I appreciate the honesty. She is a sarcastic bitch so I included some in there. She enjoys this role play texting also. I know she's down to meet up..

Am I supposed to have standards here in the way this bitch carries on sometimes or just game her? Keep in mind she's a virgin and will stay one until marriage, her words not mine. I'm not rejecting her to be alpha. Sometimes I gotta cut the idea that women will take anything from "lesson punishment". Part of me dislikes the idea of chatting up the hoe as soon as she says "hi". It's that easy for her to spark things up again and part of me wants her to try harder. Wrong mindset?

Making it too complicated comrade. Just chat her up and try to set up plans. If she turns out to be a time waster and won't make plans with you then let her go.

You don't think it drives a girl crazy when you don't want her as easily as most? I mean, she'll meetup. We'll foreplay and have fun. But my thing is 2 months pass by and now she's trying to connect again.

What happens if I let this go? (disregard the drama/sarcasm). I don't want her framing in her mind she can have me with a single text. Then I'm not really building a foundation for her to behave submissive.

What happens if I don't? Me thinks she will keep biting, or not.

Thanks for the advice, too. Maybe I am complicating it. Hard for me to let shit go just to game.

(08-04-2016 05:01 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Making it too complicated comrade. Just chat her up and try to set up plans. If she turns out to be a time waster and won't make plans with you then let her go.

If you still want to smash, ask her out. If she plays games or is very adamant about staying a virgin until marriage (commendable), drop her.

Your whole text conversation was pretty cringeworthy. I'd recommend just letting whatever you feel she needs to apologize for go. I agree with her I'm not actually sure what you want her to apologize for.

For a girl you haven't talked to in two months to call out of the blue is very rare, especially when you haven't slept with her yet. She's interested and already thinks you are high value (she wouldn't have contacted you otherwise). You are definitely overthinking this. It won't set a bad precedent if you go out.

It's good that you are ensuring she knows she can't just walk all over you, but at this point you are overdoing it. Let it go.

That was boring and way too try hard man. You're better than that GrindHard.

Your first mistake:

She was calling at 3AM IN THE MORNING - you're still on her mind that late night mood, she's thinking sex and misses you.

Second mistake:

You CALLED HER back 20 minutes after she called you.

Nah man, let that sit boil for awhile.

You calling her back 20 minutes that 3:20AM makes you look like you're at her beck and call.


Third mistake:

Your whole text convo was way over the top try hard and oozes insecurity and anger.


It's going to be extremely hard to even recover from this.

I get it, you don't want to waste anymore time, but you're obviously still interested or you wouldn't bothered of hitting her up.

Only thing I can say is go silent on her.

If she restarts, engage with only meeting up, if she drops shit tests ignore them or counter being FUNNY:


"It must be hard for you to say you miss me"


I wake up everyday and tell myself the same thing.

Hey I'd miss me too.

Like a match misses gasoline.



"You must've been bored."


Nah I was just getting home from a late night.

That's why I'm texting you now duh.

I was out with a friend (hamsterization text)


"Maybe a facial would help me relax" Not once said but TWICE !

Seriously ? So many lines for her here




"The only apology I want to hear should come from your mouth"

Phrasing !

The only thing that's coming, is me, in your mouth.

Good thing I'm a good kisser.

I'd apologize, but middle finger can't speak.



"I haven't heard from you in 2 months and I don't listen to cheap chatter. Actions prove louder than words"

Funny tone:

Talk is cheap, actions don't prove anything if moves aren't made duh !

Serious tone/blowout/bitch in check:

Hey you blocked me on twitter and assumed things, not my problem, your actions spoke louder than words.

Yeah, I don't like wasting my time on people who assume things.

Then why bother calling me at 3AM ?

Talk is cheap and you didn't walk the walk.

You're right, that's why I haven't talked to you in 2 months.

ALWAYS FLIP THIS SHIT ON THE BITCH


Most of this shit could've been avoided without giving her a ring and hitting her up that afternoon, or just ignoring her.

If she calls you at 3AM, she'll text you later for sure.


This is a KISS scenario (Keep It Simple Stupid) - all the passive aggressive texting could've been avoided. Half her shit test texts wouldn't even be there.

If she wants to play games - send a her a text later that day "Hey got a miss call from this number, who is this?"

So much gold in here, thanks brother! I have to tone down the tough guy act. It's done me well but in this case I am shooting blanks.

(08-04-2016 05:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  That was boring and way too try hard man. You're better than that GrindHard.

Your first mistake:

She was calling at 3AM IN THE MORNING - you're still on her mind that late night mood, she's thinking sex and misses you.

Second mistake:

You CALLED HER back 20 minutes after she called you.

Nah man, let that sit boil for awhile.

You calling her back 20 minutes that 3:20AM makes you look like you're at her beck and call.


Third mistake:

Your whole text convo was way over the top try hard and oozes insecurity and anger.


It's going to be extremely hard to even recover from this.

I get it, you don't want to waste anymore time, but you're obviously still interested or you wouldn't bothered of hitting her up.

Only thing I can say is go silent on her.

If she restarts, engage with only meeting up, if she drops shit tests ignore them or counter being FUNNY:


"It must be hard for you to say you miss me"


I wake up everyday and tell myself the same thing.

Hey I'd miss me too.

Like a match misses gasoline.



"You must've been bored."


Nah I was just getting home from a late night.

That's why I'm texting you now duh.

I was out with a friend (hamsterization text)


"Maybe a facial would help me relax" Not once said but TWICE !

Seriously ? So many lines for her here




"The only apology I want to hear should come from your mouth"

Phrasing !

The only thing that's coming, is me, in your mouth.

Good thing I'm a good kisser.

I'd apologize, but middle finger can't speak.



"I haven't heard from you in 2 months and I don't listen to cheap chatter. Actions prove louder than words"

Funny tone:

Talk is cheap, actions don't prove anything if moves aren't made duh !

Serious tone/blowout/bitch in check:

Hey you blocked me on twitter and assumed things, not my problem, your actions spoke louder than words.

Yeah, I don't like wasting my time on people who assume things.

Then why bother calling me at 3AM ?

Talk is cheap and you didn't walk the walk.

You're right, that's why I haven't talked to you in 2 months.

ALWAYS FLIP THIS SHIT ON THE BITCH


Most of this shit could've been avoided without giving her a ring and hitting her up that afternoon, or just ignoring her.

If she calls you at 3AM, she'll text you later for sure.


This is a KISS scenario (Keep It Simple Stupid) - all the passive aggressive texting could've been avoided. Half her shit test texts wouldn't even be there.

If she wants to play games - send a her a text later that day "Hey got a miss call from this number, who is this?"

(08-04-2016 04:56 PM)Grindhard Wrote:  I appreciate the honesty. She is a sarcastic bitch so I included some in there. She enjoys this role play texting also. I know she's down to meet up..

Am I supposed to have standards here in the way this bitch carries on sometimes or just game her? Keep in mind she's a virgin and will stay one until marriage, her words not mine. I'm not rejecting her to be alpha. Sometimes I gotta cut the idea that women will take anything from "lesson punishment". Part of me dislikes the idea of chatting up the hoe as soon as she says "hi". It's that easy for her to spark things up again and part of me wants her to try harder. Wrong mindset?

People say all kinds of things. They might mean it in that moment but change a woman's state and anything can happen. Nobody likes to be angry or bitter, so when you are, or come across that way, you've given someone else control of your state and they know it and often enjoy it. If not, we wouldn't have online trolls. You're almost always better off being non-reactive in a situation which tells the other person that you control your state, not them. If you want to bang, have fun with the interaction and don't make things a big deal.

Keep it light
Keep it funny
Keep it cocky

Always strategize your texts
Always reread your texts
Always think about what you're sending and how it'll be received

I never jump into a serious convo via text unless she initiates it.

If she does, usually I'll tell her I'm busy and give her a ring about it later.

@kaotic I think the gray text boxes are his messages not hers. Don't know why you would keep telling her you want a facial though...

Had the shock of my life yesterday.

Started chatting to a girl in the park. Two minutes in, my phone goes off. It's distracting me, so I try to deactivate it in my pocket. I continue the pickup, go for number etc.

As I walk away, I take the phone out of my pocket. On the screen is a call to my LTR, with a duration of five minutes. Holy shit. She heard everything.

But when I call her back, it's a if nothing happened. Obviously she didn't hear, or maybe the phone was not really connected, whatever.

Fuck these smartphones man.

(08-04-2016 07:24 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  @kaotic I think the gray text boxes are his messages not hers. Don't know why you would keep telling her you want a facial though...

Looks like an iPhone iMessage - blue usually is you, grey is what you receive.

EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong, grey is actually him.

This changes the whole scenario alot, but my advice still applies if the girls responds with those texts.

Had a date with a young girl. She is shy and very inexperienced, told me she never really was with a guy before. At the date I escalated to kissing and we made out. Then I led her to my car where we proceeded to make out. Though when I put her hand on my dick she pulled it away. Here is the problem, I live like 30-40 mins away from her city and at the moment my logistics are very bad. (I live at my aunts for the next month) I don't feel like driving 30 mins just to have a date and make out with her. Plus she's not the best girl out there. Should I ghost on her or should I actually try to take her V card in my car? Really don't know how to proceed.

Went out for some night game with a buddy last night. I haven't been doing any night game in the last month or two. Opened some teacher girl and after 20 minutes of conversation she told me I'm a "white privileged male with money", only because I playfully suggested that I might be a good teacher. She really wanted to assert the fact that her career is not for everyone and it's the most difficult job in the world. I bow down to your powerful career, teacher! Lol. The conversation died after that, I can't chase rude women.

Ended the relationship I was having with my LTR about an hour ago, lasted just shy of 5 months.

In the last two months I experienced 2 pregnancy scares / her overactive thyroid kick in and her gain a stone / mood swings and general crazyness.

It ended on mutual terms, my schedule wouldn't allow me to give her as much of my time as she wanted & she was getting too fat and moany (of course I did not say that)

Overall it was a nice experience, she was a genuinely sweet Asian girl for most of it.

(08-06-2016 03:28 PM)UlteriorMotive Wrote:  Ended the relationship I was having with my LTR about an hour ago, lasted just shy of 5 months.

In the last two months I experienced 2 pregnancy scares / her overactive thyroid kick in and her gain a stone / mood swings and general crazyness.

It ended on mutual terms, my schedule wouldn't allow me to give her as much of my time as she wanted & she was getting too fat and moany (of course I did not say that)

Overall it was a nice experience, she was a genuinely sweet Asian girl for most of it.

Welcome back to community of free men. Find someone to bang ASAP so you don't accidentally go back to her when you get horny and your brain starts thinking whether she might just want casual sex.
Good luck

(08-06-2016 04:23 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

(08-06-2016 03:28 PM)UlteriorMotive Wrote:  Ended the relationship I was having with my LTR about an hour ago, lasted just shy of 5 months.

In the last two months I experienced 2 pregnancy scares / her overactive thyroid kick in and her gain a stone / mood swings and general crazyness.

It ended on mutual terms, my schedule wouldn't allow me to give her as much of my time as she wanted & she was getting too fat and moany (of course I did not say that)

Overall it was a nice experience, she was a genuinely sweet Asian girl for most of it.

Welcome back to community of free men. Find someone to bang ASAP so you don't accidentally go back to her when you get horny and your brain starts thinking whether she might just want casual sex.
Good luck

Thanks Vinny, I've reactivated my tinder account.

I wouldn't go back there even if I was horny, knowing my luck this time she would actually get pregnant and I'd really be in for it then.

Put a plate in check last night

I'm half asleep, sort of hinting to the trainer girl via text that I might pass out.

She gets to my pad fast, we go out for a few drinks.

Before I even sit down and have a beer at the bar, this older couple who comes into my shop says what's up.

We chat with them for a bit and order beers. This brunette Mexican was sitting with her friend across the bar and gave me the eyes. Pretty sure my date noticed

Basically throughout the night I had people come up to me and say hi.

2 buddies who wanted to shooting in the AM, even busted my balls asking how's the date going
this UPS guy who used to drop boxes off at the shop
a newly married husband I know
another dude whose married to this hot cougar

Then the hot cougar says hi to me with her hot blond cougar friend that I was running game on last week, she's the one who initiated that convo last night, I can tell I left an impression last time we talked, fucking her mind with deep shit about how we were raised and our love for music. She's recently divorced and moved into her own condo across the main street of the bar. I need to follow up on her.

Anyways, my buddy shows up with his hottie gf whose got 3 kids.

We grab some more beers, I notice my date is more and more quiet. She says "I'm fine" I know she's not but catch up with my buddy.

She leaves for about 15 minutes to the bathroom, comes back.

After awhile of chatting with my buddy, I call her out about pouting, she's checking uber in her phone.

I say fuck it, I close my tab, don't even finish half my beer, and bounce after saying bye to my friends.


I don't say a word walking out besides "let's go" because drama isn't dealt with at the bar.

I put her in the car, and don't say a word when we drive home.


She walks out of the car pouting, and I tell her I don't deal with this kind of shit, she needs to be real and speak her mind.

She asks if I know why she went to the bathroom so long, "I'm not stupid I know you were crying, I was hanging out with friends and leaning back so you could see the couple I know and talk to them."

Basically told her I don't deal with that BS, drama is kept private at home, not acted out in public.

She basically shut down, came in and hugged me, I slapped her ass, she moaned a bit, we got upstairs.

I fuck the shit out of her, then she asks if I want try anal (it's something I was talking about turning me on as a joke)

I put it in her ass - she cried lol, barely a few pumps, I pull out, make sure she's cool, then wash up.

We smash again, I finally bust a nut. She keeps telling me how wonderful I am.

We pass out, she leaves an hour later.


Text me later saying she made it home and apologized for tonight.

All I said was "I should've brought out the whip"

"I'm so embrassed, ya, I was frustrated but that hat my emotions came out like that. DEFINITELY deserve a good whipping hahaha"


TL;DR

Had a beer>girl isn't getting attention>pouts>hold frame>put her in check>sex>anal sex> thanks me and apologizes

There was no way in hell I was bending to her emotions, but it's also a tell of how deeply she's involved with me.


Fuck her mind.

@Kaotic: A good lesson in frame control, no doubt.

Gents, I never eat pussy and I don't like the idea of doing it at all (at least not with fuckbuddies or rotation girls).

So, one of the girls I am banging who I happen to like a lot, might want me to eat her out. What would be a good way of telling her I won't do it, when and if she asks for it? Suggestions?

Just do it.

Unless she smells or has unsightly beef curtains, there should be no reason for you not to enjoy it but your own sexual holdups.

Tell her to wax thoroughly and go to town.

Thanks Germánico!
The main issue could be the throat cancer cases such as Michael Douglas's. He admitted to love giving oral sex and got HPV from some gal, which then resulted in his cancer. I can't erase that from my mind.

I have this metal head chick from OKC on her way here as I type this. First meet driving straight to me house. She has short hair and I think it may be partially shaved *shutter* but she is pretty, thin, and seems easy as fuck, eager to hang out, sending me saucy pics, and her questions she answered on OKC are all the sexual ones. I see a +1 in my future boys, but this will be the first girl I ever fucked with who has a short/boy kind of hair cut.

She cold messaged me last night; didn't see it until this morning. Chatted a few back and forth, told her to text me, she suggested we get together and asked when I was free. Told her tonight works best. She obliged. Sent me an underwear pic and told me she shaves. What an angel. If I bang this one it will be the first notch I've gotten from a online-girl opening me. PR day.

^was like porn sex. She told me out loud how amazing dick feels inside her pussy and how well it "fills" her. I told her to look at my dick as it went in and out of her pussy. Was fun to eat too. She gave nice sloppy deepthroat head. I pulled my dick out of her to cum on her body and she told me to cover her in my cum. Then she went home.

I spent too much time building comfort and making chatter before hand. All in all good night and solid bang. Girl was maybe a 6 I'd give tonight's overall rating a 7.5/10 WBA

Took an 18 year olds virginity last night, interesting stuff, I'll write more about it in the Just Had Sex Thread.

Our first date went something like this:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-24128...pid1331911

I got the V card on our 3rd time hanging out.

I've seen some posts in recent threads of guys having a hard time getting girls to cook for them.

From personal experience, I've gotten most girls I've seen more than once to cook for me multiple times. Maybe half of those girls have cooked for me without me even asking.

Could be the vibe I put out? I guess its the type of girl one attracts/goes after. My rule of thumb is that if she doesn't cook for me the second or third meet then its time to next her. I can't deal with girls who can't cook.

Very cute 23 year old on a run opened me while I was sitting on a park bench. We chatted for almost an hour. She actually invited me back to her place to watch the olympics but I was distracted and missed it. Ended up pulling a rookie move and gave her my number rather than taking hers. Maybe she'll call but I'm doubtful. I think it was a combination of being thrown by being opened by someone that attractive and otherwise having my plate full.