint custody with children. Some automatically give the non-breadwinner custody. Some assume the woman regardless of situation should get full custody.

I'm of the strong opinion that one of the most important aspects to consider when settling down with a woman is what degree of real leverage you can maintain over your partner. Women already have enormous cultural and legal advantages in the US by and large so us current/future providers need every little bit of help we can get.

In certain states, the marriage/child support laws are beyond the pale and are straight up evil if you are looking to be the provider in the relationship (ex: Massachusetts). In other states, they are actually somewhat in the realm of being reasonable (ex: Texas).

For me at least, I've written off certain states for work and having a family solely because of the marriage/child support laws. The risk and lack of leverage is simply too high. I also believe the less incentives a woman has to blow up a marriage, the higher the odds of a marriage staying intact regardless of the woman or game. Women are impulsive, selfish, and emotional and many will cave in a time of weakness or struggle if they have an easily accessible lucrative exit option.

The point is that if anyone here decides to get married in the US, make sure you have a VERY thorough understanding of your states marriage and child support laws.

The following is a FANTASTIC source of info for each US state (and some overseas locations). EVERY man on this forum should check this site out and read up; if only to get a sense in detail how shit really works. I can't recommend it enough; it was a total game-changer for me:

http://www.realworlddivorce.com/

Post: #38

(08-02-2016 06:27 AM)Mage Wrote:  Not if the man is an abusive alcoholic with dreams of a never starting writer's career.

In this case the woman will pay his bills, wash his underwear and suck his dick for at least 5 years while he plays computer games and cheats on her while she is at work.

I think you hit the nail on a head.

Women are actually less attracted to a guy's resources, than a guy's passion.

Resources like money can be a sign that a man is passionate and a high-achiever, and vice versa (a lack of resources can be a sign that a man is an underachiever or deadbeat) - but they don't always directly correlate - the risk-taking entrepreneur or 'starving artist' who busts his butt at his passion but doesn't succeed due to bad luck is more passionate than the typical boring wage slave who has a stable but meaningless "career" and who the only highlight of his life is watching Scrubs reruns during his days off.

Ultimately if a guy is passionate or has a 'mission' about something (or can at least [i]fool[i] women into thinking that he is), women will always be more attracted to him than a guy who isn't.

A woman might 'settle' for the boring schmuck if she can't find a man who is both passionate and stable, but ultimately guys like this are about as exciting to women as a trip to the welfare office, and could just as easily be replaced by a welfare check since the only thing they provide is boring resources, versus masculine energy.

Post: #39

An alpha male rarely will settle down for a growingly fat, complaining wife

Post: #40

(08-13-2016 05:12 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  snip

Of course nobody said to be a complete idiot should you choose to settle down or even to settle down stateside. That's completely up to them. I was talking more generally as institutions or women as beings.

(08-14-2016 02:19 PM)seniol Wrote:  An alpha male rarely will settle down for a growingly fat, complaining wife

You would be surprised by how many "alpha males" do actually settle down with a growingly fat, complaining wife.

Not everyone is James Bond or privy to the mindset that is offered and prevalent on this forum.

Unless of course you're at least a multi-millionaire. That's a different ball game.

Post: #41

(08-14-2016 02:25 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Not everyone is James Bond or privy to the mindset that is offered and prevalent on this forum.

James Bond ?

Post: #42

(08-13-2016 05:12 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:15 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Just as I've seen women fuck over men in divorce rapes, I have more than a few guys who I've mentored under that went through hard times with their wife sticking right by them through thick and thin with crippling debt.

Women aren't so simple that we can paint the broad stroke that marriage is evil and that women are Satan incarnate. It's why I still hold true the mantra that us men will never ever be able to understand women nor should we try too.

OP you clearly are lacking in life experience if you're using such broad terms right here. There is no mathematical consistency or logical proof that will ever predict a woman's actions, or even at that a man's actions.

In the US, marriage IS evil in certain states given individual state laws that incentivizes non-desirable and destructive behavior. Any man (or person for that matter) that attempts a marriage and ends up being the higher earner of the two is putting themselves at enormous financial risk in certain states.

A few examples:

1. Some states have no caps on child support. Some cap at like 13,000/year max (Nevada). In states with no caps, women will sell abortions to rich men they've trapped. Pay them 150k now or you will pay 1 million+ over 18 years. They will also obviously fight tooth and nail for full custody to get max pay out.

1a. In some states, child support is paid out as a percentage of each persons incomes and time with children. In some other states, it's paid out entirely by non-custody parent.

2. Division of property, what is consider marital property, and pre-nup/post-nup recognition/enforcement varies from state to state.

3. Some states assume joint custody with children. Some automatically give the non-breadwinner custody. Some assume the woman regardless of situation should get full custody.

I'm of the strong opinion that one of the most important aspects to consider when settling down with a woman is what degree of real leverage you can maintain over your partner. Women already have enormous cultural and legal advantages in the US by and large so us current/future providers need every little bit of help we can get.

In certain states, the marriage/child support laws are beyond the pale and are straight up evil if you are looking to be the provider in the relationship (ex: Massachusetts). In other states, they are actually somewhat in the realm of being reasonable (ex: Texas).

For me at least, I've written off certain states for work and having a family solely because of the marriage/child support laws. The risk and lack of leverage is simply too high. I also believe the less incentives a woman has to blow up a marriage, the higher the odds of a marriage staying intact regardless of the woman or game. Women are impulsive, selfish, and emotional and many will cave in a time of weakness or struggle if they have an easily accessible lucrative exit option.

The point is that if anyone here decides to get married in the US, make sure you have a VERY thorough understanding of your states marriage and child support laws.

The following is a FANTASTIC source of info for each US state (and some overseas locations). EVERY man on this forum should check this site out and read up; if only to get a sense in detail how shit really works. I can't recommend it enough; it was a total game-changer for me:

http://www.realworlddivorce.com/

Goddamn, reading that site made me realize that I got off super lucky in my divorce as my ex-wife was actually VERY reasonable and just asked for the dog and just some personal affects. Helps her family is incredibly loaded, but still props to her for not doing me dirty.

This particular passage from the Massachusetts page made my blood run cold:

"When a woman comes into my office and wants to cash out her marriage and children I tell her to slow down. Maybe she wants to start living with her boyfriend. Maybe she wants to start spending her husband's money without having to get his approval. I tell her 'A Massachusetts divorce is probably the most lucrative thing that you are going to do in your entire life. Slow down. Take a year to lay the foundation.' It used to be that the woman automatically got the kids, but if she has a full-time job she is at risk from some of the new judges of being stuck with 50/50 custody and, if her income is close to his, minimal child support.

The Guardian ad litem and the judge will look back only about a year so this is my client's chance to establish an expensive lifestyle for herself and the kids and a pattern of being the primary caregiver. I tell her to plan two or three 'once-in-a-lifetime' vacations for the family, get a new luxury car, go to expensive restaurants and theater twice a week, and start gold-plating the lives of the kids: designer clothes, private lessons for everything, a horse, whatever. She should encourage her husband to take a bunch of trips with his buddies or for work. If he's been doing a lot of stuff with the kids she should try to steer him toward maintaining the house, cars, and yard instead. She can cut back her working hours so that she is home before he is. Maybe switch to a job that pays less. She can also hire an au pair and have the au pair take over driving the kids to soccer or whatever the husband was doing before. It will add color to a case if the defendant is having an affair, so I recommend that my client find an au pair who is smokin' hot, who is towards the upper end of the age range [18-26], and who comes from country like Germany or Sweden where they take a more flexible view of marriage than the Latin Americans do.

If he's been banging a 22-year-old that is something that I can use in court to discredit his judgment and fitness to be a 50/50 parent. If the guy is getting on my client's nerves I tell her to swallow all of her irritation for a year so that he doesn't suspect what is coming, though truthfully it is rare for a man to suspect anything. Guys generally take commitments and the marriage contract more seriously than do women. Even if the marriage isn't all they'd hoped for, guys don't want to go back on their word. They imagine that the woman takes the commitment just as seriously. They also imagine that they are likable and that the woman married them for some reason other than their high income. Men are basically idiots. Anyway, we surprise the guy by serving a Complaint. Then my client goes into mega-bitch mode so as to establish 'high conflict', an additional reason for her to have sole custody. If it relates to the kids, whatever the father wants to do after being sued, she objects and obstructs. For my clients who have been willing to do the groundwork I have had a 100 percent success rate in getting them the kids, the house, and ongoing cash (call it alimony, child support, or whatever) to maintain their new high-end lifestyle at least until the youngest kid turns 23."

Post: #43

^

With shit like that going on I'm surprised there aren't a lot more divorce lawyers and ex-wives getting murdered in MA.

Post: #44

(08-17-2016 07:16 PM)weambulance Wrote:  ^

With shit like that going on I'm surprised there aren't a lot more divorce lawyers and ex-wives getting murdered in MA.

For real... I wouldn't go down the homicide route but I'd definitely think long and hard about either leaving the country forever or just living off of welfare and under the table jobs if I was taken to the cleaners like some of these guys. Unbelievable how the system has been so warped and corrupted.

Post: #45

Wish I had seen that website 6 years ago. My jurisdiction, "only one of the 17 judges is gender biased", lucky me to get that fucker. No question that he was.

Post: #46

Quote:For real... I wouldn't go down the homicide route but I'd definitely think long and hard about either leaving the country forever or just living off of welfare and under the table jobs if I was taken to the cleaners like some of these guys. Unbelievable how the system has been so warped and corrupted.

I have to point out that this reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of child support in the US. Once child support has been assessed based on imputed income, you will be put in jail if you do not pay that amount. The reason for a decrease in income does not matter. Going on welfare just means the state will know exactly how to find you to take you to a debtor's prison.

Read the book Taken Into Custody.

Post: #47

I'm glad you all are getting some mileage out of that website. MA is total no-go zone for me after reading it. I thought about moving to NY or NY as well at one point but after reading that site, fuck that. They have fucked up child support/divorce laws too.

Texas looks pretty legit though. Cap limits on child support and pre-nup/pre-marriage contracts are strongly enforced. God bless Texas.

Post: #48

(08-18-2016 12:01 AM)MidJack Wrote:  

Quote:For real... I wouldn't go down the homicide route but I'd definitely think long and hard about either leaving the country forever or just living off of welfare and under the table jobs if I was taken to the cleaners like some of these guys. Unbelievable how the system has been so warped and corrupted.

I have to point out that this reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of child support in the US. Once child support has been assessed based on imputed income, you will be put in jail if you do not pay that amount. The reason for a decrease in income does not matter. Going on welfare just means the state will know exactly how to find you to take you to a debtor's prison.

Read the book Taken Into Custody.

Shiet, I thought debtors prisons were abolished in the US. Guess that was naive of me to think that. Well then definitely just leaving the country and never coming back.

Post: #49

Quote:Guys generally take commitments and the marriage contract more seriously than do women. Even if the marriage isn't all they'd hoped for, guys don't want to go back on their word. They imagine that the woman takes the commitment just as seriously. They also imagine that they are likable and that the woman married them for some reason other than their high income. Men are basically idiots.

Taking the red pill helped me realize the difference between male and female commitment.

Commitment is a lifestyle choice for men. They can commit to career, hit the gym, self-improvement. Men can commit to awesome hobbies like fishing and take it to near professional levels in their spare time.

Women go through phases of commitment and shift for convenience.

Reminds me of an old parable: "It is said about breakfast that while the chicken is involved, the pig is truly committed" since chickens can just lay eggs, but pigs have to die for the bacon.

Post: #50

^You'd be surprised how committed women are to something that will get them what they need. A good example being chicks who are gym rats(not power lifters). They know staying in shape will help them across the board so they stay committed to it.


It's not so much female commitment as it is female desire that changes.